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Acehart:
Thanks. I know you like your narratives to hover over the TKGE (as you like to call that tree) ...

"¹⁶And the LORD God commanded him,
“You may eat freely from every tree of the garden,
¹⁷but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;
for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”"
- Genesis 2:16-17

Acehart, to be frank and honest with you, every word that proceeds from God, in effect, is law essentially, lmao

The first law ever issued to man, as regards, acceptable conduct and right behaviour was the law in Genesis 2:16-17

Acehart:
... One day, I’ll speak about what I think about the tree and why Adam are it and why Satan wanted them to eat from it.

Have a good day

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to eat from the tree of life in the paradise of God."
- Revelation 2:7

Nous verrons, but except you are into Jewish Kabbalah, contrary to you thinking that the TKGE is Adam, it is not. Fyi, I have an interest however in the pituitary gland and pineal gland relationship with the connection with gigantism (i.e. Nephilim)

I am sure you know that by the time we have access back to Eden, the TKGE won't be there but we will have the Tree of life. The reason why the TKGE is be absent, is because it had served its purpose and so therefore has no further need, purpose or use for it to be present in the garden. The TKGE is conspicuously AWOL in Revelation 2:7 and Revelation 22:2.

It is true my perspective on narratives, somehow at times, delightfully cycles round and over the TKGE (i.e. yup, as I like to call that the Tree of knowledge of Good & Evil) maybe because I am aware that the TKGE is an enigma to many and one so understood without depth of knowledge.

Genesis chapter 3, and its associations with the TKGE, has its own fair share good interesting cases of elusive entendres, polysemous and deep recondite information.

Maximus69:
We are saying the same thing Sir!
The law says the rapist must marry the victim if she's not engaged to someone else, but in case she is, the rapist must be killed. PERIOD!

We are cool then, JW brother

Maximus69:
The bolded is talking about a girl that has been engaged to a man already, this case is totally different, it means the rapist committed the act against three parties:
God who is the initiator of marriage arrangement, the husband of the virgin and the virgin herself, making the whole thing complicated so to resolve the whole mess the rapist must be exterminated!

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What are you saying that's smearing in the mouth?

This a violation of purity, its pollution, its like as if pissing into clear waters or clean river, even Deuteronomy 22:26b says: "This case is just like one in which a man attacks his neighbour and murders him." It is taking something without consent of the owner given. Death, then was meant to serve a very strong message that such despicable, irresponsible and wicked behaviour would be not tolerated, as it rightly should not. We now live in a age, where human beings are believed to have come off age enough to have the right sense and be able to restrain themselves from behaving with carrying through animalistic urges and/or unrestrained beastly instincts.

Marriage, by the way and incidentally, in one of the simplest of definitions, simply is, fundamentally a union or merger of two in a personal or somewhat relationship, symbiotic or non symbiotic.

Maximus69:
Jews believe that after the engagement the two are considered as married like Joseph and Mary were engaged when she got pregnant with Jesus!

Joseph taught she must have been sleeping with a man secretly that's why he decided to divorce her secretly, since it was just the engagement! Matthew 1:18-19

My dear JW brother, please don't read any meaning into using the "JW brother," there two things you have to consider in the issue about Mary who we all know, was betrothed to Joseph for marriage (i.e. engaged marriage between Mary and Joseph has being a mutual family agreement) and they are:
1/ There is no rape occurring between anyone in the case of Mary becoming impregrnated. Rape, by definition, is an act of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with another person against their will and/or wish
2/ God is not man neither is He the son of man, and so therefore is not subjected to nor bound by, any part of Deuteronomy 22:25-29

Myketuale:
As you can see nowadays rape is now the other of the day. You will see young and old men practicing it.
So here comes my question what is the Biblical punishment for people practicing rape.

Maximus69:
Rape case in Bible times wasn't taken as serious as most people are taking it today!

Because the rapist is viewed as a psychopath that needs help NOT punishment!

So in Bible times, the rapist is given the list of items to pay so he could have the woman as his own wife, then the tension leading him into such a barbaric act is solved. But if the woman refuses to marry him then he must pay whatever cost the one marrying the virgin place on him or he is forced to labour until he can pay off the debt.

But when talking about RAPE, most people are biased on the matter, their assumption is that males are always the perpetrators while females are the victims. Whereas the Bible made mention of females seducing males for s3x, a woman got so much annoyed that she had to lie against a young man who denied her of casual s3x. Genesis 39:7-20

Please what would have happened if she had the strength to overpower the young man!

"²⁵If a man meets a girl in the country who is engaged to be married and then rapes her, the man alone
—the one who had sexual relations with her—must die.
²⁶As for the young lady, don’t do anything to her. The young lady did nothing worthy of death.
This case is similar to when a man attacks his countryman and kills him.
²⁷Since he found her in the country, the engaged girl may have cried out, but there was no one to rescue her.
²⁸“However, if a man meets a girl who isn’t engaged to be married, and he seizes her, rapes her, and is later found out,
²⁹then the man who raped her must give 50 shekels of silver to the girl’s father.
Furthermore, he must marry her. Because he had violated her, he is to not divorce her as long as he lives"
- Deuteronomy 22:25-29

Deuteronomy 22:25b, was then, the law(s) of the land, and as it is what took precedence and/or what was applied

Myketuale:
As you can see nowadays rape is now the other of the day. You will see young and old men practicing it.
So here comes my question what is the Biblical punishment for people practicing rape.

The Biblical punishment, as it now stands, is you shall reap what you sow. Rapists will get their comeuppance in the end.

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Kobojunkie:
The Old Covenant is everlasting!
No I didn't! I wouldn't say such a thing because, first, it is not true and second, there was no real definition for Sin before Moses.
At the time of the prophet Jeremiah, the Law of Moses was the established Law(1000s of years old), a reference to a new Covenant was just that, a pointer to a New Covenant, different from the existing one.
Huh?

Acehart:
Where is Mr Muttleylaff when I need him.

I wish I could explain the following verses in details. My bedtime is past.

Romans 1:19-20:

because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Romans 2:14-15:

For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,

In the second pair of verses, the Law Paul seems to be referring to is “The Law of God”. The first pair of verses reveal that since the creation of time, man has had the “source-code“ of God imprinted in his DNA. What does the Law of God say? Love God and Love your neighbor: This wasn’t the essence of the Mosaic Law. Love God and Love your neighbour is a summary of the Ten Commandments. This Law cannot be abolished.

You know that the Old Covenant was made for the Jews alone, right? The New Covenant was for all men: The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations will be blessed in you ."

I’d like to ask you this: When the Ten Commandments was spoken by God, did Israel have in their midst “the mixed multitude”? Secondly, when Ezra read the Mosaic Law, who did he read it to?

Kobojunkie:
The Old Covenant is everlasting!
No I didn't! I wouldn't say such a thing because, first, it is not true and second, there was no real definition for Sin before Moses.
At the time of the prophet Jeremiah, the Law of Moses was the established Law (1000s of years old), a reference to a new Covenant was just that, a pointer to a New Covenant, different from the existing one.
Huh!

Acehart:
You are correct sin had no definition before Moses. However, there has always been a knowledge of good and evil before Moses. Only that the commandments gave sin a front sit - a definition and consciousness of it.

for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead..

Goshen360:
Brother, you're still shooting yourself in the feet....lol. If the 10 commandments was for people whose heart did not understand righteousness, now that you and me understand this righteousness, what then you need it, the 10 commandments for?

Moses law was never divided into ceremonial etc, it was given as whole one package. If you know a scripture that divided Moses law into ceremonial and other parts, bring it let's see.

The first ever law given, was in the Eden and it was Genesis 2:17's "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it ..." It equally served as a covenant upon which when broken, means automatic eviction from Eden.

The law, from the very beginning was there and sin is transgression of this law. Going against this expressed law brought in death and/or cause death to enter man's world.

Every principle, law or covenant are everlasting. In the absence of a stronger, more powerful, superior principle, law or covenant, existing principles, laws or covenants remain relevant, but the moment something stronger, more powerful, superior comes on the scene they become redundant, impotent, useless, ineffective, emasculated, weakened

Naturally human being obey the law of gravity the states what goes up must come down, but with the realisation of the law of aerodynamics, human beings now defy the law of gravity and so turn to pretend they can fly in the air just as like birds do, lmao

Laws, commandments et cetera essentially at a rudimentary definition, simply are rules. Rules, are set of explicit or understood regulations one is expected to follow in regards to conduct or how you behave yourself in particular areas of activities. Adam and Eve in Eden were aware of what the rules were. Even Cain, outside Eden, was informed by God that he Cain knows what right there is to do (i.e. Genesis 4:6-7)

donnie:
Nope it is for ISRAEL. Then Israel can be a light to the nations thereby extending the blessing.

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another,
even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.”
- John 13:34

Israel, can be a light to the nations thereby extending the blessing, by obeying the 11th commandment as given by Yahushua Ha Mashiach clearly seen in John 13:34 above. C'mon nah, Mr d, the Gospel cannot exclusively be only for Israel/the Israelites.

donnie:
... But instead, the nations have conspired to destroy Israel and erase his memory from the earth. But according to the scriptures, they failed!

"So you actually admit that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets!"
- Matthew 23:31

C'mon now, please don't be conservative with the truth. Israel, by her own doing, destroyed herself. God begged Israel stay, He literally was crawling over broken bottles, as He grovelled to Israel. He sent prophets to her, but what did she do. Israel and her sister, they killed the prophets.

donnie:
By the way, the only African Americans angrily protesting on the streets now are the blind ones who are not in touch with the TRUTH of their identity as YAHUNDE (JUDAH). Thanks to Christianity that fooled us into believing that the world through the gospel is one big melting pot for both Israelites and gentiles to live as one.

C'mon nah, Mr d, are you saying that in light of evidences of Yahushua Ha Mashiach, first sent out His inner caucus 12 disciples, saying: "Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans" (i.e. in Matthew 10:5-15, Luke 9:1-6 or Mark 6:7-13) and then a few days later on, when the time was ripe, He switched gear and opened the floodgate, to the Gentiles and Samaritans, when He here then, appointed 70-72 other disciples and sent them two by two ahead of Him to every town and place He was about to visit (i.e. Luke 10:1-20) that Gospel is not for all and sundry ni? You surely are not saying YAH's plan of salvation of souls, the redemption of souls and the reconciliation back to Him is for Israel/the Israelites exclusively, are you?

Baba d, note that, before the arrival of Constantine Christianity, the Israelites and others, have been romanticising with animism, Babylon mythology, Mesopotamia occult influences, ancestral worships, idolatry, spiritism et cetera

donnie:
The woke Israelites have been protesting ever since. And the real protest is not that thing they are doing. Why do all that and later go and patronize their pork, sea food, fake hair, cocaine, bleaching creams etc. You break shops and later go bow down to white Jesus, who is fooling who?

No one would in their right sense would ever approve of vandalism, thievery, thuggery, participation in civil unrest that involves damage to property and injury to or killing of other people.

donnie:
We who were already awake to the truth of our identity as Israel and of our affliction in the hand of our enemies, are not surprised at all.

Who are the enemies? What do these enemies look like? What's their face like or names?

donnie:
And like I said, there is more to come...

More to come of what?

donnie:
these are warning signs.

These are warning signs of what?

Perfectbeing:
You remember Cornelius in the bible, right?.. The self righteous man who does good. He gives to the poor and needy. But he still needed to know Christ. The gospel of Christ still needed to be preached to him else all those good works would've been wasted.. See bro, the righteousness of man is a filthy rag before God. It doesn't matter the good things you do, the people you help, it's still a filthy rag to God as long as Christ isn't in you.

In John 6;28-29, the disciples wanted to know what work that God wants them to do. This is is Jesus replied, "Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
So you see, the only work God needs for us to be saved is to believe.

I'm not trying to downplay the importance of giving or helping the poor. In fact giving and preaching should be done hand in hand. But never emphasis giving over believing in Christ.

How a person lives their life is proof that he or she is a Christian. Only those who believe in Jesus and are depending on Him for salvation will  do the will of the Father. But notice, doing the will of God does not make a person a Christian and guarantee that they will go to heaven. That is backward theologically. The teaching of the New Testament is that Christians do good works. Good works do not make a person a Christian. Consequently, when Jesus said, “He who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter” are the missing words. He was describing the character of a Christian and not how to go to heaven...

Soon I'll make a very lengthy posts concerning those "good" people that were before the time of Christ.

I called you blessed

Please stop, saying what not the bible never said nor say. Jesus never described anything called the character of a Christian, but that's just saying.

Talking of what really transpired in the bible, it never called Cornelius self righteous, but instead, it called him a devout and God-fearing that he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly (i.e. Acts 10:2, 22)

The whole idea of the Apostle's visit to Cornelius, was a set up and actually was for the benefit of Peter, (i.e. Acts 10:34) himself and other circumcised believers (i.e. Acts 10:45). Now would you believe that, after the floodgate was officially flung wide open for the Gentile to have a pass into the kingdom, that the apostles and other believers throughout Judea, who heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God when Peter went up to visit Cornelius, criticised him for mixing with Gentiles (i.e. Acts 11:1-2) against Jewish tradition.

The price for Salvation has already been paid, hence from why its possible that genuine altruism and brotherly love seems according to Matthew 25:31-46 to be a free pass take ones inheritance, and to enter the kingdom as prepared for one since the creation of the world. Giving is not a show of righteousness, because the righteousness that we have it the righteousness of God in Christ, so please don't get things twisted by trying to equate people's selflessness as a form of self righteous display, when it isn't. Those people were even surprised when the King informed them that it is was exactly them feeding others when they were hungry, giving others water when they were thirsty , clothing others when they were naked, entertaining strangers, visiting prisoners and the sick et cetera that qualified them free pass to eternal life.

It definitely has to be having elements of spiritual literacy that would drive one to be religious in specified areas of serving the marginalised, oppressed, frustrated, dejected, homeless, destitute, incarcerated, poorly in health et cetera. For you to type, that, religion breeds spiritual illiteracy, just shows how you haven't the foggiest idea, what true and pure religion, one that God won't find fault with, is.

sonmvayina:
It is not a prophesy.. It is God passing judgement on man, woman and snake.... God is not a prophet..

You know I am telling the truth.. But your pride is just getting on your way.. Coupled with the fact that you just don't want to entertain the fact that you have wasted your life over a fictional character..

You're a provocateur. Have a good evening.

donnie:
My fixation is on Israelites regardless of where they may be found. Incidentally, many are in Christianity.

The children of ISRAEL are not the weeds... they are the wheat. The children whom Satan planted in the earth are the weeds.

Israel should not be yoked together with the weeds, lest at the end, they be gathered up along with the weeds and burnt like in Mathew 13:30.

"And through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”"
- Genesis 22:18

"Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth,
and you will spread out to the west and east and north and south.
All the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your offspring"
- Genesis 28:14

The Gospel is for the whole wide world not just Israel/the Israelites

ObaOfUyo:
What manner of fuckery is this?!

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Poverty nah bastard
Hin no go beta for poverty

donnie:
This here is not a situation of Satan fighting YAH as Christians like to assume because even devils serve the purpose of YAH when it comes to ISRAEL's chastisement.

This is the hand of YAH revealed as ISRAEL's redemption approaches. These are warning signs that YISOLELE (ISRAEL) might awake and REPENT. Christians will either believe this truth or be forced to accept it eventually.

Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

"¹⁸Therefore the Lord was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of His sight:
there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.
²⁰ And the Lord rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them,
and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until He had cast them out of His sight"
- 2 Kings 17:18,20

"Surely, as a wife treacherously departs from her husband,
So have you dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel,” says the LORD."
- Jeremiah 3:20

"For the house of Israel
and the house of Judah have been utterly unfaithful to Me,” declares the LORD."
- Jeremiah 5:11

"Behold, I am coming soon!
My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what he has done."
- Revelation 22:12

I am not sure why your fixation is on Christians, when Matthew 13:28-30, is merely saying, let each be, let each continue to do what each is best at doing, if its being bad, so be it. If its being good, equally so be it. All this because pulling out the weeds, might inadvertently cause the wheat to be uprooted, so, the Farmer says, let both grow together until the harvest.

Praise YAH. Alleluia. Jesus is coming soon.

sonmvayina:
At Nicea, emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire, he gathered the prysbethers in nicea to agree on a single religion for his empire. They argued for almost, 2 years. There is just nothing divine about Christianity.. They discussed the relationship between Enki and Marduk. It was Athanasius that said he was both God and man after Constantine realised they where wasting so much time and money.

Genesis 3:15 is not a prophesy, it is God passing judgement on man, snake and woman... God is not a prophet..
Don't be dumb..

Read it in context.. Snake will bite human on their heel and man will kill snakes by smashing their head.. As we still do...

"I will put enmity between.... "
He is giving everyone their punishment after judgement.

There is no mention of devil or satan in the story.

sonmvayina:
See the main post again, I have made adjustment

Thank you, for the heads up about on the edits to the original post you made.

Unfortunately your adjustments don't make any difference because Genesis 3:15 isn't about Christianity, lmao because it is a prophecy about hope of reconciliation and redemption (i.e. bringing back et cetera)

The first prophecy was Genesis 2:17, this got fulfilled at Genesis 3:6. Now Genesis 3:15, is the second prophecy ever said in the Bible. This particular prophecy declared a free for all fight that will in the future happen. This certainly 2000 years did happen. Round two, is just right round the corner.

I am sure this isn't the first time, you've read me, type that, if only more christians, do/did properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians.

sonmvayina:
At nicea.. Genesis 3:15 is not a prophesy, it is God passing judgement on man, snake and woman... God is not a prophet..

Fyi, Genesis 3:15, is prophecy #2 and it is called the protoevangelium or first gospel.

sonmvayina:
Don't be dumb..

You're dumber, so I'll be doing catching up, if I do decide to try being dumb, lmao

sonmvayina:
Read it in context.. Snake will bite human on their heel and man will kill snakes by smashing their head.. As we still do...

As I've earlier mentioned above, Genesis 3:15 is called the first prophecy of the Messiah, the beginning of salvation history with fulfillment in Jesus Christ

sonmvayina:
There is no mention of devil or satan in the Satan in the story.

Why are you saying the same thing twice (i.e. ''... no mention of devil or satan in the Satan in the story'')

StagethemTVee:
Presiding Bishop, Living Faith Church Worldwide, Bishop David Oyedepo has said pastors who still want churches to remain closed are agents of the devil.

He said some pastors were angry that he said churches should be re-opened.

“But they are too diplomatic than spiritual, so they just keep losing ground to the devil! Some Pastors who were angry that I said Churches should be opened and we are praying that Churches must be opened.

“Now, ask them: “Do you want Churches to remain closed?” They will just be looking at you. Do you want Churches to remain closed? because I know you are a celebrated Pastor.

“Do you want Churches to remain closed? Then you are an agent of the devil. If your children scatter around and you can’t see them; they now say when do you want them to come back? You now say, “anytime”, then you are a witch.

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Was it not a so called church that a young lady, Vera Uwaila RIP, took refuge in because church is meant to be a safe haven and so she went in there, the church building, to study, only to be subjected to a suspected rape and grievous body harm that she later on died from the injuries inflicted upon her, hmm?

Righteousness89:
The Church of JESUS CHRIST is needed now Much more than Ever...

We are very close to the time when full blown Lawlessness may spread across the Nations of the World..

There is No More Time!

The Church is Needed now to Prepare Souls for The Rapture...

What you think/thought "for The Rapture..." is, is not rapture about a transportation of believers into heaven at the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ et cetera nature or kind that you've learned and/or was taught

Lostz:
you should be concerned about the safety of your so-called children first.

government has already lifted restriction on place of worship but you should not pack people like ice fish into your auditorium.

Gbam.

BackllGodNaija:
It's not about people going back to "church" but back to God.

The churches might be closed but God's House/Kingdom is always open.

Someone can be in the church but not in God's House/Kingdom and vice versa.

The most important thing is for people to be in God's House/Kingdom, not church.

The real "agents of the devil" are those who don't care about people being or entering inside God's House/Kingdom, but just their own church buildings.

God Bless Nigeria

Gbam

petra1:
He's right . They betray the body of christ for cheap popularity

Matthew 24:10
. . .And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another . . .

Smh.

RiyadhGoddess:
It's Well.

Amen

OnPointMan:
Only God knows His true people

Not everyone who followed Jesus Christ was a disciple

donnie:
Social distancing is no longer trending in the US as protests have stolen the show.
Rather than seek to know what YAH is saying and doing, because he certainly ordered these things to befall the earth, again we blame Satan.
Unfortunately, the Christian church hasn't learnt yet.

Let's wait for round two.

"^28‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
²⁹‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them.
³⁰Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters:
First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned;
then gather the wheat into my barn."
- Matthew 13:28-30

Perfectbeing:
Moslems and other religious people (and even non religious people) do give help (help even some christians can't compete with). How does this their help lead people to Christ??

I want to believe that you have the good sense of not trying to say that, all those people who died before Jesus was born, are at a disadvantage of not having the opportunity of getting lead to Jesus, hmm?

Perfectbeing:
If giving help was all what God needed for salvation, why did Jesus Christ have to die??

"³¹“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
³²All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
³³He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
³⁴“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
³⁵For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
³⁷“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
³⁸When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
³⁹When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
⁴⁰“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
⁴¹“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
⁴²For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
⁴³I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
⁴⁴“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
⁴⁵“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
⁴⁶“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
- Matthew 25:31-46

God is Just, so that sin can't go unpunished, this is why God came to earth, to DIY, present Himself, as our Lord that He is, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer and Saviour of the whole wide world, to pay the price of death, dying in our place, as the Lamb of God taking away the sin of the fallen world. Praise God. Alleluia.

Salvation, is already given for them that deserve it, and so from that Matthew 25:31-46 above, you should be able to see that if not for the salvation made available, those welcomed in, to take their inheritance, the kingdom prepared for them since the creation of the world was because of their empathy, compassion and help rendered to the needy et cetera.

Perfectbeing:
A lot of people helped the poor and needy before (and after) Jesus first coming but it still didn't make them in right standing with God... You can't quote James and leave the rest of the bible in the dust. The bible should be understood in its entirety not in its part..

It is evidenced that true and pure religion, is done as a result of having spiritual literacy! When you have understanding of spiritual things in specified areas of altruism, selflessness, et cetera, it is religion without flaw, that even God won't be find fault if done at the right time, right way and carried out remaining in right standing with God.

The possessor of information, knowledge and/or wisdom has been given a very precious and powerful gift, wherever information and/or knowledge is, you should seek, to be a possessor of. Some of us, have become used to foolishness and don't enjoy being challenged of misinterpretations or incorrect interpretations

Offpoint:
If I'm to take correction about a word being misinterpreted, I will only take it from an Hebrew/Greek or a Tarkun Aramaic and not from a Nigerian WHO DOESN'T KNOW "A" in either of those languages.

Suit yourself.

There is no human being, from whom we cannot learn something, if we are interested enough about knowing a truth. Personally I have never met a man so ignorant, that I couldn't learn something from. This is my last reply on this matter.

Offpoint:
Lol, it was misinterpreted according to you and no bible scholar of all the various bible versions were able to make corrections till date right?

If a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is. What is simply required, is to lay a straight stick down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Preach the truth, and whatever error till date, will stand abashed.

You are embarrassed that all this while you were scammed about the true translation and meaning of the remark "... lema sabachthani" in Matthew 27:46 and/or Mark 15:34

Offpoint:
Now you understand Hebrew / Greek more than those who translated the original Bible manuscript right?

All scripture is given by inspiration of God. It unfortunately, is not the same case for translated original Bible manuscript versions, lmao

Offpoint:
Now I know I'm dealing with a problem greater than me

Ignorance and arrogance are a lethal combination. Smh at you behaving as if like an "oloorun atọle." I won't be surprised if it turns out you actually are.

Knowledge is learning something new every day. Wisdom is letting go of something every day. You are not yet ready to let dead leaves fall off and drop, lmao. You prefer to pretend you understand something when you really don't. Smh.

sonmvayina:
MuttleyLaff and offprint, can't you people figure out that all these Jesus bull shitt are all design to keep people arguing and fighting... And distracted... The main purpose of which is to make human governable..

Remove Jesus from the equation.. Everything becomes straight forward and clear... He was never important to anything, was never God's plan.. Just cooked up by the Romans and added to the Jewish scriptures to deceive and make mockery of the creator.

At what point did the Romans cook up Jesus?. Are you saying the Romans inserted the prophecy about Jesus into Genesis 3:15? C'mon now friend, you could do better than this

Offpoint:
I should accept "I don't know" for what I've provided you with evidence or you yourself provided evidence?

So you do accept that you are unable to provide bible verses aside the misinterpreted Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 that have "forsaken me/left me/abandoned,""forsaken," "leave" or even "abandoned" translated as "sabachthani" abi, hmm?

Just humbly admit so I can walk you through:
1/ the correct translation of Matthew 27:46 and/or Mark 15:34
2/ the correct translation of "... lema sabachthani"
3/ Jesus' seven last dying words on the cross, of which Matthew 27:46 and/or Mark 15:34 is the fourth, as could be seen below
i) Luke 23:34 - Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.
ii) Luke 23:43 - Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.
iii) John 19:26-27 - Woman, behold your son. Son Behold your mother.
iv) Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 - My God, My God, (this bit I've blanked out, to reveal more on it, later)
v) John 19:28 - I thirst.
vi) John 19:30 - It is finished (or "It is accomplished'')
vii) Luke 23:46 - Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.
4/ whose hearing and targeted audience were those above last seven dying words of Jesus said to
5/ the reason why Jesus uttered the quotes in Matthew 27:46 and/or Mark 15:34

Offpoint:
If you were to be my son or student in class... God help me.
You've left me this way...

My guy, just admit you are unable to. There is no shame in saying "I don't know". You wouldn't lose anything from being open minded brother.

C'mon. No one is an island of knowledge. No one has a monopoly of knowledge. At the rate that you're going you'll, it seems want to miss a learning opportunity. It seems you haven't had anyone call you up on the misinterpretation of Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 before abi, lmao

Offpoint:
So after you screenshots various versions of the the Bible clearly shows you the interpretation of the statement " Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
Which you claimed I was wrong, you even went as far as asking me to show you where the original word carries questions mark or where it was translated to" my God, my God, why have thou forsaken me"

You are still riding high on top your up there horse abi. It's going to be a long fall from high up on that horse, brother. Please be humble and lowly in spirit in order to gain honour.

Offpoint:
You're still here demanding for evidence whom you ignorantly provided it yourself.

[s]Or do you want to go the elementary school way of breaking them down to you?
If so be it...

Eli = Greek-transliterated-Aramaic/Hebrew = God/My God

Lama = Greek-transliterated-Aramaic/Hebrew = why

sabachthani = Greek-transliterated-Aramaic/Hebrew = Forsaken me / left me / abandoned[/s]

Thank you for your response, but simply just honour my request below please.

Now I am 1000% sure that Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:3, are not the only verses in the whole of the Old Testament that "forsaken" or "leave" or even "abandoned" are used, so please Offpoint, kindly show me bible verses that has "forsaken me/left me/abandoned" or "forsaken" or "leave" or even "abandoned" as "sabachthani"

Fyi a search of KJV shows 126 hits searching for the word "forsake" and 67 hits for the word "forsaken", so therefore Offpoint, please give me proof of any of those hits for the words "forsake" and forsaken" ever get translated to the Aramaic word "sabachthani"

Offpoint:
Lol, I'm seriously flabbergasted at the episodes you've been writing on a very single question that requires a simple and correct answer.

After the epistle, you ended up not answering the question.

I love your way of avoiding questions you have no clue to answer.

I'm here to clear on false teachings of the Bible and it seems you're not willing to learn.

I respect Jahovah witness for their deep knowledge and understanding of the Bible.

You are not only a loudmouth braggart, you also are unable to comprehensibly read the explanation because as I earlier did say you have read a bible verse in isolation without at all contextually try to understand the background. Now you are playing the denominational card, bringing in the mentioning of JW

Offpoint:
The instructions was for you to snapshot or screenshot your own Bible version of those verses to me.

I don't know what the long write ups are for a simple instructions.

[img]https://s7/images/Mark-15_34.jpg[/img]

[img]https://s7/images/Matthew-27-46.jpg[/img]

What is it, so difficult for you to bring evidence(s) you have in the Bible, wherever that "sabachthani" is used to mean "forsaken" or "leave" or even "abandoned", hmm?

There are 36 books in the Bible (i.e. Protestant) or 46 books (i.e. if Catholic), so why do you find it hard to produce in any of those 36 or 46 books, translations of "forsaken" or "leave" or even "abandoned" that shows as "sabachthani"?

You are a dishonest and insincere person. You know you can't and won't find anywhere in the bible "forsaken" or "leave" or even "abandoned" translated as "sabachthani". Now the realisation of this fact and truth, exposes your misinterpretation of Matthew:27-46 and Mark:15:34 that you are not yet ready to face, and so why you are playing hide and seek, running upandan the place taking delight in your ignorance

Perfectbeing:
While a christian giving to the poor and needy is is a show a love, he should know that there is no greater show of love as a christian than helping people to know Christ.

You get and/or have people to know Christ from giving to the poor and needy. I remember almost 30 years ago, from the West End, I gave a lift to a bloke I didn't know from Adam. Within five minutes of picking this guy up, the guy surprised most likely he was, asked me, that am I a believer, obviously it must have puzzled him why I stopped to give him a lift. I am not one keen on blowing my horn, so I'll just stop there with that illustration or example of how empathy, compassion, giving to the poor, helping the needy et cetera does help people to know Christ.

I am witness that can attest the reality that true and pure religion breeds spiritual literacy. Religion without a fault or flaw often is an ice breaker to know about Jesus Christ and the kingdom of God

Offpoint:
Kindly open your bible whatever version you're using and snapshot Matthew 27:46 and/or Mark 15:34 and send it to me...

"Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani"
- Matthew 27:46

"Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani"
- Mark 15:34

brother, I use all available bible translation versions. I am not rigid. I am not your typical KJV only person, lmao

You would, of course, have noticed that I have always being upfront, open with you by laying my cards in front and facing up, lmao. It is because I am sure of what I am discussing about with you. Now, to further prove my sincerity and honesty, I'll will share this next bit with you. Let me confess to you, what I consider to be one of my in-house "trade secrets". So, one of the first places I go to, when reading bible verses, is my interlinear(s), then maybe my concordance(s), next could be me, zeroing on finding out the etymologies on whatever particular words, they are, that have aroused me developing interests and/or curiosities in them. I literally do 2 Timothy 2:15, to the letter and spirit of the verse, lmao.

Offpoint:
If can't do that, don't bother replying me.

You really need to pour cold water on your unnecessarily steaming attitude brother

Offpoint:
There are countless times in the Bible Jesus rebuke those who regarded him as God. He simply let them know His not God, rather He was sent by God.

You simply didn't answer my question....

If you're going the TRINITY way, that's another topic for another day.

Acehart:
You are a liar

Leave the guy bro, I have this covered

Offpoint:
I've clearly stated I won't engage you any further...

As if I care

Offpoint:
But read Mark 10:18 with no further epistle, tell me what you understand about the last words
"No one is good EXCEPT GOD ALONE"

Focus your answers on the uppercased sentence.

"¹⁷As Jesus started on His way, a man ran up and knelt before Him.
“Good Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
¹⁸“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone."
- Mark 10:17-18

I've now realised that you are nothing other than a loudmouth braggart. You defo surely have a big green L-plate hanging round your neck because if not, you should know that a good bible student/teacher never reads bible verses in isolation. Context is King. Never read a bible text out of context, because if you do, it implies you are reading the narrative under pretext.

I am not going to continue have you waste or squander my precious time replying to except say, if you had the sense to read that verse contextually, you would have noticed that the man earlier had used an adjective usually reserved for and/or associated with God. Now on the strength of that, Jesus before giving the answer to the man's question, first let it be established that the man realises that he is taking to God. The man did not dispute nor argue with Jesus telling him that because he called Jesus, Good Teacher, on the strength of using Good, he is actually is implying that Jesus is God. With that truth not being contested by the man, Jesus then went ahead to answer the man's question, but of course the rest is history that because of the man's strong attachment to money, wealth and riches, which Jesus already knew about, being God that He is, the man couldn't stomach Jesus' answer to him about selling everything and follow Him, lmao. He was saddened asked to that and so declined the instruction. Jesus' response was, He looked around and said to His disciples : "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!” (i.e. Mark 10:23 )

Offpoint:
It's now evidently clear you've been reading your bible downsides all the while. I'm done engaging you, cause it's obvious to me you have clue or answers to the question I asked you.
You can beat around the bush as long as you want.... YOU SIMPLY DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

Just thank your lucky stars, that I didnt get to expose you in public. Yeah run and go hide yourself in shame with your tattered ego in shreds.

How dare you come online unable to substantiate your inherited badly learned interpretation of Matthew 27:46 and even equally Mark 15:34 verse.

If you are confident and 10000% certain that "... lema sabachthani?" really meant "forsaken me" or "leave me" or even "abandoned me" then provide a corroborative bible verse that uses "sabachthani" to mean "forsaken" or "leave" or even "abandoned" You can see how a fair minded person I am, because I have dropped the bar and made it easier for you to prove your questionable and suspect interpretation of Matthew 27:46 and/or Mark 15:34 lmao

How dare you try to say that JESUS was "forsaken" or "left" or even "abandoned" by God

I STRONGLY AND CONFIDENTLY HAVE THE ANSWER, ITS YOU WHO IS GOING TO WALLOW IN YOUR IGNORANCE, LOL

Offpoint:
There are countless times in the Bible Jesus rebuke those who regarded him as God. He simply let them know His not God, rather He was sent by God.

You simply didn't answer my question....

Big fat lie. Here you come with making an outlandish statement you can't substantiate. If you are sure you aren't telling porkies, like you did with that "... lema sabachthani?" alleging it to mean "forsaken me" or "leave me" or even "abandoned me" then show where in the scripture, Jesus rebuked those who regarded Him as God.

Provide the bible verses, where Jesus ever told anyone off for perceiving Him or calling Him God.

Offpoint:
... If you're going the TRINITY way, that's another topic for another day.

Going the TRINITY way, is just a red herring and shouldn't be any another topic for any another day. God might have revealed Himself to us in terms of trinity, God however is INFINITY and not limited to TRINITY.

Stephenmoka4:
Quite motivational, My own ideology is what it's complicating my spiritual life;
why would someone (God) love me, without me loving him back in similar way. I don't like the fact that someone love me and I'm not doing treating them right. I understand it's agape love. Why isn't that I'm not loving Him unconditionally.

Please don't be hard on yourself.

You're loving Him unconditionally to the best of your ability to do so and thats what really counts. It matters and means a lot to God

Stephenmoka4:
It is better I am the one giving the agape love and God receiving, I feel like I have been cheating God all this while after I read that your post.

Though I have bumped into you a few odd times on Nairaland, I wouldn't say, I know you from Adam, but you've come across as someone, like young David, whom about God said, He has found a man after His own Heart and/or even Lazarus, the disciple whom the Lord, Jesus Christ loved

Man looks at the outward appearance, but God sees the heart. I am sure God sees your heart. You're an an image of God, a construction site, a work in progress that's gradually slowly but surely bringing out the likeness of God in you

Stephenmoka4:
If you have felt the awful feeling of loving someone and them not loving you back, I wondered how God is surviving loving many people and some don't care about his existence and my own is even worse (I know He exists but, still hurt him).

"²⁰On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.
²¹Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me.
The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.”
²²Judas (not Iscariot) asked Him, “Lord, why are You going to reveal Yourself to us and not to the world?”
²³Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
²⁴Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words.
The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me."
- John 14:20-24

As I have earlier advanced about God, that God is love. Now God has inexhaustible love ceaselessly flowing out. I'll tell you what really is awful. It is having love to give, have love to shower with, but there's nobody to give or shower the love upon. It is why some people take to having dogs, cats et cetera, reasoning that if there is no one to love, they'll substitute them with animal pets

God is self sufficient. Our God doesn't need our love for His survival. He doesn't need our worship or our praising Him for His existence. Keeping every commandment that proceeded from Jesus Christ's mouth is how you love God (i.e. John 14:20-24)

frank317:
LOL... Thought I was the only one who got totally confused. Seems u guys are not arguing the same thing. U are saying A, he is saying M

More confused than a goat got lost, after wandering off to an astroturf field, are some unable to spot the contradiction