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PetroDollax:
Can you imagine You, a Nigerian, asking me a Ghanaian, what is honourable about being a Ghanaian? are you okay? even you, a citizen of nigeria claim there is something honourable about your country, and you are asking me what is honourable about being a Ghanaian.

well, I tell you a few reasons, just a few reasons, why I can afford to celebrate. I can celebrate the fact that my country is not the poverty capital of the world the undisputed champions of world poverty ;

1. An inference on data presente is combination of variables that point to a probability or confidence level of a "observation" being made. It is not definitive.

2. If point one flew over your head let me break it down for you. There are several variables or inputs that lead to certain conclusions, however raw data is simply that "raw data." The inference is suggestive and not conclusive.

Case in point. Botswana has a much higher GDP per capita in comparison to Nigeria. At first glance at this statistical information, this would seem that Botswana is doing far better than Nigerian in terms of GDP per capita, however if you take in consideration that there are only 1 million people in this country and close to 200 million people in Nigeria that would shed more light in comparing apples with apples.

3. Numerically speaking there are more rich people in Nigeria than there are in Ghana but an Olodo like you cannot comprehend that analysis.

PetroDollax:
D I can celebrate the fact that 90 percent of my people don't survive on less than $2 a day. I can also celebrate the fact that life expectancy in my country is not 45 years and even 80 percent of my people have electricity all the time I can celebrate the fact that kidnappers have not overtaken my country and my people can sleep with their two eyes closed at night

Point 1. This has nothing to do with Honor, so you haven't answered the question.

Point 2. Again statisticaly analysis is an inference on data. There are more people in Nigeria than there are in Ghana therefore the rates in comparison to Ghana will be more.

Point 3. Life expenctancy in Nigeria is 54 years and in Ghana is 66 years, get your numbers right. Again statistically speaking these are averages and not absolutes. This means people die young in ghana as they do in Nigeria from the same ailments however the rate in Nigeria is higher. Many variables are used to determine this as well. This does not make you a Ghanaian more "honorable" than an average Nigerian.

PetroDollax:
I should go on? because there is a lot more to talk about why I can celebrate being a Ghanaian today. Fuckeduppedness

fuelish pathetic maggot

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You haven't answered the question, you've just danced around it. The statistical points you have made doesn't ensure that you will live longer than me nor does it say you will make more money than me, it simple states that there is a better "potential" so your celebrate is mute my Olodo black star brother.


Please try again.

CTPlayer:
Color based hierarchy systems exist globally where the workers are darker from being in the fields and the administrative class
works inside and is lighter.

I no know where you get this kind reasoning from but okay??

compton11:
I'm talking about brazil

If the Brazilians want to breed out black genes from their society that will be very difficult for 2 reasons.

1. Melanin in Black people is a dominant gene and will express itself more so than not

2. Caucasian upper class whites tend to have lower birth rates.


[quote author=compton11 post=81190835
whites don't want that, they want country like Argentina,they even have mestizo in all Latin America,and that doesn't even suit the native America.[/quote]They've been trying to do this for several years. It will not work in a country like Brazil where the African gene is already entrenched in the gene pool of the population.

The best they will get will be brown skinned people not Whites.

Miaraka:
Please don't call us a xenophobic country. You can't prove that your countrymen were killed by South Africans but we can prove that most of the Nigerians who got killed here, were killed by their own compatriots. Even your own diplomats have told you many times about this but you prefer to cling to this insult to our nation.

Don't mind my brothers, they like to create rockus, it joblessness.

Miaraka:
You probably don't know or even care to know that the greatest majority of Nigerians live here happily as students, workers, experts, religious leaders, cultural activists and business people.

This is true.

Miaraka:
We don't really care about Shoprite and MTN, whether or not you close them down. The vast majority of my countrymen are not shareholders of those companies. Their further presence and operation in Nigeria doesn't change the price of bread for us. It's your sovereign right to take decisions on the matter.

You may not but big business will feel the effects. A great chunk of their revenue stream comes from this country.

Miaraka:
Come to South Africa and see us enjoying life with normal Nigerians, Ghanaians, Ivorians, Mozambicans Zimbabweans, other Africans, Asians, Americans and Europeans.
Our government's decision to invite President Buhari to South Africa is not a sign of weakness but wisdom. Nigeria and South Africa need to work together in partnership and effectively address the challenges that plague them and our continent.
I hope that the Nigerian delegation will have the time for a detailed presentation on the crime situation, the role of some Nigerians in it, including how and why they even kill their compatriots.

Its really big business that is forcing the government to address the agitations. While a majority of law abiding Nigerians reside in South Africa peacefully there is a need for the perception by Nigerian and South Africans in general to be re imagined so the unscrupulous ones do not hijack the narrative.

PetroDollax:
if you didn't get the meaning of what I said, that means you are not sharp, very dull. Super Olodo
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You see when a person is simply pressed to defend his position and he cannot answer a question this is what he does.

What's hard in enumerating what is "honorable' about being a Ghanaian. What is the "honor" you speak about that makes you happy to be a Ghanain?

Olodo Black Star!

compton11:
atleat France and England are European countries but Brazil ain't no European country, so inehich mean you support that Brazil racial purity that will wipe black out of existence?

1. How can you wipe blacks out of existence, there is close to 1 billion of them in Africa and may other "black" nations in the Caribbean.

2. Latin Americans are about to constitute their own racial category in the near future as they are a combination of three distinct peoples who will inevitably morph into a new identity so it is not possible to eliminate the African genes in their bodies, it will always manifest itself because it is a dominant gene and will remain part of their biology.

compton11:
I didn't say mullato are born out of wedlock,oh the BASTARD I used doesn't mean that in Yoruba land,we used to refer it to sellout people or bad children.

on racial whitening
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_whitening

in brazil, you will see a black mother telling their children to bring white partner so their color would be purified from the curse of ham,Brazil called in branqomieto

the picture below is about the book wrote in 1970s,a black grandmother thanking God that his mullatres child gave birth to whites that purified her family from the curse of ham,the husband is that white guy.

I have seen that picture several times and know what it implies.


Societies that have created a color hierarchy and reinforced that with equating success with the level of your melanin level will produce people who will conform to this format. It is prevalent anywhere this is established.

Many African migrants once they land in places like France or England will marry or breed up the color spectrum to enable their offspring a better chance in a society that values color as a position of priviledge.

Nothing special about Brazil.

PetroDollax:
“Fellow Anglophone African brothers-in-law” my azz. Go look for your “brother” -arrant crap!

If you didn't catch the sacarcism in my statement you must be very slow.

Olodo Black Star!

PetroDollax:
Stop talking like a fool, maggot. Being a Ghanaian is an honour so deal with it, stvpid fvck! You fools can kill yourselves. Who gives a fvck? Nonsense upon nonsense!

Please explain what is "Honorable" about being Ghanaian. In other words please explain what trait you have that is non existent or unique to Ghanaians that is not replicable in a Nigerian.

Olodo!

compton11:
u are asking for prove and u knew all this bro!

The proof I asked you for was how you can show "evidentially" that the brazilian society is trying to Whiten their skin and that a majority of Mulatto's are born out of wedlock.

If you can't show that then please don't exchange words with me.

AmenhotepZuid:
WE WILL Bleep U UP ZOOGERIANS ASK GOODLUCK JONATHAN WE STILL HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. SA can clean u up.....

This guy reminds me the guys that posted on the African Military Thread years ago.

Spambot will soon ban you.

PetroDollax:
This is funny and very true. Nigerians will kill each other like rats and nobody will talk. The moment a Nigerian is killed abroad, come and see......its all crap!

For a Ghanaian you are quite S.t.u.p.i.d

Premise 1. Nigerians kill Nigerians in Nigeria

Premise 2. South Africans Kill Nigerians in South Africa.

YOur conclusion; Therefore killing Nigerians makes sense.

Olodo black Star!

zhike:
Nigerians will surprise you, They always say they are smart/ clever people but they are busy destroying their own country.

Because there never was a country in the first place, there was a contraption.

Olodo!

PetroDollax:
Fuckeduppedness Ghanaians did not kill nigerians. Ghana did not destroy nigerian properties. They simply asked nigerians to go and nobody looted or molested any nigerian. Unlike you nigerians, who chased Ghanaians out of you country in 1983 and 1985. So Ghana has to carry out it its own mass deportation of Nigerians to make it a 2-2 draw affair. That mass deportation of Nigerians from Ghana is currently loading yeye dey smell

I pray it happens as soon as possible so we can draw the line in the sand and know where we and our so called fellow Anglophone African "brothers' Stand.

I hate pretend love.

zhike:
Nigerians will surprise you, They always say South African are Xenophobia to other Africans from neighboring state while they are Xenophobia to their fellow Nigerians/ Tribes (Tribe killings).

Olodo. Tribalism means one thing, Xenophobia means another.

You cannot be Xenophobic to your fellow country man.

Olodo!

zhike:
Nigerians will surprise you, They always say Nigeria is better than South Africa but all of them want to come to South Africa.

Rephrase that statement. Not "all' just the visa rejects who couldn't make it to civilized countries will settle for South Africa.

zhike:
Nigerians will surprise you, they complain about one Nigerian killed in South Africa, while themselves at Nigeria they are killing each other like animals

Illogical argument.

Premise 1. Nigerians are Killed in Nigeria.

Premise 2. Nigerians are Killed in South Africa

Conclusion; Because Nigerians are killed in Nigeria, therefore there is nothing wrong with them being killed in South Africa.


Please try again!

bjnorl:
pardo. In all Latin Americans countries whites are the elite. That is true the country have a strong racial inequality. But we have the same racial inequality of all latino countries. The argument " uh White Brazilians are satan is fake. We have many sucessfull African Brazilians. But the media only shows the bad side. Black people in slums, black people in poverty. In my work we have 7 black workers and 7 white, 2 mixed. Including a black psychologist.

You are correct in asserting the fact about hierarchy of color or colorism in Latin America. This has been practiced and is still prevalent today in many aspects although there has been a movement towards daker skin people being more proud of their heritage.

Brazil is no exception to this elite rule that has been practiced for a very long time so anyone pointing it out is simply reiterating what we already know and have witnessed for a very long period of time

Case in point: see pic of senators vs average football players in Brazil

In the mean time let's celebrate Nigerians that are taking us to greater heights.

This is one is for AKA and his jealous azz

Naija no dey carry last ever!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgXrOsE5hE

compton11:
most of those mullatoes in Brazil are bastards,they always side with the white again the dark skin Brazilian for the fact that the whites are oppressing them too,they are also involve in racial whitening of Brazil

Please can you show us proof of this or are you just mouthing off like a typical ignorant Nigerian.

bjnorl:
Yes I know. In my opinion we ( Brazil) have the most beautiful mulattos. But doen'st matter African Brazilians are beautiful in all shades. Brazilian actress Cris Vianna is stunning. She look like a black Barbie.

I would like to add that a Mulatto technically is a child of an African and a European as opposed to a Mestizo. If this is agreed upon then in fact Brazilians in general will fall percentile-wise somewhere between all three ethno groups: African, European and Native American.

96% of the Africans taken ended up in South America and only 4% in America.

MduZA:
,you and I come along from very far,from the time you were selling fake DVDs and cds in hilbrow ...i tried hard to be combative so that you could go down to the level of insults I know you of ....your resistance in maturity disappointed me!

The comment above about selling DVD's simply confirms my earlier assertion of the inability of yourself to see past what you have been unfortunately subjected and subjugated to seeing as the real world.

I am sorry that your country absorbed an overwhelming number of visa rejects to the developed world who found contentment in arriving on your shores and assumed they had arrived in a civilized society because of the infrastructure but this fact has also dimmed your senses of believing anything glorious can exist past the Mpumalanga province.

Shame ***in south African accent*****

MduZA:
I thought you have intellectual capacity to comprehend and contextualise the content of my sentiments,debating with you is just another futile exercise but understandably so as you are not different from many members I come across on this platform...

Keep your beautiful Nigeria ,let me keep my dirty South Africa!

Hahahahaha, Mduza I have been forcing you and your fellow compatriots to face some of your nonsensical arguments and come to terms with South African ethnocentric tendencies, a carry over from Apartheid.

Redherrings and strawman argument tactics will not help you here. I will never support nonsensical reasoning no matter what side is spewing it be it Nigerians or South Africans.


Shikena!

MduZA:
I dont expect you to admit anything,its in your DNA to go as far as denying that Johannesburg is in south Africa..thats why you keep on basing your arrogant argument using cape town as a case study,

So now we have shifted the drug reference from cape town to Johannesburg. I thought you said prior to 94 there were no drugs "on our streets", so Johanesburg is the only city that has streets in SA. Hmmmm

MduZA:
Hey poor Nigerian I was born and grew up in Joburg ,I'm telling you that there were no drugs in our streets prior 94,but as expected you keep on singing your frog song,you cant even substantiate your claims regarding immigrants who worked in our mines prior 94...we had no issues with immigrants then ,we have no issues with immigrants now ,we only have issues with drug dealers and human traffickers..

I wish I were poor, fortunately I was not but I don't like to brag so lets just say I am pretty sure that I had a far better child hood than you did but that's besides the point.

As regards substantiating stories just go ask a southern African miner in pre 1994 Johannesburg and you can clear your doubt.

You are changing the premise. I never claimed you have issues with "immigrants". Chinese people are immigrants, Europeans are immigrants, indians are immigrants.

What you do have is issues with African illegal immigrants that are engaged in illicit activities, African economic migrants that compete with your under skilled workers and "Nigerians" in particular because of their audaciousness.

MduZA:
It is unfortunate that these criminals are diluting the good image and reputation of hard working innocent immigrants,my good friend from Ghana can attest to that...I agree with your sentiment that our government is failing to address the issue of illegal migration,this is the sole reason which led to some unfortunate actions by some of our people...nevertheless it is apparent that our law enforcement officers have woken up from slumber,I advice you to renew your asylum seeker documents my Nigerian friend or else free ticket to Lagos is inevitable!

MduZA

1. Nice try on the asylum seeker, I "fortunately" do not live in South Africa but have enough experience and insight to comment confidently on what I have seen and know which is why you do not counter what I say but rather shift the arguement.

2. Don't you have good friends from Nigeria too or are you insinuating that you can only be good friends with a Ghanaian.?

3. I actually want them to sweep out as many people as possible back to their countries, there is no need for these people to continue to reside in a country that is about to explode from pent up anger and self hatred looking for scapegoats to lash out at.

MduZA:
We had no problem with immigrants working in our mines ,it only exists in your imagination as a weapon to back up your fallacy which you Nigerians fabricate in order to blackmail south Africans as if we hate foreigners...

1.I never made the claim that South Africans hate foreigners, that's your guilt conscience at work.

2. It's no black mail at all, you just need to ask an old Malawian,Mozambican or Zimbabwean migrant worker pre 1994 how peaceful those hostels were with everybody speaking fanagalo and getting along fine fine!.

MduZA:
There were no drugs in our streets prior 94,stop dreaming,do you even know how the police of the apartheid regime operated or you are just falling to admit that there is something wrong your compatriots are doing to an extent ordinary south Africans rise up?We don't hate foreigners,there are people from Ghana,Senegal,Cameron etc living in SA,we love them,we only hate drug dealers and human traffickers,period!

Mduza

3. Yes, there were no gangs in Cape town prior to 1994. I wonder what the gangs did for a living or how they raised money. I am guessing there were turf wars based on who could catch the most fish and sell by the water front?

4. I wonder how all those mixed race kids born to foreigners in the 70's and 80's came about if women were not prostituting themselves and mingling illegally in your down town clubs. Hmmm?

5. There is everything wrong with any Nigerian in South Africa engaged in illicit and illegal activity. Its quite clear, if the police conduct a sting operation and catch people who are illegally in the country and engaged in illegal activity of the serious nature, charge them to court, expedite deportation and send them home. You fail to see that there is a problem with the inability of your government to enact, enforce and channel resources to taking care of this task, they would rather spend the money on ANC rallies and trips to China e.t.c while keeping you engaged in fighting people that are hungry like your. You don't get it do you, you are slow my friend

MduZA:
Your long essay explains nothing,what were the issues we had with foreigners prior 94?

1. Simply ignoring the points I made as explaining nothing is disingenuous, you didn't address if each of them was factual or not as opposed to meaning nothing.

2.I stated that before and will state it again, you had migrants from other countries that came to work in SA pre-94. You had problems with them in terms of competition for work, pay, housing in hostels e.t.c., but not to the same pronounced scale that is related to the influx of migrant groups growing exponentially post 94.

3. You had gangs, drugs and prostitution ripe in your communities pre 94 but not to the exponential levels so please stop painting yourselves as victims or innocents.

MduZA:
South africans have been living in peace and harmony with African immigrants particularly from neighboring countries but things started to change when our boarders were opened for our so called brothers from Nigeria,we started to witness some of the crimes which were foreign to us(drugs-dealings and human-trafficking),this criminal element went as far as establishing gangs amongst Nigerians themselves which are deadly fighting each other,unfortunately no Nigerian is willing to acknowledge this.

Point 1. You were not living in peace and harmony with any African immigrants. You always had issues with foreigners particularly from southern Africa who competed with you in the mines and other sectors pre 1994 so stop trying to paint yourself as innocents.

Point 2. Things started to change post 1994 when the economy was handed over to the new government and a major shift occurred in which transformation of the economy did not take place as rapidly as possible and unskilled and under skilled workers began to compete with their foreign African counterparts. The inflow of economic migrants increased and thus the pressure and negative social perceptions of foreigners in general began to fester in the minds of black South Africans.

Point 3. The Nigerians constitute a segment of this burgeoning economic immigrant class of which some specialized in certain types of illicit and illegal activity which was never foreign to your society in the first place. The gangs in the western cape always peddled drugs and were involved in prostitution rings as well. the 28, 27, dixies boys, Americans, mongrels e.t.c have existed in South Africa for a very long time. Your media simply looks for sensational stories to keep your minds occupied from the real powers.

MduZA:
We always hear of stories of Nigerians dying in the hands of south African police,when you dig deep down you will find that majority of those victims were criminals who die while trying to avoid arrests using all forms of fatal tricks.My point is Nigerians look yourselves in the mirror,surely you will find unwanted dots which require your own wiper ...or else the status quo will remain unchange unfortunately!

My name is Mduza,that's my personal opinion!

Point 4. I will admit here that Nigerians do kill Nigerians in South Africa anyone that is oblivious of that fact is simply being disingenuous.


Point5. Why should anyone die in custody of the police, is that person's life worth less simply because he is a Nigerian. Did this person attack the police, even resisting arrest does not warrant excessive force that leads to death. If arrested and found wanting, deport with immediate effect back to his motherland and mark the person undesirable. These heinous acts are neglected because deep down inside it comes down to teaching these "others" a lesson and not in terms of true justice.

Nobody is stopping you from cleaning up your streets, if you are going to do it. Do it well!

Lovelive:
But you are killing your own people here in Nigeria every single day so what is d difference ?

When a building collapsed in Lagos and a bunch of South Africans died, why did your government ask for a full report and investigation, don't people die from accidents

s.t.u.p.i.d reasoning.

Bantu education!

EVarn:
This is quite unfortunate indeed. Allow me to assure you in the strongest terms possible that the FRN will,if pushed to a breaking point on this issue, exercise vigorous and robust measures against the RSA. Nigeria and South Africa are brothers and we shouldn't let the activities of a few misguided elements on both sides jeopardize our cordial relationship.

I would term the relationship of Nigerians and South Africans as very distant relatives, nothing close to brotherly love at all.

EVarn:
Nigeria has long had a policy of non-interference in the affairs of other sovereign states,hence, I don't understand what you mean by being "dictated" to. We are merely trying to safeguard the lives of our citizens in your country,same thing your government would have done if the case was reversed.

I will urge you to play your own small part in enlightening your people against the evils of xenophobia and other such criminal enterprises. While we may currently be facing grievious security problems of our own,we are keenly aware that the Republic of South Africa has the world's highest crime rate and an unstable polity. However,that shouldn't be an excuse to neglect the security of both citizens and non-citizens. We hope this issue can be resolved soon.

I couldn't have put it any better.

orisa37:
Morpheus24. Thank U.

1.The Fulanis are Arabs, Ishmaelites, Moslems, Muslims, Hargarites and Islamists. Check God's Policy in Genesis 16:12.

Let me clarify and expand on some of your statements above.

1. Fulani's are not Arabs, they are however Arabized West African peoples that took on may Middle eastern cultural practices and its religion as well.

2. The point about being Ishmaelites, Hargarites ,Midianites again is irrelevant to the problem, these are all borrowed folklore from Arabia.

orisa37:
The Arabs have not sat down well to understand Islam in meaning and in content.

I would say here that Northern Nigerian culture is a struggling reminant of Islamic domination/culture from North into West Africa. It struggles to appear progressive but is captured by its own history and religious restrictions, making it extremely incompatible with Southern culture. The sooner we come to concensus about these differences the better off we will be, but alas the name of the game is POWER!!

orisa37:
2. Nigeria's many ethnic groups are naturally categorised into three-Yoruba, Ibo and Hausa. The Division of Nigeria into 36 States is of immense Progress and Foundation laying Policy for all future progression and giration for Unity, fame and popularity of the Country. Buhari seems completely impervious to reasoning of granting freedom to act, interact and move around to other ethnic groups than The Fulanis, who are just immigrants in Nigeria.

I would much more prefer we go back to Regional government as is practiced in South Africa where provinces encompass usually more than one tribal group but are still able to maintain cohesion because the emphasis is much more on development and social issues than religion or ethnicity. In its short run that country has already had Presidents from 3 different ethnic groups taking into account there are only basically 11 official Languages with a couple of them being mutually intelligible.

orisa37:
3. The way Buhari is dulging the granting of full autonomy of Police, Resources and Elections Control to the 36 States smacks of lack of insight, hindsight and foresight. That Sokoto/Rivers, Ogun/Yobe or Ondo/Kano might have relative Mergers, Conglomerates and Commonwealth is beyond his imagination.

Buhari lacks Knowledge of Democracy.

Buhari is a relic of the old order of Nigeria and really has nothing to offer Nigeria in terms of unifying or mitigating tribalism in Nigeria, but to attempt to hold on to the order that has ruled Nigeria for the past 60 years.

XhosaNostra:
I just don't have the interest or time for another one of your waffling sessions. Keep it brief next time you decide to quote me or even better, don't quote me again.

Yes my usual waffles do require an intense cerebral exercise of which you obviously are not up to the task, nonetheless no one on Nairaland is beyond reproach.

XhosaNostra:
And your point is?

If you can't decipher that then don't bother because its quite elementary.