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MacCantStopMe:
You are missing the point. The argument is showing the problem with the word "omnipotence".

MacCantStopMe:
It is a very illogical characteristic. It is one thing to do the impossible but it is another to do the illogical.
Saying that your God is omnipotent is tantamount to say that he is nonsensical and illogical to the normal human being.

MacCantStopMe:
Saying that there is nothing your God is unable to do is problematic. Can he be asleep and awake at the same time? If you say yes, then by all means, your God is nonsensical

Finstar:
What's up with the ad hominem?

Finstar:
Seems you've been looking for a perfect avenue to burst, and you just did the moment I burst your ego. But the fact remains that you're delusional.

aadoiza:
Your exquisitely wrought delineation of such dreams is certainly appreciated, but not satisfactory.
if such dreams are predicated only on hankering and past experiences your explanation would have been greeted with satisfaction. But I have had such dreams even without plan or intention of going anywhere in subsequent days or weeks.

You know what's strangest about it all? The places I see in these foretelling dreams always turn out more accurate in reality than those places already known to me as seeing in dreams.

RealMrNigerD:
It's okay. Wasn't any bit offended.

MuttleyLaff:
Dreaming like this, is what's called experiencing an anxiety dream otherwise known as a natural dream

The content of such anxiety dreams usually is a direct reflection about something seen, watched, heard, listened to or wanted and comes about as result of a want of, a struggle for, a fear of, a hope of, a hope for, a need of or a desire you have of, something.

Now because of the ambiguity over the ''something'', it is the inner man otherwise known as your spirit man, that alerts your soul otherwise known as the carnal man via the anxiety dream that what was dreamt about is concerning and needs getting dealt with (e.g. hunger or hungry, so there is a need of food to use for dealing the hunger with, hence the natural or anxiety dreaming of food)

LaEvilIMiss:
But dem no make claim like the trado-christlam faiths na weed dem dey smoke and spirits dem dey talk to.. even their own spirits no make claim

RealMrNigerD:
Oh. the Bible's a book I've not really studied. But I certainly am not gonna deny the existence of god and a supreme intelligence. I think that's just plain dumb denial.

Finstar:
I love your responses

MuttleyLaff:
So am I suppose to now wear your "I love your responses" as a badge of honour now ni

Just frigging answer the simple easy basic direct straightforward questions I asked jor

Finstar:
I don't like your response.. Kinda expected more! I engaged you in the first place because I assumed you were a little intelligent.

Finstar:
Now you're showing symptoms of a sheeple.. I will pass LOL.

Finstar:
But aside from you, I'm sure onlookers have been educated.

Religion is a scam! And believing in an imaginary sky daddy is delusion.

When you refuse to embrace this TRUTH, we will use it to manipulate and milk you..

I rest my case

RealMrNigerD:
For real? Well, I don't know about that. Maybe you could share?

Finstar:
I love your responses

Finstar:
Unfortunately, you are a victim of this great scam of the century. But do you know why you perceive other religion as untrue and false? Infant indoctrination.

Finstar:
How did we do it? Through children's Sunday school classes, morning devotion, and admonishing parents to raise their child in the way of the lord.

Finstar:
When these failed, the threat of burning in an everlasting lake of fire certainly won't.

This scam has been perfected for thousands of years, and the average minds cannot and will never break free from it.

Although we know that not all will buy into this fairytale. You know what we did? We invented a mechanism.. More like a verse,

"A fool says in his heart that there is no God"

Finstar:
If the fear of hell can't do the trick, a reward of f imaginary paradise would.

Finstar:
I love this game so much! Christianity and Islam is the game I love much. Buddhism isn't really lucrative

Finstar:
Adebayo will understand me better

Myer:
I beg to differ eventhough I know you might not want to hear this since it's like telling a son that his father isn't superman afterall.

For starters, War broke out in perfect heaven. Lucifer tried to impeach God right? Which in turn led to angels becoming demons right? I don't think perect God budgeted for that, do you?

Adam and Eve only committed 1 sin right that supposedly got us in sinful world right? How come the riggeousness of Christ could not reverse that?

God they say is the same yesterday today and forever right? Did you notice the changes in God's personalities between Old testament, New testament and apparently at Judgement Day?

Honestly, I wish i didn't have to keep doing this but it's just too glaring not to see the errors and contradictions. But i understand that religion is blindening. The same way you can't possibly convince a terrorist that the 99 virgins is all sham and scam.
God failed in so many stories in the bible but it's easier to put the blame on the fallen man.
Even Jesus came because of Jews but guess what he failed there too cos they didn't believe him. Which was why he turned to gentiles.
Since you're the bible scholar, I'll leave you to do your study. With an open heart this time.

Finstar:
I'm not an atheist. Who said I am? Not a real one please. I use religion as a tool to get what I want.

Finstar:
And I so much enjoy it when I'm able to prove the existence of nothing with something. Does that make sense?

Finstar:
If you've ever read the 48 laws of power, you'll understand that people desperately want to believe in something higher than themselves. It's an innate urge they constantly want to feed.

Finstar:
For master manipulators and entrepreneurs like myself, we leverage these to better ourselves. Do you know how much I've made so far?

Finstar:
Humans are ignorant, gullible and easy to manipulate when religion is implored as a tool.

Finstar:
In fact, it's the greatest tool so far in my arsenal.

Finstar:
I'm glad you enjoyed this

Finstar:
But do you know this the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) have lots of blueprints, and numerous empirical proofs? Shit! It gets even interesting

RealMrNigerD:
Lol. You should be the one doing more critical thinking, my friend. Don't gulp in every science read on the net without your own critical analysis.
For one, MIT's Matt Wilson's hypothesis was a gross flouting of Occam's razor. I cannot establish with his results that dogs or rats dream. It could only end in an assumption. His results were kinda like: "A" happened when humans sleep, "A" happened when dogs sleep. Humans dream when they sleep therefore dogs dream. That's just weak with one too many leaps, my friend, because A may never have been responsible for the humans dreaming. Sadly, for now, only the dogs themselves can tell us if they dream.

Second, even if dogs dream, it wouldn't take a thing away from my argument. Because we cannot even tell whether or not a dog has a soul. What do we really know?

So then, let's stick to what we know for sure.
1) We dream. We even dream of things we never thought of as well as things we have and all kinds of funny things. Some get deja vus. Some even dream of future events. Point is do we see our dream content in the physical? Can we for this inability, deny the reality of the experience which we can even tell others.
2) If the dream experience is real enough to be recounted. Then how can it be nothing? You cannot be remembering 'nothing' else you're mad. Or do you remember '' '', huh? I'm sure you don't, because that's nothing. Neither can you be able to tell someone the 'nothing' you experienced.
3) If you think a dream is the firing up of your neurons. What caused the sudden 'firing up' when you were only sleeping and doing nothing?
4.) If a dream, like a nightmare is actually nothing, why do little kids get up scared and why would their heart beat faster when this happens. Is it nothing that caused something real in the body to happen?

Maybe I should move this on to consciousness, thoughts and imaginations too from here but first answer these.

LaEvilIMiss:
I watched the Nairaland Religious section keep discussing other issues other than the stark FACT that all their pompous and arrogant claims of Healing Powers have all but failed to come to light at the greatest global opportunity to SHINE. all of them have been shut by COVID19.

No Healing Cancer, Diabetes, HIV/AIDS, Fibroids, Death, Blindness, Brokenness, Barrenness etc.. all of you and your supporters on Nairaland have continued to ignore reality as usual... when a vaccine is found you will all jump off your scammer-asses and claim God revealed it to one Christian Doctor who saved the world. Una try. - use these somber moments to reflect on your spiritual brain-cleansing instead

MuttleyLaff:
The ranting and raving of someone banging his head against a brickwall. You keep on forgetting that the earth was given off to man and so it is man's responsibilty to look after the earth, take care of the earth, find correct solutions to problem and/or ills plaguing earth. This blaming culture, looking at someone to point the finger at except for man, has to stop. We wouldnt be in this situation, if in the first place, man didnt foxtrot uniform charlie kilo up.

Make up your mind, I thought you earlier said a good day adios to me

MuttleyLaff:
I guess, you are all wise up, you want to teach God how best to do His work, yeah?
Have you ever heard of the saying, as you lay your bed so lie in it, huh? Well this is man's lot, you can't have your cake and eat it.

Man doesn't need directing, the healing is in the seed, and because he already knows that, he just and merely has to keep on chipping and digging away until he hits water and stumble on the elixir(s)

MuttleyLaff:
The rules are precepts, principles, guidelines etcetera set up to govern the policy of the universe, so to know what is allowed and what is not allowed.

Just be mindful, not to restrict genuine miracles solely to the pulpit, church grounds and/or revival crusade grounds
because some miracles will never feature in such places

finstar:
See?

Finstar:
Even the nervous system looks like a Lightning

Finstar:
Yes Sir/Madam

Finstar:
Seems you have a lot to learn regarding to dreams.

Do you know that dogs can dream? Does that mean they have a soul or an afterlife based on your belief?

Dreams are mere abstract images, partly based on your daily experiences, life, visions, desire, fear, etc.

You can sleep and dream of about being a president. Probably because you've been nursing such a desire.

You can play cheese all day, and still see yourself doing such in a dream state.

You and your lots seem to link the dream state to a kinda spiritual dimension or alternate existence.
These are just neurons firing up and down in your brain.
They don't prove the existence of anything.

MacCantStopMe:
How?
Kindly explain

RealMrNigerD:
Hear yourself now my friend so you can see the disconnect in your logic
You say a dream is the brain creating abstract images of nothingness. So, a brain, determinable matter, in an involuntary(while sleeping) flow of blood(scientificically determinable) produces a dream(not scientifically determinable) which we have no active part in making up.
1)If the above is true and you call this dream 'nothing', yet you are able to experience this nothing, then you are either a composition of nothing and something(0×1=0), which doesn't exist, a being with the ability partake in an a nothing realm and matter realm.
Or, there is just another dimension outside of this physical dimension that you are unable to determine.

2.)If the dream is a nightmare, it creates an involuntary fear in the perceiver(a child especially). This fear can lead to a scientificically determinable increase in heart pulsations in the body. All this achieved involuntarily and due only to the dream of 'nothingness'. Hence energy flow (pulse), was created by 'nothing'. First law of conservation broken. Isn't that so unscientific?

MacCantStopMe:
ARGUMENT 2 (DAY-2 18/APRIL/20)
THE PARADOX OF OMNIPOTENCE

We agree that a "married bachelor" can not exist because it is contradictory and self-refuting. An omnipotent God is self-refuting and contradictory.

-omnipotence is the ability to do all things. To have all abilities
-However, some abilities are contradictory to each other, or some actions negate each other
-To sleep means you are not awake, for instance. You cant be asleep and awake at the same time.

God has the ability to live for ever. Eternal life. However, that means that he can not die and he doesn't have the ability to kill himself

MacCantStopMe:


That is one assignment that can never end. Marriage is a battle of negotiation till you die. Till death do you part.

Dealing with in-laws, deciding children and the children's future, the couples religion etc.

Marriage na work

MacCantStopMe:
A great solution.
Trust me I know the difficulties of marriage.

OLAADEGBU:
If you are interested in entertainment there are lots of blind spots one can apply artistic license that will not alter the historical setting such as the one below:

Ishilove:
If I should call Covid 19 upon all of them, people will say it is unChristlike behavior. Shior

OLAADEGBU:
The will all get what is worse that COVID 19 If they don't repent.

Ishilove:
Amen, brother.

OLAADEGBU:
So you feel comfortable drinking water that contains 40% sniper as long as you have 60 clean water?

OLAADEGBU:
You demote Him if you don't see Him more than a Superstar; He is my Creator, Lord, Redeemer, Saviour, Sanctifier, Healer, Baptiser, Deliverer, Shepherd and Coming King.

Ishilove:
You have mail, Muttley