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Daejoyoung:
Ihedinobi3 as to your last point which was about the bible,
my answer to that is that the bible is not the word of God,
rather it contains the word, or wasn't the bible written by men?
Finally l am here to learn, not for any agenda.

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Mcuzy:
So God come tell u say he nor like Christmas? And it is a sanctified day used for Christ He has already claimed it..

Mcuzy, have you at all yet wondered, why wasnt any of November 25th October 25th, September 25th, January 25th or even any other day other December 25th not chosen, hmm?

BlueAngel444:
Sanctified by whom?

Ok lemme help you, say Gabriel visited Mary in December does that sanctify the month
Or wait, does the numerous pagan worship of their deities in such day and period count
Or let's be Jewish how about the Hanukkah, does that sanctify it enough

elated177:
When and where did the Messiah tell you he had already claimed it?

Mcuzy:
No one is saying Christ was born in December ,but no one knows when he was born so we celebrate on Christmas day...
Are u a witness?

No need to go asking about him, if he's JW or not JW

elated177:
The fact that the Scriptures did not state specifically when the Messiah was born, should give you an idea of how Yahushua the Messiah regards Christmas. The Messiah neither celebrated his birth nor did he instruct us, his saints, to celebrate his birth.

Jer 2:13 for my people have committed two sins: they have turned away from me, the spring of living water, they have dug cisterns, cracked cisterns that can hold no water at all.

Mcuzy:
u're impossible.

Mcuzy:
when and where did he tell u he hates Christmas

"Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world,
but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect"
- Romans 12:2

Mcuzy:
So God come tell u say he nor like Christmas ? And it is a sanctified day used for Christ He has already claimed it..

BlueAngel444:
Sanctified by whom?

Ok lemme help you, say Gabriel visited Mary in December does that sanctify the month
Or wait, does the numerous pagan worship of their deities in such day and period count
Or let's be Jewish how about the Hanukkah, does that sanctify it enough[/quote

[quote author=elated177 post=85237096]When and where did the Messiah tell you he had already claimed it?

Mcuzy:
No one is saying Christ was born in December ,but no one knows when he was born so we celebrate on Christmas day...
Are u a witness?

No need to go asking about if JW or not JW

elated177:
The fact that the Scriptures did not state specifically when the Messiah was born, should give you an idea of how Yahushua the Messiah regards Christmas. The Messiah neither celebrated his birth nor did he instruct us, his saints, to celebrate his birth.

Jer 2:13 for my people have committed two sins: they have turned away from me, the spring of living water, they have dug cisterns, cracked cisterns that can hold no water at all.

Mcuzy:
u're impossible.

Mcuzy:
when and where did he tell u he hates Christmas

"Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world,
but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect"
- Romans 12:2

petra1:
dSA is confused and he is confusing blind followers

You would say that, all because DSA rightly and regularly comes down on your mentor and boss at Christ Embassy, who is in the person of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome

Demaduka:
Yes, DSA is not only confused but disillusioned and has a problem with his mental reasoning.

He is not confused, neither is he disillusioned and he has no problem with his mental reasoning.

He's being there, being here, sold it, done it and even have the souvenir t-shirt. He is no spring chicken, he knows what he wants to do and knows when is the time for whatever it is, he has plans to do

Janosky:
Bible > Strong's > Hebrew > 1121
◄ 1121. ben
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Strong's Concordance
ben: son
Original Word: בֵּן
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: ben
Phonetic Spelling: (bane)
Definition: son
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
son
NASB Translation
d.
בְּנֵי האלהים applied to supernatural beings
GENESIS 6:2,4 ; JOB 1:6 ; JOB 2:1 ; בְּנֵי אלהים
Job 38:7 ; בְּנֵי אֵלִים Psalm 29:1 (on which compare Che's note) Psalm 89:7 ."
**Hebrew bene ha Elohim= angels, sons of God.
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Wayo MuttleyLaff dubious use Job1:3 to save face falls yakata....
For your delusional mind 7000 sheep,1000 cattle,3000 camels na sons of God for spirit realm where Yahweh lives.

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The fear of pasting the Greek Interlinear for Job 1:3 here, publicly for all to see, is the beginning of wisdom for Janosky, lol

You've secretly checked out the interlinear on Job 1:3 and have seen the truth in it that's left you alarmed, shocked, worried and frightened. You're now either, too embrassed and shamed or just a weak and/or unpleasantly turned yellow coward, which is why you cant bring yourself up to type and/or paste here the contents of the Job 1:3 interlinear for both of us to painstakingly examine and review together, lol. What a sore loser, smh, lol

NGpatriot:
I destroyed your lies already.

NGpatriot:
Btw, did I tell you that Fashola built more housing estates than any governor in Nigeria.

NGpatriot:
Btw, did I tell you that Fashola built more housing estates than any governor in Nigeria.....

NGpatriot:
See, one by one, I'll destroy your lies and prove to you that Fahsola achieved more than Jakande.

I love Jakande, but the myth about his accomplishments and claims that he did better than Fashola is just a myth, nothing more.

MuttleyLaff:
I have drop you a gauntlet, pick it up and show what Fashola did in his first 4 years and 3 months so will laying down side by side Baba LKJ's and compare

PS: NGpatriot all this gra-gra you are doing pasting uncalled for pictures unnecessarily upandan the thread, remember the first 4 years and 3 months ooo. Also, c'mon now, you do know the difference in meaning of "His government constructed the Adiyan Water Works to increase water supply in the state to 18.16 million litres per day." to "Jakande did not build Adiyan waterworks, it was built in 1914 before Jakande was born." now, smh. Kilode ke, the keywords in there were "constructed the Adiyan Water Works to increase water supply in the state to 18.16 million litres per day." God bless real good that SimplyleoFool chap for striking out your pranks, lol

You enjoy ignoring and doing your own thing isnt it

You know you'll fall flat on your face, if you should attempt to list what Fashola did in his first 4 years and 3 months, lol. How much you got paid for doing this?

NGpatriot:
Facts and realities has nothing to do with family, emotions or sentiments..

I love Jakande and I appreciate his service and achievements, but Fashola achieved more than Jakande, that's the honest truth.

Scratch out all that, and of course, you know it was my usual digression and unable not to help it at times rant and roving about.

I have drop you a gauntlet, pick it up and show what Fashola did in his first 4 years and 3 months so will laying down side by side Baba LKJ's and compare

PS: NGpatriot all this gra-gra you are doing pasting uncalled for pictures unnecessarily upandan the thread, remember the first 4 years and 3 months ooo. Also, c'mon now, you do know the difference in meaning of "His government constructed the Adiyan Water Works to increase water supply in the state to 18.16 million litres per day." to "Jakande did not build Adiyan waterworks, it was built in 1914 before Jakande was born." now, smh. Kilode ke, the keywords in there were "constructed the Adiyan Water Works to increase water supply in the state to 18.16 million litres per day." God bless real good that SimplyleoFool chap for striking out your pranks, lol

sacx:
Mary was not in any way better than other women in Israel at that time. The scriptures says she was FAVOURED. This was irrespective of what she did or didn't do. In fact, Mary as well as other people living before the coming of grace through Christ were sinners.

"In fact, God treats us with even greater kindness, just as the Scriptures say,
"God opposes everyone who is proud,
but He blesses all who are humble with undeserved grace.""
- James 4:6

"In the same way, you who are younger, submit yourselves to your elders.
All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another,
because, "God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble."
- 1 Peter 5:5

Mary night not have been better than other women in Israel at the time, but she was certainly God's first choice on upon whom He wanted to partner with Him on this His God project

Mary did not or did anything, except from being herself. It is actually a quality of Mary that like David, whom God said, He has found a man after His own Heart, so God found Mary had this thing that made Him send angel Gabriel to approach and talk to her. It is a very simple and unassuming character she had, which is no other than humility. When angel Gabriel, made the visit, the Greek word the angel used was "charitoo" which from the Greek root word "charis" in English translated is "grace with favour," so effectively angel Gabriel at Luke 1:27 said to Mary "kecharitomene" meaning "[Mary, you] are favored with grace"

It was Mary's humility that caused the attraction for the appointment and nothing else, lol. Humility, got her the undeserving grace and favour before the coming of grace through our Lord and Savior, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. She was just as bewildered as the next person, but soon after, angel Gabriel, managed to calm down her nerves, explained things to her, that she was convinced and prepared to readily be part of the God Project, that she answered. the angel back with saying "I am the Lord’s handmaid. May it happen to me according to your word." Ordinary and straightforward English translation doesnt give the right and strong import of Mary's words there, because what she really was saying is "I've being caught, I am caught, I am not going to argue anymore or fight, I now willingly submit to whatever role and duties are expected of me"

James 4:6 and 1 Peter 5:5 are eye-openers, they give us an understanding to how and why Mary got qualified for this privilege and blessing. It was all down to one word: humility. Praise God. Alleluia.

BlueAngel444:
Lol you really pointed out something

MuttleyLaff on just one less meaningfull point alone, which didn't prove contrary to what Reno was talking about, still called him a liar. Amazing

If Reno made an error, does that make him a liar, an error that doesn't even disprove his points

Well ask auntie Toyin Ojora-Saraki about that, lol.

BlueAngel444:
you tried in your responses I must say

But then again some of your responses where based on comparing catholic religion to pentecostal or protestant religion especially when you couldn't find scripture to support your defense.

But then again, a far better response but calling what he wrote a lie still doesn't make your defense completely truthful.

It is a shame did couldn't and didnt read in all that was there where I explained the etymology of the word catholic, which is derived from the Greek word "katholikos"

I gave a far better response when I typed saying: "It will interest anyone wanting to know, that the word katholicos or katholikos" is a combination of the Greek words "kata" meaning "about" and "holos" meaning "whole", so in effect, the originator of the phrase, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, is saying he is writing about the church in the whole, when he used the phrase in his "The Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans""

I further added saying:
"As could be seen from my above mentions from two other different threads, it is Saint Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of Apostle, who coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" and to mean the called out ones universally, in distinct to the local, town or city assemblies called out ones.

As a matter of fact, the first use of the word "Catholic" was by this man, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans

So contrary to what Reno Omokirikiri is saying, that the word Catholic means "all embracing" and with false humility pleading to please go check the dictionary for the meaning of the word "Catholic", in case he lied, well Reno lied, and its a barefaced lie because the word "katholicos or katholikos" first is Greek in origin, or if "catholicus" then Latin in origin, and does not mean anything and/or does not anywhere close mean "all embracing." Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the phrase used to mean the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general"."

What more do you want, what more do you expect? Water squeezed out of stone, hmm? I dont give a rat's arse about whatever hypocritical points he was raising, as he lives in a glass house and should be mindful of throwing stones. I just dont like fibbing, it makes people's nose grow, and we wouldnt want something like that happen, or should we?, lol

NGpatriot:
That's all?
Fashola not only did all that, he did more and even better.
What is Eko bank sef? Another made up achievement that doesn't exist .

Whats the matter with you brah? You arent blind to which year we are talking of here. You arent blind to the fact LKJ was a pioneer and only one in the second republic, unlike the fourth republic that we are enjoying that had Tinubu, upon what Fashola had to build on before passing on to Ambode and the current Sanwo-Olu. You are not blind that Baba LKJ only spent 4 years and less than 3 months with visible and felt dividends of democracy, on the ground the electorates were benefiting from and enjoying. You're not blind to fact that the Metro line Baba planned and already working on for swift completion, successive government couldnt keep dropping the ball on it and kicking it further ahead into the tall green grass. You're not blind to the fact, that Baba LKJ had laid down the foundation that successive government especially Tinubu started to build upon. Please dont let me, get started on Tinubu and his grubbing hands. I'll bite my tongue at this point, leave him to posterity to properly and correctly well judge. Back on track after that digression, you are not blind to the fact that with the "aduro" amount of money etcetera generated in Lagos State, not much to pride it as a world class and enviable city. No disabled walkways, no cycle lanes, all you're taking pride in, is celebrating mediocrity

Said his government established small scale Industries Credit Scheme which preceded the EKO bank (i.e. before the advent of EcoBank)

It is not rocket science that Fashola should be able to not only do all as same as Baba LKJ, and even do more and possibly better because of different times, different or new and emerging technologies. Others especially someone like Fashola had a head start. I do remember during his campaigns, him and Tinubu were throwing and slinging "continuity" political slogans about upandan the place and not letting us hear word edgeways in. If not for what Fashola met on ground courtesy of Baba LKJ's legacies and couple of Tinubu's, you really think Fashola would have met it an easy ride and walk in the park. You say Makinde didnt plan well enough and/or ahead, well that is understandable, he really deep down didnt expect to easily dislodge Oyo State that easily from Ajimobi's APC grip, lol, so ... Anyway another digression going on there. Baba LKJ started the Victoria Island/Epe Road, but APC just with the Metro cant just seem to finish them off, even after twenty years of first starting.

I was going to paste copies of Baba LKJ's first and second inagural adddress when sworn in for office of governorship at 1979 and 1983 where he mentioned how while in prison, he was from inside, instrumental to fighting for the eventual long time sought after successive creation of Lagos State. The book he wrote while in prison accused of treason, titled "The case for a Lagos State" formed the basis of a memorandum submitted to the conference that was deciding that a Lagos State comprising the Federal Territory and the Colony Province of Western Nigeria should be created in a Nigerian Federation.

Sowore was allocated 30K votes, of course all this kind jagbanjatis nonsense didnt start with APC, NPN was doing it too, way back in BaBa LKJ's time with UPN, lol.

Baba LKJ, has given blood, sweat, tears, gut and glory for Lagos State, Fashola stood on the shoulders of giants, he himself will never publicly admit to surpassing Baba LKJ, maybe in the bedroom or behind closed door, but nah, smh, "agbẹdọ". No matter how much clothes small pikin fit get to gather together, hin no fit get as much rags as the elder, lol.

Wait, c'mon, it's me who should be putting Fashola for head like shrimp, because he is family, we are in-laws to each other. I recall my first time back to Naija after a long time away. We got out of MMIA, began driving in to town, and was looking around, thinking to myself, where is the dual carriage, where are the so much hyped street beautification, witnessed traffic grid-lock like no man's business, went to Balogun got pestered by hooligan loud mouthed car park louts that I had to tell off to calm down and get behaving like an "ọmọluabi". Went to "Ẹlẹkọ" beach, had touts at erected road blocks asking for money before we're allowed to drive pass, lol, smh.

Enough of ranting there, tbh, what I rather want to see from you NGpatriot, is to provide all Fashola did within his first 4 years and 3 months and let's lay them down side by side all Baba LKJ achieved in his 4 years and 3 months. Are you game? You cool with that. Forget noise, let quietly and quickly do it that way and get it over and done with. Well shake hands after that, lol.

kkins25:
My dear muttleylaff, please close your eyes, take a 4-2-4 breath

My dear sire, shouldn't you be jollificating with rice, turkey and sipping glasses of wine in a well cool air conditioned environment ni?.

kkins25:
Now picture yourself in the shoes of the dead victims, would you even think that the so called God of Love who says he loves you in sin or righteousness could kill your daughter, son, wife, husband and tribesmen.

The Creator can do and undo wuith His creation/created

kkins25:
Do you think a benevolent creature would spread his rule with tyranny

kkins25, no I dont think a benevolent being, especially if its God would spread His rule with tyranny. That is not God's modus operandi.

kkins25:
Do not reply as muttleylaff

OK, I'll try not to

kkins25:
I want you to reply as a man whose dead daughter is dieing slowly with each breath, her chest bleeds from the sword a holy man of God struck through her. Feel her warm blood running through your arms, look around, hear the screams of your tribes men, hear the faint voices of dieing people gasping for breath. Listen to the melody of the sword as it digs into flesh, hear the roar of your conquerors, listen to the rage of the blood spilled begging for vengeance.

There stands the man who struck your daughter dead, he slit your wife's throat, burnt your home to ashes. Take a good look at this jewish man, tell me what do you take him to be?

kkins25, aw, c'mon now, get a grip man

kkins25:
You never offended any of them. You've never known him. What is this man and what is his God?

His god would have to be powerful than my God, for any of this to possibly happen. kkins25 all this, is just too hypothetical speaking and wishful thinking to give a genuine response to. Sorry

NGpatriot:
The fact that a million people quoted each other with the same opinion doesn't mean they have facts on their side.

There's no need to argue or needlessly go back and forth, if you are really convinced that Jakande was better than Fashola, why not just put your money where your mouth is by listing Kakande's achievements while I do the same for Fashola.

We can settle this with facts instead of bare conjectures and personal opinions that doesn't jell with facts on the ground.

MuttleyLaff:
The Nigerian Compass on Saturday had last week exclusively reported that Jakande, whose record of performance in the state is yet to be matched by succeeding governments 30 years after, was not being paid the jumbo package by the state government[/b].

In an interview with the newspaper, Jakande had also stated unequivocally, that he would not even accept the jumbo pay if offered because, according to him, it is "excessive and obscene"

Under the law, a former Governor and Deputy Governor of the state will receive equal pays with the incumbent holders of the office. The former Governor will be entitled to a house each in Lagos and Abuja, at a location of his choice, and will have six official vehicles and a retinue of domestic aides.

In another interview with this paper on Wednesday this week, Alhaji Jakande restated his belief that the pay package, is wasteful and a drain on the state's purse.

After enquiring if any such law exists anywhere else in the world, he lapsed into Yoruba language, saying: "Ki lawon Omo wonyi fe so aye dabayi?"meaning: "What are these children turning the world into?" Alhaji Jakande queried further: "How can an ex-Governor be on the same salary with the incumbent?"

He had said last week: "I have not benefited from this bill. I am not interested in it. My own attitude is that God has given me what I consider to be a good pension. That pension, to me, is the appreciation of my service to Nigerians, even non-Nigerians.

"My view on the bill is that it a waste of public funds. The appreciations I received daily from people are enough for me as my pension. This I will cherish till I die."

My eyes took a double take and my heart bled reading the above and this your other remark here and I felt like raining curses on each and everyone of those that allowed us end up like this. luvmijeje, please bookmark these following links for later reading at your most convenient time:
1/ https://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/07/why-i-refused-to-quit-abacha-govt-jakande-at-80-opens-up/
2/ https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/legendary-lateef-jakande-modest-life-in-retirement.html

I said he is overrated, I wasnt the only person who've said this about Fashola, I wasnt the first person to say this about him and I am quite sure I wouldnt be the last person to say he is overrated, but it's baffling how you managed to invent a remark and fabricate that I believe Fashola did nothing, when all I mentioned is that he is overrated. I then followed up with list me Fashola legacies that Lagos State are satisfactorily and without reservations enjoying. The keywords were "satisfactorily and without reservations enjoying"

Again, the keywords were "satisfactorily and without reservations enjoying"

Now Ajibel, do you know how many years Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande served as governor of Lagos State for, compared to Tinubu's 8 years and Fashola's another 8 years, a total of 16 years of APC squeezing, exploitation and bondage, not adding Ambode's?
I can present you a list of LKJ's achievements in that short period to contrast the dividend of democracy with that of APC's 16 years

I know, I am sure they are well documented on his personal website, and thats why the 8 years achievements makes him strut upandan the place like a prized peacock

Twenty years of APshit rule in Lagos State, smh compared with 4 years and less than 3 months of Baba LKJ. I usually dont go about re-inventing the wheel, especially when Baba LKJ's record is out there in public domain for all and especially millennials, to see, but I'll oblige you none the less, so in addition to the above quotation, here we go, following below is a list of the still alive 90 years old Baba LKJ's achievements, accomplished within a short time frame of 4 years and less than 3 months (i.e. from 1 October 1979 to 13 December, 1983) Read and weep, my new found friend:

* His government built the current Lagos State Secretariat which houses all the state ministries as well as the popular round house hitherto occupied by all subsequent governors of the state (i.e. Tinubu, Fashola, Amode and current Sanwo-Olu)

* His government built the Lagos State House of Assembly complex.

* His government built the Lagos State Television

* His government built the Lagos Radio

* His government built Lagos State University

* His government established General Hospital in zones all over the state with assurance of free health care.

* His government established Teacher Training College and the College of Education.

* His government built low cost houses in Ijaiye, Dolphin, Oke-Afa, Ije, Abesan, Iponri, Ipaja, Abule Nla, Epe, Amuwo-Odofin, Anikantamo, Surulere, Iba, Ikorodu, Badagry, Isheri/Olowu, Orisigun etc.

* His government established the Water Management Board and Waste Disposal Board on the 18th of August, 1980.

* His government constructed the Adiyan Water Works to increase water supply in the state to 18.16 million litres per day.

* His government modernized and expanded the Iju Water Works which was first commissioned in 1915. This increased daily capacity from 159 million to 204 million litres per day.

* His government purchased and commissioned the giant car crusher equipment. The equipment was designed specifically to crush derelict vehicles in Lagos State. It had the capacity to crush 45 vehicles per day.

* His government constructed, rehabilitated and resurfaced Epe/Ijebu-Ode Road, Oba Akran Avenue, Toyin Street, Town Planning Way, Alimosho-Idimu-Egbe Road, Idimu-Iba-LASU Road, the new secretariat road and several others.

* His government constructed Victoria Island/Epe Road and thereby creating an ‘oil rig’ for Lagos State.

* His government established Asphalt Plant for the Department of Public Works.

* His government established Electricity Board for Rural Electrification with provision of street lights.

* His government modernized, expanded and commissioned Onikan Stadium in 1982.

* His government established a singular school system and ensured genuine free education in Lagos State and the beneficiaries of this policy are in different positions of eminence in the country and around the world.

* His government raised the primary schools in Lagos State to 812 with 533,001 pupils (against 605 primary schools with 434,545 pupils he met in 1979) and secondary schools to 223 with 167,629 students (against 105 schools with 107,835 students in 1979).

* His government constructed 11, 729 classrooms with the maximum of 40 children per class between March and August 1980, by 1983, he had constructed over 22,000 classrooms.

* In July 1983, two commercial passenger boats christened "Baba Kekere and Itafaji" to run the Mile 2 - Marina (CMS) route via the lagoons were inaugurated by his government to mark the official launch of the Lagos State ferry services.

* His government took over the ownership and financing of Lagos State Printing Corporation in July 1980

* His government established the first State Traffic Management Authority (Road Marshals).

* His government established small scale Industries Credit Scheme which preceded the EKO bank.

*His government established LASACO Insurance.

*His government expanded existing market and built new ones.

*His government established Traditional Medicine Board.

There are more stuff, but I have to hold back and not waste gunpowder, besides the fear of the antispam bot is the beginning of wisdom. It clamps down on lengthy posts and pasting links, lol. Even you will accept, admit and agree that Tinubu and others were relying on the blueprint they met on ground and just followed or built on it. C'mon now, be sincere, honest and truthful at least about that, if not anything else. Cant be that too hard to do, lol.

NGpatriot:
They want us to believe that the social media governor is the best governor in Nigeria even though he's yet to commission even 1 single gutter or tin roof, but I have to give it to him, he's commissioned a lot of newspaper and social media projects

Ah, that one, I am just watching him from afar with a corner of my eye. Put it this way, let's just wait a few months more and see. I am just wondering had it being he had Lagos state instead of Oyo state, would he be faring better. He does say the state got weighed heavily down with inherited huge debt, didnt he kept saying that, huh?

NGpatriot:
He was right, actually, Fashola is still the best and the most accomplished by far. Jakande as good as he was did not even achieved 1/4 of Fashola's achievements.

Sound's like you know little or nothing about Lagos state.

MuttleyLaff:
I quoted sample of others agreeing that Fashola is overrated and that was to show, it's not just only me, to show it isnt an opinion but it is a fact, that Fashola is overrated.

Where Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande stands, Fashola will be dwarfed. That inflated and over bloated Lagos Rail Mass Transit blue line was a vision initiated and conceived in 1983 by Jakande, only for Muhammadu Buhari to waltz in under the barrel of gun in 1985, truncated a democratically elected Jakande government. In the process, just like that, scrapped Jakande's Metroline project and so investments went down the drain, at a loss of over $78 million to Lagos State tax payers.

luvmijeje:
Time for confession..... I wasn't born in 1983 nor 1985. So I can't make an objective rebuttal.

But during my time on earth, Fashola was and still remains the best governor of my lifetime.

List five things that makes Lateef Jakande far better than Fashola and I'll list 10 things Fashola have done to revitalize Lagos State.

MuttleyLaff:
You must be a millennial then
1/ Free education from primary to tertiary level
2/ The present day Lagos State Secretariat at Alausa was built by Jakande's government within four years
3/ Built Lagos State University
4/ Constructed the Victoria Island/Epe Road, that APC have not only over bloated the cost but have with others, spent 19 years trying to upgrade it
5/ Built Lagos State Television & Lagos Radio

Dantedasz:
^^^
Thank you.
It is so sad history is no longer taught in schools.

Lateef Jakande built the foundation of Lagos state that every governor that came after him built on. Even Fashola dare not claim his administration was better than Jakandes regime.

In fact if not for military usurpers who truncated civilian rule in 1983 Lagos would have had a metroline ages ago. What Fashola was building along Badagry express way that has descended into a quagmire and bottomless pit of corruption was taken from Jakandes manual for Lagos State transportation. It was Buhari as a military ruler that cancelled the signed agreement between the Lagos State government of Jakande and his foreign partners thus setting the Lagos State transport plan of Jakande back by decades. An error from which Lagos state has not recovered up to the present day. Just visit the Lagos Badagry express way axis.

Need I paste more, need I go full throttle?
You should be saying "sound's like you know little or nothing about Lagos state" to yourself and not dare say that to any other interlocutor on this thread

Okpa042:
Which kain chronic amebo wey you be naa

You dey mind am ni. Na dem, na dem nau. Sponsored. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know things

Demaduka:

Like minded fellow as DSA please speak correct English if you want my answer

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nairalee:
Why not?

God chose Moses to convince a stubborn Pharoah (Stammerer Moses)
God chose Abraham to be the father of nations (Menopausal Abraham)
God chose David as the successor to Saul (Herdsmen David)
God chose even Rahab to help the Israelites (Prostitute Rahab)
God chose Paul to teach us (Persecutor Saul)

(words in bracket are what critics will tag them as)

Jesus chose fishermen, dined with tax collector and even mostly criticized the rich and "holiest" in the society

Infact from experience God uses the most unexpected. The God who uses the basket to fetch water to the disappointment of the bucket. That's the God I serve.

No matter your situation, God will still choose you to greatness.

Yeah, you're right in all those above, but in this particular case, it has to be a virgin birth. There is no escaping from that reality. That is the deal or there is no deal sire.

nairalee, I am sure you know why it has to be a virgin, right?. Yup, it is because of the naysayers. The doubters who will want to be skeptical or cynical about it all. Will want to deny and refuse that Jesus is the Son of God, lol. Will question and oppose the paternity of Jesus lol. That is one side of the coin, why the need of an earthly father is totally not needed and required is the other side of the coin, lol and is an entirely different other story for another thread, another day and/or another time, lol.

Mindfulness:
You are free to believe whatever you believe.

C'est la vie, that absolutely is life and we cant do anything about it, lol.

Daejoyoung:
lf you are correct, then why did God choose Israel to bear his covenant promises? what did lsrael do to deserve God's favour. Why did God choose Jacob from the womb, even before the boys did anything?

"The LORD replied, “I will make all my goodness pass before you, and I will call out my name, Yahweh, before you.
For I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose."
- Exodus 33:19

I love these simple and easy questions. Fundamentally, and maybe on the surface of it all, nothing, we might say, but really it is in fact because it is a God's prerogative. Exodus 33:19b above isnt a lie.

Now if you want to look under the bonnet a little bit to take a quick sneak peek, well, what Israel did to deserve God's favour can be traced by to who really Israel was, and that being Jacob, then Jacob can be traced back via Isaac, his Dad, to Abraham, his grandfather. Abraham kickstarted the starting of it all/first leg of everything, lol.

Right from Eden and even after the eviction from Eden, God seemingly has a penchant for second best. Case in point, Eve, Abel, Jacob and even Joseph's younger son Ephraim, lol

Mindfulness:
She wasn't a virgin. The word almah has been wrongly translated from the Hebrew language. Happy CHRISTmas!

This comment is a big fat lie sire. The tabernacle God was going to use to come down on to earth had to be a virgin. That is the deal or then no deal, lol. The prophecy, unfortunately, has to be accurately fulfilled and/or be contented with sire, lol

Righteousness89:
Mary Did not Have a Choice , she didn't chose to be Mother of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST..

She was CHOSEN From Above..

sonofElElyon:
"Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son".. it was prophesied by Isaiah. [
b]Only a virgin could've given birth to the Saviour[/b]

sonofElElyon, God bless you moG for this observation and succint comment.

"All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign.
Look! The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’)"
- Isaiah 7:14

Righteousness89, Mary did have a choice, she could have refused when angel Gabriel came to announce to her about the prospect of having Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior, Son of God birth, but she didnt. Do you know why she didnt, it is because though inspite of Isaiah 7:14 above, she was in a kind of way being obedient.

Yeah, of course, you're right that she was chosen from above. I give you that because where else from would she have been chosen from, lol? Anyway the main thing is, even, if Mary had refused, God would have moved on to find the next virgin to get the God Project officially started and started to begin kick in Satan's head and arse, lol (i.e. remember the strike/crush its head fulfilment prophecy of Genesis 3:15) It had to be a virgin always, to start with, there is no escaping from that

donstan18:
Na so!
One slap, you go begin scream "Oga Abeg"

healthserve:
I've been confronted by almost all uniform and non-uniform security officials. Their weakness is your boldness. Just be bold. They become weak

donstan18:
Audio Boldness.

healthserve:
Another stereotype. Used to be one of your ardent fans. But then, your foolery obviously displayed today. Donstan has reduced to dust.

Enjoy

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Somebody cannot have fun and joke in peace again with you Nigerians sha. donstan18 was only enjoying himself, catching fun winding you up nah.

I can attest and confirm this boldness thing you're talking off though because I remember back in the day, when I used to regularly go to Naija, sometimes even two-three times in a year. This is how it went down. I cant remember what exactly happened, except that our car was temporarily stationary on that Lekki - Epe Expressway at VI, not far from the Lagos Oriental Hotel, the one popularly alleged to be owned by Tinubu, anyway this policeman came over, all I suddenly heard my missus tell him, that he better be careful and to mind how he is talking and who is addressing, because, and/or else this his uniform he has on, before he knows it, will be taken off him, that in short, he'll lose his job and uniform. I was thinking to myself see "gobe dis policeman wan land hinself into" and kept on quietly watching the drama going on between him and my missus. Just like you said, the boldness weakened the policeman, he took style make a quick disappearing act from us, lol. My missus get mouth, sometimes she develops so exceedingly large balls more than me, lol and the other times she could be as scared as a trapped mouse, and it'll be me doing gra-gra, with her trying to get me to calm down, lol.

Magicians:
Till date among equals Fashola remains arguable the best governor in Nigeria since 1960, what they do not know is Fashola commissioner of works is Sanwo's deputy. A man that his work stood out during the 8 years of Fashola, a man that can't not fail n must not fail by God's infinite mercy. That is a man I can not wait to have him a the governor, not just the deputy.

Where did you put Baba Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande, like as if you're a millennial, erhn, hmm? Almost all good things Lagos state are enjoying at state level were orchestrated within a short period of not more than 4 years, by this man, fondly called little Awo

He even started a metroline project to facilitate mass transit, thanks to PMB was scattering the whole thing and it was an earlier one than this one that Tinubu/Fashola/Ambode and Sanwo-Olu are making a right dog's dinner meal of.

IMHO, Fashola is highly overrated jor. In the land of the walking blind, of course Fashola among equals, is King, lol. Abeggy, make we hear beta pesin and word jaare. Mtcheew

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Make I no fumble, let me siddon here with miguard dey watch from gatehouse vantage point & bin salute welcome brilliant people as dem dey waka waka pass go upandan the street, lol

ijewejones:
1. Who visited Jesus in the manger where He was born?

Shepherds looking after their sheep in the field (i.e. Luke 2:16-17)

ijewejones:
2. How many wise men visited Jesus, and gave Him gifts?

There is no exact number of the visiting wise men available, as this info weren't given in the Bible, so the answer is unknown number of wise men visited Jesus, and three out their unknown numbers gave Him gifts.

ijewejones:
3. How many gifts did Jesus receive from the wise men?

He received three gifts, namely Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh

ijewejones:
4. How old was Jesus when the wise men visited?

Jesus was somewhere/anywhere up to two years old. Even, King Herod too, isnt sure, which is why he commanded babies from age zero up to 2 years old to be slaughtered

ShenTeh:
Ahahahah. Interesting.
Wise shepherds from the East (one of my Igbo brothers will always boast that 'wise men are always from the east. LOL)

Ahahahah. Interestingly and fyi, the wise men from the East, were in fact, magicians (i.e. magi) lol. Remember Daniel was promoted to be boss of a bunch of them Magi by King Nebuchadnezzar, lol

Here's another fyi, that many arent aware of and that is concerning Job, did you know that, Job, was by the Bible, said to be that man, the greatest of all the sons of the East, lol?.

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eedimo:
That's why I don't celebrate Christmas even though I'm a Christian because I no longer understand what Christmas is

You're not alone. December 25th is just like every other day to me, for me and everyone in our household. You'll soon have an idea why, if you continue reading on and read on to the end, lol

SlimBrawnie:
Christmas is about the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. Yes, no one knows exactly when he was born, but the most important thing is that He was born & it's something that calls for celebration.

SlimBrawnie, you say, no one knows the exact date of Jesus' birth, but with evidences from scripture we are able to pin it down to sometime and somewhere in the month of September, lol. He, as a matter of fact, was born in the month of September, SlimBrawnie, lol.

The shepherds who had gone to visit him in the manger, would have done so in the month of September/October, lol.

YoungLionken:
Obvious questions..
Come to think of it, Satan doesn't really have a birthday recognition, wawu! That's the height of his relegation.
Don't try to withstand God...

Olugbenga1234:
Lol everyday is Satan's day on this earth. Until rapture

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eedimo, SlimBrawnie and YoungLionken, what do you each think Nimrod means in Hebrew. Nimrod, fyi eedimo, SlimBrawnie and YoungLionken, is an archetype of Satan, lol and as a matter of fact, December 25th is his birthday, and so by extension and even proxy, Satan's birthday actually it is too December 25th, lol. I am sensing you saying, but God created Satan long before our calendar days ever got going, lol. Yeah, that is true and you'll be right but remember Nimrod, that Nimrod is an archetype of Satan, hmm? lol.

The bad and unsavoury taste in the mouth doesnt stop there, Satan even covets the Sabbath day, by going after it, hence we have Saturday (i.e. Saturn's day, lol)

Every day is a day to celebrate the birth/death of our Lord and Savior, the Son of God Jesus Christ. It is not only on Christmas day. Christmas day was originally a Pagan festival. Constraint of time and space would not allow me to open up here the can of worms of Christmas day celebration proper and to spill out its ugly contents.

Let's go back a step or two, to see how much of a liar Satan is and to take a look at one of Satan's diversionary tactics. We are going to delve on to October 31st, lol. Yeah, spill the beans on Halloween, baby, lol. Satan will want to give you a false sense of security, by distracting any suspicious attention away from December 25 and diverting the attention on to October 31st, make you believe that October 31st is Satan's birthday and that December 25th is Jesus', lol.

eedimo, SlimBrawnie and YoungLionken, yeah, everyday is Satan's day on this earth, until rapture, just like Olugbenga1234 has rightly above put it, but every day is a day, the Lord has made too and so we should rejoice and be glad in every single day, everyday, and not just one day whether its October 31st, December 25th or whatever day it is set aside for "celebration." The steadfast love of God never ceases, His mercies never come to an end, they are new every morning, every day, great is His faithfulness, so why cant we celebrate everyday, instead of settling for just one day, a day like just particularly only December 25th, lol, erhn? Have you ever wondered why the powers that be selected December 25th and not November 25th, October 25th, September 25th, January 25th etcetera, hmmm, lol?

"⁵In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.
⁶Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.
¹⁰So why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. "
- Romans 14:5-6 & 10

Yep, eedimo, SlimBrawnie and YoungLionken, we are cognisance of Romans 14:5-6 & 10 above, which is why no one is being judged or condemned for celebrating Jesus on December 25th, neither is anyone being judge or condemned for not joing in celebrating Jesus on December 25th, but just are merely giving a perspective view on some behind the scene and not usually discussed camouflaged real facts of December 25th, lol. Just gave a snapshot bird's-eye view, as in meaning, just the bones without the meat on, lol.

Happy festive period y'all, lol
cc: FinallyDead, Daejoyoung, especially sister Bodydialect57 lol

ejimatic:
. DSS custody is like your home except that you will not see your family.But if you are in Kuje prison you will shed tears.That is why rich men in the Real prison use their money to renovate their rooms in the prison....As for Dasuki and Sowore. they were not denied basic amenities in DSS custody.If they had been in Kirikiri Kuje or Gashua prisons they must have known God is One.if I lie ask the families of Fawehinmi. Bola Ige who were real activists in their life and OBJ who spent years in Jo's prison

Baba came out looking sheepishly humbled, thin, haggard looking and emaciated. Baba OBJ was released malnourished, so was skinny, with a long neck and looking gaunt when he was seen during that thanksgiving service held for him, lol

nairalee:
Noone saw this coming. Dasuki should thank Sowore cos we gradually started forgetting about him. Sowore resurrected his memory

True Sowore indirectly had hand in Dasuki's release. Check my profile to see Sowore celebrating, I just hope I wont for the 3rd time have to put the "Revolution Now. Release Sowore Now" back up soon or ever again

Awol1:
The man is even fat...

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DSS detention, na igbaladun, na enjoyment, rarararara-ra, said in Abami Eda's voice, lol

Officialrero:
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My friend and nwanne, Ranchhoddas would've said "abasha, idọti" no shame lol.
Is it not all, for this dough, ego, kudi, mulla, money, ₦₦₦s, £££s and $$$s signs, lol?.
The hustle is real, smh

psychologist:
I am wishing

Lalasticlala
Seun
Nwaamikpe
Dominique

A merry Christmas

How I intend to spend my Christmas is in my attached image

Wifi (Wifey)+Food+your Bed=Babies, yummy, hmm Happiness, lol

ochibuogwu5:
The Claim That The Catholic Church Have Killed More People Than Islam

I ignored that part of Reno's claim simply because there is always this issue between us Christians which I personally don't like: the denominational fight amongst us

The era in which Reno Omokiri was making allusion to is generally referred to as the dark ages, for obvious reasons.

According to Reno Omokiri, "No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism."
Key word again: CATHOLICISM.

Reno said:

"That was beyond forceful conversion to Catholicism. That was genocide, the like of which the world has never seen before or after then. Whole races were wiped off the face of planet Earth.
Key word again: CATHOLICISM.

If you are an objective student of History, and even if you read up by yourself all those stories of killings Reno alluded to, one thing you will notice is that all those places he used the word "Catholicism" the appropriate word is "Christianity."

If you noticed, I indicated the dates of those wars or killings to point out something. Within that period, there was nothing like Catholic, or Lutheran, or Anglican, or Methodist, or any Church in terms of denomination in the way we understand it now. Lutheran became the first after Catholic in 1517. People did not even know that there will come a time in which there will be different denominations. Every fight, every killing, every force conversion was done in the name of Christianity.

Why did Reno decided to situate it as a Catholic thing and not Christian thing? Some of the wars were fought politically to conquer territories, why did Reno decided to emphasize on Catholic? At that time, the religion of the emperor is usually the religion of his subjects, and if an emperor is a Christian, he will most likely force everyone to be Christian. Why did Reno used Catholicism instead of CHRISTIANITY?

The answer is simple, to make you see how bad and evil Catholic Church is. If not, instead of saying "No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism", he would have said "No other religion has been spread by violence as CHRISTIANITY."

But he knows that if he had said so, it will also indict him. So, to exonerate himself from a history that is largely a history of all of us Christians, it was safe for him to use "Catholic." How smart!

Gbam! Also if not being blind and/or a hypocrite arent there genocide in the Bible, lol? Arent there read in the Bible complete destruction and obliteration, mass slaughter of people, upon the without asking questions back divine command of God, lol?

ochibuogwu5:
Yet, and very ironical,

The "Catholic church" collected together what we have today as the bible. But when talking about it, we don't say Catholic but Christians.

It was during the dark ages that the structure of what we have today as collages and universities was made, thanks to Catholic monks. But we won't look at it as Catholic instead we will prefer Christians.

It was at that period still that we got the calendar we are using today, some of the greatest breaks in science, art, painting etc came at that time by Catholics. But do we call them Catholic? No! We say Christians.

As typical of us, once it is good, it belongs to us. Once it is not, it belongs to them.
Truth be told, some of the things that happened that era were very terrible of which the church has even apologized. Still, it is important we understand that at that time people saw it as something heroic to fight and die for what they believe in. Their faith was so sacred to be toiled with. That same concept is still in Islam, that is why someone can kill you for insulting the prophet and feel good because he is doing it for God.

Recently, how many of us wanted to burn down Netflix because they presented Jesus as gay? Did you not read where pastors were advocating for boycott as a sign of being a child of God? How many signed a petition against Netflix? More than 2Million. Now, compare our 21st century reaction to that simple event to how it would have been in the 13th century, then you will understand that what we condemn is largely in all of us.

Again, there was this fear and threat of Christianity going into extinction. The Islamic world was coming forcefully. Have you asked yourself what has happened to great cities in the bible like Ephesus, Constantinople, even Antioch in which the followers of Christ where first called Christians? Can you find Christians there today? Those cities are now 99% Islam.

Even the whole idea of forceful conversion was as a result of what they believed. To them, and even till today, we see those who are not followers of Christ or "born again" as people destined for hell. So anything we can do to convert them so that they will be saved, is seen as heroic.

People go to Catholic Churches to convert the members because to them, they are doing a great work of saving them whom they consider as already condemned to hell. Catholics too, do the same.

Imagine that in your house, your 7 year old child decided not to go to church and he say to you that God does not exist. As a typical Nigeria church parent, what do you think will happen to that child?

Is that not the same thing emperors of those days who have powers over everyone in his territory did? Today, we will call it forceful conversion, but we forget we too have that tendencies (though subtle) once the person is under us.

The truth remains that no denomination today started from the scratch, except the denomination now known as the Catholic Church. Is it Anglican that started in 1534 and took so many things from the Catholic? Or Calvinist of 1536? Or Methodist of 1784? Or the Adventist Churches of 1840s? Or even Pentecostal churches of which they all started from 1990s?
Martin Luther after breaking away from the church founded his own church on 31st October 1517. What that means is that what we called the Catholic Church existed alone for ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN YEARS. Look at today, just within the space of 500 years, we have lost count of the number of denominations in our world.

We accept that in the history of the church, there were mistakes, there were terrible things, there were learning and growth also. But still, the history of the Catholic Church is the history of CHRISTIANITY. Whatever affects her, affects all.

Let's focus more on what unites us, not what divides us.

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harmonyAris:
This Rev Fr is part of our problem I'm Nigeria. Reno stated some thought provoking facts about catholism but instead of you to state some counter facts you resort to attacking Reno personally. How about you tell is why catholic do things obviously against what the bible stated, like the "father issue", the "veneration of mary" and so on

Pot calling kettle black, like as if penterascals dont have Daddy GO/Mummy GO, some penterascals are so important and powerful demigods they slap defenceless little girl(s) etcetera, lol

MuttleyLaff:
ikorodureporta, fyi, Reno Omokirikiri is a big fat shameless liar, it was the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, who first used the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" which when translated to English turns into "Catholic Church".

As could be seen from my above mentions from two other different threads, it is Saint Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of Apostle, who coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" and to mean the called out ones universally, in distinct to the local, town or city assemblies called out ones.

As a matter of fact, the first use of the word "Catholic" was by this man, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans

So contrary to what Reno Omokirikiri is saying, that the word Catholic means "all embracing" and with false humility pleading to please go check the dictionary for the meaning of the word "Catholic", in case he lied, well Reno lied, and its a barefaced lie because the word "katholicos or katholikos" first is Greek in origin, or if "catholicus" then Latin in origin, and does not mean anything and/or does not anywhere close mean "all embracing." Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the phrase used to mean the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general".

It will interest anyone wanting to know, that the word katholicos or katholikos" is a combination of the Greek words "kata" meaning "about" and "holos" meaning "whole", so in effect, the originator of the phrase, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, is saying he is writing about the church in the whole, when he used the phrase in his "The Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans"

Reno Omokirikiri, is not really on about Catholicism, he cares less about Catholicism, what Reno Omokirikiri was doing and going at great lengths while at it, is sneakingly trying to put it out there in the public domain space, that he has blue blood flowing in his veins, that as he has the Olu of Warri royalty blood flowing in him, then he is to be looked at, as a person of noble birth, lol.

It is very easy to read Reno like a book, this all thanks to his past unsavoury antecedents, lol. I am sure this latest one is not going to be the last of them, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
As I previously had typed, it was Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (i.e. the ''Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans'') who first coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos," used to mean, the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general". It would have been lazy and irresponsible of me to leave readership mystified, by not providing a little backdrop of whats behind the word "ekklesia katholicos,"

The fact of being untrue, incorrect and/or insincere, the untruthfulness in how Reno said what is the meaning of word, stood out like a big fat sore thumb. He even had the cheek to tell people to go check the dictionary for the meaning. Is it from the English dictionary, that Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the "ekklesia katholicos," phrase from ni, hmm?

The meaning of the word "katholicos," according to what Reno said it was, is an indisputable big fat lie. Catholic, better still "katholicos," according to Reno's definition, does not as he puts it, mean "all embracing" period.

He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. I am not going to trade words with you listing errors, the tribulations, the scamming, staged healing miracles, the misogyny and/or mistrust of women, the sense of entitlement culture, obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing, prejudice(s) and bigotry etcetera in the penterascal circles, which Reno himself, a self-styled pastor, is prominent in, lol

Reno has enough on his penterascal plate to look into and so should face straight front, mind his own penterascal affairs and just already leave the Catholics alone in peace, lol,

We have got the gist Reno, that blue blood runs in your veins, lol, thank you for the unneccesary and/or unsolicited information, lol. Everyone that is anyone, knows Reno Omokirikiri. If you know Reno, you know Reno. Who no know Reno, no go know Reno.

God bless auntie Toyin Ojora-Saraki, lol.

I agree totally with the original post without demur that I just had to like it, lol

TATIME:
Maximus69 was a staunch Muslim just like me before converting to JW,

Oh was he and you too now, lol. No wonder he kept using the "brother in faith" phrase, that was getting me wondering. Everything has just made sense now, lol. From frying pan into fire, or is it fire into fying pan, lol

TATIME:
he cherished the word brothers in faith so dearly, that's why he will never accept anyone who doesn't share his belief to be his brother in faith.

Thank you for providing that missing piece in the puzzle. Knowing the "brother in faith" is a usually a phrase commonly used among Muslims, I was puzzled and scratching my head wondering why was Maximus69 using and introducing it to the thread, because I never used the phrase. What I've been using was "brother in Christ" so him using "brother in faith" got me wondering whats going on, but now thanks to TATIME, I've got to understand it is an influence from his back in the day Muslim days, lol, old habit surely are hard to let go off, lol

TATIME:
Granted all humans regardless of whatever we worship are neighbours!

Gbam. Encore standing ovation, lol, at least we agree on something

TATIME:
The name "Jesus" has been subjected to all manner of idolatry in centuries past, leaving most people confused as to what Christianity truly means.

What really is Christianity other than a Constantine Roman invention, lol eh?

TATIME:
Hence questions like the OP keeps emerging due to so many contradicting doctrines in the name of the same Jesus. I'm also one of Jehovah's Witnesses today and i'll never accept anyone as a brother if you don't share my belief ~2John 10-11

Suit yourself, same way, I've telling Maximus69, it is his prerogative, same I'll tell you. Your non acceptance is not going to bring down the price of a loaf of bread

TATIME:
The Bible wasn't written by Jesus but men under the influence of God's holy spirit did, nobody living today can claim he believe in Jesus since we can't see, hear from him nor examine any form of document written by him!
It's the documents written by his disciples (who were eyewitnesses of his activities) that we believe NOT Jesus himself who never penned down a single word in all the 66 books that makes the Bible! John 20:29
Therefore if we believe in their writings today, we need to ask "who are those Jesus is using to dispense vital information in our own time?" Matthew 24:45

Whoever ignored the information they're passing today can't truthfully be a Christian!

TATIME/Maximus69, we all seek to serve God with the help of the Holy Spirit to the best of our ability and capabilities. Our conviction and belief are not formed to please people nor not for their pleasure, so wherever we stand, kneel, crouch, bend down or sit on any particular issue, we should not get sucked into that grimy, dark and ugly place where we begin to vilify, shun, snub, demonise, alienate, disfellowship, exclude or ostracise others because of them being people with different views to us. I will never reject a believer and/or a JW as a brother in Christ, for having a different view on things to me. Afterall, we serve the same Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and preach the same Gospel!

TATIME:
The GOVERNING BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the group Jesus is using in our own time, and they have successfully gathered people from different races across the globe to become one peace loving family. So whoever denies their authenticity as the one and only group Jesus is using can't be my brother in faith.

I am glad you spotted me sneak in the "The GOVERNING BODY" lol. I also typed "the dancing" before Samuel Frederick Herd, lol, then said that, the year was 1999, was when the first black man, was appointed to be a member in the Governing Body and that since then to date, he is the only black man in the Governing Body, lol. If there could be Mr "women have small brains, so cant lead" in the Governing Body, do you think the GOVERNING BODY group is above making mistakes, never could do wrong, it's beyond criticism, it's ever faultless?

TATIME:
That's what Maximus is saying!

Maximus69 has been drinking water, not walking on water. I know what he is saying. I am doing my own saying and what Jesus says too, lol

Maximus69:
Thank God, what a relief!
That's exactly what i've been trying to tell you all these while Sir!

I heard you from a mile way

Maximus69:
You can be brother or sister to anybody according to your own kind of faith, but as for me the only group where i can find a BROTHER or SISTER in my own kind of faith is Jehovah's Witnesses!

There is nothing like "your own kind of faith", there is faith in our Lord and Savior, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. You like self-centralising and/or personalising things too much.

If our Lord and Savior, the Son of God, Jesus Christ is not ashamed to call us and speak of us, as His brothers, why should I be bothered if someone else pridefully feels self conceited enough to turn their back on me and snub me as a brother. I have God, I already have our Lord and Savior, the Son of God, Jesus Christ accepting me as one of His brothers. It is a good and exhilarating feeling to have. Jesus has brought me this far, the devil is a liar, smh. Praise God Alleluia.

Maximus69:
All others are MY NEIGHBOURS!

Every human being on earth first is your neighbour , before they get upgraded into the family of God, as brother/sister.

Maximus69:
So that one is settled Sir!

Its up to you, settled or not settled. I aint losing sleep over you not want to be anyones brother except JWs, lol

Maximus69:
There is nothing like force in the matter,

You cant say anyway, that anyone's forced/has being/has tried forcing you to be a brother

Maximus69:
i think i've made myself clear. If you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses then you're my neighbour NOT my brother.

The loss is not mine, lol

Maximus69:
Haba Jesus said exactly the same thing and the gospel never said Mary, Joseph (junior), Simon, Judas and James pestered him further. Instead three members of his family accepted what he said in good faith while others ignored him anyway

Please dont be self-conceited and if you want to be, brother-to-no-one or prefer to be "Billy No Mates", no one is pestering you over that. Its your prerogative, just as I have previously said to you, lol

Maximus69:
So the same thing i'm saying now Sir, that other religionists may tell you that you're their brother in FAITH but as for me (Maximus) if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses you can never be my brother in the FAITH!

A brother or sister in Christ is who we are, born from above, as God's children. If you're not my brother in faith, you're my equal in humanity, there's no discrimination in that one, lol. The believers' love, with no discrimination is best. Thank you Jesus Christ, Son of God, our Lord and Savior, for taking and seeing us as brothers/sisters.

The dancing Samuel Frederick Herd. If the year was 1999, that the first black man, was appointed to be a member in the Governing Body, though to date, Mr "women have small brains, so cant lead" is the only black, in the seven member Governing Body, there's hope for the other and/or more forms of discrimination too, to melt away, lol

Maximus69:
God's will is for true believers to have the same line of thought on sacred matters, that's why God's only begotten son prayed fervently for this! John 17:20-23

So if you and i aren't having the same line of thought regarding divine judgment, that means our God differs!

I'm OK if you claim that yours is the true God and that mine is fake, what i'll never agree is that you (a none JW) worships the same God as mine, neither are you my brother in FAITH!

Thanks for your time Sir!

MuttleyLaff:
You have ever been spoiling to have an argument and/or fight with me and I keep dodging from it. You have labelled me all sorts, accused me of being all sorts, even after I've pasted quotes of me taken from other topics on other threads, just so you can at least, have an idea of my position(s), you still charge on full cylinders. Maximus69, I am not into proof-texting with Bible verses. I don't have to prove anything about me and/or my faith to you. Have you not noticed with your attitude and way you've been behaving how you have alienated Ihedinobi3? I have on record shared a story here in past on the Religion forum, of my experience with a Jehovah's Witness at an international airport departures lounge, who because she saw me reading a red Bible while waiting to be called to board our flight, thought I was a Jehovah's Witness, but upon being told no, the conversation stopped and went stone dead cold, with a blank stared face. I didn't take it personal, as like I earlier had said, it is because I know people are on different altitudes etcetera.

You already have your 99 problems on this thread with others, please don't have me as your 100th problem. Please, leave me, let me be in my lane. We are on the same train, but in different coaches, that's fine, OK and dandy. I have no problem or concerns with that. Of course, you have a conscience, well ...hmm. I bite my tongue.

I dont think I have ever discussed "you claim that yours is the true God and that mine is fake" with you. Neither, do I think, I have ever discussed "worships the same God as mine or not ..." with you. We have Jesus in common, if you dont want to be a brother, fine then. It is not the end of the world and nobody, anyway, is forcing you to make fetch happen Sir! lol.