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foster212:
What is this one even saying? Only mad people talk like you. Keep displaying your stupidity.

You and your not sensible, wise or prudent comments, lol
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foster212:
Keep ranting psycho. No sense at all. Define ill-advised? Olodo like you.

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Your wish is my command

Definition of ill-advised:
1/ resulting from or showing lack of wise and sufficient counsel when typing a comment or deliberation.
2/ an ill-advised decision, that's not wise, and likely to cause problems in the future comment
3/ unwise or not carefully considered, like done in a typed comment

PS: It is only an olodo rapata upon twenty, someone exactly just like you, who puts a question mark after a request comment, lol

foster212:
Still not making sense, but continue. Mad man beyond redemption.

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We all have been making sense about that your original ill-advised comment, lol

foster212:
Mad man. That is what you are. Your comment don't make any sense at all. Useless parasite like you.

You're in severe pain. I feel your pain(s) and I feel bad for you, lol, because when an "igbolabi" mad man walks nakẹd, it is his kinsmen who feel shame, not himself. Peele. Ndo.

foster212:
No. You are really really mad for you wanting to get noticed by all means. So just shut up and Bleep off and stop showing yourself as you are a nobody and your opinion don't count at all. Better still, you can kill yourself and go to hell for all I care. Dundee.

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Smh, there is this anonymous ancient Euripides proverb, that says: "those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad." There's nothing a dried, before that, soaked up in well peppered water, cat o' nine tails wont sort out in you, lol

foster212:
You are simply a mad man. So since she is not, and then what? And what's funny? Kill yourself for her nah. Useless talk.

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What's funny is, the only difference between me and this madman, is that, the madman thinks he's sane, in all these his comment(s), and I know I am not mad.

foster212:
You are deluded man. Keep ranting.
The man squeeze her breast and so what? Nonsense.
[s]I guess this is that useless delishpot using a different account to continue wailing[/s].

How would you feel, if that lady was your grandma/mum/auntie/sister/niece/daughter/cousin whose brẹast, was squeezed like in that way and/or manner, erhn? I dont think you'll accomodate finding nor appreciate giving excuses for the pervert

delishpot:

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GodWrites, what I humbly want to know is. Why, lol, are you using and/or did you use "aunty" for jesusjnr?

He wasnt expecting shadeyinka to come at him with such flurries of lethal jabs like that and to then culminate them all with a TKO, lol

foster212:
So you think. I'm not even moved and I don't even care about what is said about my comment and I still maintain it.

We know you are not even moved and that's why you say, you don't even care about what is said about your comment and still stand by your comment, but judging by the considerable quite number of adverse reaction/response to your comment, I read other people who actually cared enough, to take exception(s) to your comment. How would you feel, if that lady was your grandma/mum/auntie/sister/niece/daughter/cousin whose brẹast, was squeezed like in that way and/or manner, erhn? I dont think you'll accomodate finding/giving excuses for the pervert

foster212:
Anybody that doesn't like it, can go and kill his/herself, especially that delishpot or delishkettle. That's her fuckin business.

It is only an archetype of Satan, in the bible, who tried getting Jesus jump and kill Himself, that will be pushing that other people can go and kill themselves. Fyi, there's fuckin business and there's love-make business, lol. Know the difference.

foster212:
I only stated the reason why the officer might have done that and not supporting anything. I don't even know what you guys are on about. Dey carry person matter for head wey no even know you and will never know you. Kontinu.

We know you "weren't" supporting anything but since you didnt do a CMA, you left your arse wide opened, for all and sundry, to take a free shot at it, lol.

foster212:
Useless biatch beginning to sound senseless and very dumb because she wants to make sense where there is non. You fool. Go and learn what "maybe" means and read my comment carefully before you rush to type and show your ugly head. Asshole.

delishpot:

foster212, please stop trying very hard to make fetch happen nau. OK mister foster212 sire, let's talk about "maybe" and "arse" erhn?.

First and foremost foster212, there is this thing called CMA, which stands for "Cover My Arse" Now, foster212, MAYBE, if you had put in disclaimer to your comment, like if you had said something like this or in a similar line:
"I am not agreeing nor saying what the man did is right/OK, but "maybe" he wanted to weaken her using that method, so that she will succumb and give in. The story is incomplete" then nobody would have had the guts to go for whupping your opened up for all to see black arse, because you've already done a CMA, lol, but since you didnt do a CMA, you left your arse wide opened, for all and sundry, to take a free shot at, lol. You have no better choice my dear mister foster212, than to think again if your comment could have been better constructed your "maybe," with some element of distancing yourself from that pervert's cowardly action and empatising with a sexually assaulted vulnerable and defenceless woman exercising her fundamental human right and freedom to peacefully protest, by planning to drive to an opposition rally and do just that.

foster212, do you know who that woman at all is, the identity of the woman, whose brẹast that pervert policeman was squeezing, erhn?. Fyi, she is Ingrid Turinawe of the Forum for Democratic Change (FDC), a Prisoner of Conscience just as Sowore, lol. Ah bet you didnt know that, eh? lol

PS: I have just realised that, there actually is more than whats on ground, apparently there's a long standing feud thing going on between you and delishpot, lol.
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Y'all kontinu to have fun sha, albeit, until end of 2019,
but by start of 2020, my hand no dey ooo, lol

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I dont know why, but this talented "GbagaunMuncher" is unrecognised,
he needs more accolades than this measly 2.43K YouTube subscribers nah

delishpot:
Muttley pls don't tell . I don't know why people keep triggering me o. OK. I promise. I will restrain myself my ego is overtaking me.
Sowore s release was a pleasant news indeed.

Ol' boy or is it, issa ol' girl ni. Go ahead jaare, help your self. Carry go jor, nothing do you, but sha, "jerk", or alternatively maybe "arsehole", would have been more appropriate for a male, as normally "bitch/biatch" is used for female, lol.

delishpot:
Muttley pls don't tell . I don't know why people keep triggering me o. OK. I promise. I will restrain myself my ego is overtaking me.
Sowore s release was a pleasant news indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cfd66pOzDs
"Apostle will hear of this" lol

foster212:
You biggest fool. Show me where I said perversion in the comment. Attention seeking biatch like you.

delishpot:
what a misfortune
[s]Edit: Your thunder head straight to and fire your father and mother continously every time you send it my way even if it kills them, it will keep firing their bodies, if they are buried it will keep firing their graves. It will stop only when you stop. So on your mark..... Get set..... Go! Start sending those thunders

Now, I leave you and your thunder to enjoy your perversion. [/s]

foster212, you didnt have to spell out perversion in the comment, especially when you've already made allowances for the jerk's abnormal and unacceptable touching a female vulnerably behaviour and him doing so without her consent. If I recall correctly, the short man devil deviant, didnt stop at touching the brẹast once but he persisted in the squeezing act, as if his life depended on it

C'mon now my dear foster212, sire, shall we be real with each other, erhn? Shall we tell it as it is, hmm? OK, you unwittingly, were finding and/or trying to give excuse(s) for the action of that low-life and lacking self restraint man for handling another man's significant other's brẹast.

Let's be honest, would you foster212, if found in similar circumstance, consider squeezing, an admirable thing to do, hmm? Would you be pleased, if this victim, whose brẹast was continually squeezed, is a female family member of yours hmm? Think about it man, this is tantamount to someone grabbing a man's balls, all in the guise of trying to subdue him. Who does that? Tbh and IMHO, what came to my mind, when that news first broke out, was that the policeman is a sexual opportunist and/or closest pervert

PS: delishpot, you do know what "Apostle will hear of this" is all about, dont you, hmm, lol? Oh, another thing, we thank Abba for orchestrating Sowore's release. Praise God for that. Alleluia.

Daejoyoung:
lol, learning from you baba

MuttleyLaff:
Jesu proceeded from God, just as your spoken or written words here on Nairaland proceeded from you, they always from the word go are you and they a full extension of you, so is Jesus Christ, the Word that became flesh by taking on human form, is God, is an extension of God.

Jesus Christ, who is the Word, proceeded from God. Jesus Christ is God projecting Himself out on earth as Jesus Christ. God and Jesus Christ are one. God is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is God. God had all this planned even before the foundation of the world, that He will come and appear on earth as Jesus Christ.

It is similar to, there is one H₂O, but when solid, its static and hard, when liquid, its fluid and flows, and when gaseous, its free, invisible, untouchable etcetera

Jesus was not created by God, rather God projected Himself out into Mary for Him to be birthed on earth, and come to legally exist as a human being on earth for the purpose and plan of redemption He needed to carry out

Jesus is the, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, as proven in John 1:1-2 above, and it cancels out anyone's earlier statement like in above quote, of Jesus being created by God. How can God create God, Himself, when God is already in existence, hmm? That's just impossicant, but God projecting Himself, isnt impossicant. Capisce?

That Jesus said that He proceeded out of God is a statement of fact. It doesnt anyway implies that His Deity has an origin nor does it take away from Him being Self Existent. Jesus is God aseity, period.

ERR ERRRR! Wrong. No. There's nothing like learning from you baba, lol.

Daejoyoung, MuttleyLaff is a human being just like you. Learn from the Spirit of Truth instead, the Spirit of Truth who goes out from the Father, the Helper, the Holy Spirit, He will guide you into all truth. He will teach you all things, lol. Smart people, in addition, always verify info by looking in the bible.

delishpot:

There you go biatch.
Now I leave you to your perversion

Ha-ah, biatch kẹ? Kilo de? "Oja mi lara jẹ." Biatch? "Apostle will hear of this", lol

Daejoyoung:
lol you are smart.

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I wanted to be smart
and be like you when growing up, lol

Daejoyoung:
of course it's a story, and a powerful story than that of Horus or Harry Potter. Obviously it has had more influence whether we like it or not.

I am beginning to understand your style in writing and/how you construct your comments, the way you sometimes do. Take for example, someone not having knowledge in how you sometimes type, would be forgiven to think that you really believe, its a story, lol

Daejoyoung:
Well for the first time you have succeeded in losing me completely.

There's always a first time for everything, lol. You had a long run, keeping up, though, lol

Daejoyoung:
l don't understand your reply this time, and you are not making it easy for my brain, lol.

Daejoyoung, dont push it, dont force it, it will come naturally. It will surely happen, if its meant to, so let it just happen naturally, lol. Patience is a virtue.

Daejoyoung:
Anyway in the end l believe deeds are more important than what we believe or don't believe.

Deeds (i.e. actions) and believe (i.e. conviction/belief/faith) are twins, not separated at birth Daejoyoung

elated177:
No need for much analyses.
Just a question:
How did archaeologist find the Ark of the Covenant that is presently in heaven?

BlueAngel444:
Presently in heaven
U referring to revelations or what?

elated177:
Yes.

That Revelation 11:19 ark of Covenant seen in John's vision, is the original one. It is the same one that was shown Moses to copy iand make a design from for the Israelites.

Daejoyoung:
l used "seem", because l am replying someone who doesn't even believe that Jesus existed in the first place. So l used "seem" so as not to bring back that debate with him

Not at all a good and/or valid reason to use "seem." Are you aware the damage that might be done to others reading, who now thinking to themselves, "ah, ho-oh. Seem? So this Jesus guy is an opportunist to the last, believing He was that promised one, when He really isnt" hmm?

Daejoyoung:
l believe Jesus knew who He was.

What and what makes you believe Jesus knew who He was?

Daejoyoung:
l am confused, why should l believe in something more than the kingdom of God (something Jesus talked about throughout his ministry)?

Hmm, I love how you said "something Jesus talked about throughout His ministry". Anyway, you might be pleased that the kingdom of God is here, because you believe there's equity, there's goodness, there's the right to non-discrimination on the grounds of sex/gender, there's righteousness, there's power, there's eternal life, there's hope, there's salvation, there's redemption, there's grace, there's forgiveness, there's agape love, there's etcetera in the kingdom of God, lol.

Daejoyoung:
Also what do you mean by "if many Christians read their bible, there would be less Christians today" ? you lost me here.

I wont worry myself over the comment, if I were you, because if not immediately now, sooner or later you'll get it.

Daejoyoung:
The jews were smart enough to write their story in that way, that they are the chosen race through whom the world would be blessed, they believed this for centuries (whether it was true or not) and they lived their lives according to this belief in the so called promise God made to their forefather Abraham, and things have played out as though it were true. That's my point.
At this stage, it is irrelevant if it happened or not, jews believed it and
Jesus seem to believe He was that promised one

ERR ERRRR! Wrong. Smh.
Daejoyoung, I am sure you know what the meaning of Jesus is and also equally know what the meaning of Christ is, lol.

In addition, for someone to say: "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." doesnt sound like who isnt sure of who He is, lol

Daejoyoung:
or at least His followers believed this about Him, and the world has changed tremendously for both good and bad due to this story.

At least Peter said about Jesus: "You are, the Christ, the Son of the living God."

musicwriter:
I very well get your point but you should explain it that way to fellow Africans because our people are slaving away in churches, taking everything literally, thinking they'll go to hell, and paying money to pastors. Anybody reading your previous posts here would think you're a pastor defending Jesus, when, in fact, you may not even be a Christian.

Daejoyoung:
l am a Christian, just not your regular Christian

Lol, if only more christians properly brush up their bibles and truthfully read it, there'd be less christians.

Daejoyoung:
l believe in Jesus Christ and his declaration of the kingdom of God.

You need to believe in more than those two, lol

Demaduka:
@ MUTTELYLAFF
Of a truth, you look to me as a secondary Schoolboy still learning English Language. Please try hard

Demaduka:
@ Gloria Steinem.
My little girl, you are really trying

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Smh, who let you out without putting a leash on you?
DSA and everything about MuttleyLaff are giving you "sifia paints"

Maximus69:
I told you already but the lying spirit in you kept deceiving you!

Come on, do you truthfully believe in the words spoken by that young Jewish carpenter called Jesus of Nazareth?

There were religionists who claims they believe in the God of Moses and carrying the same 39 scrolls written in Hebrew/Aramaic languages just as Jesus also claim to believe in his day.

Well these people thought since they're carrying the scriptures up and down, so they've qualified to be worshippers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! John 8:39-41

But Jesus said THEY ARE WORSHIPPERS OF SATAN! John 8:44

The irony of this is that they were asking Jesus exactly the same question you're asking me now when he kept telling them that his own God differs from their own! John 8:19

So keep deceiving yourself, OUR GODS AREN'T THE SAME!

Maximus69, a tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. Judge of a tree by its fruit, not by its leaves, lol. Aside forbidden fruits in life, fruits belong to all and the land belongs to no one, except the one and only true God.
Like I previously said, 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Deuteronomy 6:4 verses above, lol, I know, already are messing up your theology, lol.

Maximus69, do you know the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship? What is the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, lol?
Has the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, got a name? Whats the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship name? lol. Is this God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, the God Incarnate at all, lol?

Demaduka:
I really pity some like-minded fellows like DSA, whose mindset doesn't allow them to reason with facts on the ground.

Demaduka, mister english lecturer, are you saying DSA is "like-minded" as in meaning having similar ideas, tastes, thoughts or opinions as you ni?

I am just asking ni ooo, lol, because small time now, some pipul will soon be screaming blue murder upandan the place that another pesin needs to learn to write simple correct English that make makes meaning.

Demaduka:
What I said I didn't understand is the wrong sentence you wrote that does not make any meaning

"Yet to this day the LORD has not given you a mind to understand, eyes to see, or ears to hear."
- Deuteronomy 29:4

Demaduka, kornmabitme farmerma hause because in your mind you think its a wrong sentence that I wrote that does not make any meaning now, hmm? Try next time, to read slowing, gently and the words read out loud.

Fyi, has it not yet entered your mind yet, that I consciously wrote that way, so you wouldnt understand, hmm, lol?

Demaduka:
Learn to write simple correct English that make meaning.

Smh, if this how you want me to learn to write simple correct English that makes meaning, I'll prefer you rather write in your village local language to me next time.

Maximus69:
[b]YOU ARE A WORSHIPPER OF YOUR OWN GOD SIR,!

"Behold, I am Jehovah, the God of all flesh:"
- Jeremiah 32:27a

"There is one God who is the Father of all people.
Not only is God above all others,
but he works by using all of us, and he lives in all of us."
- Ephesians 4:6

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist."
- 1 Corinthians 8:6

"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah."
- Deuteronomy 6:4

I am not, when I know who and I know what God, I worship, let you define to me that I worship my own god, lol. That 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Deuteronomy 6:4 verses above, lol, I know, already are messing up your theology, lol.

Maximus69:
AND YOU ARE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF MAXIMUS (A WORSHIPPER OF THE GOD JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WORSHIP).

Maximus69, do you know the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship? What is the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, lol?
Has the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, got a name?. Whats the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship name? lol. Is this God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, the God Incarnate at all, lol?

Maximus69:
PERIOD!

It is funny, yeah, I know that men have period too, only that they dont bleed, lol, besides period is red and not green, drum roll, lol

jamesid29:
Actually that's not really factual and it's one of those misconception about Constantine's influence on Christianity that has been around for so long, that most people just tend to believe it's true. I believe it's right up there with "Constantine choosing the Christian Canon and him making Jesus God".
In reality the proposal of December 25th as the birthday of Jesus predates Constantine or any pagan influence. The earliest allusion to 25th comes from Bishop Hippolytus sometime around 202 ad
"The first coming of our Lord, that in the flesh, in which he was born at Bethlehem, took place eight days before the Kalends of January, a Wednesday, in the forty-second year of the reign of Augustus, 5500 years from Adam.”
This translates to December 25th, 2 BC. Also Julius Sextus Africanus came up with the same date around the same time. This is basically over a hundred years before Constantine and decades before Aurelian .

December 25th was not the only date that was proposed by the early church as Clement of Alexandria writes around 200 ad that different groups also proposed different dates
“There are those who have determined not only the year of our Lord’s birth, but also the day; and they say that it took place in the 28th year of Augustus, and in the 25th day of Pachon [May 20 ] … And treating of His Passion, with very great accuracy, some say that it took place in the 16th year of Tiberius, on the 25th of Phamenoth [March 21]; and others on the 25th of Pharmuthi [April 21] and others say that on the 19th of Pharmuthi [April 15] the Savior suffered. Further, others say that He was born on the 24th or 25th of Pharmuthi [April 20 or 21].”
So for the first 200 yrs of Christianity, the church was silent on the birthday of Christ but apparently by the late 2nd century and early 3rd century there was an interest in pin pointing the date but this interest had nothing to do with pagan influence. It's worth noting that Christians during this period were still a persecuted minority group within the Roman empire,and they did their best to separate themselves from pagan practices and celebrations.
By the early 4th century before the conversion of Constantine, 2 dates were the leading ones, 25th of December and 6th of January( Mainly in the East) even though there was no official festivity associated with them.

There are a couple of leading theories of how these 2 dates were calculated as the Bible doesn't give much information but the most widely accepted one is:

Integral age: this concept has it's roots in Judaism. The basic idea is, all prophets of God enter and exit the world on the same day (Basically conception and death fall on the same day). So when the western church calculated the death of Christ as falling on the 25th of March (14th day of Nisan) it also meant he was conceived on the 25th of March. Add nine months to that and you get 25th of December as the day of birth.
The Eastern church calculation of the crucifixion fell on the 14th day of Artemisios on the Greek calendar which is April 6th. Add nine months and you get January 6.

There are other ways the dates were calculated devoid of pagan influence like the equinox and creation day theories attested to by church fathers writing.

As for the elephant in the room, theres no doubt that we can find pagan influences in the present day celebration of Christmas but this influences come mainly from the later centuries(the 6th century and beyond) as Christianity expanded into western and northern Europe. At this point the church didn't have much of a problem in borrowing from pagan practices and religions. But the date itself is not pagan in origin.

The earliest document to suggest that Christianity intentionally changed a pagan feast day to that of the birth of Christ comes from the 12th century (Syriac biblical commentator Dionysius bar-Salibi). He wrote that Christians moved to day of Christ's birth back from January 6 to December 25th to coincide with the sol Invictus holiday and for some reason later biblical scholars ran with it and it later became popularized in the media. But more modern scholarships has shown that not to be true.

My own personal opinion: It's unclear as to when Christ was born as the Bible doesn't give us much information and it's also true that the early church didn't record celebrating the birth of Christ as a feast day up until the 4th century (though interest in figuring out the day started as early as the late 2nd century and by the late 3rd/early 4th century,the western church already settled on 25th). Today Christmas is a time to be around family and loved ones and also a day set aside by many to acknowledge the birth of the savior of the world, I believe there's no doctrine against such.
During the time of the early church, celebrating birthdays of any kind or of anyone was associated with paganism but today that is no longer the case, so those who wish to celebrate the day should be allowed to enjoy it to the fullest and for those who are not so inclined, it is also fine. I believe either way does not violate any doctrine of Christianity. Romans 14:1-10....Just my own opinion

MuttleyLaff:
False equivalence. Has pentecost, in light of what happened in the upper room, any specified date, that is chosen for that historic day and eventful moment to be remembered and/or celebrated ni? By the way, who in their right senses, goes around referring himself/herself as Penterascals sef anyway?

The sort of nonsense that must stop this 2019 o is rantings and ravings such as like this one. Why havent you wondered, why isnt any other date like, Nov 25th, Oct 25th, Sept 25th, Jan 25th or even sef any other day of month X not picked or selected for celebration. Why particularly is the day December 25th chosen for selection as Jesus' birthdate, lol?

If you accept and agree to the use of the Bible to validate or invalidate any religious practice, based upon "biblical theology" then why havent you considered that, the deliberate omission of the exact date of our Lord and Savior, Son of God, Jesus Christ's birth day, must have by divine providence, been done on purpose, hmm? What afterall is "biblical theology"? Isnt it the study of God from the Bible, hmm? If so, then tell where from your studying God in the bible, it says, to pick and/or select a date, to celebrate the birth and/or death of our Lord and Savior, Son of God, Jesus Christ, lol, hmmm?

The birth and/or death of our Lord and Savior, Son of God, Jesus Christ is a thing to be acknowledged, valued, appreciated, celebrated and be thankful of, not just only on Christmas day, but it should be a daily, everyday affair. Everyday is a day to rejoice.

It is true, not many know the background, that the first 300 years of what we know as Christianity, there wasnt any Christmas (i.e. no Christ's mass.) It just never existed, it wasn't so. It actually was Roman Emperor, Constantine who commandeered the pagan festival of Saturnalia to be converted and used to celebrate the birth of Christ, hence the December 25th that we have that pretends to be Jesus’ birthday, lol. Why didnt (moniker ID edited out), look up on the internet first, what went on during the December 17-25 week long pagan feast, lol, holiday celebration of Saturnalia, lol and compare with Christmas festive period activites today, lol?

jamesid29, you want precise facts, right? OK then, let's go straightaway there, lol. First and foremost, jamesid29, you err, when you typed, that there was no official festivity associated with them. jamesid29, c'mon now, what about all these Christmas paraphernalia? Are they too, like Christmas tree, the decorations, the burning fire yule log etcetera, devoid of pagan influence too, lol?

While its true, others, previously before Constantine, have been romancing with the idea of picking a day for the celebration of Jesus' birth, it actually was Roman Emperor, Constantine who commandeered the pagan festival of Saturnalia to be converted and used to celebrate the birth of Christ, hence the December 25th that we have that pretends to be Jesus’ birthday, lol. It is a fact, that, before the year 336 AD, there is no record of December 25th being observed as the birth of Jesus, in Rome. The church in Rome began formally celebrating Christmas on December 25 in 336, during the reign of the emperor Constantine.

Constantine, having made Christianity, effectively the state religion of the empire, chose this date December 25th, as part of a political move to weaken the established popular pagan celebrations and Roman festival, the December 17-25 week long pagan feast, called the Saturnalia, that's characterised with people feasting and exchanging gifts with each other. Incidentally, also December 25th, is the birthday of the Indo-European deity Mithra, a god of light and loyalty and at that time, was increasingly achieving cult status with the Roman soldiers.

Starting on December 17 and lasting seven days, Saturn, the Roman god of agriculture, is being honored, lol, then starting on December 25 and lasting through January 1, commemorates the birth of Mithras, the Persian god of light, lol, but Constantine merged these two traditions from these festivals with the Nativity story in the Bible and the rest is history on how Christmas was born, lol.

I am saying this, in the real sense of the word, it was Constantine who commissioned, the building of the Church of the Nativity on a spot in Bethlehem assumed to be the exact birthplace of Christ. Check out the below excerpt, on who then, first made Christmas official and declared December 25th a civic holiday, lol.

"While there is one record of Christmas being celebrated in Antioch (Turkey) on December 25 in the middle of the second century, there is no record of its being observed on that date in Rome until the year 336 AD. In 350 AD Pope Julius I declared December 25 the official date and in 529 AD Emperor Justinian declared Christmas a civic holiday. Further legislation by the Council of Tours in 567 AD officially made Advent a period of fasting and preparation; the time from Christmas to Epiphany (the twelve days of Christmas) was also declared part of the festive season"
Excerpt from: https://www.lnstar.com/mall/main-areas/xmas-not-first-choice.htm

jamesid29, in your comments, you said, they are your own personal opinion, that "it's unclear as to when Christ was born as the Bible doesn't give us much information and it's also true that the early church didn't record celebrating the birth of Christ".

OK, let's go there on this comment too, lol. Lets separate facts from opinions but I'll start first, by reproducing here a quote of mine pasted here, taken from one of my posts on another thread

MuttleyLaff:
You're not alone. December 25th is just like every other day to me, for me and everyone in our household. You'll soon have an idea why, if you continue reading on and read on to the end, lol

(moniker ID edited out), you say, no one knows the exact date of Jesus' birth, but with evidences from scripture we are able to pin it down to sometime and somewhere in the month of September, lol. He, as a matter of fact, was born in the month of September, (moniker ID edited out), lol.

The shepherds who had gone to visit him in the manger, would have done so in the month of September/October, lol.

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(moniker IDs edited out) what do you each think Nimrod means in Hebrew. Nimrod, fyi (moniker IDs edited out) is an archetype of Satan, lol and as a matter of fact, December 25th is his birthday, and so by extension and even proxy, Satan's birthday actually it is too December 25th, lol. I am sensing you saying, but God created Satan long before our calendar days ever got going, lol. Yeah, that is true and you'll be right but remember Nimrod, that Nimrod is an archetype of Satan, hmm? lol.

The bad and unsavoury taste in the mouth doesnt stop there, Satan even covets the Sabbath day, by going after it, hence we have Saturday (i.e. Saturn's day, lol)

Every day is a day to celebrate the birth/death of our Lord and Savior, the Son of God Jesus Christ. It is not only on Christmas day. Christmas day was originally a Pagan festival. Constraint of time and space would not allow me to open up here, the can of worms of Christmas day celebration proper and to spill out its ugly contents.

Let's go back a step or two, to see how much of a liar Satan is and to take a look at one of Satan's diversionary tactics. We are going to delve on to October 31st, lol. Yeah, spill the beans on Halloween, baby, lol. Satan will want to give you a false sense of security, by distracting any suspicious attention away from December 25 and diverting the attention on to October 31st, make you believe that October 31st is Satan's birthday and that December 25th is Jesus', lol.

(moniker IDs edited out), yeah, everyday is Satan's day on this earth, until rapture, just like (moniker ID edited out) has rightly above put it, but every day is a day, the Lord has made too and so we should rejoice and be glad in every single day, everyday, and not just one day whether its October 31st, December 25th or whatever day it is set aside for "celebration." The steadfast love of God never ceases, His mercies never come to an end, they are new every morning, every day, great is His faithfulness, so why cant we celebrate everyday, instead of settling for just one day, a day like just particularly only December 25th, lol, erhn? Have you ever wondered why, the powers that be, selected December 25th and not November 25th, October 25th, September 25th, January 25th etcetera, hmmm, lol?

"⁵In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.
⁶Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.
¹⁰So why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. "
- Romans 14:5-6 & 10

Yep, (moniker IDs edited out), we are cognisance of Romans 14:5-6 & 10 above, which is why no one is being judged or condemned for celebrating Jesus on December 25th, neither is anyone being judge or condemned for not joing in celebrating Jesus on December 25th, but just are merely giving a sense of perspective view, on some behind the scene and not usually discussed camouflaged real facts of December 25th, lol. Just gave a snapshot bird's-eye view, as in meaning, just the bones without the meat on, lol.

Happy festive period y'all, lol

jamesid29, I think, "the elephant in the room" is what you called what's just being touched in the above quote, lol.

Opinions change, but facts don't, they never do jamesid29, because they're based on reality. jamesid29, lol, listen, if I should it break down, and by that, I mean embark to speak or write in detail about how Jesus was born in September/October, how one gets to know what month Jesus was conceived etcetera for you, ol'boy, your personal opinion(s), in the face of the presented facts, and there are a sizeable amount of these facts, will expressly change ooo and you'll pronto withdraw them, lol, yet, I am, all for, let sleeping dogs lie and not rocking the table, not discuss the matter any further, lol.

petra1:
far from it. any spiritualy mature bible schollar would tell you

Far from exactly what, petra1? What exactly would "spiritualy mature bible schollar" sic, tell?

Maximus69:
Jesus said it, the religious leaders of his day kept arguing against it but in the end their true color became obvious when they formed alliance to eliminate Jesus !

Maximus69, has MuttleyLaff or anyone else for that matter, to your knowledge, formed alliance to come and eliminate you, hmm?

Maximus69:
I said "YOU AND I AREN'T ON THE SAME PAGE"

and I have more than once, told you Maximus69, that you really need to stop all this your self-conceit, all this exaggerated opinion of yourself, letting blood flow to your head, that's making you Humpty Dumpty big swollen-headed.

Maximus69:
I'm only responding for other followers to see the true color of the spirit in you!

I am gratefully thank you very much. Please tell me the address to where to send you a honorarium payment

Maximus69:
Now this is it

I sure hope you have proof of whatever next, out of your usual habit, you're falsely going to accuse me off?

Maximus69:
A Teenager purposely open a thread to gain wise counsels from EXPERIENCED adults.
Everyone from different religious groups (including atheists) each started dropping their own views on the issue.
Instead of you to drop yours and direct the young lad to where you're getting the wise counsels,you spewed nonsense and ingredients, and when you noticed how EMPTY you are, you directed him to go back home and discuss it with members of his household as if the OP never thought of their existence before coming on social media!

Liar, liar, pants on fire! Hanging by a telephone wire! Maximus69, fyi, and for the umpteenth time, it wasnt me, MuttleyLaff, who made that comment, you're falsely accusing me of.

Look Maximus69, you're a full blooded grown up man, what are you gaining from making up this lie against me and lying like a cheap flea market rug, erhn?

Reproduce here word for word where you found MuttleyLaff, at all said this. If you fail in bringing forward the proof showing MuttleyLaff making that comment, then simply retract your false accusation statement and make a profuse apology to MuttleyLaff for misrepresenting MuttleyLaff

Maximus69, I repeat, if you cant show and display the comment you accuse MuutelyLaff of having made, if you are unable to produce anything and show it, on here, word for word, reproduce here how I allegedly made a statement of such sort, then please, retract your false accusations and tender public apologies accordingly

Maximus69:
Next you started opposing other people's comment and most especially the one coming from Jehovah's Witnesses!

You starting again with your incoherent howls of frustration, erhn? Fyi, Maximus69, I give as good as I get. I dont do favouritism, if you're out of line, whether you're Jehovah's Witnesses or not Jehovah's Witnesses, I'll talk and tell it like it is. One day, you'll realise that to speak bluntly, directly and/or truthfully, even if what is being said is undesirable to the listener, doesnt come from people who oppose you, the listener, lol.

Maximus69:
The publication my brother and i directed the OP to get, you cunningly spoke against it.
After noticing how the young lad responded to the suggestions we gave saying he has gotten the publication and CURRENTLY reading it due to the advice we gave him.
You quickly switched over to saying "he should eat the meet and throw away the bones, because you too often make use of Jehovah's Witnesses publications
Why didn't you suggest the publications in the first place (since you've been gaining insight from it)?
It's after someone else suggested it, your intended opposition failed and the OP has confirmed that he is about to make use of it, that you now changed your tone to "it's full of meat but with bones"

The bible is the best resource, ignore the bible at your peril. It is for this reason I didn't and/or wouldnt have ever suggest the publications in the first place, ahead of the bible. As a matter of fact, I treat and/or consider the Bible as the most important than anything else.

Dont get me wrong, I dont just read the bible only. It was in Mark Twain's book "Innocents Abroad" that he wrote: "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." and with that in mind, is why and how Maximus69, that " "I travel a lot and visit many good, bad and ugly books, but live in the Bible.""

Yeah, I learned all of I what I do share from and/or by reading the bible along with a few other the good, bad and ugly books. Reading is important to me. A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone, if it is to keep its edge, so the saying goes. On top, I love and enjoy reading the Bible. It gladdens my heart and ít's an immerse source of knowledge to me.

Living in the bible helps me a lot and allows me to think outside the box, as the law of liberty gives me the opportunity to do just that, lol.

Maximus69:
You devil's incarnate, Jesus has given us the power to see through the attitude of your type Sir!

You have your sense of perspective skewed up, as usual. This ill-advised comment is not justified, you're so badly barking up the wrong tree, lol

Maximus69:
We are Jehovah's Witnesses, we will never hide anything good from our neighbours, people like you love to be praised as if you're wise because you'll hide the source of helpful counsel and start pretending as if some Holy Ghost spoke with you. Jehovah's Witnesses will always direct all glory and honour to the source of information.
We will not say "we have NOT received wisdom through some people" {1 Corinthians 4:7} we received it from Jesus' brothers {Matthew 25:40} The work of gathering obedient humans for everlasting life is the task Jesus gave them, we are only assisting them by calling our neighbours to come and get life saving counsels from the spiritual brothers of the wonderful counselor! Isaiah 9:6

Yawns. Are all this self-flagellation, really necessary, hmm?

Maximus69:
Your intention is to pretend as if you did not receive anything from Jehovah's Witnesses, because the REBELLIOUS spirit in you wants to block people from gaining salvation, you are not entering and you are determined to stop others from entering! Matthew 23:13

I am not a hypocrite as some might be. Come to my home, you'll find stacks of JW publications, read and havent yet got round to read.

Maximus69:
Jesus has taught us to be fully competent and completely equipped to uncover your mask Sir, you can run but you can't hide! 2Timothy 3:16-17

Smh, the mask comment is my line. I first used it on you, when I previously said, you've worn this mask for so long, you dont have any recollection and/or any idea, of who, you really are, lol

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Maximus69:
This is your post to CONTRADICT the wise counsel that the young lad should read or STUDY the publication with a mature person (who might have had the same experience in the past)

Paul warned Christian youth not to allow the bloom of youth to overshadow their sense of judgment when choosing marriage mates! 1Corinthians 7:36

Peter and Paul both Apostles chosen by our Lord Jesus Christ admonished younger Christians to learn from OLDER Christians! 1Timothy 5:1, 1Peter 5:5

Are you on the same page with Apostle Peter and Paul?
If so, what is wrong in advising a teenager to STUDY God's word with a mature Christian?

You devil's incarnate!

You tell me Maximus69, does WinningEleven, really need the assistance of a mature JW alone and only, to study the publication ni, hmm?

Consider this scenario, WinningEleven is the last person alive living on earth with a house full of stacks of JW publications, how Maximus69, do you think WinningEleven will be able and capable to read, understand and learn from the contents of the JW publications, hmmm, lol?

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Maximus69:
Yes o my brother!

MuttleyLaff is one of those WOLVES in sheep's clothing, pretending to be for Jesus but in his true color, he hates Jesus to the core!

His type will praise Jesus with the lip but when it comes to surrendering themselves to do what he commanded, they will change style! Matthew 15:8-9

Imagine asking someone who purposely came to social media for help to go back and get advice from people at home. Of course the spirit in him is indirectly saying "forget about Bible or spiritual counsel, go and ask your folks for the TRADITION OF MEN"

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It's just too bad that this man, Maximus69, lies, with sincerity