₦airaland Forum

RSA:
I apologise to all that I have hurt,It is just that it is difficult here to mention South Africa without being attacked.I was just showing you pictures of SOWETO,and what did I get?
Yes Nigeria played impotant role to most of the exiled people and we appreciate that.I think Thabo Mbeki who spend some of his time in Nigeria thanked people of Nigeria in parliamnet and on his visit to Nigeria on number of occassions.Mbeki worked very closely with Obasanjo and they created lot of positive things for Africa as a whole.
We are currently donating clothe,food,medical to people of Sudan,does that mean one day my grandson should mention that his grandfather was clothing and feeding Sudaness?

Aids,crime,xenophobiic attacks are happening in very poor places,people there don't care about relationships or who did what all they want is to survive and becuase of that you can't brush all of us with one brush.

As South African we love ourself and igbogolo I hope that one day you'll start loving your countrymen then maybe just maybe you will be happy for us for our succeses.Black man you're on your own

Continue your positive threads and don't succumb to some nigerians who think they know everything in this world. There are other people here who benefit from the exposure you are giving them

Ps I was not refering to you in any deragotory terms in my earlier post.

igbogolo:
MORPHEUS 24
People like you help foreigners to insult nigerians. Some little brat here said that nothing good can come out of Nigeria, calling us hippies and losers.
if nothing good can come out of Nigeria, what about the sacrifices we made for south africa back then?
do you think that you can live in the present without the ''past''? do you think relations are formed from nothing??
you are bold. very bold. you can hide under the protection of the internet to rant nonsense.

First of, the word "Foreigner" is foreign to me as far as Africans are concerned and I don't consider RSA or any other African for that matter as such so I ain't helping anyone insult anyone.

The person who said nothing good can come out of nigeria is a buffoon and I wouldnt' exchange words with an unintellectual of that sort.

We made sacrificies for many African countries including S. Africa and willing chose to do so without any outright request for compensation and even if i think the S. Africans have accomodated us for quite some time now.

What Nigerians ask for in any country is a fair chance/competition to succeed using the best of our postitive abilities and in return contibute constructively to any community we intergrate with because unfortunately our country doesn't give the whole 140+ million of us to do so in our own back yards.

We have to stop this "We did this for you so you owe us this." The people have their own problems to deal with post apatheid so give them break.

If they refuse establishment of legititmate Nigerian businesses in S.Africa then likewise I would accept baring or creating barriers for them from Nigerian markets but thats not whats happening so explain to me what you imply when you say we helped them, Do you want some sort of acknowledgment for that fact or you want them to pay us money or allow us to invade their country.

I am bold enough to correct my own brother/Sister when I think he/she is wrong if thats what you are implying

igbogolo:
Dear RSA,
I really do not wish to be drawn into this vacuous debate about south africa and Nigeria. I think you are pretty young, so I would like to educate you about your past.

My grand mother is 84 years old. She was amongst the thousand nigerian mothers that sacrificed their blouses and wrappers so that naked south african women and men stripped by apartheid regime in south africa had something to cover their unclothedness.
In your bile RSA, do not forget the historic role that Nigeria played( including providing assylum and food and education for SA activists and residents) who were about to be crushed by the south african regime at that time. Without Nigeria, south africa blacks would have had to endure the bitter taste of white colonialism a bit longer. I will paste Bothas speech on this forum later for your sober reflection.
The same Nigeria has allowed your empire to grow and nurture here without hinderance. Yes am talking about MTN and Multichoice all in her bold show of brotherliness.
Dear RSA, I so badly want to tell you to shove your puerile ranting into your ass. South africa blacks are an embarrassment. you blacks of no identity and culture need JESUS.
You dangerous and uneducated blacks of south africa are the most violent, insecure, HIV infested animals on earth. Do you think clean streets and electricity is all that makes SA better?
Do not worry about the nigerian statistics all over the world. we are an enterprising people that will shake the world when we awake.

Igbogolo,

What is wrong with you. Enough of this Nigeria helped South Africa during Apatheid. I am beginning to get sick of hearing that rubbish over and over again. We are living in the present now. Let the South Africans know what other African countries did for them during Apatheid but stop there.
Does that give any one of us any privileges over the South Africans? The guy is showing you a part of his homeland he is proud of. What is the insult there?

Naija. Una too do I too know!

The guy is right when he says he is a first class citizen in his country and has no desire to leave when most of us are overseas truly living as second class citizens. See how many of us are dying on the trip to europe so he has a point.


It is understandable that the S. Africans were isolated and have lilttle relations to other Africans pre- Apatheid but what is more unfortunate is that the first outright mass contact with their brothers was with "Nigerians" who admittedly are one of the most difficult Africans to deal with so don't blame them.

Enlightenment is the key and not this childish " I am better than you" shit.

ecomog08:
please i am schizophrenic. I need a doctor or someone who knows he is to post and lets share experiences.it is worst than aids because your body will not just sweet you at all and does it kill

if you are serious in your diagnosis then know the illness does not kill you. It however distorts your thinking process and you will tend to have delusional thougts and other associcated symptoms. Find medication that works for you and learn everything you can about your ailment as this improves your chances of recovery.

Also find a good support group and stay aay form people who don't help your situation.

Mpele:
I want to know why most of the people here are attacking me. Why does human nature allows people to attack others when they differ. I find it moronic that most Nigerians were attacking me, telling me about crime and Hiv/aids in South Africa. Is as if in Nigeria there is no crime. In fact in Africa and Nigeria there are so many illneses. In South Africa we are just struggling with HIV of which is a world wide epindemic. I mean in Asia there is so much HIV/Aids but hey no one is saying anything.

It is a shame that most Nigerians still say that the reason South Africa is developed is because of whites. Yes they played a part, but hey they're out of power but development is still taking shape under black rule. People speak as if when whites were working, blacks, coloureds and Indians were just sitting back. Who mined all the gold, who was climbing ladders and building tall buildings and stadiums that we have today, isn't it blacks. We're so different to other African Nations. When the chinese were building raliway lines and stadiums in East Africa they brought with them their own labour force. We suffered under apartheid and when it ended we didn't see a need to get rid of white people, why should we, not all white South Africans were racist.

We will continue to work hard to make sure that this country progresses. The few numskulls who went around beating up people do not represent even 10% of the population. What some of us were advocating was that there must be proper control of immigrants. People who come here to work or invest should be allowed to come in regardless of colour or ethnicity. People who're here just because some few leaders were given shelter in their countries and now feel entitled to come here and do as they wish are the dangerous ones. They'll cause havoc when things don't go their way.

Let me reitarate the fact that I don't have any problem with Nigerians and never will, the only gripe I have is the manners. Americans are brash and arrogant, but hey for them is not just all talk, no action. They're hard working people and just like the French they're allowed to be arrogant about it. Now here we have our lovelly friends, who talk too much and think that the world revolves around them. They look down upon other less fortunate countries e.g Ghana. The country is a bloody mess, nothing works. Lagos is like garbage dump, and now they're doing exatly the same thing to Hillbrow in Johannesburg.

Nigerians must learn to be polite then the rest of the world will take them serious. You don't have anything to back up your claims with. As they say most Nigerians are educated and armed with MBA's and other fancy titles. What's the use of having those things if they're not contributing to the advancement of your country. Zimbabweans are amongst the most educated in Africa and they used to boast to the South Africans about their education, where are they now. South Africa generally don't have the culture of reading, this includes blacks and coloureds who like casual jobs like working in shops, firms and mining, whites who like farming and Indians who're shopkeepers, but hey lifes goes on and the economy is growing.

Its high time Nigerians put their money where their mouths are. Its been more than 40 years of independence, but things are still the same.

The message is simple to you. SHUT UP AND GET TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a brotherly advice, take it or leave it.

RUBBISH TALK!!!! NO SUBSTANCE

Carry on!

Planner:
I am beginninjg to feel embarrases for condeneming Mpele, when he pourd venoms on we Nigerians. I am sure Mpele will be somewhere reading all th epost and be laughing his head off.

See Mpele before you start rejoicing, Zino Ben is not a typical Nigerian. He is just 0.0000001% of our Population. In fact he is lone ranger.

We Nigerians are smart, assertive, intelligent, outspoken but not deluded.

Why are you apologizing to Mpele. If he has been able to withstand the rain of abuses from fellow nairalanders and not disappear yer I vote we make him an honorary Naija boy.

Mpele:
@ grafikdon.

lol! couldn't have said it better I think 9th world would be better. That is why Nigerians are all over the world, they just can't afford to live in a lifeless country.

This is not an insult, but reality

Yes and we are about to invade your half kaffir ass too and turn you into a Nigerian by breeding out that leucoderm in you.

[quote author=dudu-bobo link=topic=170083.msg2785791#msg2785791 date=1221141493]I hate to admit this but you are right. . . and it is very painful[/quote]E dudubobo stand up for yourself. You can't allow this hatemongering zebra sway your intellect. He only pick and chooses what he wants to report.

I don't know of any existing colored forum for this raff riff to spout his xenophobia for nigerians/immigrants which is why you see him here.

Even if Nigeria became Africa's super power, which by the way we are not far from comparative to other African nations, that spider head will still find something to talk about cause he is filled with hate and prejudice.

he won't attack all the other immigrants who are robbing South Africa blind cause they are doing it under his nose. He will only attack a target he deems weak. Mind of an oppressed HOUSE NEGRO.

Mpele:
We are Africa's last hope.

http://www.satba.org/h8.htm

Hehehehehehehe!!!!!

last hope. Men ya'll haven't even started

Don't worry Mpele they will release your bros back to SA fully intact with arms and legs


Just Pay the DOLLARS$$$$$$$$

Sorry I mean RANDZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

This boy keeps baiting you guys into these useless discussions that have no bearing. Stop replying the boy he is a TROLL!!!!

Today he is black, tomorrow he is white, next he is colored, then brazilian, then russian.

Can't you see the poor boy needs help. He doesn't know where he fits in.

Give him a break. His legs that is.

ladi02:
to the best of my knowledge, Obama fits well to be the anti christ,

this is not only assumed in Nigeria, its all over the world,

infact, im almost convinced he is the anti christ, i always wondered there was something different about this guy, lol

well the end is near people, live right!!!

so does Mugabe judging from what he is doing to his people, he could be the anti christ too you know

Imagination is a scary thing. I hope when this Anti Christ comes you guys will tell me so I can send Frodo Baggins and the fellowship of the ring to Mordo to assasinate him so we can all live in peace on earth and men will rule again.


Madness!!!

If Obama is the Anti Christ, I guess the world is about to come to an end.

Damn it iahd so much already I hadn't done yet, like sleep tieh Rihanna

Oh Obama can't you delay your rise to powe until at least 2012

PRETTY PLEASE!!!!!!!!

Bastage:
@coolruler

The reason they were not a race or ethnically distinctive was purely because of the outside breeding that took place.

In Egypt, they would have absorbed some Egyptian characteristics, some from foriegn converts and after the Exodus, they would have taken on the attributes of those they bred with from the lands they conquered.

Once has to remember that there were only a finite number in the 12 tribes when Moses went up the mountain and there were always incidents where many lives were lost. Their numbers would need replenishing. This could not be done with inter-breeding amongst themselves as they simply didn't have the numbers.

Therefore, they were not a distinct race. Rather a mish-mash of many peoples throughout the Middle East.

@morpheus24. Relax, man. I didn't claim you made such a statement.

I was refering to Davidylan in my response

coolruler:
Explain please!

I say hebrews were a distinct religous, ethnic and liguistic group

Bastage:
The concensus amongst theologians is that the Hebrews had "olive" skin tone.
They were neither black nor white.


To the poster who says that there was no inter-marriage because it was forbidden - You are wrong. There are many instances in the Bible where the early Hebrews (by the command of their god) pillaged and destroyed cities, murdered all the men and took the women away to be their wives. Over a few generations, this would also have affected skin tone.

The Hebrews were not a race. They were a religion.

If anyone reads through my posts you will certainly notice that no where did I make a claim that hebrews or jews where black. Davidlyn simply assumed that . What I rebutted was the statement that Jews are and where always white. I used many comparisons as well as evidence of Traces of Middle eastern DNA affiliations that would argue the point that they did not originate from Europe to warrant the designation "White" as we define it in this world today.

I stand by my statement that Jews did not become White until recent.

merge:
You can not even write in plain English that makes sense what else Pidgin english

This woman you are finding my trouble oh!

You will not like it oh!

You want us to put a vote to it.

All those who think my statment doesn't make sense vote Hillary

all those who say it does. Vote Obama. Shikena.

merge:
Well that life there always someone else that can understand incomprehensible post.

so sorry , I will try to write in Pidgin english next time.


please if someone other than Merge did not get what I was saying then let me know too.

Hello anyone?

merge:
This post does not make sense

To you it doesn't but someone else will get it.

toluxa1:
That does not mean that Obama should do the same. ok?

Winning is not everything in my book. Its how you conduct yourself at the aftermath. It shows your true character.  I believe if Obama had lost the election he wuold have bowed out graciously but for a Clinton no way. its do or Die.

i am not saying it ain't admirable to fight tothe finish but when it becomes an obsession, you loose your soul in the process and to me thats a huge judge of character.

merge:
Clinton should have been the VP or the nominee.

Obama has made it more difficult for himself to win.
If he picked Clinton as his VP, then a definite win.

You are sulking. I seriously disagree with you. if Obama picked Clinton.it would be a loose loose situation for him cause he would be seen as succumbing to the pressures of the Clintons and not necessarily the will of the people. How can one person hold captive the fundamental american right to cast your vote for the best Candidate besides waht is the differene between Biden and Clinton in terms of experience or you want Bill to be a third wheel in the White house. The democrats have spoken. Win or loose I will forever respect Obama for not succumbing. It already shows good leadership skills. I have respected the Clintons for yeard but its time to turn the page. If she does run in 2012. i wil nto vote for her, She has lost my respect in the way she conducted herself this election.

merge:
Same way Obama voted for Joe Biden, who is the status quo. He preaches change but with his VP choice proves the opposite.

I will not be casting my vote for Obama because of Joe Biden, What Biden offers is not a safeguard to Obama's so called inexperience but someone who will challenge his decision making process in an effort to create an atmosphere where the commander in chief will make effective decisions.

Now what does Palin offer Mcain?

If Cinton supporters (I.e obviously women) vote for Palin because she is a woman then obvious they are thinking with what is under their skirts as a matter of fact. How in the hell would you throw away your vote liek that with all the cirtical issue at hand and what direction the country should be moving.

To hell with them . How much concession are they asking for. if they do vote Mcain and he wins by that particular margin then ti only confirms the fact that women are really not ready to lead this country since they are too tied to their emotions than their intellect.

I would have voted for Clinton regardless of the gender because she has goo qualities of leader in experience and drive.

Its better they stay home and cast no vote than vote for the opposition in spite. Thats not using your brain.

davidylan:
you don't understand genetics yourself. Variation is a random event, why is it something that has occured wholesale to the jewish race only and no one else?

Go to Brazil (not the one you see on TV once in a yr), much of the population is actually black (u wouldnt be able to tell the difference from other African blacks).

I can equally show you a brazilian who looks no different from a Ghanaian.

because it is black.

Have you compared them side by side before and confirmed this fallacy?

See pictures of Anwar Sadat below.

Sephardic jew refers to jews from the Iberian peninsular - parts of Spain, Portugal and France. Clearly Europe.
What a ridiculous shame.

Because it unfortunately is . . . see above.

Yep actually compared them side by side and the results still the same.

Anwar Sadat is a poor example of a typical coptic egyptian seeing that his mother was a sudanese lady.

This phenomemon did not only occur with the jewish race. I gave coloreds that live in SA that one doesn't make sense to you, I gave you brazil but you ignored that one too obviously cause genetics plays no part in your equation. how a people look 1000 years ago is exactly how they will look like today even when you factor in volutanry or involuntary migration and obvious gene flow thorugh these populations yet a very high percentage of black brazilians cannot be matched eyebrow for eyebrow with a congolese African in just 400 years. For you no change. variation is random in this instance.

It is not intelligent to think that you could take hank azaria,Roseane bar, Donald trump, Seinfeld and stick them in ancient egypt match for match with your coptic egyptians and think that how they looked like today was how they looked like back then and don't tell me i am using today's racial construct to figure that out. It doesn't make sense to me if it does to you.

davidylan:
Morpheus, no point arguing with you . . . someone described another in a sense i think fits you perfectly - plenty of emotion, very little substance.

plenty of nonsense that does not answer the REAL QUESTION - how did the Jews suddenly become white? what were they 3000yrs ago? Where is the DNA evidence? What do you genetically define as white?

Pretending to no a lot of genetics does not phase me at all as long as you keep avoiding the real issues.

you make a lot of fuzz about genetics . . . you tend to forget that this time u're dealing with an entire race here. How did millions of people change genetical identity in less than 1000yrs? why did others not undergo the same change? Dealing with dumb people like you is worse because you actually think you know more than you do. you read off some "fascinating" stuff you don't understand and suddenly start clowning like authorities on the subject.

The jews changed genetic information overnight . . . and everyone else remained the same? Cock and bull.

You use DNA (less than 40yrs old) from ashkenazis and sephardic jews as evidence they were not once white.
Ashkenazi - german
Sephardic - Spanish/Iberian.

What of the polish, russian, iranian, tunisian, morrocan jew?

Its not possible . . you can call me an idiot if you want. Prove your case, its that simple . . .

your
Like you said arguing with you is of no use because your definitions are not consistent with mine in regards to race.

When you say middle eastern people are white or caucasian then of course my arguement with you won't make any sense.

You challenged my assertion that Jews became"white" just recently by ascertaining they were always white and nothing other than that.

I define white as being of European ancestry excluding the middle east and most parts of North Africa. You define white as caucasian people including arabs, semitic peoples and so in in your classification of race.

I use genetic markers to prove to you that jews do not have the same genetic make up as they once did 1000- 3000 years ago which illudes to their variations but you see that as nonsensical and having no bearing on variations in their outward appearance .

how do people change their genetic make up by migration. you dumb ass thats how theirgenetic makeup changes.

Stick to your definition of caucasian and White. IF you don't know what I am talking about its okay because by your very acceptance of the contemporary definition of white, ancient egyptians would fall into that category as well. Read a little more on race and anthropology as well.

I guess genetics are an arab propaganda as well. We can continue this thing forever if you so please.

davidylan:
Morpheus "educating" me? The same morpheus who thinks euroasian = race, is it the same one who didnt know that Egypt wasnt initially arab? The same morpheus who doesnt know who the copts are and can't tell what ashkenazi jews are? The same morpheus who perhaps thinks kurds and persians are semitic?

Not only do i worry about the level of education these days, i worry more about those who just swallow any gullible nonsense as a means of getting back at someone else. I might dislike someone, but not their views as long as they are proven facts.
To be honest, you really are a sad individual . . . no kidding this time around.

If you think morpheus is "educatiing" me then one wonders what you really have upstairs, i hope its more than cottonwool.

I didn't ask for a history lesson. You simply offered the information assuming I ever said euroasian was a race. Didn't say that neither did I say ashkenazi's were the only group of jews in the world but made reference to them to prove your point of jews always being white, neither did I tell mention anything about arab invasions in African that spread into iberia.

Please don't assume this is the first time I am hearing all this.

davidylan:
I find it a hard time believing that DNA evidence (DNA itself as a part of science is less than 50yrs old) can be used to "conclusively" prove the genetic make-up of a race of people who lived 3000yrs ago. Someone tell me i'm not reading double please.

DNA by itself isnt conclusive proof even in a court of law, it was not admissible in court for criminal proceedings until the late 80s early 90s. What DNA does is simply exclude or include a certain grp of persons by statistical significance, it cannot by itself tell you that Mr. A once lived in this city 900yrs ago and those 2 girls there are his descendants.

Thats how stupid you are when it comes to this subject matter,not knowing it is actually possible to do that.

davidylan:
1. You copied this, it is NOT your own write-up, kindly give reference next time as its defined as plagiarism.

2. This clearly says NOTHING about how the jews suddenly becoming white . . . what is the white genetic make-up? Is this widespread among ALL whites? Where did the jews pick up these white genes ALL OF A SUDDEN?

3. Look at the portion in bold - note the phrase "it is believed to . . ." , clear indication that as usual THERE IS NO CONCLUSIVE PROOF.

4. This claim talks about "middle-eastern" people . . . forgetting that the middle east wasnt what it was 1000 years ago!!! Iranians are persian NOT arab . . ., kurds are NOT arab, Egypt prior to AD 641 was NOT arab ditto for Libya, Jordan, Lebanon (which actually used to be christian until the early 1960s).

So when they talk about "southern levant" . . . who really are they refering to? ancient occupants of these regions or the present civilisations who call it home?

Source' Wikipedia: Topic Israelites.

you are a dummy explaining genetics to you is useless when you keep defining white in terms of skin tone. A haplogroup or clade preceeds a subclade in alpa numeric tems. The clade and subclades carry codes that detemine who our closet relatives and give us a clue to our outer appreances. Thats why when a white person has a child with a black person the child is intermediary because he inherits codes from each parent.Thats why people collect data so they can make accurate or as as accurate as possible decisions.you just don't get it. African American subclades are slightly different  from West African subclades which accounts for the noticeable difference in some of them. Though they still remain predominantly black due to dominant nature of the gene as it evolved first. If not for deliberate segregation you would have seen the faces of a different set of people much like brazilians today addding to the fact it has only been less than 400years since they moved out of Africa.

Maybe you want me to show it to you  in pictorial form for you to get it.

And please stop telling me about Kmt and black. The congolese black does not look like the Egyptian black yet you define both of them as negro/black. A sephardic jew is not white/European. An ashkenazi, russian, baltic., polish jew is. your clalim that I don't know the diffence is stupid.

Again it bokd down to yoru definition of black. Thats the premise.