₦airaland Forum

SisterCaro:
if you didnt make it while staying in SA without proper papers it doesnt mean that those who use legit means wont make it.
There are many foreign doctors, entreprenuers, engineers, accountants etc. that have made it without much hustle.

I hope you are referring to the so called semi skilled who troop to South Africa in search of green pastures and not me directly.

If you follow this thread you will notice that most of the Nigerians looking for information about how to survive in South Africa are of the semi skilled type. They will usually overstay their invites and try to melt into the informal sector congregating in areas popularly inhabited by Nigerians in South Africa but will face Xenophobia and discrimination a lot more because even though they try to etch out a living they will be lumped together and refered to as "drug dealers" where ever they go.

Your so called doctors, accountants, engineers e.t.c are either transferred to SA from their companies, are well to do and can afford to finish their studies in SA universities as professional graduates and secure jobs or have enough money they brought over to invest in good start ups. These ones are not so likely to encounter your Xenos though they will experience some form of Xeno during their stay in the country.

Please no sugar coating.

PAINGAIN:
dude forget about that embassy stats. That's laughable. In joburg alone I bet u there r more than 300 thousand nigerians. I bet u, we have almost one million nigerians here in SA

You can bet all you want my friend but because most Nigerians are concentrated in urban areas and you see a lot of them at one time doesn't mean they are that many in a country that boasts 40 million Black South Africans. South Africans know how many visas they process in Nigeria and how many people they let through into their borders.

98% of Nigerians fly into that country and the remaining use land borders. The are only estimated to be about 5 million foreigners in South Africa. Zimbabwe makes up about 3 million, SADC about 1 million and the rest of Africa the remaining 1 million.

Stop peddling false stats about 90% of Nigerians are drug dealers because you see a lot of them concentrated in one are.

Centrifude:
No you don't have life outside of your computer dude!!!

says the Xenophobic South African.

Centrifude:
No offence but I think you've been spending too much time on the internet mate.

My lifestyle affords me this luxury and please do not even mention Yahoo Yahoo boy in your response. I am far far from that!

Centrifude:
This is a Public Forum.

This planet is a free planet as well!

Did you create it?

PAINGAIN:
that's bcus 90 percent of nigerians here are into selling of drugs,some out of frustration bcus of lack of job opportunities,no money, etc. I work for department of justice here in SA, 98 percent of court cases nigerians answer to are drug related and that is in almost every court house in SA everyday. So that's why naija people r termed drug lords. Its not an accusation, its reality.

Lets just do a little statistics here see how factual your numbers are. You say 90% of Nigerians in SA sell drugs based on your extrapolation from 98% Nigerian drug related cases in SA.

Estimated number of Nigerians in South Africa based on Consulate estimates.....about 400,000+

Take 90% of 400,000 this means that at total of number of 360,000 Nigerians in south Africa are drug dealers, pimps and the likes.


Do you see how st.upid that looks. If there were 360,000 so called drug dealers, pimps and the likes and lets say 30% had court cases,ti would mean that your justice department would be dealing with handling at least 100,000 cases of drug related crimes committed by Nigerians.

Lets say about 70% are prosecuted while 30% are able to slip through system, this would mean about 70,000 drug dealers are lavishing in SA African prisons.

This would lead me to believe that the SA government are not very smart seeing that the amount spent on a per person Nigerian in jail is more of a burden on their tax system that it would cost to just simply round them up and deport them.

Hmmm not very smart.


Please revise you stats!

SisterCaro:
some really are drug lords and some arent. Its as simple as that.

My sister the problem I have is the demonization of Nigerians in South Africa as drug lords. This perception is perpetuated by the media, the locals and the government by and large. I have mingled with quite a good number of Nigerians during my time in SA from; mechanics to waiters, to Doctors, politicians, engineers, teachers, shop keepers, barbers, bouncers, hair dressers etc etc. The so called drug lords and pimps usually operate within a restricted area which is an easy spot for police or the government to infiltrate and sweep out these hoodlums if they wish to do so. The rest of the Nigerian population are busy making a living for themselves.

Granted we are a very loud people and are a very proud people(especially my Igbo brothers down there), which depending on how you look at it is a virture or vice, we do not cause any harm to people, stay within our communities and are a very warm and communal people.

We do not constitute the highest number of semi or unskilled immigrants in that country neither do we as a collective sap the resources or benefits of that country. Most want to go to school and find a living for themselves.

We are however the most despised of all foreign nationals in that country and in my opinion are so, for our ingenuity,entrepreneurship and hard work by many who mask their envy and hatred within the "drug dealer" " drug lord" slogan.

There is no other country in Africa that I have been to nor worked in that this phenomena is prevalent and believe me I have worked in quite a few.

You people in South Africa should share the realities on ground for these semi skilled and unskilled people who want to go to that country so they are aware of both the good and the bad side of South Africa. You might be shielded away from these realities because you are able to live middle class and in the suburbs but for them this will be their reality.

Thanks!

LeSudAfricaine:
Ask your contrymen in Jo'burg that nonsense first

I have told all of them to come back home. The violent tendencies and Xenphobia of your people will catch up with them one day.


Please stop sugar coating South Africa for us here in trying to deceive unsuspecting Nigerians who are bent on traveling to your country that is a rainbow nation. They would be better of in China, Malaysia, even other African countries cept South Africa.

We need to make them aware of the situation down there so they are fully aware when they do get down there.

ucheokpara100:
very true that was why i told them when you are in nigeria u cant imagine how south africa looks like it's far beautiful than we think at home.

@ Ucheokpara

My friend, please tell all sides of your story properly. There is a sense of envy that exists with "some" South Africans on how business minded Nigerians are and how they are able to quickly build something out of nothing.

While we acknowledge that there are crooked Nigerians who mostly engage in drug deals please make it clear that there is an inherent dislike for Nigerians in South Africa because of this fact and most South Africans have a skewed perception of Nigerians in general and this affects the daily live of my fellow citizens who live in that country.

While discrimination is not overt in city areas and suburbs, there exists an institutional and societal prejudice that exists for my people in South African in general.

Make your money and repatriate it back home, Do not invest and build a country that does not truly welcome you.

LeSudAfricaine:
Alexandra, diepsloot are slums,\informal settlements Thembisa, Katlegong, Soweto, Gugulethu, Mamelodi etc arte townships

Bla bla bla

Why are you here?

OohLalah:
Okay, so Seppuku & Morpheus24 are the same person? Good to know, one should have figured this one out sooner as their obsession with SA gives it away.

You haven't been on Nairaland that long have you?

Seppuku is the alter ego of Morpheus24

14:
if Nigeria ever develops, it will see all of west africa immigrants jumping borders for better life in nigeria. How will deal with those illegals, worst than SA

This is what your SA is doing to countries like Zimbabwe then they turn around and ask why illegals are coming into their country. The wealthy are benefitting while you poor mumus are stuck with the consquences and yet you are ready to attack the immigrants. so called leaders of SADC

READ AND WEEP!

WHY ZUMA IS WRONG ON MIGRANTS
Farai Maguwu

As a Zimbabwean citizen and a civil society observer in the Kimberly Process Certification Scheme, I will never forget the destructive role played by the South African government in the looting of Marange diamonds and promotion of lawlessness and anarchy in Zimbabwe's multi-billion diamond sector between 2009 and 2012.

I am still shocked when I recall how South Africa overpowered the entire Kimberly Process Certification Scheme (KPCS) to push for Marange diamonds sales at a time civil society and some governments were arguing that more reforms were needed. As chair of the African Diamond Producers Association (ADPA) in 2011, South Africa threatened to bring down the KPCS if the export ban on Marange was not lifted. This it did with a facade of political solidarity, but in reality to safeguard its selfish business interests in Zimbabwe's diamond sector.




The Marange diamonds discovery was a great opportunity for Zimbabwe to lift itself up after close to a decade of recession. But due to South Africa's looting of Marange diamonds and failure to act responsibly, Zimbabwe slid into the category of resource-cursed states whose massive natural wealth does not benefit its citizens. Thus the complicit role of successive South African governments in undermining good governance in Zimbabwe, including resource plunder is the main reason why Zimbabweans are flooding South Africa in search of jobs.........



....................when I returned to Zimbabwe in August things had changed in Mutare both for the worse and for the good. There was massive wealth in the city. The cost of living had gone up such that I struggled to settle down. Landlords were now demanding US dollars and only those frequenting Marange were welcome as tenants. Then came November 2008 when government violently forced artisanal miners out of Marange. Seven months after taking over Marange, government announced that two mining companies, Canadile and Mbada Diamonds had been nocturnally licensed to mine in Marange.

Mbada Diamonds is a parity venture between the government of Zimbabwe through Zimbabwe Mining Development Corporation (ZMDC) through Marange Resources -- a wholly owned ZMDC subsidiary -- and The New Reclamation Group (South Africa) through Grandwell Holdings (a shell company registered in Mauritius).

Canadile Miners was also a 50/50 joint venture partnership between the government of Zimbabwe through ZMDC and a South African company, Core Mining and Mineral Resources. At first there did not seem to be much of a role played by the South African government in the events unfolding in Marange. But the silence of South Africa over the human rights violations in Marange was deafening.

Then things came to a head when Abbey Chikane, a South African national who was also the first chair of the KPCS, was appointed to monitor the implementation of the joint work plan agreed between Zimbabwe and the KPCS in Namibia in November 2009. On his first monitoring visit to Zimbabwe, Chikane refused to meet with the civil society. This despite civil society's frantic efforts to meet him. He came under a barrage of attacks from the KPCS family for failing to respect the tripartite values of the KPCS which comprises governments, business and civil society. It was hinted that his reports would be viewed as partisan.


On his second visit, Chikane contacted me for a meeting, following which he reported me to Zimbabwe's state security agents for allegedly passing on to him sensitive information.

This led to a dramatic raid of my home and office by police and CIO. The sensitive information was that human rights abuses and smuggling were continuing in Marange. These facts contradicted Chikane's pre-written report which claimed Zimbabwe had surpassed the KPCS minimum standards.

Meanwhile, while South Africa was busy legitimising the plunder of Marange through manufacturing misleading reports, its citizens and dodgy companies were silently stealing Zimbabwe's diamonds. In 2010, a South African national employed by Canadile Miners, [name withheld], was operating the Density Medium Separator at the Marange plant where he, along with fellow South Africans, went on a looting bonanza.

Mesmerised by his fortunes, he photographed himself with diamonds intending to show his colleagues across the border how one can easily get rich north of the Limpopo, that is, if he is South African. Cameras and cellphones were banned from the plant but this rule did not apply to South Africans. Canadile's licence was later revoked by government on allegations that the licence was fraudulently acquired.

South Africa's craving for Marange diamonds knew no bounds. In 2011, armed with Chikane's monitoring report, the South African government, through the ADPA, threatened to destroy the KPCS if it didn't unconditionally lift the export ban on Marange diamonds. During a heated KPCS intersessional meeting in Kinshasa in June 2011, the then South African's Mines minister Susan Shabangu stunned delegates when she went to the podium shortly after the then Zimbabwe Mines minister Obert Mpofu's to declare that South Africa was going ahead and purchasing Marange diamonds irrespective of the outcome of the intersessional deliberations on Zimbabwe.

As chair of ADPA, Shabangu led the ADPA delegation to Marange several times. They were granted "unfettered access" to Marange by the government.

Consequently, the Kimberly Process was pushed by ADPA, under the dominance of South Africa, to lift the export ban on Marange diamonds in November 2011. Marange diamonds became free for all. Successive Finance ministers in Zimbabwe have professed ignorance on where diamond revenue was going. It came as no surprise when government emerged to announce that alluvial diamonds in Marange were fast running out in 2014.

It is difficult, if not impossible, to evaluate how much Zimbabwe lost in potential revenue through illicit financial flows in Marange. There is no denying that billions in potential revenue were lost. If Marange was not an enclave economy, thanks to South Africa's sub-imperial and super exploitative role in the region, these billions in lost revenue could have helped to revive Zimbabwe's dying industry. Infrastructure could have been repaired. Agriculture could have been revived to save millions from starvation. Tens of thousands of jobs could have been saved and thousands more jobs created. But the hope of Marange has faded into the horizon.......................



..............................The question by President Zuma is rather unfortunate. How can Zimbabweans remain in their country when South Africa is undermining good governance in Zimbabwe?

How can Zimbabwe function properly when South Africa is undermining the constitutional role of Zimbabwe's parliament? How can Zimbabweans continue to live in a country they have no stake in?

Humans do not survive on slogans and nationalism. They need food, they need healthcare, they need education and above all, they need opportunities to fulfil their dreams.




http://allafrica.com/stories/201505110570.html

Penssuwa:
Hey dude, you dont have to be so hateful nah. If you cant love, atleast dont hate. Hate is too great a burden to bear. It can only get you obsessed. We all are attacking the SA's for so called xenophobia but we are nothing better and may even do worse if put in their shoes. Don't allow sentiment to becloud your judgment. Oba Akiolu's case and a host of others are pointers to this fact. One love

I don't hate anybody which is why I tolerate SAfricans on nairaland.

They also need to learn how to tolerate as well.

OohLalah:
If this is how you treat your junior brother? Then I would rather be your enemy any day.

You are not far away from this reality.

OohLalah:
Doubt it enough I really do not care. A very close friend of mine's older sister in London is practically staying with a Nigerian guy and all my visits are swamped with the mostly Yoruba so called sophisticated lot. In China I buy food for r igbo good for nothing Nigerians. Who stay outside hotels and littereng the streets offering to be porters. In Brussels, US Japan I do not even mix with them see them at a distance. Yes, I have met Nigerians outside SA.

You should go to places like HAvard, Howard university, Chevron USA, Exxon USA, Google, Microsoft, Yale, Duke, and the hall ways of universities across these countries and just look up Nigerian last names.

Just because you hang around certain people in a certain socio-economic class doesn't mean you know a people.

it is like saying the hostel dwelling Zulus in Natal represent the attitudes of your people world wide. Lazy, HIV, run away fathers who smoke Nyaope all day

OohLalah:
I really do not give a dam about the " we were retaliating" garbage. The fact remains it was done.

We are not arguing about if it was done or not, we are asking that you put it in its proper context because context is everything when making arguments.

OohLalah:
Why then do you think sending migrants away from our country to deal with our own economic issues through lawful ways is that much of taboo?
Why again?

Because you are a junior boy in Africa and your Seniors have seen these things transform from so called economic isolationist measures to outright GENOCIDE!

OohLalah:
By the way, I have been everywhere in the world started travelling as a toddler. Have met Nigerians in Asia, US, UK and Europe and your attitude is still the same.
If so many people have a problem with you don't you think you are really the problem?
Why not take the same advise to your brothers? Your advise stinks to the heavens, i tell you.

I doubt you have met any Nigerians outside of South Africa. I really highly doubt that

OohLalah:
Well, we would never know as Ghana must go was cold, calculative, evil and as violent according to different sources. You even took the hard earned cash from the foreigners and you think Nigeria's are smarter? Can you be more cruel than taking the foreigners money and allowing them to take home $20 nothing else? Stealing even their food? Nigerians have a sickNess that they see themselves in good light while seeing others in a bad light. You people need help.

IF you are to reference historical facts please do so with completeness and not excerpts that are obviously biased. You should also mention what happened to Nigerians in the 1970's under the Alien Compliance Order of 1969 in Ghana/.


This is the reason you need to re-educate yourselfs on African Affairs.

OohLalah:
Yes you are right the violence was unspeakable hence I am glad that our government is now doing what it was suppose to have done long time ago.
Migrants will leave eventually because we will tighten our laws and make it difficult for them to stay. We have learnt the hard way, trust me.
Violence should never had been an option if our government was not sleeping and opened our country to be taken advantage of. Btw, only 30-+% of migrants have petty businesses. So they will need to register them the idle ones are going to have to justify their stay and the aboutr department is busy drawing laws that penalize businesses employing foreigners without work permit.So migrants making money in our country without following the rules are going to find themselves in the cold. You see there many ways to skin a cat.
Now calm your nerve, we will do everything to stop the reoccurance of such and watch things as they unfold.

This is what they said in 2008. I wouldn't bet my last dollar on it.

You can take the illegal foreigners away from the Apatheid minded black South African, but you can't take Apatheid out of the Black South African


SOlution .... RE_EDUCATE YOURSELVES...CHANGE YOUR SCHOOL CURRICULUM....... exchange cultural ideas with your foreign black African population.....TRAVEL MORE.......SIT UP AND and become true leaders in instead of thinking the political, economic, infrastructural and social legacies you inherited from APatheid are you greatest achievements.....

Here are a few stories from your leaders. Please listen to your own former first ladies statements and look yourselfs in the mirror starting at 58 mins


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OohLalah:
Ouboetie weee! Just type zambian forums then check for the topic.
Once again we never threatened to withdraw our companies, youre the ones who threatened to kick them out. We are not crazy to leave all the investment we made in your country without get every penny worth on it. But if you go through with your threats with we all know was just cheap talk, then we will do the necessary.
Have a good night!

When a Nigerian wants to outsmart you in his own country, he does not use violent means. He simply systematically drives you out or over-powers you by share numbers and brain power.

Take note!

OohLalah:
You are the moronn hee calling people moronns. Why would we do anything? Its you that are threatening to do something about our investments in your country.

Boycotts to shut down business are an act of civil disobedience. Looting and burning people to show your government you are serious is an act of wounded and violent minds.

OohLalah:
Watch as we refuse to pay your scammers what they call compensation. Why would anyone come open a business without insurance when its a must to have an insurance for your business. So we must now pay them for doing something wrong? They were not forced or asked by our country to open businesses so as South African pay insurance every month to cover any losses at home or in business so should they.

The violent tendencies of the common South African on display. The simple civilized answer would be no, we are not paying you based on the fact that these are informal businesses that did not register with SAPS and therefore are outside of the sphere of government control.

Are you afraid of the Nigerians asking for compensation?

But of course your people have been bullied for such a long time so their responses are understandable

OohLalah:
Now, you must threaten fire and brimstone again and we're waiting to see if you can pull it off. Take our non payment as a dare. And pull the plug, you don't think we are dumb as to pull the plug on our businesses while still getting some cents? You do it chestbeaters!
And your saying is your west African self delusion that we do not care for. If you are home good then, help your country out you seem to have all the answers to SA issues.
Goodluck to ya!
#Saynotoxenophobia

Of course you wont pull the plug. ITs the money, so don't expect migrants who are making money to just up and leave the country simply because they are making money right infront of your eyes. Not gonna happen.

If you choose your violent ways to solve your problems you will be visited with the same. This is not 1964 South Africa where your enemy was the Afrikaner government. Welcome to the real world

OohLalah:
I don't really get you. What has SA site got to do with Zambia?
In that post as I said SA just want Nigeria out, because of your sick twisted mentality of milking every horrible situation to scam and defraud people.

Again point me to the Zambian site, I pointed you a SA site with comments on Nigerians and African migrants in general.

Can you point me to the Zambian sites, you earlier referenced.


PS, if you want us out then we want your companies out as well. As was explained before. There was a Nigeria long before post APatheid 1994,there will still be one long after.

OohLalah:
If you don't care that much about the "Euro-africans" why are you here day in and day out foaming on both side of your mouth?

Spin the question around, If you do not care about what Nigerians think of you, Why are you here defending your country

OohLalah:
We won't take anything from Nigeria but we will do what is right for our country and our citizens. You reserve the right to kick our companies and all investments made by SA in your country out, we don't care really. We were hoping for you to act but alas you're just a loud lot but just cowards at best. We were also waiting for a show down on the recall but you saw that you were the odd one out and shamelessly apologised.

Good! lobby your government to hurry up and act fast. This is the way to go about things or do you plan on killing more innocents to get this point across to the ANC. Please ask them to withdraw all Sa companies in Nigeria with immediate effect and go back home to find jobs for their unemployed. Lets see how fast your government acts on this one.

OohLalah:
Now, puleeeze don't phool yourselves about Africa's leadership. We are only persuing & strengthening our own economic and political growth. We could careless if Africa chooses a failed state like Nigeria to lead it as long they do not run down South when it fails.
But you know what? Like the pitiful embarrassing diplomatic outfit recall tantrums you threw no one will join you and we will only cut ties with Nigeria only. We will work hard to resolve issues with other African countries. We know you guys have no balls, you love groupies and you will find out that no one wants to join you and you will cry your past time song, why all of Africa hate us? .

You know there is an old saying on the continent you probably aren't familiar with. It goes something like this. " Put a Ghanian, A South African, A Congolese, A Burkinabe and and a Nigerian on a deserted island. If the Nigerian man goes left, after a lot of mutter and grumbling his counterparts will eventually turn left as well knowing fully well the resilience and the ingenuity of the Nigerian, he is bound to find an escape route on the island or die trying.

Other African countries curse Nigerians when all is rosy, but when it gets dirty well.... the above says it all.

OohLalah:
Btw, SADC is stronger than ever before at the moment which is what is really needed to move Southern Africa to a one African sphere that could trade, travel and live anywhere. Did you check the resolution from the past SADC summit? You will really learn we dont care much about Nigeria as long as we can uplift, develop and live in peace with SADC we would have won.

Small mindedness.....it runs rife in the black South African mind.

OohLalah:
Now Sir! Calm down and go home to build Nigeria, it needs you more. Please where can Nigeria lead anyone to? except to temptation.

I am home, m.o.ro.n

OohLalah:
Do you know you are currently borrowing externally after exhausting domestic financiers just to pay salaries?

*YAWN***,the usual diversionary tactic. What do salaries have to do with the problem of the influx of immigrants to SA and the inability of the government in SA to address underlining issues of Xenophobia.

Oh yeah I forgot, none of my business right?

vandalZA:
so Nigerian problems are much better than south African problems......so it all Nigerians receive all they service they need from government from electricity to tap and clean water from free education to free housing from free old age grants to child's grants I would love to be a Nigerian citizen one they to live better that south Africans

Highlighting Nigeria's problems does not erase that of South Africas.

Please they closed down the "is NIgera better than South africa forum" a long time ago.

This is on Xenophobia and influx of foreign migrants.

vandalZA:
but we are not comparable to boko H

No one said you were.

OohLalah:
Just Google Zambia forums that's what i did as well and that's how i found Nairaland.

Please point me to a specific one. I can point you to comments made by South Africans regarding Xenophobia


just go to this site www.news24.com. The comments were so bad ahd hateful that in a thread titled "Nigerians seek compensation" the site admin had to shut it off.

Do you see that happening here on Nairaland?

OohLalah:
I think South Africans do not care about what Nigerians inparticular think anymore. No one will ever satisfy your sickness of wanting South Africa to fail. We all get that now

Nah its your sensitive natures that continue to dictate your reaction when criticized by others, especially the loud mouth Nigerian. It erks you when another person calls out your faults. Yet we are to sit and take insults from your media, your diplomats and likes who see other Africans in the light of "kwerekweres"

OohLalah:
We as a country and other countries are satisfied with all the steps taken and the continued debates in our tv, media, social organizations, religious organizations, our musicians have come together and released tons of records lamenting this act. All newspapers every single day tell good stories about brotherhood and a united Africa. We know it will not be enough but our government has send out ministers to the communities to listen and come up with solutions to change this by adjusting our
legislations and policies. Courts have been beefed up and time extended for prosecutions, Army for the first time in our history after apartheid walks our streets a rare and provocative scene in SA because of our history but we all think its necessary to quench this. However, Nigeria's want blood, they want us to slit our throats for tv to see that we are doing something? And to that we say f***ck Nigeria and to hell with everything you use to threaten us with.
Even SADC has come back to say they are satisfied with actions taken and will also share the blame **In Mugabe's own words.
So take your concern and sharve it where the sun don't shine because we now know its no concern but an attempt to kick us while we are down. Your diplomatic entourage recall was disgraced with not even one other country joining you and we called you bluff, only for you to turn back with your tails between your legs giving a half backed story about miscomunication.
To be honest, where most SAns are now is to hope for SA & Nigeria diplomatic ties to be severed completely so we will not bee taken hostage for every mistake we make.

I hope the ties are severed as well. We do not want Euro-Africans to be the leaders of this continent and we will continue to make it known through out the continent.

Please take back your companies, withdraw your embassy, close down your borders and revert back to the isolationist stance of the Apatheid government. Nigeria was around before an independent South AFrica. Nigeria will be around long after.

MduZA:
since you are a refugee living in SA ....i find your comments always amusing

TO the small brained, isolated in their province South African, all Nigerians are refugees, all Nigerians are Igbo and all Nigerians are drug dealers, therefore I take you insinuations with a grain of salt.

MduZA:
...you need to contain your anger before you go insane because neither Africa nor your Nigeria can dictate south African matters..

How can AFRICA dictate anything to people who do not even consider themselves "AFRIcAN"??

OohLalah:
So you agree your concerns are misplaced?

No!

OohLalah:
You are not leading by example when you are in a worse of situation. No one is making excuse for any actions but please mind your patronizing opinions.

I am leading by example. I have seen the aftermath of genocide before. I have been around a lot of refugees and displaced peoples so I speak from that position.

OohLalah:
Its amazing that countries like Zambia have taken the really big brother position even in this horrible time in SA's history not like Nigeria's who have milked this sickness for their own secret agendas by even using lies to attack the whole nation regarding this.
Go to any Zambian forum and listening the kind of discussions and advice given to SA to further avoid this. They have scolded us like true brothers but not condemned and call us names like Nigerians did. And still want to act as if they are concerned about us.

Point me to these forums. I would like to take a look for myself if you don't mind.

Ps. I do not speak for Zambians and so their responses compared to a roaring population of 160 million +10million diasporans would be quite disingenous in comparison.

OohLalah:
By the way dear Morpheus24, at least you seem to have given a diagnosis to our madness but left one important detail, what's your ( Nigeria's) excuse? What's causing your own madness as per your analysis you are the proper, sane and strong uncorrupted bred of blackness and Africans?
What's your excuse for the continued mayhem both political, economic and human rights abuses you seem to met on your own country men, citizens and fellow black men?
Please tell us oh mighty Morpheurs24, you see to best the guru in all matters South African.

Simple one word answer will suffice....."Tribalism"

If you are looking for more information, I would direct you to the tribalism forum where you are able to educate yourself.

In the meantime where are your own forums discussing xenophobia on the internet. WHere are your forums where you have discourse?

or do you prefer to sweep your problems under the rug so you can appear to the world as the "Rainbow" nation you obviously aren't.

At least discussing an issue on open forums actually disseminates information and exposes prejudices people have.

THis is a good thing in my opinion.

OohLalah:
Bruh, your concerns are valid but misplaced as even during apartheid less than 10th thousand people were killed. One would say different about Nigeria. Before you point a slit in someone else's eye you should take care of the log in yours.

So we must solve all the problems in Nigeria first before we see evils committed in other countries.


Hmmmm?

OohLalah:
Nigeria is the one experiencing genocide with scores of Nigerians of the Northern extraction are killed adapted daily for years while your government was folding its arms.The Fulani cattle headers are killing hundreds every other month and you are showing no concern.The ibos and other minorities are threaten succession and sabotage as we speak but you still find it your place to cry out future danger in a country that you do not even care for. Why?
Your most peaceful elections left hundreds dead and we see no outrage.

This is true but how does calling this out help the analysis of a possible occurrence of genocide in South Africa?

Did Xenophobia not happen in South Africa for the second time?

this not a South African topic?

Are there not scores of topics on the Nigerian issues you enumerate being discussed on nairaland ?All you need to do this scan through the comments and you will see all the outrage that will satisfy your curiosity


Do you want us to turn a blind eye to your countrymen's actions?

OohLalah:
Nigeria is the only other country that experienced genocide of the ibos with millions massacred and children starved to death.
So excuse us if we do not take your concern for SA seriously when you are in the worst ever position.
Please lead by example if you want to be the soothsayer of what is good and right.

African history lesson 101

Countries that have committed reported genocide in Africa are many, Rwanda being the most popular.

It is because of this that people like me need to continue to speak out when they see the warning signs in your country who just joined independent nations of Africa 20 years ago and think that what you are doing is anything new. We are leading by example

OohLalah:
Zuma had an imbizo with foreigner organization to find a solution to the Xeno problem. He even said he will not say some of the things the foreigner unions said about their countries so as to avoid further conflicts in their respective countries.
Its no being stupid but he will be engaging their respective countries about the accusations in a more diplomatic manner.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see there is an illegal immigration issue in South Africa. An imbizo with foreign nationals is window dressing.

We already know that the underlying reason for Xeno stems from the issue of redistribution of resources in SA, which continues to be a major issue that the government is finding difficult to handle.

Most illegals, asylum seekers and economic migrants are relegated to townships, adding to the number of individuals who are already economically disenfranchised. This is not rocket science and should take an imbizo to realize this. Form this you get an increase in criminal activity, illegal dealings and competition for the meager resources allocated to these areas. This also breeds resentment and thus you have XENOPHOBIA on your hands.

The issue really has nothing to do with the problem of the asylum seekers home country. You will forever have individuals who wish to flee their "cricumstances" in search of a better life. See the boat loads of migrants who risk certain death taking perilous journeys across the mediteranean.

The problem is focusing on reorientation, re-education and empowerment of the poor class in South Africa. When they are elevated they no longer see the "lesser" as competition and understand the resources within their borders can be controlled and manipulated by them.

If they cannot do this, they will forever blame the "other".


The United States is an excellent case study of this phenomena where you have close to 11 million immigrants yet no one realizes they are even there.