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davidylan:
That's why arguments like these are ultimately defeatist. Initially you CLAIMED WITHOUT PROOF that Moses was accepted into the house of pharaoh as possibly looking like Egyptian since they could not identify him, now that the bible has proven your claim to be false all of a sudden it becomes an allegorical bible?

The same bible you initially used to say this -
has suddenly become allegorical that can not be used to make sense? how did you then use it to show me "concrete proof"? I guess the question i shld ask is simple, how did pharaoh's daughter determine within seconds that a baby less than 1 yr old was hrebrew?

My argument isnt essentially defeated, the problem is you either don't understand the issues at stake or you want to prove "i too know something" by running rings around facts. Whites were once a part of Nigerian population, after independence the vast majority of them emigrated back to Europe . . . does that defeat the argument that fundamentally whites have physically distinct features from us?

Now you make another fallacy WITHOUT PROOF . . . how are you sure that there were no white people around those territories in those days? where is your source?

What it boils down to is not my definition of white but YOUR own insistence on making spurious claims that don't hold water all because you must show you at least know something.

Race is not defined by skin color alone, even a 5yr old knows that. Your help was not needed there considering you didnt even know that euroasian did not define a race but geegraphy.

My point is to show how the so called jews you claimed are and were always white is a false statment as well by asking you to define what you mean by White. the jews do not look like how they did in ancient times by simple genetics. They didn't evolve in the sense of the word as it is used in mutation of genes.

my statement is still not incorrect in saying it is concieivable to deduce that the Jews were phenotypicaly similar to the Egyptians. i provided you with genetic evidence that traces gene flow in around the levant tofurther strengthen the fact that even the definition of Egyptians as black can apply to the jews without restriction depending on your strict defintion of what that word means. Negro is not a race. black is skin color. hebrews were not white as you define jews today.

If its confusing for you thats not my fault. The definitions are quite complex in this day and age.

davidylan:
Its easy to note that you view color with the lenses of a 21st century victim of racism and slavery . . . a thing the black Egyptians of 3000 years ago did not have to contend with. The fact that Pharaoh's daughter so easily figured out the child (less than 6 months old) was hebrew is small evidence to prove there was some form of physical distinction between the Egyptians and Jews of that time.
there is historical evidence to show that the Egyptians did infact intermarry with whites . . . i suppose reading a bit of history shldnt be beyond a man who cries so much.

the problem here exactly is that you advance NO theories for your claims. Lets even assume the Jews were once black, i asked earlier - how did they become white and EVERYONE FAILED TO EVOLVE . . .? Where is your answer since this question was first mooted a page earlier?

Negroid derives itself from a latin root word that means black. It therefore, without much thinking, means that people with black skin are refered to as negroid. Simple as ABC buddy.

Again like i said earlier . . . its perfectly ok to say "i don't know" . . . you can't keep digging a hole to cover a hole. Once you've been caught in a lie, stop digging.

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Genetic evidence of common descent
Main articles: Haplogroup J1 (Y-DNA) and Y-chromosomal Aaron

Map showing the diversion of Y-chromosome Haplogroup IJ and its descendants.
Aaron, Waterlooplein, Amsterdam.Patrilineal descent can be documented by analysis of the Y-chromosome, passed from father to son. Of the many variants, or haplogroups, of the Y-chromosome, haplogroups J1 and J2, both originating from the Middle East, are the most common among Jewish men.

J2 is found in 23% of Ashkenazi Jews and 29% of Sephardi Jews. It is equally common among Muslim Kurds, Northern Iraqis, Modern Turks, Greeks, Italians, and Lebanese. J2 is thought to have originated in the Northern Levant.
J1 is found in 19.0% of Ashkenazim and 11.9% of Sephardim. It is more common among Arab populations, especially Arab Bedouins.
A variant of J1 and J2, called the Cohen Modal Haplotype, is found in a high proportion (about 65%) of Jewish males with the surname Kohen or its variants, less frequently among other Jews (25%) and other Middle-Eastern people (22% or less)[6]. Kohanim claim descent from Aaron, brother of Moses and the first priest of the temple. Aaron was from the house of Levi, the third son of Jacob.
The Cohen Modal Haplotype is more frequent in haplogroup J1, suggesting that this variant of the Y-chromosome is the one carried by Aaron and hence Abraham and all his descendants, including Jacob and the Israelites. J1 is believed to originate from the Southern Levant (modern day Israel, Palestinian territories and Jordan; biblical Canaan) or Egypt approximately 10,000 - 15,000 years ago. [7] Biblical tradition holds that Abraham and his ancestors, the Semitic tribes, originated from Southern Arabia or East Africa (Genesis 10). The high frequency of J1 among Arabs can be seen as confirming their descent from Ishmael, son of Abraham. [8] [9]

Thus, genetic evidences support a common patrilineal descent for a small portion of Jews, which probably represents descent from one of the Israelite tribe. The discovery of the Cohen Modal Haplotype confirms the Biblical and priestly claim of descent from a unique ancestor, namely Aaron, and also provides an objective test of claims of Israelite origin, as for example with the Lemba people. Note however that several Kohen families carry other Y-chromosome variants.[10] Note also that, given enough time, new mutations will blur the origin of a specific chromosome and decrease the usefulness of genetic information.



Like I said you have not knowledge of genetics which is why you claim I said Jews were black people rather that "recenty became white" cause yout probably think an Arab is a caucasian.

davidylan:
Its easy to note that you view color with the lenses of a 21st century victim of racism and slavery . . . a thing the black Egyptians of 3000 years ago did not have to contend with. The fact that Pharaoh's daughter so easily figured out the child (less than 6 months old) was hebrew is small evidence to prove there was some form of physical distinction between the Egyptians and Jews of that time.
there is historical evidence to show that the Egyptians did infact intermarry with whites . . . i suppose reading a bit of history shldnt be beyond a man who cries so much.

the problem here exactly is that you advance NO theories for your claims. Lets even assume the Jews were once black, i asked earlier - how did they become white and EVERYONE FAILED TO EVOLVE . . .? Where is your answer since this question was first mooted a page earlier?

Negroid derives itself from a latin root word that means black. It therefore, without much thinking, means that people with black skin are refered to as negroid. Simple as ABC buddy.

Again like i said earlier . . . its perfectly ok to say "i don't know" . . . you can't keep digging a hole to cover a hole. Once you've been caught in a lie, stop digging.

Eh what whites did they intermarry with, from what era, before or after the ptolemic dynasty, during what dynasty,of course there were small incursions across the sinai but that wouldn't count for the acceptance of a would be hebrew whom everyone could identify with as such living as a prince in egypt.

I never said the jews were black in your definition of the world negro. what I said is they did not become white until recently. White meaning european phenotypical traits which included lighter skin.

Stop telling me about what or how negro was derived I am quite versed on that and stop trying to give me history lessons I am quite shrpon that too. I am talking about genetics and phenotypical traits when populations move out of certain regions.

davidylan:
One thing i notice from your incoherent rambling, you woefully declined to take on ANY of the issues i took you out on. You've made several CLEARLY FALSE claims (ashkenazi, euroasian, moses being undetected by the egyptians, egyptians being white), each time i expose them you decide to run into the arms of ad hominems which frankly are the last refuge of the clueless.

Next post shld sort out most of the thrash you posted last.

I just did but you are too square headed to see any of it by using an allegorical bible verse to prove that because pharoah's daughter exclaimed Moses was a hebrew therefore everyone else knew he was one.  If it makes sense to you. Good for you.

You defeat your own arguement by mentioning copts as the last remnants of Ancient Egyptians by strenghting the point that they were indeed two distinct polulations in terms of phenotypical features between ancient egyptians and ancient hebrews  and yet still support the arguement that jews were white when no white people were around those territories in thoses days. unless of course you will contend that ancient libyans wer white people in your definition of caucasian.

Again it boils down to your definitiion of White which your eurocentric masters have so confused you with that you can't tell the difference between a greek and a swede. I hope you know caucasian also defines morphology and anthropology as well before you think its only skin color and therefore crosses between your lines of Race.

davidylan:
Ashkenazi refers to jews who descended from ancient jewish communities that once thrived in areas of Germany. You could so easily have given names to russian jews, polish jews, iranian jews . . . Ashkenazi jews is simply German jews in another name . . . nothing special.

the largest jewish migration in history occured after the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 when millions of jews were dispersed around the world including Europe. the probably intermarried with other Europeans . . . and thus may have some distinct different genetic markers as compared to jews who settled in Iran or those who remained in smaller communities in Israel.

Unless you of course want to prove that the ashkenazi jews suddenly mutated within 1000 years then we're left to ask the question, why arent the black genes passed onto native Germans among whom these jews settled?

modern jews are descended from ancient jews . . . all the hullabaloo has been arab propaganda to dispossess the jews of Israel.

my friend, i work in a science lab where genes are routinely handled so stop bandying false facts around. Data interpretation is dependent on what you, the author of the data, wants it to say. finito. Argue from now till next yr.

Pretty silly here methinks. Caucasian describes a race, negroid/black CLEARLY defines a race. African does NOT define a race. Every person with black skin is negroid but not every negroid is African.

Who told you he passed for an Egyptian? Please like i told Madamkoko earlier . . . enough of these ribald, baseless claims . . . here is the true story.

Exodus 2:5 And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash [herself] at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river's side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it.

  2:6 And when she had opened [it], she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, [size=14pt]This [is one] of the Hebrews' children.[/size]

So Moses was the only White guy among black people and they made him a prince. sssssshh!!!. They were obviously color blind or too stupid to notice which is why they let a white jew sit along side pharoah and didn't notice he was hebrew, same goes for Joseph too but of course.

The Jews of today look absolutely the same way they looked like during pharoahs time. Makes sense to me. You win. I concede. Genotype does not affect Phenotype in any way. I agree with that too. cause I am too stupid to know how human populations evolve.

Every person with black skin is negroid. Hear yourself talk. Its cause you think Caucasians= White and you work in a lab where they mess with the human genome. Quit volunteering you ain't learning anything.

davidylan:
Just an example of the silliness that passes for "facts" on these boards nowadays . . .

Morpheus24 makes a completely false claim: "Those people did not become white until many centuries later."

Madamkoko, without even logically thinking through the claim, says - "good point".

The question you're left asking is why is it so common nowadays for people to just make spurious claims without thorough research? If black people from Egypt, who intermarried more than the jews, did not evolve to become white after 3000 years how come the jews did? What of the black ethiopians who even intermarried with jews? How did they remain black and not evolve to white?

Is it too much to ask empty heads to prove their claims before they make them?

Which black people from Egypt are you talking about. The ones who lived there lond ago or the ones who liver there no. Come get your timelines straight here.

I don't think the people there are still considered black.

You just don't understand do you. Not worth arguing.

davidylan:
You have simply run around the question . . . which was plainly - HOW (with concrete evidence) did the 2 tribes of Judah evolve to become white?

1. you claim they intermarried - that is not very true . . . white people have intermarried and it is yet to completely dilute their race ditto for blacks and asians. Now the bible and jewish tradition is VERY strict on forbidding intermarriage. One of the strongest problems with the jews in the wilderness (read the book of Exodus) and those before the exile in Babylon was INTERMARRIAGE.

2. Migration - this is false. The jews of Israel have been on that land for 3000 years. There were only 2 distinct periods of migration, the 70 yr exile in babylon (read Daniel, Nehemiah or Ezra) and the roman destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Where did the jews migrate to?

You say the proof is in the DNA . . . which proof? DNA can say anything you want it to say, like a professor of mine once said - data is data, you can give it whatever meaning you want.

Euroasia does not describe a race, rather it describes an expanse of land encompassing Europe and Asia.

You don't get it. Please read up on Ashkenazi's before you make that statement of intermarriage. I am not going to start lecturing you on Y chorosome and Mithchrocondial DNA in Ashkenazi. You can wikipeida it or I'll be here all day explaining it to you.

i don't know if you are aksing about acinet hebrews or modern day Jews as far as "White people" are concerned

Just the statement from your professor lets me know you can't have a concrete understanding of how what DNA works. How can he make such a statment when the intepretation of the Data is what helps any sensible person make sound judgments that are factual and true.

Caucasion does not denote a race either. Neither does negro. pseudo science. Therefore Black does not describe a race cause Africans are not the only people with black skin in this world.

If the Jews were and have always been white and Egyptians have always been black. How in the hell did Moses pass for and Egyptian in pharoah's house without being detected. There's the concrete proof you are looking for.

davidylan:
Nigeria is one funny country. When it comes to retrogressive laws we suddenly start hearing of the states quasi-independence from the federal arm . . . the minute it comes to cold hard cash (aka federal allocation), states become appendages of the federal government.

Good point.

Please somebody brush this one down if you can.

davidylan:
then i'D ask my own question . . . how did the kingdom of Judah evolve to become white? Please i'D be more than willing to see proof of the phrase in highlights.
by the way, semitic people (arabs and jews) are regarded as caucasians NOT euroasians.

They didn't evolve, they simply inter-marriaged, migrated and at the same time retained their religious and cultural practices. the proof is in DNA. I'll give you an example, the colored people that live in South African today are a seperate ethnic group consists of admixtures of khosian peoples, europeans and malays. The have distinctive features that seperate them from the other african tribes that surround them. slowy but surely as they lean towards the Black side becuase of majority rule and power. There is a probability that over generations they will become more akin in phenotype to the black south africans though retaining certain distinguishable features over generations. Like wise if you swing the pendulum to the left and they stay islolated or lean to the whites,slowly but surely they would be akin to Whites though carrying distinguishable features that would no doubt seperate them from their White neighbours. It all depends.


American regards euroasians as caucasians cause they are dumbassess. They also define some tribes in Ethiopia and ancient Egyptians as caucasians or caucasoid. Nothing more that misnomers.

I think it happens when you start hearing voices and hallucinating.

davidylan:
stop bawling my dear . . . its ok to be wrong.

Ok here is the crux of the matter dear child - the poster asks why all the pictorial renderings in the bible are white and why the bible has no black characters. What he however misses is the many references the bible ACTUALLY makes to black people, Egyptians and Ethiopians for a start.

Next the poster needs to realise that the jewish people (for whom the OT and parts of the NT are centered around) ARE AND WERE WHITE.

I posit another scenario, the first translators of the bible were all white Europeans . . . considering the history of slavery and racism, it is not difficult to imagine they would have made all their characters white.

Now comes clueless buffons like madamkoko - she says well African-Americans have their own bible translation too . . . what makes this attempt at a rebuttal laughable is:

1. We don't know (she never told us and likely doesnt know) whether there are any pictorial renderings in the african-american bible and what color the characters are.

2. The first English translations of the bible came out as early as 900 AD, a period that America didnt even exist.

Now you ask yourself the question, who's the child here? the answer is very clear. i rest my case.

Eh davidyln

to interject in your arguement the statement of Jews being always "White". Euroasians are not white by any account. The Herews from the Exodus were not white when they left egypt. After the 12 tribes were divided. Two remained to form the kingdom of Judah. Those people did not become white until many centuries later.

Just to clue you in.

Typical muslim answer, next you will have laws that allow 10 year olds get married legally,

it won't stop until it becomes utterly ridiculous. I have said it before if you guys want to form an Islamic republic and make your own laws, why don't you say so instead of using these corner corner laws

By the way have the adults even set legislation to ban themselves from flying prosititutes into the country before they want to dictate morality to the younger ones. As if the law will control anything inthis modern age.

Egyptians are black by today's American definition of black and so were cushites or abbysinians so to the poster. Your question has been answered already.

Now can pastor Tunde bakare predict if he is going to win and if he will end world hunger and bring America back to its prominence


it doesn't take a genius to predict such a probability. they do it in Las vegas everyday using odds and technique

e don start again oh. When some of us start calling for seperation, all of you will start shouting lets hold hand together and make Nigeria great.

How can when some people are regressing and will inevitable pull you down so you can drown with them. Chei!

madamkoko:
@ Poster: Yes its a requirement but most people PAY THIER WAY through it.

Just attend first two weeks of orientation and call it a day. Then get a job at a Bank, thats what most affulent Nigerians do.

I second that suggestion. Don't waste your time with that shit. A way of using labor for free. There are other ways you can serve communities in nigeria. That law should be amended in this day an age.

coolruler:
thanx madamkoko

I also noticed that in pictorial rendering of biblical scenes, all characters are usually portrayed as white. Is this not a way of saying the blackman has no place in biblical things?

Huh, I don't get the question?

Ayone know where I can get an Ak47 and some 9mm for protection in my house. Even i am looking for Teflon sef.

You should be asking why there no "White" people or japanese people or papau new guineans or samoans in the bible?

They love him because they think another world jihad is coming where they'll put a sword to our necks and tell us to convert or die and then Osama will take our women and purify them by givingt hem belle to born bastard arabs and finally the world will be at peace!!

Allahu Akbar!!

My answer

HELL YE, !!!


Sorry I meant Heaven Yeah they should be taxed.

Chei see what information overload causes!

olabowale:
@~Lady~: « #16 on: Yesterday at 05:52:49 PM »
Even you a Christian agree that a good portion of you is wrong. So I should ignore them, now that you have condemn them? Right? Now look at your own writing. You based all your understanding on "Interpretation," asyou have used th word interpret, above. Please tell me what happens when the Biblical verse is so plain as what God said to Moses in the urning bush? Will you still need the art of interpretation? When you answer, I have plenty of plain verses in the new testament for you to tinker with. That will get you cool down, in a hurry.





But the rest of catholic ideas just shifted to how you classified the protestants. Considering that all of you believe in Trinity and three godheads. Okay persons. The holy spirit for you, the holy ghost for them. But both of you believe in son and father. You uniquely pray to the mother in addition. Come to think of it, in this respect, you are worse.





And i saw a Jesuit pastor in one of the Youtube videos provided by davidylan on aother thread, slappin a black woman during baptizm event! What came over him? The devil? I think he needs a wife.




lolololol!

Olabowale

I think you are obsessed with this three in one god thing. Didn't your Quran say when muslims die they will go to theri own heaven . idon't konw which one maybe the 6th or 7th chamber and your fellow xtians will go to another one. Why are you worrying yourself. Abi the one you are going to is going to be executive suite abi.

Yisraylite:
@KunleOshob





Pro 10:13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod [is] for the back of him that is void of understanding.

Pro 11:12 He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace.

I'm giving you the whipping that  your Daddy neglected to give you as a child

Salamah
Yisraylite

You know you relgious nuts are crazy. I don't get your logic. its this simple

Either all of you are lying and one is telling the truth
All of you are telling the truth and no one is lying
All of you are lying and noone is telling the truth   

cause honestly you don't know. Can't you just admit this. How can you tell me what is going to happen to me when I die when none of you really know and base all your knowledge on books stone/bronze age people wrote before they knew the earth revolved around the sun and the sun was not a god. Ssssshh!

Ethiopian people are no differnt in terms of pride, culture or features to othsr Africans. Though they are pysically different from West Africans or Southern Africans, those features have nothing to do with being intelligent or culturally superior.

As a matter of fact Ethiopia is one of the most underdeveloped countries in African despite their historical significance.

If an Ethiopian tells you the mythical story of Solomon and Sheba please kung them in the head. The story is not factually true and are storeis which move across the yemen into Ethiopian through trans geographical migrations.

Geneticallly ethiopians are closer to Africans than Arabians . full stop

If Delta Igbo's don't want to be Igbo that one consign them. When they start shooting their nyahs they will shout CHINEKE by force and retreat back to Igbo land.

DRANOEL:
thats funny cause i was thinking obasanjo is the biggest tyrant we have ever had plus i have served in the west fiditi in oyo to be precise and thats about the most illiterate infected place i have ever been to

How many politicians died under the hand of the Obasanjo Regime.

Note I said under Obasanjo's hand and not dirty polititians

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=163180.msg2710119#msg2710119 date=1219765427]pleas don't use idiots as a standard to measure all christians.

no one knows who the anti christ is.

the signs are in the Bible, but these silly humans who call themselves christians are doing what they're not supposed to do. instead of striving to be holy and helping the earth and its inhabitants, they're busy trying to figure out the end of the world. they do not know it, so please ignore them.[/quote]Then why so many Pastors preaching it if they are human and can't admit that they don't know.
Every century there is a new Anti Christ.

I won't be surprised if he hasn't come and gone right under ya noses.

this one made me laugh the other day. America is the new babylon and will burn and perish, yeah right like America is the first empire that ever eixsted or perished. Good prediction.