₦airaland Forum

Horus:
This is good news. Why would I want to mix my seed with the white racist who is persecuting me?. You as as African should not be mixing your seed with other races because if we continue to do that we will mongrelize the races and miscegenize the races and we will not be who we really are.

I can give you a very good reason why "mixing' with so called races is good. In biological terms the more diversity you create in a species the better  off they are in terms of immunities and the more open they are to gene mutations that are beneficial to long term survival.

BlackLibya:
Morpheus I just do not see you as a pan-africanist. Either that or you are an African supremacist, and believes in absolute purity of the African bloodline before one can call themselves African or identify with Africans.

I don't believe there is any such thing as a pure bloodline. There are only social constructs.

let me put it in more simpler contexts. Data is Data. The evidence that is infered upon that data is subjective because it is subject to the whims of human error. Therefore the absolute validity of such information such as race or mixed ethnicity is always suspect depending on who is intepreting the data.

BlackLibya:
We as African-Americans and our Latin and Brazilian-American cousins(continental sense) do not always know what place we come from in Africa. Although chances are if you are Latin or Brazilian American then you might actually know exactly where, but anyway, it is us who attach the greatest meaning to pan-africanism.

DNA tests are extremely cheap these days, maybe you should go take one, find out where your ancestors originate from so you can pinpoint pretty much where on the continent you have heritage. its that easy

BlackLibya:
We want to celebrate the entire continent of our ancestors, because unlike many Africans living in the continent, we believe we are better than the white people. We do not aspire to be like them.

What makes you better than them may I ask or lets reverse that question what is it that makes white people "worse off" than AA

BlackLibya:
Of course I cannot be talking about all of us, but for those of us who choose to learn about Africa. This is why we do it and what we believe. As a 5th grader I asked my teacher why all of the African people in our history book were so ugly. This is what we deal with, you dont.

i once asked an AA to name 5 African empires he was aware of, he looked at me in bewilderment. I asked him about Greek mythology and he could name as many gods  and conquests of the greek as they come yet he proudly advocates the use of the term AFRICAN AMERICAN in allegiance to his heritage. isn't there something wroing with that picture.

PS AA history did not start on slave ships and it is insulting to both your intellect and your ancestors to continue to perpertuate that concept.

[quote author=A.D.M. link=topic=806428.msg9671654#msg9671654 date=1322754258]How was I being touchy? I was suggesting that maybe that's the reason blacks in Brazil identify as black. And for your information, I never said people who are mixed in 2011 AD are results of slavery. Don't put words in my mouth. You sit behind your computer trying to act like a big shot when you're not. My universe? I'm not God, so I don't make decisions on who identifies as what. I've read your comments and I saw no evidence other than a personal belief of what Halle Berry would be perceived as in an African country. Again, who the f--k cares? She calls herself black, so that's her choice, and there are plenty of mixed people that identify as multiracial like Tiger Woods. Did you know there were people who identified as multiracial in the 2010 U.S. census? I know because I was a Census enumerator.

How was I being angry? There are Africans who literally don't care about black Americans and think negatively of black Americans. Some are on this website. Do I care? No. I don't care what anybody thinks of me. It's not anger, it's pointing out bull$hit. If I cared, I'd be like k.o.n.y. And what's absolute truth to you, smart a$$? You're not a black American. Being curious is one thing, but making assumptions and conclusions about something you're not part of is kind of nonsensical. I'm not a Nigerian, but I do know some things about Nigeria. At the same time, I'm not gonna make assumptions or conclusions about Nigeria and Nigerian people when I'm not part of that society. By the way, you should learn how to use quotation marks properly.[/quote]The resounding comment that is coming from you signals that you pretty much "Don't Care" about much of anything at all.

Why the heck are you responding then?

red jasper:
It's only fair now that I speculate, what would cap28 gain from defending Gaddaffi?

He's impacting the knowledge of the great leaders of Africa that stood against the imperial military and economic Army of the West sent to devastate the "black" man and bring him to his knees in perpetual servitude

ALL HEIL HITL, ,     oh sorry I meant Cap28

cap28:
100% spot on mandingo

morpheus please take note

Great!. Two wanna be Malcolm X's who hide out in forums prophecing their cyber soldier status while in reality everything that smells about them is western. The taxes they pay, the clothes they wear, The food they eat, the language they speak.

Comon m.o.r.on.s Bring it on any day

[flash=400,200]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ME3DNkJ0c[/flash]

ALL THOSE ARE LIES!!!!

NONE OF THAT IS TRUE ABOUT ME!

Xcept of course the " He loves White woman part"

igbo2011:
@morpheus24
Christianity has kept Nigerians waiting for sky daddy to save everyone. Also praying all day without doing anything to solve problems. This is why churches are big business. Instead of building schools and hospitals just a bunch of churches. So Nigeria has politically (controlling politicians), economically (IMF/World Bank/ WTO laws benefit the west and debt goes to the west) , and cultural (enslave the mind with religion or media) imperialism. Slaves on our own land. We dn't control our own oil, we sell oil to the west and all the oil money goes to western banks. Then we buy petroleum products. This same economic structure goes with cotton, cocoa, and other commodities. Export cocoa and buy chocolate, export cotton and buy clothing. This goes to almost all African countries. It is a big plantation. Africans have been building whites wealth for 500 years and what do we get from it? No respect, they stole our history and achievements and took it as theirs. Portray us negatively all the time on the media so young hcildren can be like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybDa0gSuAcg

Africans contributed so much to the world which still goes on today and the only thing we think about for our history is slavery. Check out the sungbo eredo from Benin. 2nd largest man made structure in the world and largest earthwork. Is this in any history books? http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/they-all-look-like-all-them/40200-sungbo-eredo-nigerias-hidden-wonder.html

If we knew our own history and stopped doing Christianity then we would be in a better situation then we are now. Not just Africa but around the world.

And now you have shared this glorious knowledge with us. What am I supposed to do with it?

Define who you are, don't let someone else do that for you. There in lies the true beginnings of the African renaissance

Morphes says " everything begins with choice" not "cause and effect"

igbo2011:
How many Nigerians are ready to die? The politicians know that most Nigerians are spineless and are too scared. They die from bad roads and bad hospitals but won't die for their country. There was an egyptian guy who is now blind due to the revloution. How many Egyptians are ready to die?

The question you should be asking is in this age of free flowing information from multiple sources vis a vis "HISTORY LESSONS", "YOU TUBE"and multiple books on the plunder of Africa, How does the spineless NIGERIAN wield all this information to transform himself into a "spinefull" revolutionary?

Its like telling you the "devil exists" What are you supposed to do with that information?

Can you destroy "greed" or "the lust for power" or are you just trying to change its dynamics. Hmmmmm??

igbo2011:
@cap28
What do you think about Ngozi Okonjo Iweala? Do you think she is a puppet to the US and she wants to destroy Nigeria's economy or do you think she will make Nigeria better?

Thats sort of a Rhetorical questions isn't it?

You already know what he is going to answer. All black people who support any western ideology are puppets.

We are just too dim to think for ourselves. Its pratically impossilbe for us to see outside of what we were bamboozled into.

Maybe we should just revolt,  spill blood and start from scratch again.


I am waiting for that revolution. Hope it comes soon as well.

All HAIL CAP28!!.

MandingoII:
Truth to power. But only a few are listening. Most are like Morpheus.

Depraved lotS from the World's oppressed willing to do ANYTHING up to and including , licking Yt's boots, butts and turning around and allowing them to ram him in the butt, All for a COIN.

You do know psychologist say that frequent references of the s, e, x, a.u.a.l nature in conversations between males often point to ones attempt to mask timidness and ones hidden 'short comings" and I am being generous in using the phrase' short comings' as a euphenism.

^^^

Ah Dingo, don't be mad at me cause massa's didn't give your welfare azz no free turkey this year.

^^^

and that term is, ?

BlackLibya:
^^^^

White is a color absent of hue.

I guess we should then use the term "people of hue" instead of "people of color" , just to be more accurate, don't you think.

MandingoII:
WHITE people are the ones with the INFERIORITY COMPLEX.


People of Color are the ones with the Riches, NOT white people.

I like the PC term "people of color". Its a fake anagram for the deragotory Western term,  'colored people' perpetuated by dimwitts who view the world as "white" vs "other people"

Oh by the way dimwitt.  Don't let your oppressors fool you. White is indeed a color as well.

^^^

That boy is some Dead carpet flying Arab!

[quote author=A.D.M. link=topic=806428.msg9609766#msg9609766 date=1321976331]To answer your first comment, maybe it's because they made that choice themselves and don't want to identify with people that owned and had their way with their African ancestors.[/quote]Touchy touchy now. I didn't say people don't have choices now did I and for your edimafication not all multiracial people in the US are products of "slave' owners having their way with African ancestors. Thats disingenous to multi racial couples and If they did by the way. then by now the changes would not be relevant enough for that person to pass as anything other than black in your 'universe'
[quote author=A.D.M. link=topic=806428.msg9609766#msg9609766 date=1321976331]For your second comment, you say Halle Berry would not be considered in black in other countries. How do you know? And who cares? There may be outside factors, but at the end of the day, people have minds of their own and have the ability to choose. There are some that identify as multiracial like Tiger Woods. He calls himself "Caublasian." Do I care? No. It's his choice. And black may mean different things in different countries, but I don't care. As a black American, my history runs through the antebellum south, the black experience in the USA. It's the only history that relates to me.[/quote]if you read through my other thread you would see the evidence. As regards your so called 'choice', is that really a choice or is it an "effect"  bound by the context of the American experience. People who wish to live in boxes and percieve reality as what they want it to be are free to do so as long as they do not think this constitutes absolute truth.

[quote author=A.D.M. link=topic=806428.msg9609766#msg9609766 date=1321976331]You still haven't answered my question. Why do you care about what someone calls himself or herself? It has no affect on you. I thought Africans didn't give a damn about black Americans, especially with the stereotypical and wrong idea of us being lazy and not wanting to work and such some have. You should worry about the problems plaguing your country and continent instead of what someone calls himself or herself.[/quote]You are obviously  reacting to some insult your anger filled subconcious is trying to deal with. It is not a prequisite that I 'care' about a particular topic which I express on. Curiosity is a sufficient human emotion akin to caring.

paniki:
And the chicken run never stops badmouthing SA and predicting its doom. That's why I don't like them. But of cause there are many patriotic South Africans abroad, I hope its mainly them who are coming back

You are so right on that one. I guess the grass wasn't greener on the other side with "their" white brothers in the UK and now SA is transitioning its time to come up. I guess they are allowd that luxury only I would be persuaded to ask the government to revoke their dual citizenship so they can't run away the next time.

I have always prefered those who Stay and fight

paniki:
Yes the English gave you guys a crap time the same way you Afrikaners gave us blacks crap times and now it's the blacks who are maltreating Zimbabweans, Somailians and other foreigners. What a vicious human cycle. And there's always some form of resentment down the whole chain except for the English of cause

http://mg.co.za/article/2009-12-01-end-of-an-era-for-argentinas-afrikaners

lets hope the Zims and Somalians turn theri anger towards Robert and Al shabaib eh!

cheikh:
BlackLibya

@^^ It's really amazing how myths and false stories have gained currency in Nigerian collective consciousness. They may use some west-African and Central African words in their Santarias or worship houses/places, it does not equate to them clearly understanding and speaking Yoruba or Igbo . Bro check your facts and talk to the people yourself to verify the veracity of your assertion. Maybe most of us would wish it to be so but it isn't!

he's probably speaking of the naija "expatriates' that call that place their new home

BlackLibya:
I didnt state that, although Africans and their descendents are the most well known and successful blacks(in terms of population/distribution) in the world. Morpheus I understand you're trying to be PC here.

PC. Far from it

BlackLibya:
blacks around the world associate themselves with[i] us[/i]. We are united not only by our skin colors, but the oppression we have faced because of it. M.I.A herself is a Tamil girl, not as dark as some but she associates herself with many aspects of African culture and has done much to promote both our and her own culture. She is even married to a black man. Unity is a beautiful thing dont hate it bro, dont fight it, black people want ways to identify with each other.

M.I.A only associates with "Black" culture in England because she raps and sings  and is heavily exposed to it.

If she travesl back to anywhere in South Asia I doubt she's gonna be screaming " I'm black , I'm Proud" over there.

Though darker  skinned than many Africans, most South Asians do not identify as "black" within social contexts.

How many Dark skinned indians do you know that identify as "black"  because of their oprressed states?

cheikh:
Trying to convince NLs to think deeper/ differently is a very hopeful wish indeed. Do you really have that kind of surplus energy?

Hope is a very power thing my friend.

paniki:
If you consider yourself black then you are black. Others might not agree based on your skin tone and many other factors, but if you consider yourself to be black then you are black

Thats fine with me. In fact thats halle berry's assertion. However how much of that 'consideration' is influence as a result of already existing  class "constructs' or the ability to fit into already existings groups for some "alterior' motive.

Halle berry really has no real "choice" of considering herself anyting other than black because those are only "real' choices within her societies constucts and a fear of defining herself outside of those walls would probably prove disastrous for her going both ways as an actor.

Case in point. Most coloured people of South Africa would have found it odd to consider themselves "black" as many still hold today  but we begin to notice that  as power structures shift and opportunities abound for those who are "considered" to be black you find many embracing their blackness.

Horus:
In Brazil 80% of the population in the city of Salvador da Bahia is black.

Clarify. By black do you mean African or Black skin?

BlackLibya:
Morpheus all of the people you posted are black. One cannot unbecome black, and berbers are original people. In west africa the Zenaga were one of the first and most powerful Berber groups, they were pitch black. Soooo

Don't know what you mean by "one cannot unbecome black"?. explain!

What you assert therefore is that to be considered black it must be synaymous with African? If so then are all these people  black and therefore African. Right?

Horus:
MID-YEAR POPULATION ESTIMATES 2011

Population group Number % of total
African 40 206 275 79.5%
White 4 565 825 9.0%
Coloured 4 539 790 9.0%
Indian/Asian 1 274 867 2.5%
TOTAL 50 586 757 100%

Source: Statistics South Africa

Wow its jumped from its previous 5%. Wonder what ti was pre 1994?

Yep.

I guess their fears of being butchered in numbers or their "jobs being stolen" has alleviated.

Hmm or maybe not?

^^^
if your answer was all these individuals consider themselves black then halle Berry must be black. If however they are not considered black then within those "social" contexts, Halle Berry would not be considered black

eGuerrilla:
@Morpheus, your post makes no attempt to conceal what appears to be indignation that some Brazilians take pride mostly in their African heritage or that most AA 's categorize themselves as black. Was this this intent?

You need to check my history on threads regarding this matter before you can question my intent.

eGuerrilla:
Why do you feel the need to place such an emphasis on biology, when even the uninformed recognises it as the very basis of the "one drop" rule which helped create various racial stratification groups.

THe question you need to be asking is are my assertions incorrect. If so then why are they. If not then what is the problem. People tend to over simplify these issues for what ever political or social motives yo wnat to conjur up. To see the world in black and white is simplistic. . However simple you want it to be and no matter who is tryng to define it doesn't make that the TRUTH in absolute terms

eGuerrilla:
How do you know Halle Berry would not be considered "Black" in Senegal, having never actually conducted any formal research in this area?
In my travels, I have met Senegalese who are several shades darker than me (with nappy hair to boot) who only feel comfortable passing themselves off as Arab.
Likewise, I have had the pleasure of knowing and working with others who would readily go to war if considered anything other than Black Africans.

You just answed your own question using your own example. "SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS" are simply that nothing more. Reality is what you perceive it to be. isn't it?

Would you consider each of these individuals black . Do they jsut have have African heritage , or both?

[quote author=A.D.M. link=topic=806428.msg9602511#msg9602511 date=1321889265]Well, according to the article from The Guardian, more and more black people in Brazil are expressing pride in being of African descent. Are you saying they're wrong?[/quote]Nope!. how could they be? Then again How could they not take pride in their native indian or European heritage either. I wonder why thats a conflict?

[quote author=A.D.M. link=topic=806428.msg9602511#msg9602511 date=1321889265]From your bottom comment, you obviously know little about AA history. Those two people consider themselves to be AA. Ask the second guy what his ethnic background is and he'll tell you he's black. If you're trying to insinuate somebody forced them into it, you're wrong and it shows how little you Africans know about AA history and culture. Unlike others, most, if not all, BAs don't really go into blood quantums. We know we have "other" in our DNA, but we still say we're black. I guess that's the difference between us and other black folks.[/quote]Cause AA 's categorize themselves as black for mostly political and social reason doesn't really mean much in terms of biology. Black can take on different meanings in differnt places depending. if Halle berry walked down the streets of Senegal West Africa she would not be considered Black, if she walked down the streets of cape town, she would not be condsidered black either.

Therefore being black is heavily defined by social constructs that are determined by several factors.

The fact that some Brazilians take pride in mostly their African heritage more that a multiplicity of their ethnic make up is heavliy influenced by "class" constructs that create boundaries made by men

The only reason  mixed AA's identify primarily as black regardless of their multiple heritage is primarily based on the one drop rule and you know it .