donnie: I'm an ISRAELITE, not a Christian. YAH gave us no religion, He gave us laws. Major world religions like Christianity and Islam are from Babylon and they promote Satan worship.
Shalom.
pek: Then there was no need to open the thread and comment.
donnie, keep on insulting the gullible and itching ears’ intelligence with his delusion about himself being an Israelite, his contradictions and fantasies, that makes no logical sense. This is why I keep pointing out that Baba d is flaky, he swayed from Roman Catholicism to Constantine Christianity and now today, he is rooted in this black supremacy, black superiority over white hate on display ideology. I am 1000% certain that soon tomorrow he’ll sway again however the direction of the wind of change blows and make a jump again.
Hopefully unlike his experience of jumping from the frying pan into the hot fire place, his next coming change won't be jumping into a deep black hole that he wouldn't be able to climb up and out from so to escape, but if he does repent, as just like the prodigal son did, get back to his self and right senses, he then will change and jump into the awaiting welcoming, loving and expectant Hands of Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world (i.e. refer to Luke 15:11-32 for the story about the ''The Parable of the Lost Son'')
donnie: I'm an ISRAELITE, not a Christian. YAH gave us no religion, He gave us laws. Major world religions like Christianity and Islam are from Babylon and they promote Satan worship.
Shalom.
friday2011: My dear, you are a nigerian, stop deceiving yourself.
How did you arrive at being an Israelite?
This is what identity thieves do. Coveting.
Committing identity theft, desiring what is not lawfully, legitimately, anthropologically, genealogically possibly theirs and lusting after what they are not. How is it ethnically possible that a black man can be an ancient reddish-brown clay skinned Israelite?
Goshen360: Hypocrites Pro lives in America continue to see black people in America being murdered in grown flesh but they never stand against this evil being done to any human being, not just against the black communities in America.
It is mere hypocrisy to be pro live Christians in America to see this evil act against black and just keep quiet or be silent against such acts. What's is the difference between those who are pro lives and at the same time turn around watch a full grown adult murderer and never take any action against such evil acts? #BlackLivesMatter #AllLivesMatter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOihzXGNlFU The commentator always cracks me up with laughter each time I go to his channel and I hear him interject with "... this is bullshit right yeah with its bullshit right here et cetera ... everybody's lives matter. This is gar-bage. Gar-bage 100% ..."
MOTHER OF AHMUN, 3 days ago wrote: "Actors playing roles everywhere. Even those in the crowd asking for a pulse. Those officers were actors too"
Nandi, 3 days ago wrote: "I seen something where his girlfriend said she forgives the cops and her boyfriend would want the same, that’s when I knew it was some bs!"
donnie: I'm an ISRAELITE, not a Christian. YAH gave us no religion, He gave us laws. Major world religions like Christianity and Islam are from Babylon and they promote Satan worship.
Shalom.
myk2mic: No be pastor Chris Oyakhilome member be this, wen him turn to Israelite, wonders shall never end
myk2mic: No vex ohh Bros, I tot since Christ died we are no longer under the law but under grace, so which laws again are u talking abt. Anyways I wish u well on ur new found path, e no easy to break from Christ Embassy, shalom.
paxonel: Meaning: speaking in tongues was speaking other languages and not this saying what people do not understand that we do in churches today?
CodeTemplar: Speaking other languages you don't understand at the time of speaking. Scientifically proven that the brain is dormant during such periods.
Acehart: You are correct but silent the reason why this happens. Scientifically, it has been proven through Functional Magnetic Resonance that cortical and subcortical activations areas of the brain are dormant ONLY when one is possessed and exorcism is required. You may study the effect of brain activity during trances involving such as Zen, yoga, and transcendental meditation using spontaneous electroencephalograms techniques.
Paul places the difference between Christianity and other religions when he states that the saint is in full control of his mind (Romans 7:25, 1 Corinthians 14:19, 2 Cor.5:13). If this is true, we see that when Christ wanted to reveal Himself to people, the people had full control of their mind and their mind was in an activated state: Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures (Luke24:45). The word “Open” is translated “anoigō” meaning “to open up”: This is the modus operandi of Christ.
Paul showed us the modus operandi of Satan in 2 Corinthians 4:4: in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds. The word “blind“ gives a illustration of one’s mind being enveloped with smoke. Satan uses a dormant state of the mind or lack of reasoning to wrought his work, Paul says.
A dormant state of mind is a window of entry to demonic possession - which can lead to such utterances.
Cc: Ikorodureporta
Squatters have the tendency to occupy inhabited buildings, unused land et cetera, by application similarly could be said is the fate that could happen to dormant, inactive, fallow et cetera minds
Goshen360: Haha, which one I don see wey I no talk? And besides, we don't see this too often to whites Americans over here....if I see or if it makes the news, I go talk o
Are you "they" ni? I said, "OP, can see they shout from the rooftops only when black lives rights ..."
Tadeknkeepcalm: And what I'm also saying is, who told the op that they don't care?
OP can see they shout from the rooftops only when black lives rights and humanity are trampled upon, but don't use the same vigour and/or energy for everybody or right across the board when similar happens
Such teaching is a merchant of lie and deception. Hell (hades or sheoul) is underworld of the dead, meaning hopeless and helpless abode. Dead meaning hopeless and helpless soul disconnected from God forever. Jesus Christ is not the God of the dead but of the living. He resurrect those whose names are written in the book of life, meaning those who are His. 2Timothy 2:19. Therefore, body perish with dust particles where it was taken from, but the soul lives forever in heavenly peace or hellish sorrow torments and gnashing of teeth. Your choice but without accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord God, saviour, redeemer, righteousness, and faith, you will miss His kingdom.
Rich man and Lazarus is a typical explanation of the spirit world of the trio-universe, i.e supreme heaven, space heaven, and earth and her underneath. The rich end up in hades of hopelessness, torment, and sorrow while Lazarus in heaven's home of everlasting joy and peace with full liberty and assess blessings.
You have no excuse bro..
Daejoyoung: Richman and Lazarus is not a good example of hell in the bible( if there be any example of such at all). Even if you accept it to be an example of the existence of hell, did the rich man go there because he didn't accept jesus as his lord and saviour( like many pastors would have you believe) or because of his deeds?
With all due respect brother, the parable of the Richman and Lazarus is one of the best example of hell the state of Sheol in the bible. Notice that I struck off hell. I struck off hell, because it isn't a Jewish concept but rather has more to do with Greek mythology
Daejoyoung: ... did the rich man go there because he didn't accept Jesus as his Lord and Saviour( like many pastors would have you believe) or because of his deeds?
"32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”" - Matthew 25:32-46
The rich man ended up in that other side of Sheol and not the side that Lazarus was at because he led an ostentatious Champagne life and one such that had no compassion, empathy nor caring for others.
Goshen360: Dude, you ain't making any sense. Does the OP say anything about anti life or the hypocrisy of pro lives in America?
Tadeknkeepcalm: you are the one not comprehending. So the op has carried out a survey and has seen that all pro-lifers do not care?
What OP, is saying, don't just speak out only when its about a black man being violated, abused, dehumanised et cetera but talk also of when other races are subjected to such treatment.
All lives, whether pink, green, purple et cetera matters
Hypocrites Pro lives in America continue to see black people in America being murdered in grown flesh but they never stand against this evil being done to any human being, not just against the black communities in America.
It is mere hypocrisy to be pro live Christians in America to see this evil act against black and just keep quiet or be silent against such acts. What's is the difference between those who are pro lives and at the same time turn around watch a full grown adult murderer and never take any action against such evil acts?
#BlackLivesMatter #AllLivesMatter
I am certain that cop probably has a pet dog and wouldn't ever dream of leaning his knee, that way on his pet dog's neck
The curse of Canaan. This is the Curse of Canaan, to which the misnomer "Curse of Ham" has been attached since Classical antiquity. Ham wasn't even cursed nor blessed, lmao, he was just left in limbo, neither here, neither there, by Noah.
HedwigesMaduro: I think we can always pretend we don't know about figure of speech if it suits our narrative. So if a man points to a boy and says "if you see that boy you've seen his father", it means the boy is his mom's husband right?
olamy7: well, I think it's very clear that the differences came as a result of role. Father, son and Holy Ghost are roles played by the same God.
Somebody please pass this my guy, olamy7, this chilled bottle of orijin plus send him a truckload of kolanuts and after, make him sharp sharp, next governor of his state of origin.
Right on point on all accounts. Wehdone Sir! Please drink responsibly though.
You actually are reacting with a shallow objection
bright007: That there were no machines to do work is not a reason for the bible not to condemn slavery.
Brilliant historians will let you know that the introduction of the Trans Atlantic Slave to America was incidental.
Slavery, as a matter of fact was accidentally introduced into the US. The first 20 odd slaves arrived in Virginia there, in late August 1619, after two British pirates, the Treasurer and the White Lion, intercepted the ship transporting them to Vera Cruz, on the coast of Mexico by Portuguese slave traders. They climbed on board hoping to find bounty of gold, but what they met were slaves. These the pirates seized and sold them off as booty of war and/or traded them off for victuals (i.e. food and drinks) from the Governor and Cape Merchant of Jamestown, who bought them to work on the tobacco fields.
Many plantation owners were able to increase their fortunes by selling tobacco to the world, European, Africans and all. Those accidental first 20 odd slaves that arrived at Jamestown became an eye-opener to a solution to the decreasing supply of cheap tobacco labor and dwindling influx of indentured servants willing to migrate from England to work in the tobacco fields in America. The eye-opener was to exploit the already fledging Trans Atlantic Slave trade and join the Belgian, Portuguese et cetera big boys in the game to boost the tobacco economy with buying and acquiring slave labour to plant, cultivate, harvest, cure and package tobacco in its extremely labor intensive process
bright007: The very humans that your God created in his own image is being subjugated under another man and the bible supports it.
"Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”" - Genesis 1:28
Slavery and/or subjugation was never part of God's original from the beginning plan. As evidently seen in Genesis 1:28 above, God blessed man to have dominion over the fish, birds and over every living thing that moves on the earth, but not over each other or a fellow human being
bright007: How will such a human who is a slave, live a life of choice?
""If any Israelites, male or female, sell themselves to you as slaves, you are to release them after they have served you for six years. When the seventh year comes, you must let them go free." - Deuteronomy 15:12
"“If one of your fellow Israelites falls into poverty and is forced to sell himself to you, do not treat him as a slave." - Leviticus 25:39
"Masters, be fair and just in the way you treat your slaves. Remember that you too have a Master in heaven." - Colossians 4:1
The circumstance of human being becoming a slave (e.g. prisoner of war, abduction, poverty et cetera) more than not, prolly is as a result of coming out something he/she couldn't control, and so hopefully such in that position, would wish they're serving God fearing masters
bright007: Please try to put up a solid defense this time.
Slavery is a reality of life. Nothing to put a solid defence about, except for say, it happens because we live in an imperfect and fallen world
Daejoyoung: You keep using 21st century lens on ancient times. I repeat, the successful campaign against slavery in England in the 18th/19th century had more to do with the industrial revolution than human compassion. People knew slavery was evil before then, but there was just no better way to get cheap labour, it was a brutal era of constant wars, subjugations and survival of the fittest. This is a historical fact, don't give me sentiments, refute it logically.
Also, let's be reasonable at least. How could Jesus or Paul lead a slaves lives matter protest in an Empire that cared so little about human lives? Wouldn't that be foolish? You want him to waste the lives of those slaves? His duty was to die as their representative in their place, not to lead them to death.
Slavery, just as like prostitution, is as ancient as time. Slavery is a symptom of an underlying problem. Sort out the underlying problem will take care of the slavery issue and that is what Jesus came to do and die for.
Jesus Christ, did not politicise, so you'll hear him say something like: "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar and to God the things that are God's" (i.e. Matthew 22:21) The Romans dominated the Israelites, the Kingdom of Judah, Judah, yet He will decried them nor praise them. It is the same with slavery, He obviously knows slavery is about and thriving so, but then His saying of "... Love your neighbor as yourself. ..." (i.e. Mark 12:31) is an indication of, if you happen to be into slavery, realise that you are not allowed to mistreat slaves
bright007: I am looking at it from the religious perspective.
If humans knew slavery was evil, what about God who created them?
Pure, true and religion that has no fault, something that Did won't be able to find fault(s) with is about empathy, compassion and humaneness
If humans are really being religious, in the purest and truest sense of the original meaning of the world, there wouldn't be slavery.
Fyi, God created human beings to be and become like Him in character, attributes, behaviour et cetera
Daejoyoung: How could Jesus or Paul lead a slaves lives matter protest in an Empire that cared so little about human lives? Wouldn't that be foolish? You want him to waste the lives of those slaves? His duty was to die as their representative in their place, not to lead them to death.
Movie buffs, would have one time or the other watched Spartacus. He showed the Romans pepper, but the Romans in the end had the upper hand and squashed the slave revolt.
bright007: I am talking about God , you are talking about Paul!
God never condemned slavery in the bible
Yet, according to the bible he created humans
[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] What if God ever condemned slavery in the bible? Do you then think God condemning slavery in the bible would have put an end to slavery ni, hmm? Even if God do ever condemn slavery in the bible, He is not going to force any from not participating in it
bright007: An all-loving God wouldn't permit a human taking another human as slave.
Except you wanna be economical with sound reasoning and truth.
Oh o. You want God to install love into every human being so that they robotically love each other and have no feeling in them to want to take a fellow human being as slaves.
If you were to be God on that very day of creation. How would you have created man. How would you proof to me that your created man would be better than what man currently is and is going through, hmmm, lmao?
bright007: Same thing I have been saying from the beginning!
It is you who is tired of defending the defenseless and an obvious dent on your God's attribute.
While I am telling you that the God in the bible didn't abolish nor discourage slavery of man , you are busy beating about the bush concentrating on Paul.
If you and I agree slavery of man by man is evil, then tell me why your God never considered it evil by telling the Israelites not to engage in slavery right from the old testament to the new?
All you've so far portrayed, is saying you can and could have done a better work about creation of human beings than God has. Admit this is correct.
There are quite a varied of things God didn't tell people not to do. When I give my kids their own personal rooms in my house, I didn't unnecessarily tell them to lay or not lay their beds. Why not?. It is because it is their rooms, and as they lay their beds, so they'll lie in it.
bright007: Your reply is laughable I must confess!
Even during Paul's days, Christian's still had slaves.
Now Paul came and told the slaves to obey their masters.
Why not tell the Christians to let go of their slaves because slavery was evil? Isnt that simple enough
I am waiting for your goal-post shifting answers
It is you, who is forming hollier than thou upandan the thread with your sanctimonious self.
You are trying to get me open up a can of worms here. OK, no problem lmao. My dear friend, what you don't know just like in America, in Britain, when slavery was abolished, slave owners were compensated monetarily for releasing the slave (i.e. Compensated emancipation)
Nathan Mayer Rothschild and his brother-in-law Moses Montefiore loaned the British government, the equivalent of £17bn in today's money for doing this, but do you know that, the money borrowed wasn’t paid off until just recently 5 years ago, in 2015, lmao, meaning that living British citizens just finished paying off to ending the slave trade. The Roman who were in power during the time when God as Jesus was on earth should have had the political will to have done similar, after it was man who was given dominion to rule the earth, it is not God. God had created earth, put man on it, and let it in man's hands to be in charge, lmao.
bright007: Next time when you are asked to bring proof or evidence of something, never go to a fairytales and myth book.
Get evidence that everyone can relate with. We are having an argument about a book and then you still go to same book for your points
So what, if he does? Havent you heard that, every myth has a modicum of truth in them ni, hmm? Besides, when the truth, seemingly is bitter to hear and often difficult to bear, then employing myth, lol, makes the medicine go down easier, lol
Dtruthspeaker: Did you not call all these books "myth books"? Why then do you require an explanation from our myth books?
You've Settled our Conflict!
Don't mind her
Dtruthspeaker: . I ain't escaping nothing. You don't threaten me. This argument has reached its Reasonable Conclusive End.
The matter about the Shit Purported "House Israel slavery, contained in your myth book, is another Debate.
Raise a thread to that purpose and I may meet you there. See ya!
What is definition of Greek Theos? A god/God. Acts 12:22. Acts28:6 Greek Theos is what? John 17:3 Bros, is Jesus the one true God? John 17:3, Either Hupernikao is lying or Jesus is lying. Choose one option.
Is Luke 9:30-35 still in your Bible?
STOP DECEIVING yourself, Hupernikao John 1:1 koine Greek "the Word was facing towards Tov Theon (the God). Jesus Christ can NEVER face towards himself. John 1:1 says Jesus Christ is NOT the God Almighty. Luke 9:35 Says Jesus Christ is NOT God Almighty.
Hupernikao has ZERO PROOF ANYWHERE that TOV Theon is Jesus Christ.
achorladey: One can equally replace WALKING with WORKING the light keep getting brighter you know. This particular light is still WALKING from dullness to brightness or WORKING still under ENGINEERING work.
Somebody please pass this my guy, Daejoyoung, this chilled bottle of orijin plus send him a truckload of kolanuts and after, make him sharp sharp, next governor of his state of origin.
Right on point on both accounts. Well done! Please drink responsibly though, lol
Daejoyoung: Also slavery could not be condemned in ancient times, because a lot of manual work had to be done and there were little resources compared to today, since there were very few invented machines that could make our lives easier then. Slavery was condemned with the advent of industrial revolution in England.
Slavery was and is never a good thing. It however was a tolerated and in its best form, a somewhat necessary evil
Daejoyoung: Your lack of knowledge or understanding of history is the reason for this absurd hypothesis of yours.
Gjrich: #BOMBSHELL!!! ABIOLA INVITED ABACHA TO OVERTHROW SHONEKAN IN AGREEMENT TO HANDOVER TO HIM AFTER. - SDP Party Chairman. - badmus@cas.tv
“I was returning from one of such trips to a prominent Emir one afternoon when I heard from my car radio Chief Abiola calling on General Abacha to come and ease Chief Shonekan as he eased out Babangida, I was shocked.
I called Chief Abiola and asked for an explanation of what I had just heard.
His reply was, “Mr. Chairman, I am very happy to have worked for you. You are a strong-willed man, but you see, if you want to go to Kano by road and you later decide to go to Kano by air, as long as you get to Kano, there is nothing wrong with that”.
At this time, the party did not know and I did not know Chief Abiola was having discussions with General Abacha who had promised him that if Chief Abiola supported, and if he, General Abacha, took over from Chief Shonekan today, he would hand-over the reins of Government to Chief Abiola the next day, and Chief Abiola bought the idea.
We later got to know that there were series of meetings in Ikeja where names of those who would serve in Abacha government were discussed and forwarded. When we found out that things were not moving well and that the interim government was a lame duck, I went to have a meeting with the then Secretary for agriculture, Alhaji Isa Muhammed, and I expressed my disgust at the way the government was being run.
On two occasions, I addressed the Federal Executive Council under Chief Shonekan when the two Chairmen were invited.
On the first occasion, I told Chief Ernest Shonekan that the relationship between the governors and the interim government left much to be desired as there was no discipline. Chief Shonekan picked up a copy of the constitution and said, “Chairman of SDP, I will go by this document. I have to obey this constitution. If any governor has misbehaved report him to the police”.
The second time we were called on an issue in the chambers when the Federal Executive Council was meeting, again I raised the alarm and I again told Chief Shonekan that one day, the military boys will come and drive him out of his seat.
Chief Adelusi Adeluyi (Juli Pharmacy) who was the Secretary for Health got up and told his colleagues that the Chairman of SDP had twice given warning signals and no one seemed to be taking the warnings seriously.
We again left and allowed the Federal Executive Council to continue its meeting. On this very day, I went to the Secretary for Agriculture, Isa Mohammed, and had discussions on the unsatisfactory state of affairs. He was a personal friend and he promised to see Chief Shonekan that evening with a promise to get back to me, no matter how late.
I waited until about 1 a.m. and slept off without hearing from him. In the afternoon the following day, I called him to remind him of our discussion and he said it was not possible to see Chief Shonekan the previous evening as there were too many visitors and friends. He added that they had just been called to the villa for an emergency meeting and that he would stay behind after that meeting to discuss with Chief Shonekan.
Isa Mohammed admitted that he too was also disturbed by the situation. Immediately we stopped talking on the telephone, the British High Commissioner called me on my mobile and said, “Tony, something is happening”. And I just asked, “What is it?” He replied, “change of government” and just switched off.
I was with the Deputy Senate President, Senator Albert Legogie, when I got the message.
I went back to the house not knowing that General Abacha was taking over from Chief Shonekan which explains why the secretaries (Ministers) were called to the Villa for the emergency meeting. This was the end of the Interim Government.
It must be stated categorically here that when Chief M.K.O Abiola decided to wage war against the Interim National Government so he could take-over against the Government almost immediately Chief Shonekan was removed, he thus broke faith, not only with his party and its leadership, but also with the two political parties (SDP and NRC) which had laboured to set up the ING through effective resistance to the Federal Military Government of General Babangida.
Instead, Chief Abiola recruited “friends and supporters” who were not from the social democratic Party although some of them belonged to that party. This was to further his personal design for realizing that famous metaphor of going to Kano by air instead of road.
Immediately Abacha took over, Chief Abiola led his “friends” to pay a courtesy call on General Abacha to congratulate him. General Abacha took advantage of this and made sure that for the next two week, this courtesy call was aired on NTA Network News, to prove that Abiola had accepted his take-over of government. As stated already, the two parties had agreed in sharing ministerial offices with the reinstatement of Chief Abiola after the interim period. That arrangement, as far as Chief Abiola was concerned, was going to be too slow for his purpose.
His friends and supporters, not the party, were fully aware of the plan to topple Shonekan. They worked for it and canvassed for it. They were apparently not aware that in doing so, they were going to enthrone or ride on the back of a tiger. The long history of military rule in Nigeria and Abacha’s role in announcing most of the military coups would have been sufficient warning that they were parleying witha dangerous customer.
The tragedy of the Interim National Government was that Chief Shonekan never enjoyed the support of Chief M.K.O Abiola, the people of his home state and the people from his geo-political area, or the South-Western part of Nigeria. They did everything to bring Shonekan and his interim administration down from press attacks, to legal judgments, to hijacking of the A310 Air Bus, all in an attempt to create the atmosphere of lawlessness or the breakdown of law and order.
The Interim National Government fell due to the adroit manoeuvres of Chief Abiola, orchestrated attacks from Abiola’s supporters, as well as the lack of political base and support for Chief Ernest Shonekan who had good intentions for the country. In governance and politics, good intentions are not sufficient to sustain any leader in office. These have to be matched by effective control of the situation, ability to monitor the political pendulum to know which wat it swings at any time, as well as intelligent anticipation to develop strategies to confront emerging challenges.
Above all, political base and support are indispensable. Ernest Shonekan did not appear to have mastered the Nigerian situation, and when he was faced with scheming and planned hostility, he could not survive. In fact, his rule can be described as a tragedy of good intentions. Chief Shonekan is a good man but not a politician. When the Abacha take-over was announced, there was jubilation by all those who knew of the “Agreement” between Chief M.K.O Abiola and General Abacha.
The Nicon Noga Hilton Hotel was in celebration mood as all those senators who had pre-knowledge of this so-called agreement, and who anticipated that Abacha would handover to Chief Abiola the next day or immediately, were shouting “M.K.O.! M.K.O.! Presido! Presido!”. It was for this same reason that, unknown to the party leadership; Chief Abiola led a team of supporters and relations as well as friends on a visit to congratulate General Abacha for a job well done.
It can now be recalled that during the ensuing struggle with Abacha to validate the June 12 election, and in order to prove that Chief Abiola was in full support of what he had done, General Abacha would play the tape of this visit repeatedly on Network News. Four days before the June 12 election, (i.e. Wednesday), I flew in from Abuja to meet Chief M.K.O. Abiola to tell him that we had no money to pay polling agents as the promise made by government to grant the sum of ₦40 million (forty million naira) to each of the parties had deliberately not been fulfilled.
The government refused to release the money. Chief Abiola said he did not have money. I went to Universal Trust Bank to see Godson Esejele, later Executive Director (Finance), Federal Housing Authority, who was the Assistant General Manager of that bank. He told me that by 10:00 am the next day (Thursday) he would arrange ₦15 million (fifteen million naira) for us. The only condition attached was that if the promised ₦40 million (forty million naira) from the government got to the party, we should open an account with the bank with that amount.
I drove to Ikeja to see Chief Abiola and gave a rundown of the arrangement I was making. He thanked me heartily but added that if he had known, he would have told me to request for ₦20 million (twenty million naira) because of some of his commitments he was unable to meet at the time. The Federal Government was owing him heavily.
I must admit that Chief Abiola spent a great deal of his money. He was all out to win the election little realising that his best friend was going to be his worst enemy. He was a good candidate. There was no where we went to that he did not have something to show that he helped the people of that area. Although he was a Moslem, while building mosques for Moslem communities, he was also building churches for Christians.
He gave out scholarships to both Christians and Moslems; to Yoruba people, Igbos, and Hausa, without discrimination. He was a very good candidate. I went back to the hotel and met Godson who said that if we wanted ₦20 million (twenty million naira), the money would not be ready by 10:00 am. We would have to wait till about 12:00 noon. By 11:30 am the next morning, Godson called me to say the money was ready. I went to the bank in Victoria Island and two bullion vans were ready with escort.
When I asked for a bond for the amount, the Managing Director dais, “we know you. When you get your cheque, you should open an account here”. I did not sign any document or undertaking that I was taking that money from the bank which illustrates what trust and credibility, or integrity can mean at critical moments.
I telephoned Chief M.K.O. Abiola that I was coming to the private wing of the local airport at Ikeja and that he should meet me there. I met him waiting with Kola and Habib bank manager from Apapa, and we realized that as it was already Thursday and election was just two days away, the “Hope 93” aircraft was insufficient for distributing money country-wide. We decided, therefore to charter an Okada aircraft for distributing money in the Northern states while “Hope 93” was to distribute the money in the Southern states for the payment of polling agents.
That evening, I went by road to Edo state and delivered the money for that State to Chief Odigie-Oyegun because I had to stay in Edo state for the election. I got to Benin City by 10 pm that day. When we eventually got the ₦40 million (forty million naira), we kept our promise and made sure that the ₦40 million (forty million naira) was used to open an account with UTB (Universal Trust Bank). Air Borne But No Landing Chief M.K.O Abiola, as indicated earlier, had said that if you want to go to Kano, going by air or by road does not make any difference as long as you get there.
His interpretation of this was that going by air meant Abacha taking over from Shonekan and he Abiola, being sworn in the next day. Going by road was waiting till March, 1994, when Shonekan would use the National Assembly to hand over to him because he actually had won the presidential election. Unfortunately for Chief Abiola, he was air borne on his way to Kano but could not land.
There was, in fact, no landing, and Kano as the desired destination proved to be a fantasy. It is a pity indeed, that Chief Abiola kept the leadership of the party away from his arrangement with General Abacha to takeover form Shonekan. If he had brought it to the notice of the leadership of the part, he would have been well advised. The “Agreement” was phoney and hollow. It was an agreement which was inexplicable and in excusable in its folly and terrible in its consequences. In a similar but not identical set of circumstances, I had advised Chief Abiola against declaring himself the president of this country when arising from Abacha’s refusal to handover to him drove him to that extreme line of thought.
I spoke to him on the telephone pointing out that the army was not there to back him up. He had no police support, and not even the immigration or customs would back him.
My Advice to M.K.O. Abiola I advised against his intended line of action. In reply he merely said, “Mr. Chairman, you are a very good man. Anyway, we shall discuss that one later”, and he replaced the telephone. As I did not want to be blamed later for not advising Chief Abiola correctly, I advertised my advice the following day in some of the daily newspapers.
It was clear to me that the course of action to which Chief M.K.O. Abiola was heading was not only going to be self-destructive but also ruinous. He would play into the hands of the military and offer himself as a sacrificial lamb by delivering himself to those who, for various and obvious reasons, very much wanted him out of the scene.
In addition to giving M.K.O. Abiola specific advice against his intended line of action, I also commented on those calling for a boycott of the election to select candidates to the constitutional conference which the Abacha regime was putting in place to address the various problems confronting the nation and putting out a new Constitution for Nigeria. I was convinced that the conference would achieve a lotfor this country, including setting the timeframe for the military’s exit from Nigerian politics.
Chief Abiola did not listen. The result of his action landed him in jail.
The Escape While negotiations for the Interim Government were on, I was briefing Chief Abiola from time to time. One day, as we were going in for one of those meetingsat the villa, Chief Abiola told me that he had a message he wanted me to pass on to President Babangida and that he would send it by fax. I never received any fax message for onward transmission to the president because that was the day M.K.O. Abiola left Nigeria for the United Kingdom.
He did not want me to know that he was leaving the country. The following morning, I waited and waited all in vain for that fax message. I never received it till I was almost running late to attend a meeting at the villa. My other party men were waiting and we had to go. The next morning a BBC correspondent from London called me and asked if I was the chairman of SDP. On answering yes, he said, “your candidate is here”. I asked, “Which candidate?” and he answered. “Chief M.K.O. Abiola”. I was forced to ask him, “Where are you speaking from?” He replied, “This is BBC London. Do you want to hear his voice?”.
It was then I knew Chief Abiola had left the country. Chief Abiola’s absence from the country at this critical time was disastrous to the party and to the party and to his cause. He was the symbol of theJune 12 election and most Nigerians were struggling for him. Escaping from the scene created a vacuum which made the struggle meaningless. It was the climax of the fear he had exhibited right from the time President Babangida nullified the June 12 election.
When Chief Abiola eventually returned, he visited me in Benin in my residence. One of the questions I asked him was, “Presido, I was the last person you spoke to on the day you left and you did not tell me that you were travelling?” Before the full glare of camera lights and press, he replied that “when two birds are on a tree, one does not tell the other that a stone is coming”. So he knew a stone was coming and we were two birds on a tree and he fled without telling me a stone was coming”. It seemed to me and to many Nigerians too, that the parable of birds on a tree was a very loaded and pregnant one. It shows the character of Chief M.K.O. Abiola whose cause many Nigerians were prepared to fight and die for. Today, the result of his action has been extremely unfortunate. www.nairaland.com/attachments/11629272_fbimg1590786624335_jpegd9b9ac1fb5fc76b3ccd0876705a5ebd5
MuttleyLaff: You cracked me up yesterday, leaving me bursting out in laughter on the public walkway reading this comment and especially the last sentence above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb8KZps4woA Those arent brothers in the above video, that's one person, and it is Agent Smith, from the film Matrix Just look at that kkins/25! Beautiful isnt it? That's child play for God to do, meaning easy for God to do more than one place at the same time within the same dimension or multi dimension
kkins/25, did you see how Agent Smith was multiplying himself, by saying more, huh? Did you watch him being in more than one place at the same time within the same dimension, hmm? Is it far fetch or difficult to believe, that God can do more and better than multiplying Himself like done by Agent Smith, in that sci-fi film, erhn? Is it something hard for God to as well do, huh?
Daejoyoung: You are quoting this scripture out of context donnie, john was writing against gnostics, the gnostics claim that jesus did not die because he was not human, he was a ghost, hence without flesh and blood and would not die. The epistle of john was written to tackle these heresies and to promote unity and love.
donnie: Is MuttleyLaff not pushing the idea that we should not mention what he looked like by accusing me of breaking second commandment? I quoted that scripture in it's perfect context because he was not a ghost but a real man that lived. He came from somewhere (YAHUNDE/JUDAH) and a particular race- He was a black man, a negro.
Any other thinking is Antichrist.
I have always informed you that you have comprehension skill problems. Your confused dot com has no limits. Now watch this and this time read real slowly and better than first time.
#1/ I never pushed any of your imagined idea that anyone should not mention anything. That is you wrongly understanding what you read Mr d. Fyi, if you go back to re-read, you will realise that that, what I typed, was not to create an image of God. Its not the same, as not to mention. Where you conjured up not to mention from, I smh, don't know.
#2/ I did not accuse you of creating an image of flouting the 2nd Commandment and pasting a Caucasian picture of Jesus as evidence of the image of Jesus. You are not EnthronedbyGod RIP, jesusjnr RIP nor this other guy, so how you managed to get yourself mixed in with them trio, I don't know. I used him/her for EnthronedbyGod because I am not 100% if EnthronedbyGod is a he or her.
It was them three, I referred to, as the ones, creating an image of Jesus and flouting the 2nd commandment and not you. It is preaching hate, I accused you of brother.
#3/ Now, if you, Baba d, claim that Yahushua is not a ghost, but was a real man that lived. That He came from somewhere (YAHUNDE/JUDAH) and a particular race- He was a black man, a negro, but then EnthronedbyGod RIP, jesusjnr RIP and this third other guy pasted that Caucasian looking picture of Yahushua, as the representation of Him. Are you saying, I am an antichrist, for telling them off ni, hmm?
#4/ You've just made me laugh, so you aren't any longer an African, but you are now a Negro, and Jesus Christ too, who is from the Mediterranean region is a now a Negro too. Wow, beautiful. It doesnt get any better than this. Jesus is a Negro lmao. Apostle must hear this, lmao
eplanning: [s]Keep quiet there... you think anyone pays attention to your noise and the fake pictures you're pasting. The truth is clear, and it's bitter... but it can cure you of this self-hatred that resembles madness.[/s]
You didn't have to perpetuate this immorality by repeating that idiocy here nah.
If I am right, the person made fun off there in that pic, is the current president of Ghana and someone's dad, uncle, brother or son
donnie: This is very wrong. If whites do this to us, should we also do this to ourselves, the original pure humans
You just always have to switch everything round and take a swipe at whites for every woe, misfortune, suffering, wretchedness et cetera of the black race sha
Every human being, whether shades of black, white or reddish brown skin came from the first man, Adam, whose name Adam, in Hebrew means, reddish brown clay earth
donnie: BTW, my dad went to this school. He told me of how they gave them chicken for lunch.
This went on into the 80s - mid 80s nah, so nothing remarkable in having chicken for lunch.
donnie: Yes, I know the bible story. The story is accurate history, but the characters have been switched. That's Esau for you... Esau hides his identity and has grown great by mixing and stealing the identities of various peoples and nations. Their judgment has been written.
You are no better than Esau you are criticising. You are doing the same identity theft of another group of people you are accusing them of doing. You are even worse because to aren't even stopping there you've gone from stripping the real Israelites of their skin colour for your African black skinned complexion
donnie: 1 John 4:2-3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of YAH: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of YAH: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
He was a man that came in the flesh. he came from Yahunde (Judah). I'm an Israelite. I don't follow greek mythology.
Jeremiah 14:2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.
Daejoyoung: You are quoting this scripture out of context donnie, john was writing against gnostics, the gnostics claim that jesus did not die because he was not human, he was a ghost, hence without flesh and blood and would not die. The epistle of john was written to tackle these heresies and to promote unity and love.
Thank you my dear brother who's been following silently and watching closely in the background.
Mr d is fond of doing eisegesis, proof-texting, twisting and bending scriptures to suit his disturbing and worrisome sort of unholy and ungodly dark bitter hostile toxic gospel of hate, animosity and divisiveness
donnie: 1 John 4:2-3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of YAH: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of YAH: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
donnie: He was a man that came in the flesh. he came from Yahunde (Judah). I'm an Israelite. I don't follow greek mythology.
Where did you get the idea of anyone following Greek mythology from now?
The sons of Jacob, aka Israel the man, did the exodus journey out of Egypt, as all being Israelites, the Isreal the Nation. It was after King Solomon's death that Israel was split into two kingdoms, namely the Northern kingdom also known as the House of Israel, with its capital being Samaria and then the Southern kingdom, also known as House of Judah, with its capital being Jerusalem.
My point is, prior to the split of Israel into two kingdoms, everyone were known as and/or called Israelite. A Judahite is an Israelite and an Israelite is a Judahite, because thats all there is, the House of Judah.
By the birth and existence of Jesus Christ, there no more was the Northern kingdom. This is because the Babylonians destroyed the House of Israel never for it to recovered. What Jesus met on ground at His birth was only the Southern kingdom comprising of the tribe of Judah, the tribe of Benjamin, the tribe of Levi and then returning exiled remnant of the lost tribes that formed the no more existing Northern kingdom. So in fact the only living representative of who legitimately is an Israelite is whoever is part of the Southern kingdom also know as the House of Judah. Anyone who is an Israelite in Jesus days automatically would be from the House of Judah
donnie: Jeremiah 14:2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.
What is the significance of this poor attempt of doing proof-texting please? Please explain and interpret what you are trying to say with pasting Jeremiah 14:2.
donnie: That's the racist lie that began in the Talmud (writings highly regarded by the fake white Israelites). They compared blacks to monkeys. Meanwhile, it was Caanan (not Ham) that was cursed, and not with blackness.
If you readily feed on and swallow up, cleaning the plates, the junks in apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books about angels having sex with female human beings et cetera, you should also take whats in the Talmud. You can't pick and chose
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Didn't You Go To Church Today? by MuttleyLaff: 1:10pm On May 31, 2020
