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Benbisco:
If you believe this story you will likely believe me if I say we are experiencing winter in Port Harcourt at the moment.

Kobojunkie:
Can you say for a fact that this man's story is false, knowing that if you lie, you are guilty in the eyes of God

Kobojunkie:
Misinterpreted? Are those who bear false witness not considered guilty of sin in the bible?
You are still yapping!

aadoiza:
Why you dey look for trouble upandan self .
On a more serious note, I think donnie really did get to you with these historical expositions. Easy oo...

veeshock:
Seriously we ought to do better, everyone claims to go to church yet so much evil in the streets.

Kobojunkie:
What the heck are you yapping about?

Kobojunkie:
Does your Bible not say that those who bear false witness are guilty of sin?

Rozz:
seeking for better understanding sometimes makes me confuse as some verses contradict themselves. I think having a true and proper understanding of the Bible is spiritual.

Benbisco:
If you believe this story you will likely believe me if I say we are experiencing winter in Port Harcourt at the moment.

Kobojunkie:
Can you say for a fact that this man's story is false, knowing that if you lie, you are guilty in the eyes of God

Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as
(1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament
(2) as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings
(3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.

Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).
I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that, but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Kobojunkie:
You are beginning to think of your own... only why abandon one doctrine(man made rules and traditions) only to take hold of another? Why not finally accept what God says as He did instead?

NuclearReactor:
The word Trinity doesn't need to exist in the NT, the whole concept of trinity is that God manifests himself in 3 personalities, each with distinct roles but same qualities.
Throughout the NT the 3 personalities are clearly stated... But there was never any place where it was said that there are 3 distinct personalities...
Hope I made sense

Kobojunkie:
Wait...was this because you couldn't win an argument with a JW?

Rozz:
lol not really

MuttleyLaff:
This is the beauty of breaking bread and sharing it in opened topics like as this one. Interlocutors bring along food, you eat with them on the table, chew the food but making sure not to swallow the bones but to spit them out, lol

... my position, is God is not a "not-known-number" of person. God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible, lol

Now going to what you referenced and about the point made by Biblespeaks when he laid bare Matthew 24:36. Well, you've likely, often heard it said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God, can send Himself on an errand, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ because God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him

Christ cannot share the same body with God the father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Why does Jesus Christ need to be a human being on earth?. Fundamentally, it is because one needs a human body to lawfully and have a permitted way to legally operate on earth. God is not going to be a law breaker and be breaking Genesis 1:26-28

Now, though Jesus is God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, God's Son, which means, it is a guarantee and not rocket science, that fathers will always know things that sons will have no idea or knowledge of.

This isnt news anymore

veeshock:
Thats really bad...I used to know those guys in the choir usually get gifts every now and then, so a prob as such dont get this bad.

@Muttleylaff yeah there are black sheeps everywhere especially is naija where hunger and frustration is landlord.

StubbornGENIUS:
I Just went through your previous. It's okay

Maximus69:
You misapplied those texts Sir!

What you're quoting was talking about the works you do outside faith setting.
For instance, a Muslim, Buddhists, Hindu, Jew or any other religionist may feel he is OK before God if he's doing what people around him agree as good works.
Of course that will not take them anywhere close to God, on the other hand Jesus commissioned a global preaching and teaching work that belongs to the God who sent him, this is the work those living now must learn to engage themselves, it will deprive you of so many things, unless you were born by parents who embraced this work no human under the surface of the sun will tell you he loves this work because it's not natural!

That's what James was talking about, so if you want God to view you as he did Abraham you must do the work that will show the faith in you, it's this work people around you will notice before asking you "who taught you these things?" then you'll have the privilege of telling them Jesus of Nazareth!

James specifically mentioned Rahab a prostitute in Jericho, she is not an Israelite but did what she could in support of God's will {Jam 2:25} so if you're not doing such then your professed faith is DEAD! Jam 2:26

So you need to IDENTIFY God's people, know what God's will is and join them by working in support of the fulfilment of God's will!

As for the Gods or gods, leave that one it's Bible translators that did all that, GOD, God or god means the same thing itst the name of the God in question that matters!

StubbornGENIUS:
But Jesus is neither hebrew nor an egyptian.Isn't he an Israelite?

MuttleyLaff:
If Abraham is a Hebrew. If Abraham is called Hebrew, then by association of being a Son of Man, Jesus too, is Hebrew. Jesus, of course, unequivocally isn't Egyptian.

"So he began shouting,
“Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!”"
- Luke 18:38

Of course, capital yes. Jesus the son of David, is an Israelite

donnie:
Hebrew is from Eber, an ancestor of Abraham and Jacob (Israel).

MuttleyLaff:
Just go open a totally different and new thread to move this on to, mention your invitees to participate as you share knowledge with each other.

I am actually interested in this "Iburu" concept and I'll tell you why. Now because of a particular verse in Songs of Solomon that states that the bride of Christ is black, I started beginning to reflect and/or deeply think of that.

The thing is, we all know, the church comprises of all shades of skin colour people, but for some reason, the Bible decides to identify the bride of Christ, as being organically black, though she's made up with people of light, pale white - white, fair - medium, white to light brown - olive, moderate brown - brown, dark brown and very dark brown to black skins.

This is one of the holy grails I am pursuing to understand. The Bible in Proverbs 25:2, afterall says: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of kings to investigate a matter (i.e. to search out a matter)"

With that Songs of Solomon verse in mind, I started with trying to reason that, maybe there is blackness somewhere in every human beings regardless of whether they are white, brown, olive or black skin, and so why the church is portrayed as black in the Songs of Solomon verse.

I am aware you're advancing the thought that the Igbo or Ndigbo are the true and original Hebrew and so like to take ownership rights of the word "Iburu," but the word "Iburu" is not exclusive to the Igbo or Ndigbo alone, in fact, there surprisingly and at least, is an Irish Gaelic dimension, association, connection and link to the the word "Iburu"

Fyi, the term Hebrew apparently comes from the Old Irish and Irish Gaelic word, "Iburu" which means "Yew Tree" or "Men of the Yew." There are very fascinating and varied stories about the yew tree, take like for example, the one about Saint Patrick, who introduced Christianity to Ireland, himself being exiled from France, took the decision to plant none other than a Yew Tree symbolising Ireland’s growing and strengthening faith. The planted Yew Tree, gave the town its name, Newry or "Iubhair Cinn Tragh" (i.e. translated in English to mean, the Yew tree at the head of the strand)

Another interesting story about the yew tree, is how they were held sacred by the Druids and Egyptian Magi, in pre-Christian times. Druids by the way, were members of the high-ranking professional class in ancient Celtic cultures. They are best remembered as religious leaders, they also were legal authorities, adjudicators, lorekeepers, medical professionals, and political advisors. Lorekeeper, by the way of a fyi, is a wise person with knowledge of history, genealogy and ancient poetry and possibly magic as well.

More interesting stories are that yew trees planted in Europe, were often brought from Egypt and the Holy Lands. The UK, apparently has the largest collection of ancient yews on earth. There are 117 of them, aged between 2 and 5 thousand years and this number is expected to increase, as or when others are discovered. Legends, ancient artifacts and carvings convey the impression that certain yew trees are descended from the Tree of Life.

Abram was called "the Hebrew" and Genesis 14:13, is where the first time the "Hebrew" word is used in the Bible, it means a descendant of Eber and can also refer to someone from beyond, someone from the other side or someone from beyond the Euphrates but funnily enough and incidentally in Old Irish lor and in Irish Gaelic, there's an unfortunate and weird similarity of etymology of the same word "Hebrew" that gives one a great deal of head scratching episode.

With the Bible account, remember, it was earlier mentioned above that, the term Hebrew apparently comes from the Old Irish and Irish Gaelic word, "Iburu" which means "Yew Tree" or "Men of the Yew," well according to that version of narrative, the letter "H," simply meaning "the," when added as a prefix, to the word Ibaru (or Ibri, Abri, or Abari) which means "Wise Ones" or "Elders," formulated the Hebrew word resulting from "the Ebru" or "the Ibaru" when "H," is prefixed to to the word Ibaru.

I think there is more than the eyes sees in this matter and so you just have to open up a thread to prove your attestation of Igbo or Ndigbo being the original Hebrews. Fling this thing open on a thread, for a public and proper discussion where interested parties, particularly including all and sundry can come to read, share and contribute more information

Please go open a new thread, share all you know about "iburu" on it with its association with Igbo or Ndigbo and write to your delight about them there

TAYO124:
Go to a reputable seminary and argue it out.

Maximus69:
James said

"you claim to be a believer but there is nothing to present for your FAITH, i will show you my FAITH through its achievements (WORKS)" James 2:18-26

Maximus69:
Amujale and donnie are both angry that blacks won't stop worshiping the God introduced by the white, i've discussed with the both of them several times and now they're both frustrated whenever they sight my post because it's this same question i always ask them.

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization came from the white for sure, but their achievements is undeniable, show me the achievements of your black Gods gods so i can trash this white God!

For your information my friend,

Frustration comes in two forms!

(1) When you're battling bitterly to establish what is not true!

(2) When you're striving desperately to refute what all eyes can see!

So just refute what Jehovah's Witnesses have achieve by presenting a better performing group, that's all!

MuttleyLaff:
There is no way the Israelites would have travelled down to the west African coast et cetera. Their yet unmongrelised skin first would be a disadvantage and would work against them, except anyone erroneously believes that the Israelites were black-skinned, meaning as dark skinned as you were. that being you would say they were black. Hmm, lmao?

Now fyi, the above two snapshots shows the historical migration of the Israelites in a picture, with verifiable dates. There are no anthropological nor archaeological findings of Israelites findings anywhere in the west African coast et cetera. The only thing usually brought up, as already done on this thread are 15th century upwards photos, and whats the reason for the gap between up to the 1400s? It is because there are nothing earlier than that migration to the west African coastal.

Interestingly, it was the papal bull and expelled mongrelised Jews from Portugal who had brought in some seemingly Jew culture to parts in Africa. You won't find any records or finding earlier than the 1400s. It's just non-existent, not there. Even historian keep schtum because they record don't exist

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s6/images/Noahsworld_map.jpg[/img]

"The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras."
- Genesis 10:2

You obviously haven't been reading my posts, lmao, because if you had, you wouldn't be typing "Caucasians are not the original man"
Wrong!. Right to up Noah from Adam, everyone was reddish brown. The reddish brown Israelites bar the few, as prophecy promised, were mongrelised and intentionally bred out as YAH promised He'll make happen, lmao. You don't like to see, hear and read that donnie, lmao. You don enter one chance. You've been double scammed, lmao. O gbele ooo.

I would have given you the lowdown on the Native Americans, Mexicans, Australians, South Americans, Indians, Chinese, Arabs etcetera, but time no dey, lmao

MuttleyLaff:
Bros, you're skipping history. Where is the earlier annihilation, taken captive and exiled by the Assyrians, hmmm? ...

... The thing about Mr Equiano, is that when, trying to find a meaningful explanation for the woes, hardships sufferings, enslavement, brutality, man's evil towards another fellow man, then him and of course fellow Africans captured and sold off et cetera, it is very easy to find comfort, in thinking the Igbo people must have come out of the other. Unfortunately, this is practically impossible and nothing more than wishful thinking. I am sorry bro, this is nothing less than identity theft and a molestation of Israelites history, coupled with spitting in the face of 2,000 years of Israelites' suffering. Anthropologically speaking, bar after being mongrelised, there are no Black Hebrew Israelite (BHI)

MuttleyLaff:
Are the Israelites and Edomites now in their houses right now. Are their descendants in their homes right now donnie, hmm? Are their homes not empty, a state of complete emptiness or destruction, a place of great unhappiness or loneliness? That is what God has made of Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) house, it is empty and deserted fit only for desert jackals to live in, just as is the lot of the Israelites, who have been mongrelised, starting from the first exile done by the Assyrians, then the Babylonians, before the Romans in 70 AD

What a loadsa of bullshitting, especially when aside of the above mentioned quote, I have already on this thread, generously wrote about the papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas V, authorising Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude" lmao. In 1455 Romanus Pontifex(The Roman Pontiff) gave Portugal the right to seize slaves and land in West Africa. In 1456, another Pope Calixtus III, repeated by the earlier papal bull.

Look at the gap nah donnie, 70 AD and 1455 BC, lmao, look at the perfectly neat lies you want to believe and promote, smh lmao

MuttleyLaff: ... Of course, I have previously told about how it was the tribe of Ephraim, who led the 10 northern tribes (i.e. the house of Israel) in a serious attack on and taking up arms against the house of Judah (i.e. the Southern Kingdom comprising of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin) Anyway, here's the shocker for you ignorant and puffed-up donnie, Ephraim, for its many sins, idolatory, rebellion, aggression, dissent etcetera, had God's judgment visited upon it. The whole ten tribes, Israel/Ephraim was captured by the Assyrians. The conquering Assyrians, displaced and dispersed Israel/Ephraim separated and flung them all over the place. The Assyrians scattered the whole ten tribes of Israel/Ephraim all over the, at least 120 nations that comprised the Assyrian Empire and essentially forced them to conform, transform, change, convert and take on the customs, attitudes, lifestyle etcetera of the Gentile Assyrians, lol.

They intermingled and intermarried with the over 120 Gentiles in the widely spread Assyrian Empire and so that is how Israel/Ephraim began to lose its identity. The assimilation into the Assyrian culture, tradition, lifestyle etcetera was the death, end and extinction of Israel/Ephraim. It is this, the lost sheep of the house of Israel, lol, that Yahushua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ sought out first before seeking the other Gentiles at large, lol. Praise God Alleluia. Nobody forced the lost sheep of the house of Israel, Israel/Ephraim to become Gentiles. They wanted, by their antecedents, to be Gentiles, and God allowed it to be. There you have it donnie, Genesis 48:19, came home to roost, just the way Jacob/Israel made that prophetic blessing, lol. It even gets better donnie, just as father Abraham, donnie, was pleased to see that Yahushua Ha Mashiach day was coming, that he saw it and was happy (i.e. Genesis 22:18 and John 8:56) so his grandson, Jacob/Israel prophetically saw the last days and he told each one of his sons of it while talking about it to each one of them, lol (i.e. Genesis 49:1-28)

You're even worse than lawless Christians don\nie. You're a false prophet, deceiving not just yourself but also deceiving many other people and leading them astray. When time opportunes again, I'll break things further down and into more smaller pieces for you don\nie because I know all these are too much for you to read, as you really have a short attention span. Reading context and content, are hard work for you, lol, that I've come to know about you, lol.

StubbornGENIUS:
There were many times they were exiled or taken as war captives.
Don't you know they inter-married with those who took them into captivity?

Ifycharlie:
... I do send some little money to my dad who's in the villa ...

veeshock:
He said he sends some money to his dad who is in the village. You missed that part.

veeshock:
Op so no one among 500 members can take you in? Even as the only dedicated pianist? This your story ehn...

StubbornGENIUS:
Explain the relationship between Abraham of the old testament and Jesus of the new testament.

StubbornGENIUS:
But Jesus is neither Hebrew nor an Egyptian ...

StubbornGENIUS:
... Isn't He an Israelite?

Kobojunkie:
@OP, if you can't find an immediate solution, can you not move back home to your parents in the meantime?

MuttleyLaff:
Be strong and courageous.
Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you;
he will never leave you nor forsake you."
- Deuteronomy 31:6

"The LORD is the one who goes ahead of you;
He will be with you. He will not fail you or forsake you.
Do not fear or be dismayed."
- Deuteronomy 31:8

No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life.
Just as I was with Moses, so I will be with you.
I will not leave you or forsake you
- Joshua 1:5

Then David said to his son Solomon,
"Be strong and courageous, and act; do not fear nor be dismayed, for the LORD God, my God, is with you.
He will not fail you nor forsake you until all the work for the service of the house of the LORD is finished
- 1 Chronicles 28:20

che\mystery, funny how obvious it is that you didnt painstakingly go over every line of the content I posted because if you did, you would have noticed and registered where I put forward as fact that Jesus is fully aware of Deuteronomy 31:6, Deuteronomy 31:8, Joshua 1:5 and 1 Chronicles 28:20 reproduced above, to not have used that strong "forsaken" word in the manner or way, that the translators want to lead all, to believe, is what and how He uttered the words

Since "Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani" is in Aramaic,
if Jesus meant "forsaken", He would have uttered "Eli, Eli, lama, Nashatani"
where ''Nashatani" is the Aramaic for forsaken
and if He did use ''Nashatani", then "Eli, Eli, lama, Nashatani" would mean "My God, My God, why hath Thou forsaken Me"

but no, Jesus, didnt use "Nashatani", He used ''Sabachthani" hence the famous dying words:
"Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani"

Neither God or His presence, at any time left Jesus

It is worth noting, that, Jesus deliberating DID NOT quote Psalms 22:1 verbatim, blindly or directly but consciously changed or switched language and used the Aramaic "sabachthani", so as to make the distinction from the Aramaic "nashatani"

"nashatani" and "sabachthani" are both Aramaic. "Nashatani" is the Aramaic word for the Hebrew word "azabtani", where in Psalms 22:1 it is correctly translated as the English word "forsaken." If Jesus had wanted to say He was forsaken by God, then Jesus would have used "nashatani" and not "sabachthani"

This is a simple and very good question

Jesus called His Father, My God, instead of My father, simply, because He was paraphrasing the beginning of Psalm 22 (i.e. Psalm 22:1)
just like He paraphrased the end of Psalm 22 (i.e Psalm 22:31) too.

Now, che\mystery, I am going to give you a venturesome proposal, without holding back, define God for me, with the full force of all your understanding.

Image123:
Fortunately for you guys, i'm weak for these kind of inane arguments. For 10 pages, you guys have been paralysed and unable to give cogent reasons why or what a black God or black Jesus would do for the world better than John 3v16 which we already have. All you seem able to do is post silly pictures and make threats about being judged if we don't believe your hogwash.

donnie:
THE COMING RESTORATION OF THE TRUE HEBREWS (BANTU PEOPLE) VS THE FAKE JEWISH STATE! POWERFUL!!!
h t tps://youtu.be/VpzUrrmg4oU?list=PLKKvopZqRA5jIj3wlgKISx3QhlzQgoQCx

donnie:
Always talking like a drunkard. So did Paul also have a Simon Spirit to turn in a moment and begin to preach about the MESSIAH?

donnie:
Of what purpose is your digging up this thread, hmm?

Kobojunkie:
So what happened to cause this @Donnie character to flip in less than 3 years?

donnie:
There are thousands of Bantu words, and expressions in the scriptures. Remember I said Ancient Hebrew is actually BANTU language.
Here's a list of 40+ Bantu names found in the scriptures.
h t tps://youtu.be/U_EjmnN0GSs

donnie:
SHOCKING PROOF Hebrew was invented from BANTU
h t tps://youtu.be/ysDNcAaU8vg

VBCampaign:
It is always lovely reading you, sir