₦airaland Forum

axum:
Whats wrong with that pic? Poverty exists every where. Atleast we are a dignified people who are not savages and backward like you Bantus who hunt monkeys in the jungle.

UHHH, Duh We live in thick rainforests and as ex hunter gathers we are bound to hunt animals unlike inhabitants of the Arid regions of Africa with no food and therefore adapated elongated body types to better circulate heat round your bodies.

How is starving in the a semi desert dignified.


Check your brain "skinnie"

samtol4:
. Why the permits delayed so long? Now you want them to abandon their businesses and properties after 5years to 6years ?It is easy to say illegal immigrant be deported but most times we failed to find out why and how they became illegal, but I keep wondering why permit application can take so long even up to 5years . Why is SA home affairs deliberately delaying people permit? If someone apply for permit within a month decide the outcome and advise the person to leave if the application is rejected not after 5years or more . I know a Nigerian student who apply for study permit renewal October in SA application is still pending whereas his friend apply in Lagos and got it within two weeks To have permit pending is demoralizing the person can't go out of the country ,no access to banking talkless of overstaying .it is better to go home than overstay and be in perpetual bondage ..DONT OVERSTAY

The whole idea is to frustrate you so you abandon the application, become illegal and become subject to deportation.

Very simple

14:
Why do they overstay from the 1st place, its gonna be tough for them

You are just silly. Stop acting dumb

axum:
No wonder god made us the HORN of Africa

You really are bored aren't you.

BEHOLD THE BRAVE SOMALI SOULS!

Rotimi47:
Nigeria should just do the same to their diplomats & claim unknown policemen did it, probably it will teach them a little lesson. Just saying!

Retaliation is always a last resort for us.

We do not harbor such hate as sdo for us.

Reminds me of the Jews. They are hated so much around the world yet no one can really point to a major incident detrimental to human history they have been involved in??

LeSudAfricaine:
Of course it's impossible to have a mature debate or conversation with an slowpoke like you.

We've stopped mentioning South Africa,

Can you leave already?

I see your fellow SAffers are lurking in the cut waiting to pounce.

PRedictable lot you are!

Hi PUnkyOH!

Mekurexx:
I have come to the conclusion that nigerians in diaspora face little or no protection from the government. our consulate in other countries do absolute NOTHING. its just a shame really

There are some voices in the senate that are trying hard to raise awareness on the plight of innocent Nigerians who are maltreated and discriminated against based on their "nationality".

Embassies are there to just waste money on dinners and fraternize with local businesses. The ambassadors are there to line their pockets until the next administration sacks them.

LeSudAfricaine:
I'm reminding you of other stories so you can be mindful that before calling other people names, your laundry isn't exactly clean as well

I mean, who's laundry really is?

LeSudAfricaine:
Yes the BBC apologised, but this is Naija hey, and when there is smoke...

Its "where" not When

LeSudAfricaine:
And when did this thread become about South África? I'm saying like many other countries Equatorial Guinea views Nigerians with suspicion, how do you explain their cops singling you guys out for maltreatment?

If your sensitive azz stop mentioning your country maybe the thread will go back to what it was originally about.

How does a "diplomat" arouse suspicion. Was he carrying suspicious luggage on him, was he standing awkwardly?, was he dressed in a suspicious manner, Was he attempting to conceal a suspicious package on him?

The dude was probably your usual high and mighty pompous diplomat acting like a prick to the police officer and the guy took it out on him for having the audacity as a "foreigner" to stand up to a not so well paid local hungry Equato police officer.

Need we remind you how the Equato's treated their "Ghanaian" brothers during the African nations cup, earlier this year.

LeSudAfricaine:
From where I stand calling the whole of SA barbaric isn't exactly highlighting any plight, the aim is to insult

I am surprised you are insulted. In your responses you tend to say "Nigerians" and not "some Nigerians". Isn't that a generalization as well?

LeSudAfricaine:
The restaurant human flesh saga isn't the first in your country, there have been many incidents , a few months ago,in the same Anambra a man was caught selling human tongues, yet the nerve to call others barbaric!

We didn't ask you to mention other stories. We asked you to retract the false statement you made about a restaurant in Anambra state serving Human flesh". Please retract and admit to the falsehood of the story

LeSudAfricaine:
I ask again, which Nigerians were killed in SA? As long as you keep telling lies about my country i'm gonna respond
By the way who said anything about drugs? Nigerians by virtue of being Nigerian are treated with suspicion everywhere, your reputation precedes you!

I WILL GLADLY CLARIFY....
1...No Nigerian was killed in South Africa but Nigerians were among Africans treated for injuries sustained from Xenophobic attacks.
2...Nigerian business were attacked and properties were damaged.
3....Nigerians were therefore victims of Xenophobic violence in South Africa by viture of being foreigners aka as "Makwerekweres!


I don't know how to correlate being "suspicious" by virtue of being "Nigerian" and jealous and lazy people looting, stealing and injuring Nigerians who are at their shops fixing cars, running restaurants and carrying on with their daily lives.

LeSudAfricaine:
Typical nonsense from a propaganda influenced sheep! Who told you Nigerians were killed? You people are hypocrites, always yapping SA this SA that, forgetting much of the world doesn't tolerate you, whether it's -Indonesia, Malaysia, Niger,Japan, Equatorial Guinea etc, you need to ask yourselves why instead of shifting blame all the time accusing people of jealousy, you don't even like each other, it's alway Igbo that, yoruba that! And yet you want to be treated fairly. This thread was'nt even about SA but you had to drag our name in this showing how obsessed you people are! Please before you accuse people of being barbaric, check your own country where people sell human organs, where restaurants cook human flesh you hypocrite

Are you like lurking on all Nairaland threads waiting for South Africa's name to be mentioned or do you have some sort of control button on your computer that alerts you when a Nigerian mentions South AFrica!

Litmus mentioned the Xenophobic events in SA to highlight the plight of Nigerian diasporans..........not Nigerian DRUG DEALERS who are maltreated in other countries. I don't see why the correlation can't be taken into account when discussing this particular issue.

PS British media apologized for running false story on "restaurant serving human flesh". Retract that last statement

and as always SOUTH AFRICANS.. SAYNOTOXENOPHOBIA!


http://citizen.co.za/386535/sa-govt-agrees-to-xenophobia-summit/

Ihuomadinihu:
The pasted thread doesn't have anything to do with Central Africa. I would propose a northern migration pattern not this central Africa stuff you are trying to push.

excerps

"Basically, here it says the Niger-Congo speakers (also called Niger-Kordofanian) had their origin in the far east around the Nuba Mountains in Sudan (Kordofan region) and that they then spread to as far west as Mali in West Africa for their first expansion. It can also be noted that the E-M2 (E1b1a) haplogroup also is said to have its origin in the same approximate region. An haplogroup widespread among Niger-Congo speakers along with other haplogroups.

So basically, Niger-Congo speakers all have the major part of their origin from Sudan at a time probably preceding the Green Sahara period (with the northward shift of monsoon rains for many century). The Green Sahara period could relate to the period of expansion of Niger-Congo speakers toward the then green sahara to eventually reach Mali in West Africa."

I don't know about you but if I moved from the Nuba mountains across to West Africa, I know for sure I would have past through Southern sudan past the Central African republic through Northern Cameroon into Igbo land and would definitely not take the longer Niger-Northern Nigerian route

Ihuomadinihu:
The pasted thread doesn't have anything to do with Central Africa. I would propose a northern migration pattern not this central Africa stuff you are trying to push.

Lets see now, if the Sahara was an oasis before its desertification, this would mean that the migratory patterns followed a strict North to south "Route" moving people into savannah and sahel regions before moving into the more rainforest areas in West Africa.

Seeing that the Sahara stretches all the way to the Eastern end of Africa. This would mean that populations would be pressured to move not only North-West wards but towards Southern Sudan, Southern Chad, Central African Republic.

Therefore again, if Linguistic patterns are taken into consideration it would show that Niger-Congo speakers most likely took a route originating from Central Africa into the Southern regions of West Africa. There is no history that I am aware of that shows these Southern groups in West Africa were pushed out of the sahel-savannah regions.

Again, for purposes of these argument, SOuthern Chad, Central African republic and South Sudan are considered "Central Africa"

Ihuomadinihu:
This is a more valid explanation.
www.nairaland.com/1573374/early-history-niger-congo-speakers-igbo

In other words I doubt these proto bantu speakers moved North West wards all the way through what is Niger, through Northern Nigeria down southwards into Igbo land, that is if linguistics is taken in correlation.

Ihuomadinihu:
This is a more valid explanation.
www.nairaland.com/1573374/early-history-niger-congo-speakers-igbo

The pasted thread actually validates my point.

1. It mentions the desertification of the Sahara

2. It also acknowledges the North-central flow of humans into West Africa.

For purposes of this argument. Southern Chad, Southern Sudan, Central republic of Africa are considered parts of "Central Africa".

Ihuomadinihu:
Bantus expanded from Nigeria/Cameroon into Central Africa. And this only occured 3,000yrs ago.

1. Hence the use of the word "PROTO" in Proto-bantu speakers to depict the movement

2. If they were descended from proto-bantu speakers they would have diverged from this "proto" bantu group(early Niger Congo speakers) who originated somewhere central of Africa and obviously moved Westwards similar to other waves of Niger-Congo speakers in WEST AFRICA and not East or Southwards as the "BANTU" groups did.

Ihuomadinihu:
Am not talking about cultures but artifacts reflective of people within West Africa. What ancient central African cultures do you have in mind? Trying to correct your impression that Igbos broke away from Bantus. Bantus came from Cameroon/Igbo region.

The argument does not state that West Africa "proper" would not have older artifacts in comparison to Central Africa. The argument states that within the geographical area known as Nigeria, what artifacts/culture can be dated past those produced under the NOK cultures to support the notion that Igbos or any other known ethnic group were in this region and did not migrate from North or central to West( Taking into consideration the migratory patterns humans would take as the Sahara turned to desert).

Linguistic distributions in Africa are a strong indicator of migratory patterns and groups within the Niger-Congo classification would most likely have taken a central to West migratory pattern as compared to Chadic, Sudanic or Afro Asiatic speakers who would have taken a more Northern, North central route through the Sahel-Savannah into WEST AFRICA.

Igbos, therefore would mostly likely have been a wave of speakers coming from Proto-Bantu speakers moving from Central Africa

Ihuomadinihu:
That's a new one. Ancient artifacts in West Africa predate Central African artifacts.

The oldest cultures I know of within what is known as Nigeria today are the NOK.

Staying Within the geography of Nigeria and its ethnic groups, can you direct me to these West African cultures that predate Central African cultures?

ucheokpara100:
it means regardless of one's qualification when we come here without money at hand or surport from home till the person stabilize ( get job with the certificate which may take up to a year plus) else the only job we do for a start here are, security, bouncer, washing cars, cuting hair etc.

Thank you for elaborating.

Ihuomadinihu:
So in other words,Igbos migrated from Central Africa?

That is plausible but not definitive since the Igbo language is categorized under what is refered to as "kwa speakers" who are not prevalent in Central Africa.

Yorubas, Igala, Idoma could also be earlier waves from central Africa as well.

Fireflame144000:
I heard that R1b-v88 was a result of a back-to-Africa migration which is why people are fascinated about it, like how many Haplogroup s goes BACK to Africa? And WHY? Did they do it?Also, when the R1b went back to Africa, they moved out of Africa again and the second time they moved out was said to be around the time of the exodus. 95% of men from northern Cameroon/northern Nigeria has the R1b-v88. R1b-v88 also went to Europe and broke into the modern r1b and R1a, which is why Nigerians are NOT Europeans. The Europeans are Nigerians! Big difference.

Where do you get the 95% of Northern Nigerians carrying the R1b-v88 haplogroup?

Yes, a study shows back migration and some papers state the Haplogroups origins in the Iberian peninsula (Mostly Spain), a movement through the Meditereanean, to the levant and back into Africa then again back out of Africa into Europe

You need to realize that the Sahara was actually once Greenland and people inhabited those regions. It would have been plausible for movements to take place btw the Iberian peninsula and North Africa carrying this Haplo group to the levant as well.

The desertification of the Sahara obviously pushed peoples different directions within Africa, some of these carriers would have headed southwards to central Africa and to areas in West Africa today, Others would have head out of Africa as well. It is therefore not incomprehensible that migrations in and out of Africa would cause earlier variants of The R1b to exist within Africa.



As far as the Igbo are concerned, it is more likely this group are an earlier break way from Proto-bantu speakers from central Africa. Waves of migrations from central Africa would have preceded that of the Igbo as well. There is a phenotypical consistency of Central to West Africans as you move West. The differences become more apparent as you move deeper into West Africa till you get to Senegal.

tpiander:
has any one taken up this offer.

If a majority of Igbo do take DNA tests, it will not show European Haplo groups. African genotype is a much earlier version of other genotypes hence the ability to trace older Haplo groups back to Africa.

It should be noted also that these would lend crendence to the opinion that African haplogroups have the ability to generate much larger variants of skin color without the inclusion of out of Africa genes.

A consistency of lighter people within a population group need not be as a result of "Out of Africa" gene intrusion but could be linked to sexual selection practices( if this particular phenotype is culturally desirable within the group), Diet that also affects production of melanin or a retention of the particular gene that is involved in the quantity of melanin produced.

ucheokpara100:
ok sory i didnt see it, i dnt want to tell anybody lies, it's not my brother unless u will struggle and get their certificate then you will be fine cos the nigeria in our passport is a challenge to us in that aspect (trust issue) if u are coming be prepared to struggle despite the certificate. my write up is problm somtyms if u dnt undastnd what i wrote ask me again.

Can you elaborate on what this "struggle" will entail?, In other words a guy with an MSC in banking and finance will be employable as "What" in SA?

providence338:
Interesting. I would go so far as to say that even in the Old Testament times, at least until the rise of the Greek empire circa 300BC, North Africa was 100% Black.
Your response of just how 'mixed' the North Africans became opened the door to more questions.
But I'm still waiting for your response to my first 2.
So what say you about the Fulani's presence during Biblical times, circa 2k-4kya. Are they the Libyans? Canaanites? Cretians? Ludims?
Were these the people of Phoenician Carthage (Tunisia) circa 800BC? Or the Berber kingdom of Numidia (Libya) in 200 BC?
What were they called by the classic historians or Biblical and/or Islamic authors in ancient times?

I don' think the Fulani were Libyans or Cannanites. See depictions on picture below

Egyptian drawings picture Libyans quite differently from your typical Fulani looking person. They and Canaanites were very likely mostly sea peoples from the meditereanean coasts who migrated to African coastal shores and settled. You see Egyptians do picture themselves a little differently on the pics but I see them as intermediary to the Nubian/Sudanese and the Canaanite.

I do believe the Fulani and other ethnic groups did inhabit North Africa but I believe climatic conditions would have pushed them further West of Africa to the Savanna regions but over time they resettled and mingled with new tribes that inhabited the Sahara.

morpheus24:
Its not so sad when you learn how to dodge bullets.

Now can you South Africans assist the rest of these people looking for positive things to know about SA and stop making this about the GREAT MORPHEUS,

I mean I luv all the attention and all, only makes me more popular but I feel bad for some of them now!

LeSudAfricaine:
Niaraland veteran, lol....smh Such a sad existance

Its not so sad when you learn how to dodge bullets.

LeSudAfricaine:
He's no different to that psycho called All4Naijja

Poor thing. The difference is I tell the truth all the time. Unadulterated and unapologetic which is why you all can't stand it.

Morpheus says... "I have lived through your predecessors on nairaland. I will live past you all"



****FREEE YOUR MIND******

#SAYNOTOXENOPHOBIA

DieVluit:
The feebleness that is apparent for all to see is on your side. Even your countrymen have pretty much distanced themselves from you. You are a loner on the thread like you were a loner in South Africa.

Reverse Psychology 101

What are you doing on a Nairaland thread

DieVluit:
You know why you are a loner, my friend? You know why you are rejected both online and offline? You have no ability to attract other human beings. Be it girls, fellow Nigerians or South Africans. You then, having failed to win the other people over, decide you will hate them. But your hate for them simply pushes them further away. This then frustrates you to the point that you become obsessive. You are obsessive about South Africa for this very reason. But you only have yourself to blame for that. You are not a messenger. You are an outcast, my friend. The problem is not with South Africans. The problem is with you.

Projecting. I know your father left you when you were young. You must blame him for your abandonment issues.

Again.... I am not your "father" Dievluit....

DieVluit:
The South Africans did not reject you because they are bad. They rejected you because you are not wanted by them cause of who what you are. You are correct when you say that character is more important than nationality. Therefore you were not rejected cause you are Nigerian. You were rejected cause you are Morpheus. Again, the SA-SADC thing. Don't jump on it to try and explain your being rejected. You sound like someone who says Tupac was assassinated for political reasons when in fact he was shot because he was mobbing. You were not rejected for anything greater or along those lines. You were rejected because you are simply a reject.

Nice try

Psycho-analysis of subject Dievluit .... ...Projecting
Key conclusion of subject Dievluit psycho analysis.................Abandonment issues.
Key words to support conclusions of subject Dievluit ...........the key word "Rejected".....used severally in responses (See underlined above)
"Tupac" reference indicates subject relates to this character.... Tupac also experienced abandonment issues specifically, biological father.

Again no matter how hard you try to plant a "counterfeit thought" aka "inception" in weaker minds that read through your rantings about Morpheus, I am too smart for that psychological BS

Like I said the rational and reason is lost to you and will only drive you insane....."Like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad"

DieVluit:
What exactly is the legacy of apartheid and what about it? You just say things because they sound nice. It's been shown already that you know zero about South Africa. Also, the legacy of apartheid is clearly better than the "present and future" of Nigeria, given the movement of refugees from Nigeria to South Africa. You included.
#SayNoToSAPhobia. Stop the bitter refugees.

The bitter legacy of Apatheid where you were caged in bantustans and had to carry dumb passes just to move around your country.

In come the "strangers" aka foreigners.

Out comes the Madness called XENOPHOBIA!

#JUSTSAYNOTOXENOPHOBIA!

#SAYNOTOVIOLENCEAGAINSTFOREIGNERS!!

MduZA:
who ever takes your advice is doing it on their own peril....your bitterness is alarming,south Africa unemployment rate stands on 24% not 36%...you failed to make your mark in SA now you are trying hard to demonize her...you made a comment on this very thread that Nigerians parade expensive cars in front of hostel dwellers...in other words Nigerians are living large in SA...now you have changed the tune...
you are a fool

Point 1.......36% when you take Youth unemployment rate( underskilled and unskilled)....... 24 % on aggregate.

Point 2... Please be more original, stop stealing Dievluits Ammo, he has "abandonment" issues.

Point 3......Nigerians do flash expensive cars in front of poor hungry South African, fact.

Point 4... Your mama is the F.ool!

kachiz:
Lol, no I am not planning to go there for hustling.
My sister lives in Durban with the husband, they said the unrest wasn't everywhere like the way the media made it look.
If I am going there, it will be for MSc .

You are better off then going to the general inquiries Visa to South Africa thread here on the travel section. Lots of info for prospective students who wish to study there.

The OP's circumstances in Nigeria shows that he took a huge risk in relocating to SA and as you know Nigerians are very stubborn, until they see with their eyes. If you warn them, they will say you want to block their progress.

Even if you do finish school there, it is still difficult to come out and get something. The country is experiencing around 36% unemployment rate with the majority unskilled and under skilled making up the bulk. Professionals such as engineers, Doctors and the likes fair better because there is a need for them. All others will struggle for quite a number of years before they find their feet.

South Africa of 2000 is not the same as the one of today. Many social and economic issues are mounting and it is not the el dorado many seem to think it is.