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Read the post before mine that you quoted, I was just simply responding to the way he stated his point (I wasn't saying Sadaam was good). Of course many Iraqis would have celebrated Sadaam's death but not with this consequence. This war has been a failure is all I've been trying to say.

[quote author=I-man link=topic=50325.msg1152400#msg1152400 date=1180382824]Coming from an African,this is a disingenious argument.I have addressed this issue earlier.Take one salient example-Would you say that Ian Smith's minority rule in Rhodesia,now Zimbabwe,was a good thing because life has deteriorated tremendously under black majority rule with Mugabe?

All indices show how much life has worsened since black majority rule.Many white Zimbabweans who now live in England make the point that it shows that the British Govt was wrong to encourage them to cede power to the majority black population[/quote]You know what? I'll leave that to the Zimbabweans to decide. You can never know how people feel until you experience it. If standards of living has really deteriorated for everyone, then believe me there would be some people wishing the whites were still ruling. This doesn't mean I support the white minority rule, in fact I'm a 100% against it but you have to weigh the way life was before and after to make your decision. Is the freedom more important than food on your table

I know safer is not synonymous to freer but they're nonetheless linked. Safer means more freedom. Freer to go to the marketplace and not think about getting blown up. Its a senseless war without any justification. Ppl have lost loved ones for no just cause. This man has deceived and taken advantage of people. His war is a lie. I'll rather live in a safer than his so-called freer place.

Yes I would say they were safer. If the exit of Sadaam has made them show their so called true colors then I think the presence of Sadaam was a good thing. From what you are saying that means Sadaam somehow managed to suppress their violent ways.

Ok I read the previous and I think I might have just echoed what ppl discussed already. Back to the topic tho; Whats the use of a freely elected government if the citizens of the country are not free to live their lives? Those people, I'm sure, must feel more caged in now than before Bush's War Of Terror.

I feel like responding to I-Man and TayoD but too much has gone down since my last post (I hope I'm not taking the convo too far back). Anyway even if removal of a long standing administration leads to violence, at least let it be the people that would carry out the removal and not some Texas cowboy with a personal vendetta in addition to his greed. The issue at that time was 9/11, he was supposed to go after OSAMA. Attention suddenly switched from Osama to Hussein (Government Magic as Fela would say). Bush did not plan for this war they're fighting right now, he just thought they would go there drop Bombs over Baghdad for about 3days come home and sleep. How stupid and irresponsible can a man with so much responsibility resting on his shoulders be? I wasn't trying to say earlier Bush is responsible for all the evils in the world (don't want to flatter him) but at least he's the cause of the escalated violence Iraq has experienced in the past couple of years

Baro:
Good, i recommend "Miss you" and "Share my Heart" too

Another question; Any of the tracks as good as African Queen_{not in popularity, i mean good music}

Sorry to say but none of them came close but I'll keep listening to see if I'll change my mind

Truthfully, "All My Days"

Read my previous posts too, I already answered all your questions

what answer again?

@Baro
Pls go and apply at Fox News they'll hire u fast. U twist the truth too well. That was so out of context but its all good I see you have to result to that to win arguments. I'm not even mad atcha. Do what u have to do mehn.

@Baro

Funny enough, I completed your assignment. So whats your point? I'm not going to lie again the album wasn't half bad but it wasn't anything spectacular as usual. I think I almost prefer it to "Independent" even.

yeah thats it go out and speak better english and faze will sell more. Faze needs all the help he can get so if you think the "better english" strategy is going work, I no beef una. R.Kelly aint literate ooo but he's a superstar, KSA's english is bad but he earns more in one party than many people earn in 2yrs. Sing to me in French, if it sounds good I'm going to jam it.

please explain to us what makes an artist marketable? When has doing a good job turned to a bad thing? Your record label is supposed to use their resources to promote you. When you have a project that is has the potentials to make you a lot of money and bring you success it would be stupid and ridiculous for you to sit back and hope. You spend time, money, and energy to get anywhere in this world. If you're under a record label that doesn't believe in you enough for them to hustle for you then you have no business there.

Where do u get these things from? I said singles are supposed to be a reflection of an album. What makes people pick up an album? Maybe u just like the artist or in more cases than others you pick up an album from the singles. Again I have no opinion about the album, I never said anything about that album except that I couldn't be bothered about it. I have only said something about 2face's first album which without any dispute is one of the best things that has happened to the naija music scene.

What assumptions have I made about faze's first album? I have no opinion about it simple as that. I haven't heard anything that would make me go pick up the album and listen to it. Believe me no sentiments (not the first time mentioning that) I judge by what I hear.

Oo pls don't bring that guy's first album here. I can't lie, I haven't listened to the whole album but I liked "faze alone" but I could hardly get through "Angel Gabriella" and if thats a reflection of what was in the album I definitely don't want to waste my time listening to it. Singles are supposed to make you want to get an album those songs didn't do it for me.

Oh I'd forgotten faze fans depend on all these polls to prove he's better. Faze is a local champion whether u like it or not. How many people outside Naija know faze, google can answer that question for you. 2face's first album was such an incredible album that people have to refer back to it but Grass 2 Grace is good too so lets not talk like he's hanging to his initial success which he deserves to do by the way (afterall even Micheal Jackson still enjoys accolades from Thriller). What is on independence that makes it that good.? Faze did well but its not a fantastic album like you guys describe it to be. U can't mention naija music in the neck of my woods without someone talking about 2face and in some cases Styl-Plus or P-Square, faze hardly ever comes up. I'm still praying for the guy tho'

You guys keep talking about Akon signing faze but I still wonder why anytime Akon does a countdown for his best african artists, faze is nowhere to be found and 2face is on top of the list. Akon had already said he would like to work with 2face & D'Banj that was even before the faze deal.

For the person that said Biggie & 2Pac talk like stars, what does that even mean? FYI, Beyonce did her last album in a couple of days while she was on vacation, biggie wrote songs in a couple of hours not to talk of 2pac. Artists are generally respected when they can get their work done in the shortest possible time and come out with something incredible. Grass 2 Grace, whether some people like it or not is a great album so the time spent on the album is not something bad but actually something to be proud of. Lets not compare these two 2face is an international star, faze is a local champion (for now).

My point, in any case, is that Bush invaded Iraq without any just cause and he's the root of all the killings. I would never support the terrorists but Bush rushed into an unplanned war and the result has been catastrophic. Without the invasion in the first place there won't be all these senseless deaths. He has made an irreparable and unforgivable mistake which millions of people have and are still going to pay for.

One of the key points from that lady's statement is that Iraq is worse off now than it was under Sadaam and that to me has no justification. Children can't go out to play anymore, you can't go out to the marketplace without being scared for your life, thats a horrible environment to live in.

Lets stop all these stuff about the war in Iraq being used to curb terrorism. Its a fact that the war has made Iraq a terrorist breeding ground. I'm not saying there were no terrorists there before but their activities were contained now its free for all.

We keep talking about US and coalition casualties, do we ever consider the Iraqis? Those figures would never be released because it would reveal Bush to be a mass murderer even worse than Sadaam.

The purpose of the war has changed so much like the weather but one of them was to liberate the people. People are living in fear more than ever before those that can flee are doing so in huge numbers. Iraqis themselves are already losing hope that there would be any end to the conflict.

Bush should be hung, he made a mistake that has destroyed millions of lives and ultimately a nation. Lets pray nothing like this happens in our own country. If I had to choose between Abacha ruling us for the rest of his evil days and the situation in Iraq right now, I would go for Abacha anyday.

I'm still trying to find that "thing" that faze has to overthrow 2face thats what I've been waiting for someone to explain to me on this thread. No sentiments here just judging from their works and achievements so far. I actually think its faze fans that are quite sentimental. Mention 2face's achievements and they start screaming "kennis" or they just insult you.

@LORD 101

Why do u guys have to result to insults. You don't know me men. This is just a forum, give everyone the respect they deserve. Your so called meetfaze has nothing on there to compare to 2face's achievements so don't go there. I don't need to go vote for the dude on that website, he wins the important stuff and thats what matter.

@LORD 101

Don't worry what I wrote is what I meant. I see his videos on MTV Jams not MTV Base or Euro MTV or whatever MTV's are about the place. MTV Jams is strictly for Hip Hop mainly based in the US. Go ask anyone that has MTV Jams and they'll describe what they show to you. However, Akon came on the channel and did his top African artists list (not sure if the program was original to mtv jams), 2Face's Ole was number 1, again no mincing words here, numero uno. The sad thing about that list is faze was not on there. On Sunday, they showed another 2face's video not "African Queen" if you must know. This time they showed the video along with other regular videos and not any special program. I have never seen faze on MTV in the US. Maybe his time is still coming but 2face's time is here already thats the reason I keep saying they're not on the same level (at least for now)

I have started seeing 2face videos on mtv jams here more than usual. What does that tell you guys? Oh yeah I guess its Kennis Music telling 'em what to play

I guess my favorites are:

Dave Mathews Band
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Coldplay
Incubus
Blink 182
Cranberries
Green Day

I obviously can't answer all your questions, I'm not being paid for this but what tires me about this kind of argument is when people want to twist facts.

Tuface was EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE, the yr he won the MTV Awards. Tell me what song Keisha was nominated for that would have beat "African Queen" that year.

Millions of people around the world can't be wrong just go look for a thread about tuface even on nairaland and see how people all over the world proclaim their love for the song.

Tony tetuila won channel o award, for what song? So lets know if the so called talentless guy deserved it or not.

We have about 100million people in Nigeria, and people all over the world that would have voted for these artistes to win, DON'T HATE.

Arguments like yours make me come back here because how can anyone say tuface is not talented? how? do you even listen at all? or have u let your bias or hate for the guy cloud your judgement?

What do u mean tuface cannot represent Nigeria internationally? Please what has he been doing all this time?

I'll say it again AKON had a best African playlist on MTV jams, he showed a video of "Ole" I did not see any faze on that list. It could be argued that tuface's contract with kennis is still valid and thats the reason Konvict Music didn't go for him.

Akon himself has shown his love and admiration for tuface numerous times.

Wyclef went for faze? WOW!!! Again maybe I heard the wrong version but I thought Tuface did more singing that any other person featured on that song. I guess Kennis music also told Wyclef to let tuface sing for that long.

Please I'll say this again lets not argue blindly. Give props where its due. I think faze is good but I prefer tuface but you'll never hear me saying he's talentless. Tuface brought the modern age of naija music into the international limelight. People all over the world that get up and sing along or dance when listening to tuface has never heard of Kennis before. Go check youtube out and see how many versions of "African Queen" are out there, check how many comments his songs generate. Please don't say faze's album is Grammy material. Maybe future ones but not this one lets not deceive ourselves

Baro:
Glad to be a hater for saying the truth


Maybe you should go ask Okosi(MTV BASE MANAGER), Eddy Lawani(No 1 event manager in Nigeria) Ayo Animashaun(Publisher Hiphopworld Magazine)_{haters too} just to mention a few , they would tell you who won that award even though they love Tuface more than u do

Please say what you know, and don't blab.

Maybe i should let you know that FAZE is the only Naija Artiste on an International label(Akon's Konvict Music)_{merit is what counts}

Ok pls who was supposed to win? Cuz u r dropping names right now that doesn't prove anything. So kennis music influenced MTV to give tuface the award? Wow!!! U guys should just stop all these theories. That was tuface's year. He was the most popular African artist that year bar none. The guy has achieved a lot and I can understand the reason tosinadeda doesn't want to bother mentioning all of them. When arguing lets state the facts and not twist them, it makes the argument much more valid and interesting. Give props where its due

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http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=gls====272674&nbc1=1[/quote]I was about to post the same thing but with different links

mambenanje:
if Faze is better "he is still to prove it"

Thats all I'm saying. Faze hasn't done anything for me to prove he's better than 2face. I keep saying it I have no particular loyalty to this people. As for right now 2face has just shown to be much better in all ways

I guess I'm arguing under the wrong topic but the funny thing is the argument about him being what he portrayed has come up a lot lately in other forums I check and with my friends. So I guess my argument doesn't really flow with the topic