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petra1:
Se awa ni wolf?

hoopernikao:
[s]Eeyaaa. Well, I am not surprised. Even the Pharisees thought they were doing God's will when they rejected, cursed and killed Jesus.

It is a known fact, that when false doctrine fails, the proponent moves to lying and bearing false witness, when such fail also, they will move to calling one a devil or seek to tear personalities down. If Jesus was called Beelzebub, who am I to get bothered by your utterances. Infact I am so glad you identified me with Christ rejection and suffering ones more.

But i assure you that this skimming will fail too, I have seen such likes over many years behind, which embraced the truth afterwards. You won't be different.

My greatest desire for you is to Nicodemusly embrace the truth of God's word without your personal experience, emotion or falsehood. We will get there, it may tarry but God's word and Will will prevail over your thoughts, emotions and experiences.[/s]

hoopernikao:
[s] To go to a website and read KJV declaration on adding italics? It is well documented in all their translations preface if you don't know that.

But claiming that to be God's inspiration by holy men is eye buggling. That means we can all come out and claim same without subjecting it to the true interpretation since anyone can claim his word to be holy writings.

Do you actually understand what HOLY WRITINGS mean? God, help us.

Okay, so when will you documents your own addition as holy MuttleyLaff inspired above the scriptures. since translators are now accepted as holy writers.[/s]

donnie:
And he conveniently mentions the tribes his slavemasters, the same busted Edomites, accept as Jews. What a shame. How about your imaginary red Jews?

YAH forbid that ISRAEL would seek or even require recognition of EDOM (fake/white Jews) to Awake and to function in these last days.

donnie:
Empty Christian talk.

petra1:
I believe from personal studies that certain black people are jews and certain tribes in Africa are traced to Israel even by DNA ...

petra1:
... and certain tribes in Africa are traced to Israel even by DNA.

petra1:
But to say the entire Jewish nation was black holds no ground with me

donnie:
1925 Jewish encyclopedia (Vol. 5, page 41) says modern Jews are not ISRAELITES but ESAU-EDOM.

No be me talk am o. This deception is one of the major reasons why I left Christianity. The Most High showed me he will bring Judgement upon the Christian church for promoting this lie and supporting ESAU/ EDOM over his true people.

h t tps://youtu.be/he57zIEGJzA

MuttleyLaff:
What a travesty, if only, more christians read their bibles, there'd be less christians.

If you like skim through this post and fleetingly read it, or call it bullshit, like I am guessing you'll do

hoopernikao:

Is like the emotions have risen again. Learn to calm down. You cant be erring in interpretation and likewise desert correction yet you are full of emotions.

Emotions doesnt change the truth. Ask the pharisees? So, calm down, read properly and write as a believer.

Acehart:
“Let your gentleness be known to all men.”

hoopernikao:
Did you actually read the bold you copied and pasted? Seriously? not an addition but emphasis? Even quoting holy men of old?
You better write your own too and add your emphasis, you can actually claim that Jesus appeared to you and penned them down in his own word to emphasize the scriptures.

Like i told you, until you start to appreciate the sincere, unaided word of God, you will always not see anything wrong even if a verse is torn out, so far it is torn by "holy men" who can quote 2 Pet 1:21.

Acehart:
Muttleylaff, Let us look back at 1 Corinthians 13:12: “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.” Paul acknowledged that he had not received all of the information God wanted him to have and give to us. Later, the Apostle wrote in 2 Corinthians 12:1: “I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.” Years afterward, Paul wrote his epistles—Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Philemon, and 2 Timothy—and they were the full revelation of God for this the Dispensation of Grace.

Didn’t Paul write in Colossians 1:25-26 that one of his divinely-ordained roles was to complete God’s Word?:

Colossians 1:25-26: Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,

Later, Ephesians 3:1-4 explains:

“For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles- if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you; that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ”

Aren’t we learning the knowledge God revealed first to Paul, by reading his epistles of Romans through Philemon?

If we say that Faith, Hope and Love are on the way, how come Paul says that hope is established in the New Testament (2 Corinthians 3)? How come Hebrews refers to Faith as substance of things hoped for (futuristic expression) and the evidence of things not seen (retrospective expression)? Of which the Faith the writer referred to is Christ, the author and finisher of Faith? Didn’t the scriptures say, “the testimony of Christ is the spirit of prophecy”? Then Paul’s prophecy concerning the “Perfect is coming” could well be the “Testimony of Christ”, the written gospel.

hoopernikao:
Of course, mentioning tongues without saying unknown cant be sensible to you as you said. It is obvious looking at your thought, you wouldnt mind adding any word to the verse to drive your point. When you cant stay to read the bible firstly without another man's thought (italics), then there is a lot hanging

hoopernikao:
Over 100 translations that stay put to take the word as "tongue" based on Original and not "unknown tongue" dont carry the true meaning. Sometimes i wonder if you check things you write.

The Use of Italics in the King James Bible
... Clearly, the words in italics were not miraculously given to the translators by God as additional inspiration the same way He did as recorded in 2 Peter 1:21, “holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

Neither are the italics there to add emphasis. The words in italics in the King James Bible are words that were added by the translators to help the reader better understand the intent of the passage translated from the original languages

https://kjbrc.org/the-use-of-italics-in-the-king-james-bible/

hoopernikao:
Sadly also, that even in your wrong line of thought that tongue is foreign human language (that means it is known), that is enough for you to know that your interpretation already pointed to the fact that it isnt unknown if known in another location and the unknown is relative to location.

hoopernikao:
You must learn to read the scriptures and take it as it is than trying to wrestle your thought in as you have shown all through your words in this thread. Assuming for the bible, extra-biblical explanation and experiences without scriptural judgment.

Acehart:
I have been in church for a while. Sometimes, it feels like no one cares whether you fellowship with them or not; we have a “soldier go, soldier come; barrack still remain” posture.

Acehart:
This brings this question: “when will these three gifts come?” I ask with respect to ‘love’.

Acehart:
I understand, I’m seeing as you see. Could we know what Paul meant by “That which is perfect is come”?

Acehart:
I had a discussion with a man a couple of years ago; we spoke about many things especially about 1 Corinthians 13:10. There was a friendly impasse. What do you think Paul meant, Muttleylaff?

Acehart:
I like the bolden. It seems to be the best description for its present state. Advice taken.

meekhat:
False teachers and influencers everywhere! The end Jesus Christ forearmed us is finally here!
Thank God I know the truth

Acehart:
I am also on the same page with you when you said earlier that the gift of tongues has been discarded because it has achieved it aim. Please be careful of friendly fires

Myer:
You know how to beat around the bush.

The bone of contention here is simple.

The tongues we are exposed to nowadays, are not foreign languages but gibberish.

Pastors have found away to capitalise of the "unknown tongues" and indoctrinated believers to speak gibberish in the name of speaking in tongues.

Are you aware that some churches actually teach their members how to speak in tongues?

Please, show me where it was written in the bi le that the gift of speaking in tongues was taught?

Let's not kid ourselves, speaking in tongues might actually be real just like working of miracles might have been real but what we have today is a product of indoctrination and perversion.

Myer:
We can say the bible speaks of 2 types of tongues;

Known- for evangelism to unbelievers.

Myer:
Unknown tongues- for personal edification and edification of the church (believers)

Myer:
Honestly, can you state categorically that you have spoken in another language (tongue) to evangelise to an unbeliever?

donnie:
That they live in the land of Kush doesn't mean they're Kushites. Remember they were first driven out of the land thousands of years before we were driven out. Many Bantus lived in the land of Kush and migrated along the Nile at different times in history. There is hardly a Bantu tribe that cannot trace it's origin up to Nubia/lower Egypt/ along the Nile. So there are Nilotics in Sudan, Uganda, and Kenya and there are Bantus. We know the difference. They too know the difference. Where we are now self was the land of Kush (ancient Ethiopia). Forget the European divisions we have today.

The Gikuyu of Kenya and the Abayudaya of Uganda for example are well-known Bantu tribes with very rich and ancient Hebrew cultures. For instance, The Gikuyu seers have been watching over Mt Kenya (which is actually biblical Mt Zion) and the ark of the covenant, and ancient scrolls for centuries. Many of their ancient customs and traditional rites are unmistakably biblical according to the Torah. I love watching them. The Abayudaya are known to be descendants of Kind David and have maintained this oral history and Hebrew customs for centuries.

h t tps://youtu.be/OfikHjojDF8?list=PLKKvopZqRA5jHlDb5C5PPcvLLL1Z72pNc
[s]You should be grateful for what I am sharing these with you[/s]. You go and copy modern history from people who have been rewriting history ever since and think I will take you seriously.

MuttleyLaff:
... You'll find out that whoever controlled the presence then, rewrote the past, rewrote history lmao. History, is always written up by conquerors, by winners and victors anyday. C'est la vie, that's life.

donnie:
You are not able to find your so-called red Jews ...

donnie:
... so you've resorted to using cows.

donnie:
SEE even Budha was not spared

donnie:
Let me help you ...

Africa is not the name of a nation or race. It's a continent named after a Roman general (Leo Africanus) and which houses several nations of people who are generally dark skinned. A large portion of the land (esp. sub-saharan Africa) is occupied by blood descendants of Jacob.

donnie:
Let me help you. That is an African look no matter how you twist it. They don't look Bantu though, even though I know Bantus with same complexion. The so-called "blacks" as we are called is actually not the case in the real sense of the word. Those who might come close to that are the Nilotics (Cannanites). So when we say MESSIAH was black, we are using the general terminology, because we have same ancestry. Doesn't have to be the color of my eye brows.

Nevertheless, Africa is not the name of a nation or race. It's a continent named after a Roman general (Leo Africanus) and which houses several nations of people who are generally dark skinned. A large portion of the land (esp. sub-saharan Africa) is occupied by blood descendants of Jacob.

See Nilotics...

donnie:
[img]https://s7/images/donnieRedbrownBoys.jpg[/img]

And what color is this?

eplanning:
The man in the video has red skin na. Abi make e resemble whitie?

Islam does has no room for such stupid lies as white Jesus. Soil is mixture of red and black. Resulting in different shades of brown.
[s]You're arguing like you want them to be white[/s]. Why not show us an image of your so-called red race, so donnie can tell you wia they're actually from.

Prove those scientist\s wrong and stop venting anger. Also prove wrong the authentic sources and references donnie provided which show true Jews are black. You just disappear and resurface with insults.

These are ruddy people here, so your oyinbo logic will not work

eplanning:
Show us the reddish brown. Or is it the afro- wearing whities you mean?

Prove the scientists wrong.
Prove the historical sources wrong.

eplanning:
The man in the video has red skin na. Abi make e resemble whitie?

Islam does has no room for such stupid lies as white Jesus. Soil is mixture of red and black. Resulting in different shades of brown.
You're arguing like you want them to be white. Why not show us an image of your so-called red race, so Donnie can tell you wia they're actually from.

Prove those scientists wrong and stop venting anger. Also prove wrong the authentic sources and references Donnie provided which show true Jews are black. You just disappear and resurface with insults.

These are ruddy people here, so your oyinbo logic will not work

eplanning:
The conclusion of the whole matter...
Awon Jesus is white, wia is you?

eplanning:
You sef, why you dey argue blindly, abi out of point?

eplanning:

eplanning:
LOL @ white Africans

eplanning:
ROTFL!

Maximus69:
There is a huge difference between slave and servant!

Slave ~ human kidnapped and sold to rich people, the slave could be killed at owner's order.

Servant ~ one working to earn money or forced to labour in other to clear a debt, unlike the slave master or mistress of a servant will be held responsible if anything happens to a servant.

If there were no slave business back in those days {Genesis 39:1} Abraham can't have slaves!

Maximus69:
Abraham the patriarch had slaves and Jesus never said anything against it.

It's the rebellion in Eden that led to so many evil things mankind practiced but Jesus had to take it one after another.

Note that Jesus never handled money throughout his ministry, an indication that we won't also need money in God's kingdom.

But for now mankind is working out things gradually after considering thngs making it difficult for us to live together in peace.

Jesus actually worked hard blot out racism and politics from the minds of his followers, this has helped them to continue in the concept of forming a global family.

Even after Christianity has been firmly established, first century Christian still had slaves, both masters and their slaves embraced Christianity, that's why Apostle Paul wrote in his letter to Christians in Colossea to treat each other well despite the gap in their social status! Colossians 3:23

OLAADEGBU:
There is a difference between slave trade and having slaves/servants. Don't we have slaves/servants in Africa? Is it not different to what obtains in the middle east today?

kkins25:
I justbread the damn thread again.
Didnt realize many years agi that dear budaatum was also a reader..
Muttleylaff sounds like a different person today self.
The exist of the op and others have really watered down this section.
Leaving us withs scraps from that oraoye fella..

Goshen360:
Brother, permit me to hold my piece because I said from beginning I'm in a learning mood in this thread....my energy will come later...you sabi me tay tay...I'm studying with you guys now. E fe fi kweshun pa mi ni?

Finallydead:
Oh I very well can relate. Trust me. The discomfort I speak of is in the moment of exertion from your inside where the groans rise from after which there would be great joy and relief. A certain note of victory

Finallydead:
No iota of mischief here, Mutt. These are holy, spiritual things, we can't get loose with them. It's exactly what I said. When you pray in an angelic tongue, it is your spirit man himself praying, anointed by the Holy Spirit definitely, but your spirit is the actor here while your mind/reasoning is at a loss on what is being said. This is no mere human language either.

Finallydead:
But when a groan rises from your bowels, it is the Spirit Himself from within your human spirit expressing His own intercession. That makes this groaning the highest intensity of prayer although both will be rightly termed praying in the spirit.

Finallydead:
There are even more dimensions of praying in the spirit like prayer burdens etc. but each is unique.
We'll just have to stay on course and avoid them. For this thread, we focus on tongues.

Goshen360:
As regards this tongues topic....whatever anyone is pulling out from Acts 2 is welcomed. Readers and learners will definitely study with you guys

Goshen360:
Btw, you didn't answer the kweshun at the beginning of page 6 to you though. Maybe I missed your response or you missed to respond.

Goshen360:
^ ^ ^
Now understood and will put that into perspective as the discussion continues while we wait for hoopernikao to comment and hopefully we can move on in the discussion. I have more question(s) though that I will ask from scripture and let you put your explanation above into the scripture.

However, let me ask again another question that readily comes to mind so I dont forget and I'll relax a little again so the discussion can continue. How do you put your above explanation into the light of these scriptures 2 cor. 5v17 and Heb 8v8-9 ?

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

.....or better still,

.....a new covenant/testament....Heb 8v8-9

Keeping in mind, our new life in Christ is not an upgrade or improvement to our old Adamic life neither is the new covenant an upgrade or compliment or improvement to the old covenant/agreement/testament or are you saying our new life is upgraded or improvement to the old life, new covenant/agreement/testament is an upgraded or improved old covenant/agreement/testament?