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Kobojunkie:
Nope! The bible places no such requirements on my person

Yup! The bible is littered with such requirements on all believers.

Kobojunkie:
Nope!
Here is a thought for you
Did Jesus, with consistent and conscientious regularity to show empathy in words, thoughts, deeds and/or actions to others(that includes the pharisees)?

True and pure religion is birthed out of love and compassion. This is bible fact. Love and compassion are the parents of true and pure religion

Kobojunkie:
The answer to that should clue you on whose expectations you confuse there with God's

Your response doesn't add up. You aren't clued up on it and is you're repeatingly taking out of turn

IamMichael:
Hey MuttleyLaff, tell us what religion is...Looks like you really have the right knowledge of it.

Your wish is my command.

Religion, is consistent and conscientious regularity, to show empathy in words, thoughts, deeds and/or actions to others. I can go further more on that but that there is enough to make sense of what religion that is true, pure and the sort God won't fault nor find flaw with.

Kobojunkie:
And you think you do?

How do you mean?

1/Aren't you according to the Bible, which of course, lmao, you ethusiatically and passionately believe in, expected to with consistent and conscientious regularity to show empathy in words, thoughts, deeds and/or actions to others, hmm?

2/ Does #1 "... consistent and conscientious regularity showing empathy in words, thoughts, deeds and/or actions to others" breed spiritual illiteracy!

ONEarrow:
the likes of oyedepo, adeboye, tb joshua, suleman, chris oyakilome, pastor oritsejafor etc now living rich and flashy while you're still poor thinking of how to pay your next tithe and offerings..the covid19 exposed them all, never in my life would i have believed that a virus would shut down churches and mosques..unbelievable!, i heard they all hid their faces..lol

Everyone will reap what they sow. It is an unfailing principle.

COVID-19 aka Coronavirus aka Aunty Coro exposed quite a lot. It demystified. It removed the confusion, removed the false aura of invincibility and prowess.

With the help of COVID-19, with the tide going out, we got to find out who has been swimming naked.

sonmvayina:
They are not real stories.. They are allegory and metaphors.. They are meant to teach us certain spiritual principles and values.. Every culture has theirs...

God is the universal divine consciousness... Personified.. The personified name varies from culture to culture.. The creator of the heavens and the earth. He is not a man or human being and most importantly NOT PART OF CREATION.

sonmvayina please explain yourself
1/ How do you mean "God is the universal divine consciousness"?
2/ How do you God is personified?
3/ Yahushua Ha Mashiasch aka Jesus Christ is son of man, meaning He is an offspring of mankind or human being.
sonmvayina, are you then saying that Jesus Christ is not God incarnate?(i.e. is not God embodied in human form)
4/ Who is the creator of the heavens and the earth?
5/ Who most importantly is PART OF CREATION?

sonmvayina:
And you know these because you read it from a book or because you had one of those Eureka moments?..

Some of us know because we do have it and some dont have it or they refuse to have it, lmao

I am waiting for you round the corner bend, lmao, please don't think I have forgotten about you or that you've been left off the hook. You of course know what I am talking about, lmao.

ONEarrow:
it was recorded that moses turned river to blood,rod changed into a sepent,his hand made leprous,..lots miracles were recorded but the one that drew my attention most is he divided the red sea! you believe that?

Is that all?
What of Enoch and Elijah then? Do they getting got up in the air baffle you too, lmao, hmm?

Perfectbeing:
People sing "it shall be permanent, it shall be permanent. What the Lord has done for me, it shall be permanent". Yet they don't believe that their salvation is permanent.
The most ridiculous part of it is that most times what they are singing about is a house, a car, a job, or a spouse.
So they believe that their car is permanent yet salvation that Jesus died for to give is temporary!

Religion breeds spiritual illiteracy!

"What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this:
to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world. "
- James 1:27

You don't have an idea. You don't know what true and pure religion is, lmao. Pfft You havent a clue what religion without a fault or flaw is. Smh.

ONEarrow:
the people in our world today are into religion fully without even thinking for once the origin,how it all started,who wrote the religous books..the contents or info inside can be confusin when having a rethink,miracles beyond imagination(to be continued..)

Kayouzka:
Thanks for your information ride on
Let them know...
Religion is a scam!!!

StrikeBack:
Knew this since 1876

Religion na business

sonmvayina:
The elites and leaders need it, to make the citizens more governable..

IamMichael:
I'm happy my people are waking up!

"What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world. "
- James 1:27

You lot don't have an idea. You don't know what true and pure religion is, lmao. Pfft You havent a clue what, religion, without a fault or flaw is. Smh.

Fearcom:
She can't.
When I showed her what God's word on how God loves man and how we are to show the same love to everyone, she couldn't show me where SHE SAID THE BIBLE PERMITS MEN TO BE TREATED LIKE INFIDELS.

Human beings easily forget that the blessings of the Lord maketh rich and adds no sorrow. Except the Lord builds a city, they LABOUR IN VAIN THAT BUILD IT! Psalm 127:1 Job9:29

She has forgotten that LABOUR without FAVOUR equals FRUSTRATION as it's the Lord who gives power to get wealth

She should ask Peter, the most experienced fisherman who LABOURED ALL NIGHT YET CAUGHT NOTHING. Luke 5:5

When people remove God from the centre and place things like self sufficiency, their physical strength and their mind power and money, when the storms of life come, their real character will beade manifest.

The storms of life come to everyone. We arent immune to it.

With all the money and riches Job had, everything was destroyed in one day. I personally know many people who are popularly called "Millionaires of yesterday". Were they lazy??
NEVER!! How do you think they became rich in the first place

What am I saying It's a huge blessing for a man to be physically healthy and be able to work and provide for his family. What happens if the storms of life come and due to illness, adverse circumstances, tragedy etc and the man is unable to work??
She carefully and meticulously didn't address this. On top of this she has been very rude to people she doesn't even know and cannot identify offline.

I actually know someone here offline who she has insulted who infact is a millionaire!!! And am not talking peanuts!!! That's very bad and it's very sad.

No matter how rich a man is, if he knows you won't be there for him when the road is rough, that's a RED FLAG!

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you.

After going through the follow up tunmiluabi posted in response to your scathing lmao subtle dressing down, albeit to a certain degree a deserving one, especially if you understand the psychology or working minds of women and the divine mandate ascribed to man, man in this context is referring to the male in this partnership, I couldn't not help not feeling that tunmiluabi and his estranged wife arent believers. I dont mean organised church goers, but actual they arent God of the Bible fearing couple.

I give it to tunmiluabi, for not washing his dirty linen in public and praise him for covering up his missus' unclothedness.

My advice to tunmiluabi, is to make peace with God, seek His Face and presence. To pray for grace. We already thank God for giving tunmiluabi the power & knowledge to create and get wealth. It takes three to get married and love is tribe - the Lover, the Beloved and Love. I won't labour the last sentence because this post is meant to be short and sweet

tunmiluabi, needs to look up the life of Naval and Abigail (i.e. 1 Samuel 25:2-42) and study every detail in it and then afterwards, review how he wants to go on in life.

I admire certain qualities displayed by tunmiluabi, who comes across as a fair minded, level-headed and undomineering male person. These are traits atypical of the classic Naija man.
Of course, the hand what life dealth out to him at the beginning was mediocre and this lead to all sorts developing on both fronts. Respect for husband was lost and love for missus equally too was lost.

tunmiluabi, I am guessing you're of a Muslim background, nonetheless, I want to refer you to Genesis 2:8, 15, as it seems, you are familiar with the Bible somehow. If you can spot it, you will find that, right from the beginning what in that verse ties in with what Ybaby was advancing. Infidel, is synonymous with unbelief, a person not believing in divine purpose(s), promise(s) pronounciation(s) and power(s)

You have a divine mandate tunmiluabi, according to that Genesis 2:15 above, to dress and keep everything placed in your care, lmao. Of course, this includes your missus to enhance, beautify her, pretty her up, decorate her, improve her, grace her as in be a facilitator that will bring the best out of her and make it possible for her to reach her full potential. I read you say, she is intelligent, her distinction is a testament of this.

There is a lady called Sarai/Sarah, without her husband insisting, she voluntarily accepted and called her husband Abram/Abraham her lord. This is her, unashamedly saying this man, her husband, owns her, that he is her owner, the same manner and/or way, a landlord owns a land or house.

"²⁸So husbands must love their wives as they love their own bodies. A man who loves his wife loves himself.
²⁹No one ever hated his own body. Instead, he feeds and takes care of it, as Christ takes care of the church.
³¹That's why a man will leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two will be one"
- Ephesians 5:28-29, 31

There is no equality in love, as the lover, always sees the beloved, as way up placed on a pedestal a "bae", before anyone else, so beyond comparison, while the beloved, sees the lover as without an equal

I don't want to go on as I've already overstretched my limit, but will now say, seek your Maker's face, pour out your heart to your Maker. Confess your destination to your Maker and don't give the situation oxygen. I no doubt know your heart desires will be respected. Miracles do still happens. You are an intelligent guy, who understands how to connect dots. A wise person sees things, which an ignorant person will require volumes to understand. No human heart wants love for five minutes or five years, but forever. It is well bro.

In fairness to her, she did.
Click on the above mention to see the verse

RiyaGoddess:
Thanks Bodydialect57
Thanks MuttleyLaff, I will drop excerpt from a section of the book soon.
Thanks Darato Amin Jesu!
Eshe Sir Ajibade 123

Thanks Riyadhgoddess

You could just take a smartphone camera snapshot taking picture(s) of a page or two, then attach as jpg here or simply just paste it here.

PS: Riyadhgoddess please cc or mention me when you do provide the excerpt. Thanks

Kobojunkie:
The only love that is pure is Love that is of God. No other kind of love will do. Oh, I have done acts of what I call love, and then I have obeyed God and acted in obedience to him who is Love. I can tell you that my kind of love does not compare to God's kind of love in anyway.

Bible 101, would let you know you that out of the no less than seven expressions of love, it is agape love, of course, all along that's what's being discussed here. Agape love, as in meaning, unconditional love, a love with no strings attached.

God is Love. We are expected to exude this extra-ordinary trait of God. You are expected to exude the God kind of love, not necessarily your kind of love, if you can help it and/or have the grace.

Kobojunkie:
Funny you should ask that particular question. In fact, I learnt how to properly wipe my arse, after praying to Jesus about it. And I am happy I died to my ego and did that too.

I bet you learned how to make sensual and passionate love with your partner from Him telling you too. He even taught or showed you how to pick your nose, I suppose too.

Kobojunkie:
Again, this is simple! If He says jump this high... don't try to complicate it. Just do what He says to do is all. Try it his way and see what happens

Jesus wasn't rolling out a prayer script for the disciples to parrot read out.

If He had said when you want to jump, jump like this and then jumped six feet in the air. He wasn't expecting you to from then on be jumping six feet in the air all time you jump
Amy.

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe just about anything qualifies as religion.
Now, for the sake of this discussion, can we say that religion typically refers to traditions or rules that are adhered to with consistent and conscientious regularity.

"What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world. "
- James 1:27

Kobojunkie:
Nah!! Bullpiss!!! Your idea of love and compassion may not agree with the next man and so on and so forth. So I don't want to even begin to tell you how I have learnt that man's idea of love ain't exactly always appealing. But God's love is the only love that can get us that Eden we all desire.
I have seen the man's love in action, and it is as unholy as man remains.

Any love that is pure true and the sort God won't fault is game, whether it comes from me or you. I am sure you've done acts of love from having compassion upon the recipient. No?

Kobojunkie:
God is not man that I should have to do that though. What Jesus said about prayer is what I believe. And He was straight forward about what was to be expected in all cases. Anything different from that, I see as a problem that requires resolution

With the utmost respect, are you trying to say Jesus said anything about how to wipe your arse clean after doing a business. Pfft. Smh.

Kobojunkie:
So, if I say to you, "I want you to stand akimbo like this".... are you saying that I do not expect you to stand akimbo, just as I have shown you to do?

If prior, I had asked you to show me how to stand akimbo, then of course, I'll learn from how you are showing me to stand akimbo.

Stop trying messing about, go Google the phrase just as I earlier advised you to.

Kobojunkie:
But God never asked you for Religion in the first place. Jesus tells you that you nullify the power of God when you practice these cultures and rules of men.
Love and compassion?

Kobojunkie, anything can be called religion including licking lollipop but there is only one true and pure religion, a religion you cant fault or flaw, lmao

Imagine for a moment. What a better place it'll be, if for all the care in the world, us humans naturally have love, compassion and empathy.
Nirvana, utopia, paradise, Eden revisited all rolled into one. Hmm?

Please look up James 1:27, for the religion that is pure, true and the sort God approves of.

Kobojunkie:
Man is a god unto himself as well but that does not make him anything exactly like his creator.

Who is talking of the Creator aka God?. In your own right, you are a god, but you arent the god of Nairaland nor an archangel of Nairaland aka supermod, talkess ordinary angel of Nairaland aka mods. You run to either of them trio to bail you out concerning issues on Nairaland bothering you.

Kobojunkie:
I do know what the words "like this" connote. I also know it also implies "as is"

Why not just plonk "like this meaning" into the Google search field, for size nah. It surely should come up with results saying it means "used when you are showing someone how to do something" (i.e. something like how to pray, lmao)

Ybaby:
[s]
infidecious baba
Alabobowado meaning feed him and climb him[/s]

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You no kon get brain at all, na dat dey inside.
Iyawo alapa ma sise

Ybaby:
[s]Infibobo.... infidel bobostica

King of infidels

The only infi in all the infidels[/s]

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My friend shut up, you're a nuisance.

Ybaby:
[s]I have a genius idea.
Try selling these your GIFs and pay some school fees - get some respect at home[/s]

Ybaby:
Talika alagidi

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Your mumu no get part 2

Ybaby:
[s] The pain of an infidel
You can swear na money to look after your kids you no get.
Small Boy you are shameless[/s]

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So much ignorance on this post

Kobojunkie:
I am still drawing a blank

Religion based on love and compassion

Kobojunkie:
Nairaland is not God. You don't compare the created to the creator in even that manner. Matthew 7vs 7-11

Nairaland has a god who determines what goes on and what doesnt on Nairaland

Kobojunkie:
No, he did not teach them a MODEL way of praying.
How did Jesus put it? In matthew 6vs 9 , He said, "Pray then like this....". He never said anything about this being some model or there being some technique to it. He simple response to his disciples, is just that, a simple response.

Google up what "like this" means, lmao

Ybaby:
[s]You are inconsequential why will I go and be checking infidel account what kind of nonsensical move is that.

I am not that kind of woman to be checking after castrated men.... after they have maltreated you at home ... you come on NL and be talking profile

A man started this forum that you have built your 4 x 4 hut on.

Ko iranu Yago fun mi jo

Ole no yoju... lazy bones

All I said is provide for your kids not for me... see how you are puffing[/s]

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"Coat o nshe ẹgbẹ agbada", loosely translated means "Coat and babaringa arent mates"
"Ẹtẹ lo ma gbẹhin ẹ", loosely translated means "You will be disgraced out soon"

Ybaby:


You are so pissed...

[s]All because you donot want to pay your children school fees...
Chai
O da sorry. Eat your wife's sweat
Hell know no fury like a lazy and poor man asked to leave his wife money[/s]

See eyes like fadeyi oloro

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Go check my Profile signature text, you'lI see that I was put on this earth to do two things, piss people off and make people smile.
Which lucky one are you?

Ybaby:
[s]Ode
He is not paying his kids school fees

They are beating him at home and treating him like shiiit like infidel....

Abeg o.....madam is calling you.... and you dare not run or else no dinner for you for one week.

[/s]

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Joblessness of the highest order
Smh, this is the sort of thing, kept woman like this one here, gets up to

Ybaby:
I will abuse you..
Watch!

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Bring it on. Komadafun abuse
Hin no go beta for abuse father

Ybaby:
I did not sir.
[s]If you promise me you are paying your children's school without your wife's help I will read it.[/s]

Why am I not shocked or surprised you didnt read, you hardly can spell well or correctly, so reading must be a challenge.

Ybaby:
Plus busy men hardly have time to write epistle

Busy under santa's yoke men hardly have time to write illuminating, advisory Bob, the builder posts.

Ybaby:
So sorry I didnot read it

"Ashiri tu", loosely translated means "breeze don expose fowl yansh"

Sunshyne200:
Your previous comments and this is so instructive, might be from a females angle, but it's entirely the truth.
Pardon me; are you married, single or taken?

Ybaby:
19 years happily married and provided for.... a kept woman

She's married to an Igbo brother. She's Ijebu and still a learner

Ybaby:
Infidels and epistle 6 and 7
They will write a whole novel [s]so they will not pay thier children school fees or shelter thier family[/s]
E ku iranu

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Trust nothing the matter, hmm?
"Mi o ro boya oka epistle nah sef", loosely translated means "I doubt she read the alleged epistle sef before commenting"

tunmiluabi:
I appreciate your lines and I thank you for making me understand a lot of things I might not have known. Also permit me to look at your feedback line-by-line and word by word.

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Life happens and most wives especially in a society like NG prefer to be married at least for appearance sake so for a woman to go from angel to witch ... it takes 3 months.:

Are you telling that marriage is so Artificial that the society need to redefine its requirements... Maybe there should be a law that states explicitly - that considering the natural state of mind woman and the maximum period for a woman to go from an Angel to a monster... A divorce proceeding can commence after one year when either of the party is not able to provide a certain percentage of material expectations, Maybe it should be a criminal offence? Maybe we will all sit and think well before we get into an "artificial contraption".... pls just saying. Are your telling me that WOMAN is inherently weak and deprived of any sense of good judgement and GRACE? Are you indicating that the WOMAN is mentally and spiritually WEAK by nature. My parents, in the face of the worst situations they have lived together for 55years, even they still hold hands till date. I take inspiration from their life. My mother at no point in time said anything bad about my father even when we knew he was wrong, neighter did my father. I am not perfect, but I have foundation that kindles my believe. Even the best and the richest people have their problems?

Now for better for better not worse ..... that statement does not supersede the man being an infidel or worse than an infidel when he cannot provide. They will be together but he will leave by himself when the fury of hell is brought on him:

If the man is infidel because he cannot provide, what is a woman who cannot BELIEVE and see through the situation. The word INFIDEL as used in the Quran needs not be taken out of context context. Muslims on the forum can expatiate. I would like to know.

No one is more resilient than women - she is programmed to carry a child for 9 months - but no matter how.much money she has..... for emphasis I will repeat no matter how much money she has - [b]she is not programmed to shelter, feed or cloth a man least of all her husband:

Yes I agree. As human we are capable of doing what pleases our hearts. I would have believed aside fro wisdom, mental and spiritual resilience takes precedence in all life matters. The consequence of a life without them is glaring. If the WOMAN can see through nine months of excruciating pains and still was able to give birth even when there no guarantees that child will live. What do you think is the lesson learnt? All she does is BELIEVE. It just like attending primary, secondary, university and even spending a lot on master degree for rare knowledge. Still life does not guarantee anything to anyone. Its never weakest or the strongest that wins the race of life. Its our capacity to wait for that CHANCE and TIME that matters. Opportunity come with preparation. Is the resilient WOMAN able to stand FAIR and FIRM. I believe it take a special WOMAN to see this.. There are so many. We have women who are married to the poorest of the poorest men and still come out unshakened. I will share a typical example with you if time permits. There are so many men who are married to women with terrible life challenges long before they got married... So are even disabled and even cant bear children. It takes the special MAN to see beyond the situation. There are so many. I really think you line undermines the natural capacity of the spiritual resilience of a woman. I have a mother you know.. I can still remember events.

See the bible said worse than an infidel - meaning he will be treated worse than an infidel:

Yes it true again.. They are only emphasizing the place of the MAN in a home. His failure is the failure of his family. He has to perfect his ways to enhance his family. Failure to do is tantamount to a gave consequence. There is no point for me to even tell the position of the Holy Books on the woman who betrays her husband... When we use the Holy books for definitions that requires more explanation and we refuse to STANDOUT, we will be digging more holes than we can fill. So I will be staying away from using the Books. We need to remember that our children can either be male of female. Our position goes a long way in shaping their future. If we teach your children to make money we need to emphasized that life is beyond the materialism that come with it, hence he/she might priorities money over affection, and would prioritize lust or love. There are still so many rich who are not happy and there some many wealth married woman who are not. Same goes for single males and females. Rather than living our lives, our deprivation and fights through our children there is need to always emphasis the grace that comes with living with or without the wealth that comes with living. The truth is that any of these does not guarantee any happiness for anyone no matter you status or state of mind in life.

A man is practically useless in a family setting if he is not providing :

I would beg to disagree. It takes a great family to stay together in times of challenges. It takes grace for them to overcome. It takes a wise man/woman to see through the situation. If man is lazy, I agree it is terrible, if a woman is lazy it terrible. But take it or leave it, Living is choice but life does not even guarantee you a happy ending. So behind a a successful woman is a man with grace and behind a successful man is a strong woman. If your read through history most great people rise though the ashes and with the support of the Special people who are able to trust and believe in them. It does go a long way.

My overall take on your position: No aspect of life is guaranteed not even to the richest, poorest, the strongest or weakest. No amount of hard-work will position you. If LIFE chooses they can remain poor for life, for all it cares. Time and chance are spiritual. It for the SPECIAL ones only and its not negotiable. If that time comes and life imposes a marathon on you, you can step aside, continue or start all over again. You can even fill yourself with HATE. Life does not speak our language. I am a living testimony to this. I graduated as computer Engineer (not with the best of grades though). I believed I could never get a job I so desired, not to forget that I had in my SSCE (6 - A1, 1 -A2 and C4 in English). What if I was not educated. I will sit down now and blame myself as if education guarantees wealth. In the face of challenges we all need some one to lean on. I have had my share of brilliance and struggles, have no doubt that either of these can surface at anytime. There are some many of our sisters and brother suffering absolute injustice but because the society dictates how we much react, and who is responsible for what roles, they keep quiet and die in their silence. I started a business which took us so far but was not really promising. Although that was one business I always loved and cherished but life gave it bashing. If the one you married ans trust can not see your struggles but spit it in your face. Its time to redirect your energy not matter the consequence. Thanks to my upbringing and the support of my Aged parents and siblings. If I may tell, my wife too finished with a distinction from Yabatech but all she got for SALARY did not pass for brilliance. She is tremendously brilliant. Still, we lived on the low...

I never realised what I thought was not useful 14years ago was going be my JOKER. I was forced to go back, dusted my books and fought to be relevant again. On the day of my interview they did not believe I was so CHEAP. The agreed take home with benefit salary was R115,000 naira per month. But to my surprise, the offer received had a different amount. I give God the glory and still cry till date. Never realised I could earn that much despite lack of real profession engagements. I passed test with minimum of 80%. I cried and cried when I saw the results. But grace smiled on me. Please note that I only received my appointment sometimes in November 2019. It was a prioritized position. I asked myself WHY NOW? Not after I have lost everything. I will forever be grateful to friends who stood with me not by me, who saw me responsible enough to feed me when I had nothing to eat, who borrow me clothes and shoes for my many interviews. I thank my my friend who borrower his best Suit for the last interview. I also thank the one that gave me his shoes and tie as well. I did have my times and I thank thank God for the experience. But most importantly my aged parents who said they don't want to hear complain, they wanted me to live again. I am a generally happy person, I am not perfect, I get angry, I cry and I will not claim to be a saint in the challenges that ended my CHERISH MARRIAGE. There is really no gain without pain... It was my journey and I embraced with all sense of dignity. For the record I NEVER HAD ANY WOMAN EXCEPT MY WIFE. Moreover, I did not have time... I was only dedicated to overcoming my challenges.

We can say whatever we want to say. Life will never pay a good person with evil. It will only test your resilience to see if you can manage the situation. Constituency and dedication is gift I will continue to cherish. I did not let my challenges change my person, I still smiled, even when close friends and family members knew I was not happy. The bathroom was my friend, that was my space to cry and when I am done crying I will leave and smile again. Nobody till today know why I moved out (at least from me) but I will keep it like that. I will have nothing to gain or loose. I only decided to tell my story after many advice on similar issue on this forum. I get taken aback by the comments and wonder why we can sit behind the desk an spit FIRE instead of reconciliation, yet we want to have a relationship or we already have one. In a relationship you will never know the truth. Be quick to judge but be patient to spit it out...

Thank you.

Ybaby:
1 Timothy 5:8
"But if any man have not care of his own, and especially of those of his house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel"

Thank you.

After going through the follow up tunmiluabi posted in response to your scathing lmao subtle dressing down, albeit to a certain degree a deserving one, especially if you understand the psychology or working minds of women and the divine mandate ascribed to man, man in this context is referring to the male in this partnership, I couldn't not help not feeling that tunmiluabi and his estranged wife arent believers. I dont mean organised church goers, but actual they arent God of the Bible fearing couple.

I give it to tunmiluabi, for not washing his dirty linen in public and praise him for covering up his missus' unclothedness.

My advice to tunmiluabi, is to make peace with God, seek His Face and presence. To pray for grace. We already thank God for giving tunmiluabi the power & knowledge to create and get wealth. It takes three to get married and love is tribe - the Lover, the Beloved and Love. I won't labour the last sentence because this post is meant to be short and sweet

tunmiluabi, needs to look up the life of Naval and Abigail (i.e. 1 Samuel 25:2-42) and study every detail in it and then afterwards, review how he wants to go on in life.

I admire certain qualities displayed by tunmiluabi, who comes across as a fair minded, level-headed and undomineering male person. These are traits atypical of the classic Naija man.
Of course, the hand what life dealth out to him at the beginning was mediocre and this lead to all sorts developing on both fronts. Respect for husband was lost and love for missus equally too was lost.

tunmiluabi, I am guessing you're of a Muslim background, nonetheless, I want to refer you to Genesis 2:8, 15, as it seems, you are familiar with the Bible somehow. If you can spot it, you will find that, right from the beginning what in that verse ties in with what Ybaby was advancing. Infidel, is synonymous with unbelief, a person not believing in divine purpose(s), promise(s) pronounciation(s) and power(s)

You have a divine mandate tunmiluabi, according to that Genesis 2:15 above, to dress and keep everything placed in your care, lmao. Of course, this includes your missus to enhance, beautify her, pretty her up, decorate her, improve her, grace her as in be a facilitator that will bring the best out of her and make it possible for her to reach her full potential. I read you say, she is intelligent, her distinction is a testament of this.

There is a lady called Sarai/Sarah, without her husband insisting, she voluntarily accepted and called her husband Abram/Abraham her lord. This is her, unashamedly saying this man, her husband, owns her, that he is her owner, the same manner and/or way, a landlord owns a land or house.

"²⁸So husbands must love their wives as they love their own bodies. A man who loves his wife loves himself.
²⁹No one ever hated his own body. Instead, he feeds and takes care of it, as Christ takes care of the church.
³¹That's why a man will leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two will be one"
- Ephesians 5:28-29, 31

There is no equality in love, as the lover, always sees the beloved, as way up placed on a pedestal a "bae", before anyone else, so beyond comparison, while the beloved, sees the lover as without an equal

I don't want to go on as I've already overstretched my limit, but will now say, seek your Maker's face, pour out your heart to your Maker. Confess your destination to your Maker and don't give the situation oxygen. I no doubt know your heart desires will be respected. Miracles do still happens. You are an intelligent guy, who understands how to connect dots. A wise person sees things, which an ignorant person will require volumes to understand. No human heart wants love for five minutes or five years, but forever. It is well bro.

Ybaby:
My bro every man has a 3 months grace to get his shit together.

Life happens and most wives especially in a society like NG prefer to be married at least for appearance sake so for a woman to go from angel to witch ... it takes 3 months.

Now for better for better not worse ..... that statement does not supercede the man being an infidel or worse than an infidel when he cannot provide. They will be together but he will leave by himself when the fury of hell is brought on him
No one is more resilient than women - she is programmed to carry a child for 9 months - but no matter how.much money she has..... for emphasis I will repeat no matter how much money she has - she is not programmed to shelter, feed or cloth a man least of all her husband.

See the bible said worse than an infidel - meaning he will be treated worse than an infidel.
Teach your sons how to make money. Let the girls go to school and let the boys learn to trade and go to school.

A man is practically useless in a family setting if he is not providing

Ire o

Ybaby, please provide the bible verse talking about a kept husband being worse than an infidel. Thank you.

Kobojunkie:
And what religion would that be?

You don't know?
Think of an act that is pure true and such you can't fault or find flaws in. What would that be?

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe Denials and/or delays are answers. Not according to Jesus Christ - at least not according to His parable of the sower.

They are answers alright. Try getting your next response post on to Nairaland by shouting out the text, instead of physically typing them out and typed out in the right place, then fill me in, on what response you got. What you think it is going to be, a denial, a delay or request granted?

Kobojunkie:
When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, what was Jesus' response? He gave them Lord's prayer.... not a slew of different types of prayers as you suggest there. Nope! Jesus said, "When you pray, Pray like this....". So for me, prayer is just as simple as Jesus said it ought to be really.

Go back to re-read Matthew 6:9-13, there you'll find that, whatvJesus actually did with them, was teach them a model way of praying.

He introduced them first with a novel idea of addressing God in an endearing manner. This of course would have been alien, strange and shocking for them because the Hebrews/Jews/Israelites never pronounce God's name. They address and write God's name with blanks, placeholder or omitted alphabet because they considered His name to be Holy and they dont want to say it in vain etcetera

Anyway, Jesus then continued with teaching them how to enter His presence, then how to adore and praise God, then how to acknowledge and appreciate God's purpose and/or plan, then how to recognise and admit our dependency on Him, went on to how to seek forgiveness from God and teach how to forgive others, then finally how to recognise God is our Protector.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus and his disciples encountered at least 5000 people that we are told of in the gospels, I doubt mentioning her name would have made the story any different than we have it

Mentioning the name gives the woman an identity and makes the charge stand up. Of course, it's a frame up, so no need identifying her.

Kobojunkie:
The woman was indeed guilty as she had been caught in the act

Where is/was the evidence? Where is the smoking gun? None and because there was no man. She was stitched up, same manner, Jesus later on would be framed up on false accusations.

Kobojunkie:
It is not ironic or non-typical in those days that the male sinners were not subjected to the same punishment. I mean you only need to read throught the 613 statutes of the old covenant to understand that women were no better than property or slaves according to those old traditions and so it is no surprise that the woman the only one dragged out to be punished.

In the beginning it was not so, that women be no better than properties or slaves according to your overly exaggerated old traditions. You cant deny the world, as is still is now, was a man's world to live in then.

Those 613 commandments piggybacking on Hammurabi laws actually looked out for women, widows, slaves among other things.

Kobojunkie:
While religion in and of itself is man-made, that does not then mean that the concept of prayer then is man-made.

There is one religion that isn't man-made. Others, of course are, but there is one religion that God doesn't find fault in, that He doesnt ser flaws in

Kobojunkie:
Prayer is an offering made to God, and in my case, I am certain, without a doubt that God does in fact answer prayers. Why does He it appear that He does not answer all prayers? I am still working towards understanding the reason for that myself

Let's use Nairaland as a case study. When you get mistakenly banned from posting, who do you reach out to? Do you go to your local police station about it? Do speak to your browser about it? Do you just randomly click on any green space on Nairaland to have it resolved? Nah, bet you are getting the drift, that you need to follow protocols, you need to abide by the rules laid out that sorts out things like that. You need to appropriately go about getting the matter addressed, otherwise "prayers" won't get answered. The policeman is in no position to help you with your Nairaland banned issue, that's something for the God of Nairaland and it's angels to help out with

Quick fyi, God always answers all prayers. Denial and/or delay are answers.

Kobojunkie:
However, that is not to say that God does not answer prayers or that prayer is meant to help man's mind in some way. That idea is Bullpiss! Prayer is a cry for help,... that is what it is. If we truly had all we needed to answer my own prayer, our own cries for help, then we would have no real reason to cry out for help in the first place, would we?

You have an abysmal view of what prayer is. Prayer, can be devotional, kind of giving thanks to God for His Faithfulness, Lovingkindness, Goodness, Grace etcetera than being a gimme, gimme cries.

Prayer, can be intercessional, where you stand in the gap for someone else or other people. Prayer, is an opportunity to talk with God, a chance to be in His presence etcetera