Kobojunkie: I am not afraid to consume whatever knowlegde is out there to help me better understand what has been and what is.
Whose talked about afraid? It is one thing to consume It is another thing to know how to consume straw and know when or how to spit out sticks.
The BoJ, the BoE, the Book of Noah, the Book of A&E etcetera are works of fictions. They each are fabrications. They are reverse engineering literal works. Except you are skilled and/or in separating the wheat from the chaff, then don't go near them because you'll only end up getting more confused that a mountain goat that wandered lost on to an Astroturf field.
Kobojunkie: Was Funaki simply pointing out the inequality in the Bible? Or was he making a statement about How unjust the Bible God seemed to be as far as women were concerned? I am still trying to understand his stance in all of this
Neither. He was pointing to certain inequalities in the Bible and not saying the Bible promotes inequality.
Kobojunkie: The Culture of men was such that women were no better than property and it was not surprising that they were treated appropriately.
We apparently still live in a predominantly man's world and culture still, after Jesus over 2000 years had absolved the woman
I doubt your generation will ever live to witness a woman Naija head of state.
Kobojunkie: If you are referring to the woman who was caught in the act of adultery, it appears she was indeed guilty and Jesus knew of her guilt. Following their own laws, they were ready to put the woman to death right there and then. I suspect Jesus invoked the law of Sin and Death, and the possible guilt that each one of them carried, in getting them all to drop their stones and walk away.
Please scroll up to catch up and read on that woman allegedly caught in the act of adultery
MuttleyLaff: "1Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd. 4“Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?” 6They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust. 9When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?” 11“No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”" - John 8:1-11
Fair enough, the woman caught in the "adultery act" doesn't have a name mentioned to her, right? Hmm, but have you ever thought, why doesnt the woman have a name? Also, why wasn't a man caught in the act with her or why wasnt there, a man caught in the act with her brought forward also?
Well, this whole matter smells fishy, and so, simply points out to the fact that, this was a set up, to get Jesus, as the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees were a wicked and desperate lot, who have been running out of patience with Jesus and so an innocent, home alone woman, was dragged out of her bed to the "market square" and deliberately made to look guilty for a not real and present sin.
The adultery charge against her was an invention by the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, created in order to deceive. This is why there is no and/or was no man was caught in the act. It, altogether and all along was a fictitious adultery act she committed. The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, fabricated all this, based it on false information, and so this woman was falsely accused of doing something wrong that has a punishment of death by stoning. This all just done, in the quest to trap Jesus, get Him into trouble, a dilemma, vicious circle and/or in a tough nut to crack situation.
The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, with stones in their hands to ready to unleash, eagerly waiting Jesus' judgement, obviously were saying amongst themselves, "He is not going to say she hasnt sin, would He" and "or is He going to now", they probably thought too.
The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, believed they have got Jesus in a tight corner and/or spot, that is not easy to escape from and that they have given Jesus a difficult John 8:5 question and perplexing problem He wouldnt be able to resolve. This was a practice session for the teachers of religious law and the Pharisee, as they later and eventually became very skilled and proficient at setting people up, on trumped up charges and be sentenced to death, that similar, in the end, was done to Jesus too.
Even if there was a man caught in the imaginary adultery act, isnt it ironic and typical that he was allowed to escape and so be let off the hook and noose. Anyway, Jesus being all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing saw through their whole charade, fraud and monkey busines, so no harm came on the woman and the rest is now history because God always has the back of the defenceless
Kobojunkie: If you have ever read from the Book of Jasher, you would admit that it is more likely the situation was generally more gruesome for anyone who went against the culture of men during the time in question.
Who reads the BoJ, lmao, the other half of the BoE, twins spawn of Satan. Fyi, these books were very popular in the first century. They were best sellers of that time, similar to the likes "Da Vinci Code" authored by Dan Brown of our time.
In the absence of toilet tissue paper? I'll gladly use both books to wipe my arse with. Pardon the language please. There is one befitting and very good place for those two books and the likes like them and thats to be flushed down the toilet.
Going back to the woman criminalized and brought into the open to be stoned to death without the partner male, when the law was that both should be stoned, just shows the inequality, the injustice and bias against women that Funaki was hinting to.
This was a lot more nastier than it looks when looked at only at the surface, because there really was not offence or crime committed. The woman was fitted up, as in, meaning, she was set up for something that never happened. This is why a man was not available to present and bring forward, as evidence, just as she was.
The woman, based on her apparent well known past, was dragged forward before Jesus, on a trumped up charge of having committed a non-existent adultery. Jesus saw through the web of lies and the rest is history that the woman was let go unharmed.
Funaki: My conclusion was a man could commit a crime and go free while a woman will be killed if she commits the same offence. I never said men were commended or not for committing sin. Did I?
David lineage came from the act of Judah sleeping with a "prostitute".
Kobojunkie: That is a serious leap in logic... not a valid conclusion considering you also admit that the actions where not judged as right or wrong by God. And? this is wrong or right or what?
I have based on merits and without bias been liking each of Kobojunkie and Funaki posts.
Now, Kobojunkie, there is a very well known biblical narrative example of exactly what Funaki advanced about women being criminalized and the man going scot free for a mutually committed offence
Acehart: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; (Ephesians 2: 15, KJV)
With regards to the scripture text above, Ephesians 2 v.15, the word ‘Abolish’ is used. Abolish, a verb (attached to an object), means to “formally put to an end to (a system, practice, or institution).” Its etymology is from the Old French word, aboliss, from the Latin word, abolere meaning ‘destroy’ (Oxford Dictionary of English: 2010).
The Amplified Bible adopts the use of the word; annul, from the noun, annulment; The Fifth edition of the Oxford Dictionary of Law defines the word annulment as:
1. A declaration by the court that a marriage was never legally valid. 2. The cancellation by a court of a bankruptcy order, which occurs when it considers that the debtor was wrongly made bankrupt.
3. The setting aside of legislation or other action by the European Court of Justice.
What then is the ‘object’ that was abolished? It is the Law of Commandment contained in The Ordinances. The ordinances are also known as the Law of Moses or the Mosaic Law. Apostle Paul also refers to it as “the Letter” (2 Corinthians 3:6) or “the law” several times. This Law is different from the Law of God which is found in Exodus chapter 20.
You may ask, “What is the difference between these Laws”? Firstly, the Law of Moses was written by the hands of Moses (Deut. 3:9, 31, 24) while the Law of God was written by the finger of God Himself (Exodus 31:18). The Law of Moses was temporal and ceremonial in nature: they regulated the Levitical priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat offerings and drink offerings, etc. It had in its confines laws that regulated the society; laws of food, of purity, of morality, and instructions on whom to install as a king when Israel demands for one.
The Law of commandments contained in the ordinances, the Mosaic Law, are bound between Deuteronomy 4:48 and Deuteronomy 28:68; we see ordinances concerning prohibited food, divorce, tithes, cities of refuge, leprosy, first fruits, etc. This Law, which was written in a book (Josh. 8:31, 2 Chron. 35:12) was placed outside the holy ark of covenant (Deut. 31:26) and deteriorated with time (Josh. 8:32); in contrast, the Law of God was written on a stone (Exod. 31:18, Exod. 32:16) by God Himself, placed within the ark, under the mercy seat (Exodus 40:20), and it endures forever (Luke 16:17, Psalm 119:160).
The clearest indication that these two Laws are separate is given in the Book of Daniel, Chapter 9:11 (when Daniel was praying to Jehovah):
We have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him. (Dan. 9:10-11, NKJV)
Other differences between the two laws are listed below:
God’s Law, the Ten Commandments, was audibly spoken by God to the hearing of all Israel; Exodus 19:9 says, “And the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I come to you in the thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you forever.” (NKJV).
The Law of Moses was not spoken audibly to the hearing of all who were in Israel but to Moses, to whom the Law was given in private. (Exodus 21:1)
God’s Law was commanded by God Himself on Mount Sinai [Deut. 4:13-14, 2 Kings 21:8]
The Law of Moses was commanded by Moses [Deut. 31: 24-26, 2 Kings 21:8].
The Law of God was written by God Himself (Exod. 31:18, Exod. 32:16).
The Law of Moses was written by Moses (2 Chron. 35:12).
The Law of God was rewritten by God Himself (Jer. 31:33).
The Book of the Law of Moses was rewritten by men (Deut. 17:18, Josh. 8:32)
The Law of Moses made nothing perfect (Heb. 7:19).
The Law of the Lord is perfect (Psa. 19:9, James 1:25) and makes perfect (Psa. 19:7).
The Law of Commandments contained in the ordinances, the Law of Moses, was hostile to all men and women; and was against all; and curses all men under its influence (Col. 2:14, Deut. 31:26, Gal. 3:13).
The Law of God does not grieve anyone and it blesses (Psa. 119:1, 1 John 5:3).
The Law of Commandments contained in the ordinances is carnal and is termed “The Carnal Law” (Heb. 7:16, Romans 7:25).
The Law of God (Romans 7: 25) is termed “Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:2) or “Grace” (Romans 6:14-15).
The Law of Commandments contained in the ordinances, the Mosaic Law, kills (2 Cor. 3:6).
The Law of God gives life (2 Cor. 3:6, Prov. 3:1-2).
The Law of Commandments contained in the ordinances justifies no man (Gal. 3:11, Romans 2:27) and judges no one (Col. 2:16).
The Law of God judges all men (Jam. 2:10-12).
The Law of Commandments contained in the ordinances was made for the unrighteous, lawless, ungodly, sinners, killers, whoremongers, homosexuals, thieves, liars, blasphemers, lawbreakers etc. (1 Tim. 1:10 – 11).
This law made for sinners was also called the Law of sin and death (Romans 7:8, 23, 25; Romans 8:3).
On the other hand, the Law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus, the Law of God, was made for the just and righteous (Titus 3:4-7).
The Law of Commandments contained in the ordinances condemns everyone as a lawbreaker (James 1:9); its purpose is to reveal sin and condemn the sinner (Romans 3:19-20).
But, there is no condemnation to all submissive to the Law of God (Romans 8:1).
The Law of Moses is termed “Bondage” (Gal.4:24, Gal.5:1).
The Law of God is termed “The Law of Liberty” (James 1:25, 2:12).
Why was the Law of Commandments contained in the Ordinances added to the Law of God, you may ask?
Galatians 3:19 says, “What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added [later on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt] because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning whom the promise had been made. And it [the Law] was arranged and ordained and appointed through the instrumentality of angels [and was given] by the hand (in the person) of a go- between [Moses, an intermediary person between God and man].” (Amplified Bible, Classic Edition)
This text shows that the Law of Commandments contained in the ordinances was supplementary; it was added to the Law of God due to the wickedness of the children of Israel; and its edict was to be in effect till the seed of Abraham was revealed.
Concerning the ordinance of divorce; the seed, Christ Jesus (Gal.3:16), said in Matthew 19:7-8: They say unto him, why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so (KJV). In verse 9, Christ raises an objection to the Law of Moses (governing the Jews only) and enunciates the Law of God to all men – Jews and Gentiles, concerning divorce: The Legislation of Moses was a deviation (though a concession (with the right intention) due to the decadence in the hearts of the Jews) from the eternal standard of righteousness embodied in the Law of God; it wasn’t God’s design for marriage since men sprung into existence, and Christ re-establishes the original law – the Law of God; thereby, revealing the civic yet temporary nature of the Mosaic Law.
Many problems we have either as Christians or Athiest or opportunists is this: we don’t read especially as black people.
I’m sorry for my long writeup (which I’ll delete soon); but I’d be glad to answer your questions if there is any ambiguity or vagueness.
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MuttleyLaff: You first came to my mind, when few days coming up to the end of the past year, I read about customs raiding shops and seizing second-hand clothes from them, saying they got info, in other words, someone snitched that the clothes were brought in illegally. I hope you arent affected sha, as I am aware you deal in that line along with other things you do
"14You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a basket. Instead, they set it on a stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matthew 5:14-16
Well done Riyadhgoddess.There are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates and the glare that obscures. The former, is what you've been seen to passionately, energetically pursue and consistently do.
You go through stuffs, pick them up, dust them down, then wipe and brush them until they bring out a shine, the lustre, the sparkle, and the light in them. You're a light that's being seen to defy and define and expose darkness.
By the way, do you know the meaning of grace aside the usual one? Well, grace, is a moment of epiphany, that lets you see things in a complete different perspective. It's a gift, that's you are only able to feel when you have a mind opened enough, with the help of the Spirit, to receive it.
May you, las las, kiyamosa, receive all your heart desires in the name of Yahushua Ha Mashiasch. Amen (i.e. Psalm 37:4)
Keep the torch flaming Riyadhgoddess.
PS: Are you able to paste here or provide a link of an excerpt from a section of the book?
sonmvayina: Are you been funny or you just a morooon
Do you see me laughing? Morooon ko, Moroccan ni
You forgot adding an intelligent response to the analogy about if you carefully place a priceless vase upon a table, does it mean, that the vase is mating the table
You of course forgot, all because you were so preoccupied with aiming to dish out infantile insults.
Why this hmm, sonmvayina? Perhaps, it's a reflection of something else, hmm? Maybe something like, I have no intelligent responses to give and so I'll just put out insulting posts instead.
sonmvayina: You need a man's sperm to Impregnate a woman,you should know that from your simple biology....any other thing is in the realm of mythology..
sonmvayina, with the utmost respect to you, we've both being up this "man's sperm to impregnate a woman" garden path before, when I shared an excerpt from a copy of my New Scientist magazine, the weekly 14th April 2018 edition with an article titled "No eggs. No sperm. No womb".
On page 30, of the magazine, it states, just as I previously had shared with you that: "We can now create life without the need for sperm or eggs ...."
The only reason why God needed Mary, among many other things, is because a person is Hebrew, by virtue of the ethnicity of the mother. It is about the seed of the woman.
sonmvayina: So you agree with my acertion ...I did not see you provide a contrary information..
I disagree with you respectfully sonmvayina. I disagree with you saying God mated with Mary and that is the reason why the intro in my post, gave you an analogy about when you carefully place a priceless vase upon a table, it doesn't mean that the vase is mating the table sonmvayina. Isn't that right, hmm?
sonmvayina: the messiah is from the root of David...he must have a father and a mother..jews do not have the idea of god mating with human, it is a Roman/Greek ideology...
When you carefully place a priceless vase upon a table, does that mean that the vase is mating the table, hmm, sonmvayina, erhn?
sonmvayina, you back from your ex-Roman Catholic Church days, no doubt have read that God is not into all those scandalous, frivolous, overactive sexual escapades and/or illicit affair acts going on between gods and goddesses or even with human beings.
donnie: I know about greek mythology. YAHUSHA was born of a Father (His seed is the WORD) and of a woman
"The Angel answered and said to her, “The Spirit of Holiness shall come and the power of The Highest shall rest upon you, therefore he who shall be begotten in you shall be Holy and he shall be called the Son of God.”" - Luke 1:35
The woman was impregnated through the means of the Spirit of Holiness and the overshadowed power of The Highest to produce the begotten Son, God incarnate, Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and expected Saviour of the whole wide world. Praise YAH Alleluia.
It is very important to catch and understand properly the meaning of the word "Holy". That word is translated from the Greek word "hagios," and simply means to "set apart for a purpose by and/or for God"
donnie: Read about Simon Toko of Angola? Let me know if he qualifies to be Messiah by your standards.
"For there will arise false christs, and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones." - Matthew 24:24
sonmvayina: it was created on the order of emperor Constantine..he wanted a single religion for his empire..Christianity was the product of the council of nicea...the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk, ..Marduk was the son of enki..it was Athanasius who in other to satisfy all factions said he was both god and man....and probably Eusebius was mandated to create a human history for him....'make it to astonish' was emperor Constantine order to Eusebius...and the gospels where written accordingly...
Eusebius, yep was a historian and did, enjoy the favour of the Emperor Constantine enough to suck up to him and no doubt definitely played the piper to the dictates of Emperor Constantine. It still doesnt exonerate you from your contradictions though, lmao.
EMILO2STAY: shut up. If u don't know what your talking about. Emperor theodosius made christianity the official religion of Rome not constantine
MuttleyLaff: Nwanne you brought me over here by your spamming chronic appeal plastered all over the Religion forum, urging all and sundry, to come visit this thread.
Hmm, defective and elementary you typed? Those that leave in glass houses, shouldnt be throwing stones. Nwanne, Christianity, never started in any upper room on any day of Pentencost. Christianity, as in, Constantine Christianity, in cahoot with the "church" started in Rome
"I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin —a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law." - Philippians 3:5
"Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said," - Acts 13:9
Also Paul, was not as you put it, formerly Saul, this is because Saul and Paul were both already existing names he was known by. As a matter of fact, Saul was his Hebrew name, whilst Paul was his Roman name.
Paul had dual citizenship, he was both Roman and Jewish. He after the Acts 13:9 experience, stuck to using his Roman Paul name, for obvious reasons of the the work ahead and terrain he will be working
I am currently at page 6 since steadily reading from the beginning, but needed to interrupt my reading, in order to quickly interject immediately, as like above and at this point and right here, to say that, legendary'mega is right, in what and where, he typed that the Catholic started Christianity, this so, because the Roman Catholic Church was formed, after shady deal(s) and/or sell-out to the State by the "Church", as it was the Roman Emperors Constantine's and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all, as in, this was a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire, and so paved the way for Christianity to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire too.
The introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences was a tragic compromise by the early believers, as this resulted in the Romanization and paganization of the early believers' faith and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs, as we not just know but celebrate then and celebrate even up until now.
Anyway, the Roman Empire, adopted the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) as "official" church during Roman Emperor Constantine's reign, and it's worth noting, that, the supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy or pope) was set up, put into place, aided and abetted through the support of the Roman Emperors (i.e. notably Constantine and his successors)
Recall that I earlier mentioned the Edict of Milan in AD 313, which was a letter signed by the Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius, that proclaimed religious toleration in the Roman Empire, well, in AD 325, Constantine called the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose, like for example Arianism, all about doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D and so Constantine presided over this first ecumenical church council
So quick recap, by the 1st century AD, ekklēsia birthed on the teachings of Jesus Christ and later founded on the day of Pentecost in the upper room with a bunch of 120 believers.
By the 2nd century AD - believers already denouncing teachings, seen as heresies, such as Gnosticism, Montanism etcetera.
In the 4th century AD - ekklēsia was transformed, emerged Christians, an evolved "church", finally gets legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I, as the state church, of the Roman Empire and so yes also that, legendarymega is right, that the Catholics, are the original owner of your bible, because truly, the RCC are the original owner of your bible version(s), because incidentally and truly, those versions were made off the back of "The Vulgate", which was an accepted Latin translation of the original Old and New Testament texts.
Some even called, "The Vulgate", the "The Vulgar" bible. Anyway, Jerome, of RCC, was the person, who translated the original Old and New Testament texts and compiled them into a single volume of the 66 books we have and/or enjoy today
Too many poor and lazy history students is why he and and the likes of our dear donnie have to shut up, instead of continuing to display their contradictions, half baked bad ideas and ignorances in public, lmao
donnie: Yea right... ties perfectly with the lie you want to promote.
Are the Israelites and Edomites now in their houses right now. Are their descendants in their homes right now donnie, hmm? Are their homes not empty, a state of complete emptiness or destruction, a place of great unhappiness or loneliness? That is what God has made of Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) house, it is empty and deserted fit only for desert jackals to live in, just as is the lot of the Israelites, who have been mongrelised, starting from the first exile done by the Assyrians, then the Babylonians, before the Romans in 70 AD
MuttleyLaff: ... If you could just see what I've cooked up for you unfinished here, you'll be demoralised and your over-inflated ego crushed that will make you go find a corner to go weep and cry in. Smh.
donnie, continue from wikipedia (i.e. History_of_the_Jews_in_Nigeria), be copy and paste here, OK. You think you're being smart doing that, hmm? Fyi donnie, wikipedia is no good to anyone, if you are not able to separate the wheat from chaff, lmao
Look at you. Smh. I feel so sorry for you. What has the tribe of Ephraim, an arch antagonist, the leader of the Northern 10 lost tribes of Israel have to do with the Southern Kingdom of Judah, comprising of the tribe of Benjamin and the tribe of Judah.
If I should drop two or three bombshells on you, here right now about the Yorubas and Ndigbo, you'll fall yakata off from the high horse you're are comfortably sitting on. It is because of your ignorance, that you are taking refugee with Cameroon, lmao. Have you dont a DNA test that ascertained that you are from there, lmao, hmm? Why dont you say you are from the Kaifeng Jews? Oh, its too far away abi, lmao? You're boko, lmao.
You see your life, lmao. Do you see what conjecture has gotten you, lmao, smh.
Have you at all, heard of the Latin text Dum Diversas (i.e. in English, it means ''until different'') It is a papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas V. It authorized Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude" lmao. In 1455 Romanus Pontifex(The Roman Pontiff) gave Portugal the right to seize slaves and land in West Africa. In 1456, another Pope Calixtus III, repeated by the earlier papal bull.
Then in 1493, Pope Alexander VI issued another Papal Bull "Inter Caetera" (i.e. its latin and means ''among other [works]'') with what it extends the spheres of influence to certain nation states by authorizing Spain and Portugal to colonize the Americas and its Native peoples as subjects. The decree gave Spain and Portugal, the rights to colonize, convert, and enslave forever, which is a right, as we will see, still stands today.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited by Christians. It of course, also justified the enslavement of Africans, nah.
The English King Henry VII, got in on the act in 1496 and so granted a commission to the Cabots, to go discover countries then unknown to Christian people, and take possession of them in the name of the King of England, lmao.
Listen donnie, when distinction were to be made about skin color of someone like you and I have, lmao, the Bible explicitly makes no mistake of not mentioning it, just like that and how it is, like for example, in Acts 13:1, where it states: "The church at Antioch had several prophets and teachers. They were Barnabas, Simeon, also called Niger (i.e. called the Black), Lucius from Cyrene, Manaen, who was Herod's close friend, and Saul."
donnie, I reiterate man, little learning is a dangerous thinhg, for it puffs one up, and makes one feels that one knows it all and have the world in one's grasp when that just isnt the case. You're far off mark. You are missing so many dots, so arent able to join them to see correctly see the right picture, lmao. Here are a few easy questions for you 1/ Why in the Bible, is Simeon, explicitly called black, donnie, if everyone at that time were still black, lmao? 2/ Do you at all understand at all really understand Genesis 10:2-5 and why Moses 4000 years before even Abram/Abraham and Hebrews/Jews ever existing, is he already mentioning Gentiles, lmao, in Genesis 10:5 "From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations"
PS: I'll asap finish up the response post to your other post you posted about chains, shackles, parallel prophecy etcetera, lmao
What a loadsa of bullshitting, especially when aside of the above mentioned quote, I have already on this thread, generously wrote about the papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas V, authorising Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude" lmao. In 1455 Romanus Pontifex(The Roman Pontiff) gave Portugal the right to seize slaves and land in West Africa. In 1456, another Pope Calixtus III, repeated by the earlier papal bull.
Look at the gap nah donnie, 70 AD and 1455 BC, lmao, look at the perfectly neat lies you want to believe and promote, smh lmao
donnie: How convenient it is for you to read verse 3 and ignore verse 4.
Malachi 1:4 "Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever."
So Esau has built but according to the word of YAHUAH, his kingdoms shall be thrown down and destroyed.
Esau can run or disguise himself, but he can't hide. The Word of YAH will always fish him out. And yes, they are the border of wickedness
""Do you really think anyone can hide himself where I cannot see him?" the LORD asks. "Do you not know that I am everywhere?" the LORD asks" - Jeremiah 23:24
I stopped at verse 3 because it ties in perfectly with the point I am making with Matthew 23:38 about desolation. I didnt want to introduce verse 4 to cause a distraction from the fact that both the Israelities and their cousins, Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) are toast, as far as YAH is concerned, the only way back is believe in Yahushua Ha Mashsiach and His commandments. Why? Fundamentally for reconcilition back to YAH, with of course the redemption and salvation of the soul, after which grace is made available, since Israel and the Gentile cant keep the 613 commandments
donnie: How can you be so willfully blind? Who controls your economy, is it your president or Esau?
Who controls the media? And the perspectives you have about life?
They even control the god you worship.
You are in your house now, not because Buhari decided you should have a holiday but because a few people have decided to shut down this world.
You obviously, like many Nigerians, are not in touch with reality. Reason YAH will send judgements.
Those who have a clearer world view will understand.
"Is not Esau Jacob's brother? -- an affirmation of Jehovah, And I love Jacob, and Esau I have hated, And I make his mountains a desolation, And his inheritance for dragons of a wilderness. (i.e. Esau (Edom) I have hated, and I have turned his hill country into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals)" - Malachi 1:3
"And now, look, your house (i.e. (the Israelite's house) is abandoned and desolate. (i.e. Look, your house is left to you desolate!)" - Matthew 23:38
All Israelites and all Edomites shared the same fate from YAH, they are extinct as a dodo. They're D-E-A-D, dead!
Do you at all, understand what desolate means, hmm donnie? Desolation, means, a state of complete emptiness or destruction, a place of great unhappiness or loneliness. That is what God has made of Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) house, it is empty and deserted fit only for desert jackals to live in.
You see that Malachi 1:3 part with "... left his inheritance to the desert jackals" the inheritance there, by God, means descendants (i.e. refer to Psalm 127:3: Children are an inheritance of the LORD). God, in Malachi 1:3 , is saying He has given up the descendants of Esau to desert jackals.
donnie, do you want to know who is controlling the economies of the world, lmao?. Do you want to know who is controlling the media, lmao?. Do you want to really know controls and/or dictates the perspectives you have about life, hmm? Even who orchestrates the gods people worship, erhn? Of course, everyone is in lockdown, in our respective homes now, not because PMB decided from the goodness of the government's heart that citizens should have a free and paid holiday but because a few people have decided to shut down this world. Clap. Encore. Bravo. The only thing is that, it is not Esau brother, it is not flesh and blood we struggle and wrestle against, but it is against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. It is against cosmic powers of this dark age, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens. Their tools are the gang of billionaires anti-christs
EMILO2STAY: you dey see road sha just a that I disagree with you on something's. Jesus might be black but Christianity is not an invention of Rome.
You're skating on thin ice, lmao, bro.
1/ How possibly might Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world be black, hmm? Dont let donnie, scam you with all these his bereft of 2 Timothy 2:15 and Proverbs 4:7-9 in it. 2/ What have you in mind, that's making you want to tentatively nurse such a stretch out my neck, lmao, notion, hmm? 3/ Have you yet slowly, quietly, carefully and thoughtfully gone over Genesis Chapter 9 yet?
EMILO2STAY: It is actually a display of intellectual mediocrity to call christianity an invention of rome
From the word go, there originally and fundamentally were two kinds of Christianities to start with. There was the Antioch Christianity and there was the Constantine Christianity. Both are inventions, and neither were founded by Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world. There is a very good reason, why Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, deliberately chose and consciously selected the term "ecclesia" as the epitome of what and how He see everybody called out to congregate. Praise YAH. Alleluia. I am getting goose pimples right now after typing that part about Jesus Christ and "ecclesia" lmao.
donnie: I see you are yet to recover from your previous disgraceful attempt at proving 400 years of AFFLICTION/SLAVERY in Egypt using the bible and your crooked maps. Now you have turned to Egyptologists for solution.
Our elders say, when someone gets up to accuse you falsely of stealing, many times, it is because that is what they are doing.
donnie, fyi, stones dont like you, lie. I dont trust you donnie. I trust the dirt, the dirt is always truthful. Archaeology evidences dont lie. In archaeology, you uncover the unknow, not that it is something you'll understand or appreciate, lmao. From the word go, all my info, charts are whatnot have always been partly based and centred around Egyptologists' findings, discoveries and/or solutions
donnie: [s]According to your wuru wuru chart, with dates that are at best fictitious[/s], Moses is born in 1526, 280 years after Joseph's death? Seriously So between Exodus chapters 1 and 2 is 280 years? Okay.
Yes! Of course donnie, there is a gap of 280 years (i.e. almost 300 years) between the end of the book of Genesis and the birth of Moshe, the start of the life of Moshe in the book of Exodus, lmao.
Fyi donnie, Genesis in Hebrew means beginning, and you'll agree there are many different beginnings recorded in that book and Exodus in Hebrew, means, leaving, exit and/or departure, lmao.
Now, the 280 years gap making you restless, is sandwiched between the end of Genesis (i.e. Genesis 50:26) and Exodus 1:7-10. You can even, alternatively say, the gap is between Exodus 1:6 and Exodus 1:7-10, lmao. Do you want the arithmetics, hmm?
Have the biblical facts and dates first before the arithmetic, lmao: Joseph, and all his brethern and all that generation dies 1806 BC (i.e. Exodus 1:6) Moshe is born 1526 BC (i.e. Exodus 2:2) Moshe at 40 years old leaves Egypt, went to live in Midian 1486 BC (i.e. Exodus 2:15) Moshe at 80 years old returns to Egypt 1446 BC (i.e. Exodus 7:7)
1806 BC -1526 BC = 280 years, this is the years difference between Joseph's death and Moshe' birth 280+80 = 360 years, calculated from adding Moshe' 80th birthday 360+40 = 400 years, total slavery years, calculated from adding years he took for Joseph's brethern and all that generation to die (i.e. a generation in biblical language & in this context = 40 years) 400+30 = 430 years, calculated from adding the 30 years prior to enslavement commencing
donnie: Affliction begins only after Joseph and his generation die...
Exodus 1:6,8,11 6And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation. 8Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph. 11Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.
And according to your chart, Joseph dies in 1806 and Exodus is 1446. That's 360 years in-between (not up to 400 yrs). Now if you remove the years his brethren and generation lived after him, before affliction begins, it will be even less. SO WHERE IS YOUR 400 YEARS AFFLICTION?
The rate at which you're going, you will soon bring a chart where Joseph dies before his father Jacob.
I have saved you the rigmarole, please dont go be hurting your brain cells lmao, brother MuttleyLaff has done the heavy lifting for you, lmao, dont get your pendicured finger nails damaged
donnie: [s]You are a disgrace to fellow bible manipulators[/s]. Therefore it remains that Genesis 15:13 is a prophecy about the children of Israel taken into captivity to the U.S. No amount of wuru wuru can change that.
Genesis 15:13-14 "13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. "
"Solomon loved many foreign women. Besides the daughter of the king of Egypt he married Hittite women and women from Moab, Ammon, Edom, and Sidon." - 1 Kings 11:1
"1This is the message Jeremiah received concerning the Judeans living in northern Egypt in the cities of Migdol, Tahpanhes, and Memphis,a and in southern Egyptb as well: 2“This is what the LORD of Heaven’s Armies, the God of Israel, says: You saw the calamity I brought on Jerusalem and all the towns of Judah. They now lie deserted and in ruins. " - Jeremiah 44:1-2
donnie, it is disgraceful that you are bent on propagating your falsehoods and that you are too lazy to update your biblical and historical knowledge, smh. I am not going to bore you with astonishing revealing fact in Jeremiah chapter 44, but just to say, its enough using 1 Kings 11:1 and Jeremiah 44:1-2 to bring to your attention that Israelites have always somehow returned to live in Egypt, even Yahshua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world, at one time had need, to take refuge in Egypt.
Genesis 15:13, has nothing whatsover to do with the US. The transAtlantic slave trade to the US, didnt start until the 16th century (i.e. 1619) and continued into the early 18th century (i.e. 1863/1866) when it ended,
Slavery, as a matter of fact was accidentally introduced into the US. The first 20 odd slaves arrived there after two British pirates, the Treasurer and the White Lion, intercepted the ship transporting them to Vera Cruz, on the coast of Mexico by Portuguese slave traders. They climbed on board hoping to find bounty of gold, but what they met were slaves. These the pirates seized and sold them off as booty of war and/or traded them off for victuals (i.e. food and drinks) from the Governor and Cape Merchant of Jamestown, who bought them to work on the tobacco fields.
donnie the slavery in the US didnt last 400 years, so you of course, can see how this little fact and truth drops a sediment into your little bottle of oil, lmao. Here is another bitter truth for size. Little over half a million of the 12,000,000 slaves transAtlantic transported, were brought to th US. In fact, 600,000 slaves were transported to America, as in meaning, 5% of the 12 million slaves taken out of Africa were enslaved in the US.
"20“And when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then you will know that the time of its destruction has arrived. 21Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. Those in Jerusalem must get out, and those out in the country should not return to the city. 22For those will be days of God’s vengeance, and the prophetic words of the Scriptures will be fulfilled. 23How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. For there will be disaster in the land and great anger against this people. 24They will be killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the period of the Gentiles comes to an end. 32I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things have taken place. " - Luke 21:20-24 & 32
Now, donnie, the fact of the matter and truth is that, Genesis 15:13, had already been fulfilled in Egypt, where it was talking of your seed, Israel, the nation and not your seed, an individual, Isaac/Jacob/Israel, the man.
donnie, Genesis 15:13, dusted and done with. That prophecy has long gone being fulfilled, the next one is Luke 21:20-24 & 32, and mind you, it has nothing to do with America, because this one is talking of what happened immediately after Jerusalem in 70 AD was annihilated.
You see donnie, Yeshushua Ha Mashsiach, aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, the incarnate of God, walked the Earth from about 1–33 AD made the above prophecy you read in Luke 21:20-24 & 32 above, but guess what it was fulfilled bang on the money, 40 years thereabouts later in 70 AD, lmao. This is 40 years, give or take, later after Luke 21:20-24 & 32 above was said by Him, lmao. donnie, remember Luke 21:32, it is about our friend again, here we have a generation equals 40 years popping up again, lmao. Bible sweet ooo, lmao.
Both prophecies, Genesis 15:13 and Luke 21:20-24 & 32 were fulfilled, right on time. As for Luke 21:20-24 & 32, Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, a witness at the time of the siege on Jerusalem, claims over 1.1 million people were killed during the initial siege alone, of which a majority were Jews. 97,000 Jews were captured and enslaved and others fled to Mediterranean areas and Africa for refuge. This amount dwarfs the 600,000 slaves sent to the US, many hundreds years after 70 AD.
“...And as Titus went around and saw the trenches filled with the dead… he groaned aloud, and, raising his hands, called God to witness that this was not his doing.” - Eusebius (Church historian, written circa 325 AD, book III chapter VI)
Eusebius, a church historian, in the early 300 AD, wrote the above quote, about how the Roman conquerer Titus felt on seeing the aftermath of the siege of Jerusalem. Apparently, the conqueror Titus, was so traumatised by what he saw, he refused to accept and wear the customary wreath of victory
donnie, please I beg you, wake up and smell the coffee!. There are no ritually pure descendants of the Israelites existing. With all modesty and honesty, they've all been mongrelized. That is how YAH wanted it donnie. The last prophecies in the bible were fulfilled in 70 AD and not in the 15th to 18th century, lmao. The only prophecies since then, left to be fulfilled donnie, are the ones concerning the end of the world. donnie, all scriptures in the New Testament were written prior to 70 AD and must be read with that context in mind, the context of the annihilation of the Hebrews which took place that year. The same applies to Genesis 15:13 too, please dont make the mistake of try to catapult Genesis 15:13 out of its sphere of fulfillment
I'll for now, pause here, I continue to be praying for you donnie and pray that you take 2 Timothy 2:15 and Proverbs 4:7-9 as very well, to heart. Shalom brother.
PS: I am actually surprised, you made no attempt to introduce or quote from one of your favourite books, the Book of Jasher, lmao. Like maybe, try to quote from chapter 81, lmao
donnie: According to your criminally inspired chart...
1872- children of Israel in Egypt began 1842- 400 years affliction began 1801- Joseph 110 years old, which is the age he died (Genesis 50) 1442- The exodus
You are saying... -30 years after their arrival in Egypt, affliction begins in 1842. -Affliction begins 41 years before Joseph dies at the age of 110 in year 1801. -Then 1442 is the Exodus.
Those who designed the chart simply counted backward from the generally accepted 1442 date for the Exodus but failed woefully to make the line of events fit into the 400-year prophecy.
Genesis 15:13 [13]And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
According to your chart, 400 years of affliction began while Joseph was still alive. But according to the scripture, Joseph and all in his generation had died and the children of Israel were fruitful, increased abundantly, multiplied, and waxed exceedingly mighty, ever before affliction began.
Exodus 1:6-11 [6]And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation. [7]And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them. [8]Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph. [9]And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we: [10]Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land. [11]Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses. This false chart is simply a fabrication of the criminally minded Ashkenazi Jews or Christian zionists who are still fighting to deny the fact that the prophecy of Genesis 15:13 is actually referring to the black negros of the tribe of Judah, scattered around the world and sent to the United States of America (Mystery Babylon) from the year 1619.
The trigger for their judgment is the awakening the true Israelites. When Israel awakes and returns to the commandments of YAH, judgement falls. This is what they try to avert. But they have failed and the judgment has been set. #AwakeOIsrael
MuttleyLaff: ... donnie, mister olodo rapata upon twenty, fyi the Israelites arrived at Egypt in 1876 BC. Joseph died in 1806 BC. Add 40 years to 1806 BC gives you 1846 BC (i.e. Remember, it took 40 years, after Joseph's death, for his brothers, and everyone else in that generation to die before their enslavement to begin in 1846 BC)
Now, donnie, when their enslavement, started in 1846 BC and ended in 1446 BC. The difference of this equals to 400 years of enslavement
The difference between 1876 BC and 1806 BC gives you 70 years. Subtract 40 years from the 70 years, gives you, the 30 years period that the Israelites lived as freeborns prior to becoming slaves. All QED.
Eggs don't teach fowl how to have sex, neither teach fowl how to suck eggs.
WHERE DID I SAY 360!
"Ara adugbo", my neigbours, please help from this false accuser ooo. Hin wan put marijuana pour inside my pocket ooo.
It's getting easier for me to blame your confusion and ignorance on your pitiful miseducation, false and overstated intelligence
donnie? donnie? donnie? donnie how many times did I call you. OK, please donnie calm down and fyi, I am not Ephesians 5:18a drunk on wine but I am instead, Ephesians 5:18b filled with the Spirit. Praise YAH. Alleluia
donnie, Moshe was born in 1526 BC. Now subtract the Exodus 7:7 stated Moshe's 80 years age from 1526 BC, this gives you 1446 BC (i.e. 1446 BC being the year the slavery ended)
The 320 years that you are looking for donnie, are the years just before Moshe's birth. Add the 320 years to 1526 BC gives you 1846 BC, that's the year the Israelites slavery in Egypt started (i.e. 1526 BC is Moshe's birth year, lol. At 1446 BC, he was 80 years old)
Subtract 40 years from 1446 BC gives you 1406 BC, the year of Moshe's death.
Now donnie, go gently and click on the below link, lol. It has the timeline displaying a list of events in chronological order. Of course it includes dates of Joseph's death in 1806 BC, the birth and adoption of Moses in 1526 BC, end of slavery in 1446 BC etcetera, lol https://biblehub.com/timeline/
You're either thicker than a two inch carpenter plank wood or you're deliberately pretending to be obtuse. I am not sure which is or maybe its both. You cant keep up with the facts and figures, the addition and subtraction etcetera. Your apparent cluelessness is betraying you,
Fyi, I repeat, the words, slavery and affliction, were both used in Genesis 15:13. As a matter of fact, the Hebrew word used for slavery is "abad" and the other Hebrew word used for affliction is "anah" so they were subjugated just as Genesis 15:13 perfectly prophesied it. They were enslaved or "abad" and afflicted or "anah"
Their subjugation, started in 1846 BC and ended in 1446 BC, where the difference equals to 400 years of enslavement
donnie, this is not mathematics I've done here, this arithmetic, unfortunately your arithmetic is wack. This is why you cant successfully do the sums and differences. Simple kindergarten addition and subtraction, shishi you no sabi am. Your eyes go soon clear, in Yahushua's Name. Amen.
solite3: I dont have time for a heretic like you. I know you are a so called liberal Christian, look it is either you believe the bible is God's inerrant word or not. You are saying God's revelation about himself is a product of man's dictate? God have mercy on you. You are lost!
Now, this has to be one of the biggest pile of stinking garbage I've ever in a long time read on the Religion forum. I am not surprised, it is coming from you. You afterall are a grounded turkey while I am a soaring in the air eagle. Besides, you've always been known to be an accuser of the brethren. Fyi, I am saying you're narrow minded and that you have a dim view of who and what God is. May God be merciful with you.
Something tells me you dont want to face the truth & fact(s) that God possesses feminine characters/traits/behaviours/qualities/attributes and so is why you dodged answering the questions I earlier asked you but have now repeated them below: Let me ask the following questions 1/ Does God have feminine characters/traits/behaviours/qualities/attributes or not? 2/ If Genesis 1:27 says: So God created man (i.e. mankind) in His own image, in the image of God, He created him, male and female He created them. Please tell what qualities do females possess?
donnie: If you've noticed, I have spoken politely with you inspite of the insults from you. And I am certain that you will not be able to talk to me if you meet me.
If you cannot speak respectfully, or at least sensibly, then you leave me no choice than to ignore your posts going forward. We should not celebrate stupidity on NL
donnie: Did it say love your enemies more than your family?
This is whiteman's sorcery at work... mental slavery. White Jesus has destroyed our people. We are the only race on earth who love the whiteman more than ourselves. No other race does such NONSENSE. Not, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Europeans, none. Only blind brainwashed black people, especially ISRAELITES.
With all the wickedness done around the world to your own people by Esau (white man), you haven't said a Word against such. But somehow you believe I am the one you should be preaching to because I teach Israel to Awake from slumber and to love themsleves.
An ISRAELITE produced a vaccine, they ignored him because he is black. Your leaders are ready to sacrifice your people because they love the white man more than themselves. SHAME!
Posts like yours being tears to my eyes... May YAH destroy the idols in the hearts of Israelites and disgrace false teachers who refuse to repent.
donnie joined the coveted anti-christs gang, lmao.
spartan117: No, He's simply an anti Christ. He's only beginning to manifest more brazenly right now, hence the spirit at work in him is becoming visible even to those with poor spiritual perception.
He woke and then got out of his slumper from the wrong side of the bed, lmao. He jumped out of the fry pan straight into the fireplace. He ran from the wolf in sheep clothing but straight into an embracing arms of a ravenous bear, lmao.
donnie, is more confused that Muhammad Ali was, who jumped from one slave master's name to another slave master's name lmao. From Japheth's to Ismaelites', lmao. Confusion, made him change from a christian slavemasters' name to an Arab slavemasters' name, lmao. Smh.
You better repent donnie, before your egungun, in full masquerade regalia, do mistake, go wan cross expressway during rush hour, lmao.
donnie: Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Israel broke YAH's laws, statutes and commandments. Messiah came to restore the Covenant YAH made with our fathers and to bring peace and righteousness.
Even this day, Israel is still making and bowing down to idols. Israel is following religion, serving strange gods.
"9When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God shall give thee, beware lest thou have a mind to imitate the abominations of those nations. 10Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard, 11Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or that seeketh the truth from the dead. 12For the Lord abhorreth all these things, and for these abominations he will destroy them at thy coming. 13Thou shalt be perfect, and without spot before the Lord thy God. 14These nations, whose land thou shalt possess, hearken to soothsayers and diviners: but thou art otherwise instructed by the Lord thy God. 15The Lord thy God will raise up to thee a PROPHET of thy nation and of thy brethren like unto me: Him thou shalt hear" - Deutronomy 18:9-15
"29Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these" - Mark 12:29–31
You are no better than those bowing down to wood (i.e. the cross) and stone (i.e. the Kaaba) You're actually worse off than they are, lmao donnie. You better repent before it gets late to.
davidinchrist: Colossians 2:16-18,20-22 KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH days :
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. [18] Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, [20] Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, [21] (Touch not; taste not; handle not; [22] Which all are to perish with the using,) after the commandments and doctrines of MEN
MuttleyLaff: "Then Jesus declared, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. (i.e. The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath)" - Mark 2:27
Mark 2:23-27, contextually, even shows how our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ, explains, that God did not have the Sabbath and then man to serve this day. That, the Sabbath, actually and/or in the first place, was made to serve man and to be for his/her benefit, as well, as being. Our bodies are not concrete, cement nor wood. We need to rest, so to regain expended strength and power so to manage and/or maintain our health, well-being and wellness. The other truth of the whole Sabbath matter, is that God didnt necessarily have to rest, but He, leading by example, did. He acted in this way, to show us how to act. Leave to us we will work round the clock, running and chasing after money until we run ourselves down, run out of steam and then unceremoniously fall to the ground and prematurely just like that drop dead. You dont lead, "thou shall not... thou shall keep my ...," by lip service, you lead by example. The "lead by example," is not the main thing, in positively influencing us, it is the only thing, lol. Leading by example is the most powerful advice you can give to anyone, and so after the sixth day, God rested on the seventh, lol ...
solite3: Did I say God is human? Is it only humans that have gender?.
Let me ask the following questions 1/ Does God have feminine characters/traits/behaviours/qualities/attributes or not? 2/ Genesis 1:27- So God created man (i.e. mankind) in His own image, in the image of God, He created him, male and female He created them What qualities do females possess?
solite3: God reveal what he is, and he is a 'He' simple, why does it bite you so hard? See, that God is masculine does not mean he is human but he is not a genderless God like you imagined..
God has male and feminine characters/traits/behaviours/qualities/attributes, it does not mean He has gender or He is gendered. God is genderless
There are characters/traits/behaviours/qualities/attributes about God that men more directly project and there equally are characters/traits/behaviours/qualities/attributes about God that women uniquely and more directly project
solite3: You cant compare God to earth, or non living things. The feminine or masculine tag was attached to non living things by humans but God is not so, he revealed himself as a masculine being and He is because he is true. Learn to comprehend before quoting.
I used the earth to explain and make you see how third person pronouns are used for every other object. It was not with any negative comparison in mind. I used the earth to try explain to you that though third person pronouns are used for the earth it doesnt mean the earth is gendered, the same manner is not gendered. What is that difficult to understand in that, erhn?
Listen, mister man, the only reason why third person pronouns are used by God is because we live in a patriarchal world, a world since the fall of man from grace controlled and ruled by men. Besides that solite3, fyi, when we call God, Father, it is not because God is male or He is like hunanly earth fathers, but rather it is because that God wants to relate to us like a responsible, protective, caring, providing, leading etcetera human earth father does but on a superior, higher, divine and heavenly terms
Finallydead: We Christians haven't really understood the place of the law and until we give it it's rightful place, the ultimate plan of God will elude us. As Muttleylaff rightly said, the statutes of God are eternal. Not a single iota of the Torah will pass away until all are fulfilled in Christ(Mt5:18). We should aim to fulfill the Sabbath now through faith in Christ. Just as Paul points out, there is a Sabbath ahead for every believer to labour to enter after their initial faith(Heb4:1, 9-11). What is the Sabbath? It is the rest we come to where we no longer work but God does all the work in us as seen in the Lord Jesus(Jn14:10). It is experiencing this same oneness He had with the Father where EVERYTHING in our lives springs out from His work within(Jn17:21) We labour to enter it by seeking God daily, surrendering everything to Him, growing in prayer until He perfects this work in us and we no longer do these but He does all.
Let no one be deceived, we can never enter into this rest until we have truly surrendered our entirety to God.
Muttleylaff: ... Mark 2:23-27, contextually, even shows how our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ, explains, that God did not have the Sabbath and then man to serve this day. That, the Sabbath, actually and/or in the first place, was made to serve man and to be for his/her benefit, as well, as being. Our bodies are not concrete, cement nor wood. We need to rest, so to regain expended strength and power so to manage and/or maintain our health, well-being and wellness. The other truth of the whole Sabbath matter, is that God didnt necessarily have to rest, but He, leading by example, did. He acted in this way, to show us how to act.
Left to us, we will work round the clock, running and chasing after money until we run ourselves down, run out of steam and then unceremoniously fall to the ground and prematurely just like that drop dead. You dont lead, "thou shall not... thou shall keep my ...," by lip service, you lead by example. The "lead by example," is not the main thing, in positively influencing us, it is the only thing, lol. Leading by example is the most powerful advice you can give to anyone, and so after the sixth day, God rested on the seventh, lol
Finallydead thank you for your able and knowleageable input. May God continue to bless you with more understanding
davidinchrist: There is no such thing as Sabbath day, Xmas day, Easter day, Holy day, Good day, Bad/Sad day/Etc in the New Covenant.
Sabbath day is Old Covenant which has been done away with or fulfilled in Christ: Colossians 2:16 - 17 NLT 16 So don’t let anyone CONDEMN you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating CERTAIN Holy days or New moon Ceremonies or SABBATHS. 17For these rules are only SHADOWS of the REALITY yet to come. And Christ himself IS THAT REALITY. Every other Days like Xmas days and the likes are ALL Traditions of Men:
I know Colossians 2:16-17, and Colossians 2:16-17 agrees with exactly all what I have explained in my post. If you had took time to carefully and thoughtfully read my post, you would have seen that it agrees totally with Colossians 2:16-17. Of course with Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus, we have Sabbat.
Now besides Yahushua being the Lord of Sabbat, the Owner of Sabbat, He is our Sabbath, it doesnt mean "there is no such thing as Sabbath day" anymore as you claimed in your intro original post. Even saying "Sabbath day is Old Covenant which has been done away with" These are contradictions, on your part you dont want to face up to. Why not try working flat out, taking no break, taking no rest, no sabbath, because you want to believe that Jesus is our Rest, lmao.
Have you ever flown in an airplane, taking a flight to Abuja, Kano or Port Harcourt? How are remaining in the air without falling out of the sky. Is it because, there is no more any law of gravity? Is it because there is no more really any such thing as the law of gravity, hmm?
Try and argue nah. If you do, you'll only be arguing with yourself and the bible. I have said my own, if you go like to pick axe hang for head. I'll say the undiluted truth, if you like take it if not do as you please
davidinchrist: However, I prefer the New Covenant life in Jesus TO that of the Law in Moses (which has been fulfilled in the Reality of Christ)
Isnt that being following, applying, introducing, taking advantage of a NEW, superior, stronger, more powerful, higher and better law, hmm?
I can see that you're more confused that a goat lost from wandering on to an astro turf. Smh
davidinchrist: "But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!" - Matthew 5:20
solite3: Maybe you should write your own bible of a genderless god. You are in serious delusion
God is genderless, just the same way mother earth is genderless, same way fatherland is genderless. They have masculine and feminine characters/traits/behaviours/qualities/attributes but sexually speaking they are neither male or female
God chose the third person male pronouns to have us address Him. Had it been that it is third person female pronouns that the scripture uses, then that would have ben what we would and/or will use for Him.
The serious delusion with all due respect, is at your door step and its all down to you being close and/or narrow minded
davidinchrist: There is no such thing as Sabbath day, Xmas day, Easter day, Holy day, Good day, Bad/Sad day/Etc in the New Covenant.
Sabbath day is Old Covenant which has been done away with or fulfilled in Christ:
Colossians 2:16 - 17 NLT 16 So don’t let anyone CONDEMN you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating CERTAIN Holy days or New moon Ceremonies or SABBATHS. 17 For these rules are only SHADOWS of the REALITY yet to come. And Christ himself IS THAT REALITY.
Every other Days like Xmas days and the likes are ALL Traditions of Men:
Mark 7:7-8 NLT 7 Their Worship is a farce, for they teach MAN-MADE ideas as commands from God.’ 8 For you IGNORE God’s Law and Substitute your OWN TRADITION.”
However, the Sabbath is a symbol of God's REST in the New Covenant:
Matthew 11:28-30 KJV Come unto Me, all ye that Labour and are Heavy laden, and I will give you "REST". [29] Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find "REST" unto your souls. [30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
The Sabbath/Rest of God means Faith, Holiness, Peace, Joy AND "Security" in Eternal Life of Jesus in general, for those living to do His Will for the rest of their lives.
This Sabbath/Rest is NOT meant for One Special day or some days of the week, but ALWAYS OR EVERYDAY:
1 Thessalonians 5:16 - 18 NLT 16 ALWAYS be Joyful. 17 Never stop praying. 18 Be THANKFUL in all CIRCUMSTANCES (good or bad), for this is God’s Will for you who BELONG to Christ Jesus.
Psalm 118:24 KJV THIS IS THE DAY which the Lord hath made; we will REJOICE and be GLAD in it.
Philippians 3:1 KJV Finally, my Brethren, REJOICE in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is SAFE.
To have this Rest, one must live by FAITH and in Obedience to Jesus, not UNBELIEF and Disobedience like the Israelites:
Hebrews 4:1 KJV Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of Entering into His REST, any of you should seem to COME SHORT OF IT.
Hebrews 4:11 KJV Let us labour therefore to ENTER into that REST, lest any man FALL after the SAME example of UNBELIEF.
Hebrews 4:9 KJV There remaineth therefore a REST to the PEOPLE of God.
(See Hebrew 3:7 - 4:11 for details).
In conclusion: The Sabbath in the New covenant means a Life of holiness, peace and joy through FAITH in God: without Faith it's impossible to please God.
Therefore, we're to REJOICE and Give THANKS to God in EVERYTHING ALWAYS, NOT SOMETIMES because God makes ALL things (good or bad) to work together for good for EVERYONE living to please Him. Romans 8:28
Nevertheless, there is NO room for gloom, fear, anger, depression, worry and the likes for ALL children of God.
We need to Repent of UNBELIEF, Doubt and other Sins to enter God's Rest:
Romans 8:35,37-39 KJV Who shall SEPARATE US from the love of Christ? SHALL tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?
[37] Nay, in all these things we are MORE than Conquerors through HIM that loved us. [38] For I am persuaded, that neither DEATH, nor LIFE, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come... ...shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
May Jesus Bless You.
bro, dont get it twisted please. All principles of YAH, the Shabbat included is eternal.
The thing is, a principle and/or law is only made redundant, is only made inactive, is only made to look powerless or appear useless, when a superior, stronger, more powerful, higher and better law is involved, engaged, operated or introduced.
Shabbat, in a simple explanation, basically means rest. We are grown now. We have developed spiritually enough and have come off age to receive grace enough to realise when Shabbat should be.
Look around, YAH, has left reminders in nature, concerning the necessity of Shabbat and that's in respect of animals hibernating (i.e. taking time out to rest)
Christianity Etc › Re: Abuse Of Women In The Bible. by MuttleyLaff: 4:08am On May 14, 2020
So between Exodus chapters 1 and 2 is 280 years? Okay.
