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Demaduka:
It is your personal opinion.

No, you err, it is not a personal opinion. Personal opinions change in the face of facts, facts never change and my comment was made based on facts, lol. It was your comments that were subjectively made.

Demaduka:
Please, your reply made no meaning to me as i can't understand you.

Its better that way, that you dont understand, lol

beresponsible:
Ayam totally confused who come be DSA?

Cheer up, dont be confused, its Dr Sunday Adelaja and the man, DSA, is alright. This is a sponsored smear campaign against him, lol. He couldnt grow the balls to outrightly mention and/or spell out DSA, lol.

nlPoster:
Mentioning top funniest Instagram comedians of 2019 and not including samspedy?

That's weird and seems personal.

Yeah, can you believe that, especially when most of SamSpedy's YouTube video skits watched, are mostly always in the millions plus viewed brackets.

The Halloween skit, got me literally doubling up and collapsing rolling on the floor laughing. When the mama Ojo heard it was Halloween Day, the cake she was enjoyingly eating, got stuck in her throat, she gulped and the background voice sound said "Apostle will hear this" etctera, lol. Ojo took cake without seeing the face of who gave him cake, lol etcetera. Did you watch that skit nlPoster? You might have posted them in the wrong forum.

There are just to many to mention good ones of these YouTube/Instagram funny guys/ladies. The way you'll know, that SamSpedy is good, is that he has 1.16M YouTube subscribers, that is not beans. Twyse, who sef, IMHO, is much more better technically and in creativity than SamSpedy, only has 171K YouTube subscribers. C'est la vie, inside life, that is life, lol.

I love Twyse's "HOW TO SURVIVE IN A NIGERIAN BOARDING SCHOOL" you'll enjoy, if you should watch it too. By the way, Twyse Ereme, yeah, he's last name is Ereme, sufferhead nobi small, for Naija, before coming to the UK. nlPoster watch his "Taofeek Goes To Heaven" skit as well, that one too is hilarious. He, lol, asked in heaven, to be transferred to another angel, lol.

KlintonCod, has only 27.9K YouTube subscribers, Broda Shaggi, has only 275K YouTube subscribers

Maraji, she is good too, but has just 73.3K YouTube subscribers. I too, just like Maraji, dont like little cups, when having my usual beloved coffee, lol.

How can I forget "Taaooma" I love this lady Taaooma Adedoyin, die too, lol. Too bad because she's talented but she only has 18K YouTube subscribers to show for it. She with those face slappings, lol, is the female version of crazeclown, another good funny guy, who's a medical doctor, really by profession with 73.7K YouTube subscribers.

Sydney Talker, is another good funny one, but with 25.3K YouTube subscribers, go watch his "Power Of A Woman" skit, that Ghana Airport Jaye Love lady nah fake compared to the natural and sexily walking lady, he used in that his skit, lol. The "How Ladies Make You Feel Special (giving you signs)" skit, is mad oh, lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-hokbwBZcA
The starting first one in the above featured complication, is my nominated best Sydney Talker ever skit, lol. The actress, lady's condescending stone blank face, her and his acting skills were mwah, great, lol. The last skit in the compilation, the one with the ending surprising gay bestie, lol, ah, lol.

"Homeoflafta" comedy he has 84.1K YouTube subscribers, nlPoster please go and watch all his throne of judgement heaven complication skits, lol, you will laugh tire.

Brother Solo from "LaughPillsComedy" with his trademark Speedy Gonzales ending skit with pick up his slippers and be running, has 40.4K YouTube subscribers

otipoju:
Bro, those guys are not joking they are damn serious. I still dont know what they stand to gain in claiming Nnamdi Kanu was responsible for Sowore's release.

His kinsmen who were arrested with him are still in prison today and his so called influence has not released them.

Hatred is always irrational. It eats up all your sense of logical reasoning. Engaging bigots like them or giving them attention is a complete waste of time.

Brah, lets not heat up the matter and/or make things worse being sentimental over it or by calling names because of some harmless beer parlour type comments said. Lets give ConqueredWest and Biafrannukewith, the benefit of doubt, let's give them, the chance to prove that what they both claim and/or said, is right, true and correct now. Hmm?

LoveElfrida:
Hello everyone, good evening.

I don't really know if this is the right place to seek counsel on this, but this might be my best choice as I have no religion father or mother from whom I could sought explanations. But having been a regular visitor of this forum, I know that I will have a lead to what must be done, and how.

Right since I was small, I've always been that special child to everyone, everyone seems so have this love for me, maybe it's because of my look, or it's because of my intelligence, whichever the case, I've never been sure. I've seen thing/s that others wouldn't see as a child, things that no one would ever believe if I tell them, and of course, everything is well kept in me.

And right since I was small, I've been dreaming of flying, a spatial flight if I might say, sometimes it involves flying in a spaceship in cosmos, the thing is, these dreams don't actually look like one as I am fully aware of what I'm doing and could decide to return anytime, the stress of the "Journeying" would be left of me anyways.

[b] These dreams/flights/travelings continues till today, but the thing is I don't travel in spaceship anymore, neither do I journeys into cosmos/space anymore, but rather flying at my own will, fully conscious of my actions, at times, I travels in speed that I couldn't control different unknown locations to me in earth, mostly Western world, WHY AM I WRITING ALL THIS? I want to know why, because I feel like I'm not normal, I don't sound like others, people will often ask me where am I from, infact many thought I'm not a Nigerian, and the ones I told often doubt me. I want to know why I keep flying around, I want to know that thing that I'm looking for, I want to know if there are others like me out there.

I had an experience yesterday that really scared me, so I decided to fly again in my dream with my full consciousness, then I decided to fly out of Earth, I did, but immediately I was overlooking earth beneath me, I loosed control after I felt an unease I can't fully explained, I fell back into Earth without the control of my self, and I woke not long after that, for a while after that event, I wasn't fine, feeling weak and tired as if I was hit, I slept for most all the day, I was very tired, PLEASE HELP ME, I WANT TO KNOW THE MEANING OF ALL THIS.[/b]

Note: I've journeyed out of Earth on few occasions but in spaceship that always have a pilot, but a word has never been exchanged between I and the ship pilot.

Lalasticlala/Mods please I need a wider audience.

LoveElfrida:
Alright, thanks!

Actually I'm not so good in praying, but in all honesty, I wish I was. Infact I barely knows how to, most of my communications with God are done through praise and worships. I can't live without those.

One way or the other though, I must get my answers.

Praying is not positioning and making yourself the focus of request for your own personal gain, that may not have anything, at all, to do with your purpose in life and/or God's will for your life, lol. Praying simply is about conversing, without fear or inhibition(s), freely with God, just as you, usually will do with one's earthly father(s). Please work on your relationship with God, Abba, our heavenly Father, in order to do this, in addition to the praise and worships you're already doing and good at

LoveElfrida:
@Oaroloye, Immortall, Corussa;
I'm sorry if I bothered you all, but I saw a thread up of mine about dreams, I saw your inputs there, and I thought that you could help here.

LoveElfrida:
I'm not having malaria ma, I know all the symptoms of malaria, and even if it is, I won't be having malaria almost everyday.

I know what I feel, I know what I see, they are just too difficult for any to believe.

Would you believe me if I told you that I have received a coded message that was passed through MOON, A message that no other person at that moment saw, but only me, it's part of the mysteries that I'm looking for answers to.

Everything I wrote is real, to me all these years, I've never thought that there could be a meaning to all, because I enjoyed everything, traveling through space in a spaceship, traveling through earth on hyper speeds, flying around to anywhere, I gasped for my breath yesterday before I became stabilized after the incident.

That's why I need answers, because all of these are more than just Lucid dreams.

LoveElfrida:
Hello there,
Could you give me some advice? I'm scared honestly.

luvmijeje:
I've read your opening post 3 times and after reading it, it brought flashback of my childhood.

When so little(starting from age 4) I remembered consciously dreaming of seeing myself serving people and employing people to help. Before I know it, when I am alone, I will consciously dreamt of being in a very large crowd, organizing how to feed them all and all I will need to achieve that purpose. It's my happy place. It is a place I consciously go to when I want to be happy and run away from my environment. I stopped doing it and I don't remember when it stop. Your thread was a reminder of those moments in my life.

My Advice: There's nothing wrong with you. Embrace it. In due time you will get to understand the messages in those dreams. When it's time to wield it, you will stop consciously doing it. For now embrace it. Fly away.

""It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions."
- Joel 2:28

"’In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams."
- Acts 2:17

LoveElfrida, I'll be as gently as I possibly can, so please dont take this the wrong way. LoveElfrida, you should at your current age, which I am guessing you're a young man/women, be having perception(s) and pursuing vision(s). Dreaming dreams, having nostalgia and/or some form of reminiscencing, are for old men/women

The advice I'll give you in order to stop you from anymore being honestly scared is, stop the daydreaming, stop the fantasying, snap out of it and pull your finger(s) out. Stop hesitating and/or wasting time dreaming and start to act, especially when something obviously needs doing and getting done. You've admitted that, you are and have become aware of something and this through the senses, so why are you sitting on your hands, then, hmmm? What for, are you not taking action erhn? Lol, you werent expecting such tough love talk like this erhn, lol? I know, I know, I know you were expecting some mollycoddle speech, lol. C'mon, get cracking with it, you're holding the house up.

LoveElfrida, Habakkuk 2:2, says: "then the LORD answered me and said: “Write the vision And make it plain on tablets, That he may run who reads it." and, it even, is said that, your visions will become clear, only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams, but who looks inside, awakes

ConqueredWest:
Close your mouth.
Wife ko Wife ni
Provide pictorial evidence about her meeting with US senators and I will provide that of Kanu with the Senators.

otipoju:
Okay. If that makes you sleep well at night.
I no get time for noisemakers.

Biafrannuke:
you actually sound insecure.
lol @ sowore's wife lobbying US senators to release him. That has got to be the biggest joke ever. without KANU sowore would've gone the way of abiola.

ConqueredWest and Biafrannukewith all due respects and utmost humility, except that you both were merely joking, having fun and toying with our sensibilities, I would like to very much, see this pictorial evidence you have and/or you providing proof that Kanu met with Senators, US or not US senators, on the matter of getting Sowore freed

martooski:
WHERE IS IT IN THE BIBLE?

I wanted to pretend I didn't read about the G. O who said 'Christmas' is not in the Bible and so shouldn't be celebrated. It's the same funny mentality of those who confuse terminology with theology. Easter as a term is not in the Bible but we celebrate easter because it's an event and a mystery recorded in scripture. Same with Christmas, it's not the term or calendar date we celebrate but the event and mystery. One day now someone will wake up tipsy on 'anointing' and tell me to tell him why I call myself a Catholic since that term doesn't exist in the Bible. Same folly can be extended to all churches because no church has a name that's used as a group of church members in the Bible.

Why you can be told not to necessarily call yourself a Catholic aside that the term doesn't exist in the Bible is because God is denomination-agnostic, there is no denomination in heaven, lol. There is nothing like Methodist, Baptist, Evangelical, Protestant, Aladura, MFM, KICC, RCCG, Winners, Deeper Life, Penterascals, Christ Embassy, etcetera in heaven or better still the Kingdom of God, lol

martooski:
A Pentecostal church that says it doesn't celebrate Christmas bc the term doesn't exist in the Bible but calls itself a Pentecostal church is just a comic contradiction. Pentecost means 50th day, it was an agricultural feast that had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit until that particular year that the Holy Spirit fell on the apostles in Acts 2. Even after that there is no record in scripture that the Holy Spirit fell on other people on Pentecost day. If I wanted to be 'an anointed idiot' I would have been going round condemning Christians who identify as Pentecostals, quizzing them to show me where it's in the Bible that a group of believers were referred to as Pentecostals or to prove to me where any group of Christians celebrated Pentecost in the Bible. Yet common sense dictates that it's neither terminology nor semantics we identify as Pentecostal but the reality and mystery of the Holy Spirit. Whoever adjectivised SENSE with COMMON hasn't experienced this generation of WHERE IS IT IN THE BIBLE intoxicated Christians, common sense is very rare.

False equivalence. Has pentecost, in light of what happened in the upper room, any specified date, that is chosen for that historic day and eventful moment to be remembered and/or celebrated ni? By the way, who in their right senses, goes around referring himself/herself as Penterascals sef anyway?

martooski:
The Bible is not a dictionary or history book, it's more of a theology than terminology. When you want to use the Bible to validate or invalidate any religious practice, you look for the biblical theology about it, not the terminology. Mothers day, fathers day, Children's day, etc are not in the Bible, but the Bible doesn't have anything against their celebration. It's only a religious ignoramus that will condemn those celebrations and get pious zombies to follow suit. If you care to know, there are many things we do in life that are not in the Bible and God isn't angry at all. Traditional marriage, village meetings, cross over vigils (these 'show me where it's in the Bible' folks who are addicted to 31st Dec Cross over vigil don't even know it's not in the Bible in their sense), birthday parties, wedding anniversaries etc are not in the Bible.
Finally, someone needs to tell Dr Olukoya that MFM has a football club, I've been searching for it in the Bible and couldn't find, abi no be MFM get that football club? Some nonsense must stop this 2019 o, let me come and be going.

By Fada Oluoma

The sort of nonsense that must stop this 2019 o is rantings and ravings such as like this one. Why havent you wondered, why isnt any other date like, Nov 25th, Oct 25th, Sept 25th, Jan 25th or even sef any other day of month X not picked or selected for celebration. Why particularly is the day December 25th chosen for selection as Jesus' birthdate, lol?

If you accept and agree to the use of the Bible to validate or invalidate any religious practice, based upon "biblical theology" then why havent you considered that, the deliberate omission of the exact date of our Lord and Savior, Son of God, Jesus Christ's birth day, must have by divine providence, been done on purpose, hmm? What afterall is "biblical theology"? Isnt it the study of God from the Bible, hmm? If so, then tell where from your studying God in the bible, it says, to pick and/or select a date, to celebrate the birth and/or death of our Lord and Savior, Son of God, Jesus Christ, lol, hmmm?

veeshock:
This same "holier than thou" attitude is why the pharisees had Jesus Christ put to death with all kinds of excuses....it is wrong to heal on the sabbath, Moses commanded us to stone adulterers to death but you....they are only plotting their own downfall. Dec 25 was a day for celebrating the "sun god" so celebrating Christmas on Dec 25 is demonic...like the sun god worshippers created dec 25?

The birth and/or death of our Lord and Savior, Son of God, Jesus Christ is a thing to be acknowledged, valued, appreciated, celebrated and be thankful of, not just only on Christmas day, but it should be a daily, everyday affair. Everyday is a day to rejoice.

It is true, not many know the background, that the first 300 years of what we know as Christianity, there wasnt any Christmas (i.e. no Christ's mass.) It just never existed, it wasn't so. It actually was Roman Emperor, Constantine who commandeered the pagan festival of Saturnalia to be converted and used to celebrate the birth of Christ, hence the December 25th that we have that pretends to be Jesus’ birthday, lol. Why didnt Fada Oluoma, look up on the internet first, what went on during the December 17-25 week long pagan feast, lol, holiday celebration of Saturnalia, lol and compare with Christmas festive period activites today, lol?

Maximus69:
Story! Story!! Story!!!

We can't be on the same page yet contradicting one another Sir!

Smh, you've worn this mask for so long, you dont have any recollection and/or any idea, of who, you really are.

Maximus69:
If your brains are functioning, you should know that your illustration of the TRAIN and COACH is full of FLAWS. Jesus never said all religions are leadng to the same destination! Matthew 7:13-14 compared to Proverbs 14:12

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Its your brains thats not functioning. Mine is perfectly functioning. Permit me to tap you head, so to slap reset your brain back to factory default settings, lol.

Maximus69, when will you stop trying to make fetch happen, hmm? When will you give up all these your futile proof-texting with bible verses, erhn? I am not against you. I am against falsehood. I am not scattering you, I am scattering falsehood.

Maximus69:
Jesus even emphasized that during the end time Satan will successfully gathered worthless fools and deceived them that they're also Christians but he(Jesus) will disown them that he never knew them. Matthew 7:1-23

Paul also shed more light on the same issue when he said Satan keeps on transforming himself into an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:14

Note the phrase "angel of light". Jesus is the light {John 8:12} so for Satan to deceive you, he will disguise himself as an angel working for Jesus (light).

In conclusion where is the final destination of all those ministering or worshiping under such deceptive spirit?
Paul's answer can't be overemphasized " THEIR END IS DESTRUCTION" 2Corinthians 11:15

This is one of the classic reasons, why a bible gun shouldnt be given to someone especially like you, who, if not under supervision, shouldnt in the first place then, have the bible gun. You murder scripture with proof-textings, lol

Maximus69:
So Mr Man, you and i are NOT on the same page(train), i will continue to ring it in your ears, YOU ARE HEADING TOWARDS DESTRUCTION!

Dont waste your breath and looking blue in the face nah, I already have countless times, told you, I sure arent losing sleep over how you feel, what you believe and/or how you want to believe it, lol.

Maximus69:
Your blood is no more on my neck, I have WARNED you! Ezekiel 3:17-21

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Wait for my comment, coming next below, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
Now, Maximus69, be careful of any future reckless and careless utterances, because I am a rock, I am a stone, whomsoever this stone shall fall, will scatter him/her as dust. Anyone who stumbles over this stone will get hurt, and anyone the stone falls on will be smashed to pieces. Dont come later, to say you werent warned. My God, Abba, is a Jealous God, He doesnt have anyone with mess about with me. There is no escape, no immunity from answering back to Him, lol.

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Have you been drinking or something because you reek of stupendous degrees of self-conceit and bad pride.

Maximus69, you really need to stop all this your self-conceit, all this exaggerated opinion of yourself, letting blood flow to your head, that's making you Humpty Dumpty big swollen-headed.

Cant you see from the above quote reproduced, brought here from one of my posts on another thread, that, it actually was me who warned you first, lol, erhn? Now you're doing a JJC lately, trying the same advice, that I previously had given you, on me, lol, smh. You must be court jester and clown all rolled into one, aside all other things you are. Listen buddy, because self-conceit, always leads to self-destruction, please, I beg you, try and deprive yourself of being self-conceited, "sare mọsa" get rid of it, biko, jor.

Trust me Maximus69, if you're proud, not to get rid of it, then shame, round the block, surely awaits you. Conceit, actually, is a gift of little men/women and the smaller the mind, the greater the conceit, lol. I am sure Maximus69, that you're aware that the first sin in our universe was the devil's self conceit, lol. Now, though, I just have to settle with taking Thomas Hood's side, who said: "to attempt to advise conceited people is like whistling against the wind," I'll nonetheless, out of philadelphia, mention you, in my prayers.

kkins25:
finally we have two muttleylaff to battle now..

kkins25, who is the MuttleyLaff doppelgänger?

petra1:
I think its witcraft.
It turned the driver into a tree. If the tree is dry hes dead?
But if the tree is still green hes alive and can be restored by prayer

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Smh. Hmm.

Ishilove:
Of course they could swim. There also wasn't anything wrong with the pool.
This was a spiritual attack

enemyofprogress:
see African woman with her african reasoning. Ishilove just dey fall my hand like my village babe

Dont you know that, what people dont understand, cant easily or readily explain away, they're quick to regard the circumstances surrounding the thing, as being due to witchcraft and/or a spiritual attack ni?

Maximus69:
@bolded in blue. Is a LIE!

Maximus69, you just always like starting unnecessary arguments, lol

Maximus69:
It's Janosky and myself that's worshiping the same God (travelling on the same path)

That's why both Janosky and i directed OP to the same source of info, while you are distracting him from it, telling him to go and meet his family members as if he doesn't know he has those ones before coming on Nairaland!

"WinningEleven, if you are that smart enough and/or sensible to know that the sons of God are not angels, then I dont think you'll have any problems wading through resources at the Jehovah Witnesses' website. I use them when opportuned, as I find they have useful and/or interesting information that they provide, but all what I was saying and emphasising on is that, when you eat the meat, whether JW or not JW, just remember to spit out the bones, just like I do, lol.

WinningEleven, learn about the right eating habits and know about how certain foods, when eaten and/or taken in unchecked, can have adverse effect on the human mind, body, spirit and soul"
- Re: Strange Urges In My Body by MuttleyLaff: 11:29pm On Dec 20

Maximus69, slowing read the above and then embrassingly begin to eat your now, out of habit, "telling-lies-about-MuttleyLaff" words. You're such a bear with a sore paw, spoiling for a fight and looking for arguments to have, that you now have mistaken MuttleyLaff for another moniker, and so went to falsely accuse MuttleyLaff, by saying MuttleyLaff advised WinningEleven to go and meet his family members, as if he doesn't know he has those ones, before coming on Nairaland. Fyi, Maximus69, it wasnt me, MuttleyLaff, who made that comment, but I am not surprised you have mixed up another moniker for MuttleyLaff, because its not the only thing you've mixed up, lol, this just so happens to be your latest one, lol. Its not the first and I am 1000% sure isnt going to be the last you do it again, lol

Maximus69:
Janosky and i are worshipers of the same God that's why we think alike! Roman 15:5-6, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

Do you know the name of this same God you and Janosky worship? What is the name of this same God that you and Janosky worship, lol?

Maximus69:
Roman 15:5-6, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

"Maximus69, what matters is what binds us together, not our differences.
Have you thought about your fingers on your hand, hmm? Are they each and/or all equal in length Maximus69, erhn? Nah, I didn't think you'll say they are, lol.
Maximus69, learn from our fingers, as sometimes there is something they do that makes they be together and together like as if they each and/or all are of the same length, lol."
- Re: Bible Scholars Should Help Me Out With This Teachings. PLEASE. by MuttleyLaff: 2:29pm On Dec 23

Maximus69, very instrutive Roman 15:5-6, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3 bible verses, you above provided there, but Maximus69, if you're oblivious of what binds us together. If you are, that unconcerned, uncaring, unsympathetic and/or indifferent to what we have together in common, then you really, have another think coming, lol

Maximus69:
So if we are saying something and you are contradicting it, it simply means we are not on the same way with you as in NOT the same category! Matthew 7:13-14

It simply means, I enjoy the pleasure of having a healthy, meaningful, dialogue and mature exchange, with not just you only or alone, but with others alike, as well too. As I usually use as an illustration, by a God design, all fingers on our hands, are not equal in length, but when they tolerate each other by a slight bending or a curved shape of an arch, they all become or appear equal in length, lol. At the day of the day Maximus69, we can, without strife, agree to disagree, lol and I sure arent losing sleep over how you feel, what you believe and/or how you want to believe it, lol.

Maximus69, lol, by the way, you must have heard it said that, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not deny how crooked it is. Just put down on the floor, a straight stick, by the side of the crooked stick one, and, "voilà c'est fini", as need I say more, except for, the work is well done. Maximus69, nobody is contradicting, all thats needed to do, is to say the truth and honest truth, and error will stand feeling embarrassed, humbled, ashamed and floored, lol.

WinningEleven:
MuttleyLaff and Janosky, whats with the long arguments?

WinningEleven, what is it you've observed it is, that Janosky has long being arguing with me? Please share, as I dont want to take for granted, I know what you've called and termed "long arguments" Put it this way WinningEleven, what do you know, what is the bone of contention about, that you've noticed going on between Janosky, the Bible and I, hmm?

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WinningEleven, lol, dont mind Maximus69 and his "The TRUTH may shock you my son! Both of them aren't worshipping the same God! So it's the different spirits influencing their thoughts that's causing the ARGUMENT not them" comment. WinningEleven, let me, let you on to something, you see, MuttleyLaff, Janosky, Maximus69, even you and applicable others, we are all travelling on the same train, lol, albeit not in the same coach, due to having different travelling ticket classes, lol. I know which train coach, I definitely am in, lol

WinningEleven, here's me, with the above picture, giving you a perspective of what the train coaches are and what they look like, lol. There's the AC Air Conditioned First Class, its the most expensive class, with fares that can be at par with airline fares in some cases, lol. The AC 2-Tier, Two Tier Air Conditioned Class, attracts upper class travelers, lol. The AC 3-Tier, Third Tier Air Conditioned Class, is slightly cheaper than First Class, it is similar to AC 2-tier, but it is more crowded than AC 2-tier, and it lacks the privacy etcetera, lol. First Class, mostly getting phased out in favor of Air Conditioned carriages, lol. Sleeper Class, bedding is not provided as done for the more expensive coaches lol. AC Chair Car Class, only sitting room is provided, with no standees allowed, lol, it has a total of five seats in a row, three on one side and two on the other side of aisle, its generally three times more expensive than Second Sitting Class, lol. Second Sitting Class or Unreserved Class, the cheapest class of travel. So you see WinningEleven, its a matter and/or case of, to each, its own, lol

WinningEleven:
I'm currently studying the soft texts now sire
Seems it's simplified enough for peeps like me to do alone

MuttleyLaff:
WinningEleven, just be alert and on guard, so when/if you do eat the "The Official JW website lots of practical counsel for young people/youths" that you have the sense wisdom, good and right strength of mind to spit out the bones

WinningEleven, I am glad you're reading from it, but hope you remember the above "tread cautiously" quote advice of mine , lol and also that I said I'll soon get to you, that, you're a smart guy and you wouldnt have any problem overcoming this seemingly problem after I have shared some info and realities with you.

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WinningEleven, you need a matured one indeed, lol.

Janosky:
Job 1:6-7
6 One day the angels [a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan [b]also came with them.
7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

Footnotes:
a. Job 1:6 Hebrew the sons of God
b. Job 1:6 Hebrew satan means adversary.
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Angels were created by God, that fact alone is proof to every sane person that angels are sons of God, the Most High, Yahweh.
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Pls continue to console yourself with your wayo, wuruwuru, deceit. Nobody will force you to believe the truth.

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Whats the matter with this shameless cheap "wayo-wayo, wuru-wuru-to -the-answer" cunning man, erhn?

Where in that Job 1:6-7, did you see the bible spell out angels, erhn?. Is it not "sons of God" we both read in that text ni erhn? So how did you magically see angels being written in the text, erhn? Ah Janosky fear God now, arent animals created by God, arent mountains, rivers, the clouds, trees, birds etcetera created by God, so why arent they too, according to your warped deducted reasoning called "sons of God, the Most High, Yahweh"

Janosky, if with that your another proof-texting with Job 1:6, I should come down on you, you wouldnt like yourself, in fact by the time I am done with you, you'll like Job, hate the day you were born. You think it is angels, right, smh, that presented themselves to God when I can show a thousand and one bible verses, that it is human beings that always explicitly have been presenting themselves to God, lol. Case in point, Moses, as per Exodus 34:2 instruction, presented himself to God. Other bible verse, had, Moses and Joshua presented themselves to God. Even God instructed Moses to specifically, get the Israelites, consecrated, have them wash their clothes, get cleaned up and ready to present themselves to Him, God too. We have Joshua, that gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers; and they presented themselves before God, so you this impossible man Janosky, what are you talking about now, trying to infer that its now angels, in Job 1:6-7, that are presenting themselves to God, lol., smh. My man Janosky lol, you dont understand the implication and in any of those contexts, and for example that Job 1:6, the meaning and reason for that "present themselves before the Lord". You dont know what is going on when "presenting before God" is happening neither have you any clue, what's about to go down when "presenting before God" happens, lol, smh. I pity you Janosky, peele, ndo, sorry, lol

Janosky:
Any where you see "sons of God" in your Bible, remove am & type your moniker there, make your belle sweet you die...
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"But those that received Him,
to them He gave authority to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on His Name,"
- John 1:12

Of course Janosky, that one nah "dandan' now, that one is guaranteed, it goes without you needing to tell me, lol. It comes with the terrain, lol. Yep, I will boldly, proudly and gladly type my moniker there, and that is because of John 1:12 above, lol, praise God Alleluia. Smello dey smell Janosky probably doesnt know about John 1:12, lol.

You're averse to the truth, you're scared shitting inside, lol and thats why you have brown pants on, to mask the fear of facing the truth in the Job 1:3 interlinear. It is giving you deservedly daymares and nightmares, lol.

Janosky:
Kai !!!!
Are you 'high' on dangerous something?

If I had been high on any dangerous something at all, then it just means, it would have been you who introduced me to your dealer, lol

Janosky:
The burden of proof rests on MuttleyLaff....

Listen to him Janosky, trying to pull this stunt with me. Is this the latest you have that your hand has found in your bag of tricks, eh? lol You think you'll become invinble by throwing the "burden of proof" at MuttleyLaff, hmm, lol?

Janosky, fyi, you have this perverse presumption that the burden of proof rests on MuttleyLaff, smh. Prove it nah, where the bible specifically and anywhere ever in black and white, has called angels the "sons of God" and/or when angels are said to be or addressed as "sons of God" C'mon now Janosky, let us invert this your malarkey "burden of proof" wanting to sound smart talk with you showing where the bible spelled out that angels are "sons of God" lol

Of course, OK, for the sake of this thread, let's say the burden of proof, rests with MuttleyLaff, BUT you're CLEARLY seen to be scared and worried of permitting MuttleyLaff to establish the fact beyond a reasonable doubt, and so you, you wont provide a pasted copy for all to see the Job 1:3 interlinear together because you know that:
1/ The bible nowhere specifically and anywhere ever in black and white, has called angels the "sons of God" and neither have angels been addressed to angels as "sons of God"
2/ The Job 1:3 interlinear does not anywhere and anyhow say "bene ha Elohim," even Jehovah Witnesses' NWT (i.e. New World Translation) doesnt use "bene ha Elohim," lol

Tbh, when you hear people sliding the "burden of proof" envelope just like you've just done, it is not because someone, the like you Janosky, at all wants the truth blown wide open and be out, it is because deep down inside, you want the truth hidden, you want to keep things the same, you want the pseudo belief that angels are the "sons of God" to remain just like that, lol.

Janosky:
He's the one ranting about Job 1:3 interlinear, which has ZERO correlation with "bene ha Elohim" ('sons of God) Job 1:6. 2:1

Janosky, if you have nothing to be scared of, why not, simply paste it, maybe to just shut MuttleyLaff up with it nah, hmm, lol? Paste it here, and tell MuttleyLaff to do MuttleyLaff's worse with it, nah, lol

I have countless times seen you quote interlinears, you do even advise others to go and read some Hebrew interlinear transcriptions so to stop scamming themselves, lol, just as you currently unfortunately are erroneously believing and scamming yourself, that the phrase "sons of God" are angels, lol, when there is no where in the bible that specifically spells this out in black and white, lol. All you are doing is "cunning man style, wayo-wayo, wuru-wuru" to the answer, lol.

Janosky:
I challenge MuttleyLaff to post here the Job 1:3 interlinear, make all man see am....

You will have to do the honours to post here, the Job 1:3 interlinear, without my help, all by yourself, my dear sire, lol. It's you who will paste the interlinear yourself with your own hands. I dare you to put your hands into the fiery furnace fire, lol, and lets watch whose hands will get burned, lol This is where the boys get separated from the men, lol. This where we'll know, if you've got insanely big chutzpah or not, lol.

Janosky, you're yakety yak, making noise, screaming blue murder "the burden of proof rests on MuttleyLaff, the burden of proof rests on MuttleyLaff" upandan the place, all because you think its a difficult, hard and impossible thing to do, to show you the truth that the bible nowhere specifically and anywhere, in black and white has ever called angels the "sons of God" nor has it addressed them as or with such phrase and so due to this, its more difficult, harder and an impossible thing for you to admit you're in the wrong. You don't want the whole wide world, to see the truth in Job 1:3 interlinear together at the same time with you because you don't want your illusions destroyed, and with everyone watching, lol. You're scared of the prospect of your "living in a bubble" world crashing down on you, lol.

Dont get me wrong Janosky, everyone's entitled to their opinion about who the "sons of God" are but they including you, cant be entitled to their own facts. The fact is there apparent in the Job 1:3 interlinear, lol, you know this and you're not comfortable of this fact, thats why you cant paste the Job 1:3 interlinear here with your own hands, lol.

jjmekwa:
The last has definitely not been heard of issues flowing from the hosting of Fuji music star, King Wasiu Ayinde Anifowoshe Marshal popularly known as K1, at the 2019 Harvest Programme of the Celestial Church of Christ Genesis Global under the leadership of Senior Sheperd-in-Charge, Prophet Israel Oladele Ogundipe, on 15th December, where the famous singer performed on the altar for over an hour. Because an attempt to sanction the Senior Sheperd-in-Charge better known as Genesis has apparently kick-started what could turn out to be a domino of problems withing the Celestial Church fold in Nigeria.

According to the feelers reaching this writer from reliable sources, the National Headquarters of the Celestial Church in Imeko, a suburb of Ogun State. After the incident of K1’s performance considered as desecration of the altar, the headquarters attempted to invite Genesis to come and face disciplinary actions on 2 offences. One being the K1 issue, and the other being an offence of bigger magnitude which concerned some actions of Cardinal James Omolaja Odumbaku popularly known as Baba Eto in both Celestial Church and Lagos political circles, who also attended the Genesis programme in contention tagged: Harvest of Massive Mercy.

But how exactly did Baba Eto get involved in an infraction worthy of counting against Genesis? This is how: when K1 was about drop the microphone on the day of the harvest to bring his electrifying performance to a close, Baba Eto made a grand entry into the Church which K1 was not initially aware of, but one of his band men rushed to him on the altar on the stroke of the time he was handing over the microphone and the message that Baba Eto had just stepped in was apparently whispered into his ear. Hence, instead of going ahead to hand over the microphone, K1 stepped back with it to begin a special rendition in honour of Baba Eto who just came in. But that was not really the second offence.

The real offence was two pronged. One was that as against the doctrine in Celestial Church, Baba Eto wore his cap into the Church. It was said that he should have ordinarily taken the cap off before entering the Church as a norm. And as if that was not enough, Baba Eto allegedly went on to commit more grievous offence in the Church. There are reportedly, 2 special chairs above the altar in all Celestial Churches which are reserved for exclusive beings. One is said to be reserved spiritually for Jesus Christ, so no one sits on it no matter who they are. And the other is said to be reserved for late Samuel Bilewu Joseph Oshoffa, the founder of Celestial Church, and only any of his descendants who has taken over the leadership of Celestial Church who currently is Rev. Pastor Mobiyina Oshoffa, is allowed to sit on it whenever he visits any Celestial Church.

But lo and behold, after K1 had made obeisance to him while still singing his praise, and Genesis had come to prostrate for him before hugging him on the altar, Baba Eto went straight to sit on the chair reserved only for the person leading the Celestial Church worldwide. Abomination! In the doctrine of the Church, that is what it was said to be; abomination. The Headquarters wondered why Genesis did not ask Baba Eto immediately to vacate the seat immediately the anomaly was committed. And Genesis reportedly sent words back to the Headquarters that Baba Eto was too big in the Celestial Church for him to have challenged like that. For, one, he was quoted to have said that Baba Eto too heads a Celestial Church of his and well aware of the sacredness of the chair. So, he must have some reasons best known to him to have sat on it.

And again,Genesis was said to have argued that late Oshoffa’s wife was in the Church as a guest that day too. So, why did she keep quiet instead of raising issues on Baba Eto sitting on the sacred chair. But the Headquarters was said not to be ready to hear any of his excuses sent in words of mouth but for him to show up personally at the Headquarter to answer to the crimes he allegedly engineered against the Celestial Church. Genesis was said to have responded to them that he would not come because he had not committed any crime whatsoever. So, it was a ding dong affair between Genesis and the Headquarters for days.

Meanwhile, the Church service after the incidents which was held on Sunday, 22nd of December, Genesis reportedly told his congregation that he was withdrawing his Church from the main body of the Celestial Church to stand alone. He asked those of his members who want to stay with him to stay and those who were willing to go away with the main body to do so by their own volition. As a result of that said secession, the main body of Celestial Church was said to have instituted a court action against Genesis on the matter. How that would pan out in the coming days remained to be seen.

But in demonstration of his resolve to secede, members of Genesis were said not to have taken part in general worship by all the Celestial Churches in the country every year which starts few days before Christmas and ends on Christmas day usually referred to as “Imeko”. The battle line has obviously been drawn and the last has apparently not been heard of the matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqHAUbkHItA
K1 DE ULTIMATE PRAISED PASTOR OMODELE GENESIS AND INDUCTED CELESTIAL MEMBER


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ywOrSB1Jo
K1 DE ULTIMATE SURPRISES ALL, PERFORMS AT GENESIS CHURCH

The first video is around June, where and when KWAM1 promised to be in their church in December. The second video is when he kept the promise, on December the 15th to be precise.

It was a matter of time. It wasnt going to be if he will leave, it was when will he "yapa" from CCC to front the church on his own. They gave him an excuse to yapa, lol. Why is Celestial Church allegedly instituting a court action against Genesis now on the matter, for leaving them. What was Baba Eto "gangan" doing sitting on their sacred chair and leaving his hat on sef? Was he codedly sending them message ni?

Ihedinobi3, your posts sometimes are verbose, you often sometimes, write continuingly at tedious lengths. Tbh, if you arent aware, you would lose someone like Daejoyoung in the thick of your write-up because it all becomes and/or turns into information overload. Besides, lengthy post sets off the antispam bot and the result is like your post getting hidden, just as in above. Talking of Daejoyoung, he too is guilty of this too. you look at his posts, you wonder where should I jump in, which part should I respond or not respond, which one should I let pass, which one should I leave as hmm, lol

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Thanks.

God bless.

You humble me CaveAdullam, please don't do something like this again to me. Biko, jor, nah because I really am not worthy.

You humbled me even more, when I found out what your moniker actually means and that, from researching into the meaning of the same moniker "CaveAdullam" (i.e. it signifies hiding place) lol. Much enough massive respect and more Holy Spirit grease to your elbow. I usually ignore compliments and never reply back to any, but you must be heavy in my hands to make an exception to that rule, with you. Take care my dear sire, lol.

Daejoyoung:
Martin Luther did not reject the Book of James. He expressed some reservations about it but nevertheless accepted it.

Good, it means unlike many others here Martin luther revered some parts of the bible more than others, if he believed the bible to be the verbatim word of God, then why have reservations about some part of it?

Maximus69:
People like Martin Luther fought hard to know which way Christianity ought to be practiced, many of their contemporaries feels they're insane for speaking against the traditional doctrines of the Churches, of course the true God will never forget such people who stood against all odds to speak out what seems wrong that the Churches are doing.

By that time all these people were complaining about what seems wrong, Jesus has not come invisibly to intervene in the matters of the Churches. But when Jesus came back in 1914, he started setting matters straight amongst those who have been hungry and thirsty for what is right {Matthew 5:6}, Jesus MUST NOT speak personally with anyone because he is the WORD OF GOD {John1:1} whatever he says should be included in God's word the Bible. And don't forget that since the Bible has been sealed in 98a.d, Jesus himself said "no further addition nor subtraction" {Revelation 22:18-19}

So as a mighty spirit being that he is, Jesus refused to speak to anybody, but he was watching people claiming Christians {Luke 18:8} and using God's holy spirit to pick them one by one out of all the false religions claiming Christians. Then he began gathering them together as one! Matthew 13:24-30

At first they made so many mistakes because the spirit being (Jesus) gathering them didn't talk to anyone. But they can feel the presence of a mighty spirit being permeating their midst. And gradually Jesus began removing all the false religious ideas Satan has IMPLANTED after his Apostles are dead (sleeping). Matthew 13:25 compared to John 11:11-14

Throughout the 20th century, so many religious groups sprang up claiming Christians and dragging amongst themselves which is the group Jesus is using. But Jesus said "BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL RECOGNISE THEM, PEOPLE DON'T GATHER GRAPES FROM THORNS NOR FIGS FROM THISTLES, EVERY GOOD TREE PRODUCES FINE FRUIT AND EVERY BAD TREE PRODUCES ROTTEN FRUITS" Matthew 7:15-18

So after the spiritual cleansing of his own group, Jesus began presenting them throughout the earth for honest hearted and sincere observers to assess how true Christianity should be, just as he did in the first century.

Now the whole world can SEE just one single group {Matthew 5:14-16} whose gathering is bearing WITNESS of God's holy spirit as LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF~CONTROL is permeating their midst! Galatians 5:22-23

So whoever wants to speak against Jehovah's Witnesses, let them continue doing so in support of their religions that's DYING "in their hearts", notice that none of them can proudly present their religion but they want to claim they're brothers in a disorderly form of faith (lying and deceiving their own souls),

The irony of it is that they appreciate the fine qualities they're SEEING amongst Jehovah's Witnesses they don't want to subject themselves to the rules that's bearing all those fine fruits but they want to say "we are of the same category with them"!

That's what pains them most whenever we say "NO" to them, we must keep ringing it in their hears that if they're not ready to subject to God's holy spirit that's bearing the fine fruits they're SEEING in our midst, they can't be our brothers in FAITH!
Matthew 12:46-50


God bless you!

Daejoyoung, don't mind Maximus69, listen everyone knows why, the reasons Martin Luther was initially biased towards the epistle of James, but we that God he later on conceded and made peace with God to accept the book on its merit. He even on record used the book to preach from and so the voice of reason had the day.

I did ask you Daejoyoung, whether you have any of objections to the Book of James, but you don't seem eager to respond or give any answer, lol. Martin Luther made peace with God, I hope you aren't banking on using Martin Luther as an excuse when you appear to start begin explain yourself before God on why you looked down on the Book of James, lol.

Daejoyoung:
Hmm hi Richard thanks for your answers

You Wrote....First, you say that Elijah asked God to kill them. That is not what the text says, he simply called down a curse on them. Nor does it say any of them were killed. Yes, it says 42 were mauled--but mauled means injured, not killed (it is not impossible some died, but it isn't stated as such). As for the claim that it was only for making fun of his head, that is unlikely. People hold up the fact 42 were listed as being mauled as bad because of how many it was--but that cuts around the other way, meaning there were at least 42 of them who were jeering at him. Do you think 42+ people came out of the city just to make fun of a guy for being bald? That seems highly unlikely. The far more likely situation is that they were actually planning to attack him, which makes his calling out of the bears a matter of defense.

Your interpretation is that this was probably in self defense, but that is my point, the text doesn't make it clear, not many Christians would come away with this interpretation from a plain reading of the text, and there are many who can use this passage to say do not mock or blaspheme the anointed of God.
My point is that you had to do exegiesis for this difficult passage, you had to use your logic at this point, to say it isn't possible that it was 2 bears killing 42 children just because they mocked him.
So the bible usually is all about interpretation, and other Christians disagree with you and l, we have no right to call them heretics or blasphemers because the text is not clear in the first place.
This is the problem for people who give a book the authority it should not have, it may have been perfect when written but now it has been translated and the cultures and way of doing things are far removed from us, all we have to do is extract God's everlasting principles from it only like jesus did, because the letter kills( as you have proven) but the spirit gives life.

You Wrote...<I assume this refers to David's taking of the census. The problem, however, is that as is stated in 2 Samuel 24:1, God was angry at Israel before David did anything. The reason for the anger is not stated--presumably it was Israel turning from God again--but to say it was "simply" for a sin committed by David is inaccurate; David's sin may have simply been the straw that broke the camel's back. (if anyone is wondering why it was portrayed as wrong for David to take the census, it was likely not the census itself that was the problem, but David doing it without the accompanying tax that was kind of the point of the census--see Exodus 30:11, which states that the tax should be levied when the census is conducted)>

Yahweh is always angry in the bible for things you don't even expect, this is why this event is not surprising given the character of yahweh ( a merciful but tough God of war) which is nice. So your interpretation again is logical, but for those who worship the bible as a book and take it at face value, why would you blame them?
l never gave this passage much thought until a particular pastor used it for his sermon, he didn't understand it like you, and l don't blame him because the jews attributed to Yahweh( God) every single thing that happened, God creates both light and darkness, the idea of satan as a main opposer to God was not fully developed then, in the old testament God gives command to:
1) Kill babies and horses( 1 Samuel 15v3)
2) To burn promiscuous daughters of priests alive ( somewhere in Deuteronomy)
3) To stone a man to death who picked stones on the sabbath( this may have been understandable at the time but would God do this today?)
My point is this.. Why don't you take Hebrews 1v1 seriously, that in the past God spoke to us through his prophets but now he speaks to us through his son.
ln Luke 9v55-56 the disciples were asking that fire be called down like Elijah did, but jesus said ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of, the son of man did not come to destroy men's life but to save.

As literature to me, the old testament is more interesting than the new testament, l am not rejecting the old testament but l just take it as an interesting read, when l was a child, proverbs guided me all through. There is gold in Ecclesiastes and the Author was wonderful, in thesame way l love Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and the stoic writings, as well as the Buddha and the Tao, and even gems from some of our Nigerian old literature but l cannot except any of all these as the word of God, l consider them useful for my learning and part of all our spiritual fossil records.

l also admire the Yahweh character to an extent but l am free to criticize the character and any other character from the books using my brain in thesame way you used your brain to interprete these texts and l appreciate your interpretations.
l can even accept them as valid interpretations but l know the text itself does not make it clear because it is simply a human book.


You wrote....<None of the textual variants threaten any major doctrine. It doesn't matter if you take out Mark 16:9-20, because the important information is found in the other Gospels. And while some have claimed that 1 John 5:7 is critical to the doctrine of the Trinity, it really isn't--people believed in it on the basis of other verses before 1 John 5:7 was ever in any manuscript>



But Mark 16v9-20 is still in our bible today, and Christians even pastors take it as the literal word of God written by Mark. Now you know these, but christians generally don't know these including pastors, but that is not even my problem.


l have no problem with the text itself and l believe in the text, my point is that it wasn't written by Mark, so the unknown scribe who put it there should also be taken as inspired by the Holyspirit, same with 1 john 5v7, some people quote this till date as major proof of the trinity, this is good and l have no problem with that, but given their view of scripture, would they quote it if they knew it was added one thousand years later by the catholic church and wasn't written by john? for me l have no problem quoting it, because in my view of the bible God inspired that person to put it there and God has been inspiring many books, God also inspires me in many ways l don't know, when l write some things l write, it doesn't make all of these the word of God nor does it make the writings particularly false or true, it only means they are useful for learning.
See l have one major problem with the Islamic religion, and that is the belief that the Quran is the verbatim word of God, when people begin to say a book is the verbatim word of God( quran or bible) they can't question it or see any wrong in it by default.


You Wrote...Martin Luther did not reject the Book of James. He expressed some reservations about it but nevertheless accepted it.

Good, it means unlike many others here Martin luther revered some parts of the bible more than others, if he believed the bible to be the verbatim word of God, then why have reservations about some part of it?

"¹These are the commandments and statutes and ordinances that the LORD your God has instructed me to teach you to follow in the land that you are about to enter and possess,
²so that you and your children and grandchildren may fear the LORD your God all the days of your lives by keeping all His statutes and commandments that I give you, and so that your days may be prolonged."
- Deuteronomy 6:1-2

"²¹If you walk in hostility toward Me and refuse to obey Me, I will multiply your plagues seven times, according to your sins.
²²I will send wild animals against you to rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and reduce your numbers, until your roads lie desolate."
- Leviticus 26:21-22

"They will be wasted from hunger and ravaged by pestilence and bitter plague;
I will send the fangs of wild beasts against them, with the venom of vipers that slither in the dust."
- Deuteronomy 32:24

Please leave richard in peace Daejoyoung ooo. I previously have said there was a there was a covenant between them and God at Mount Horeb.. It was this that Elisha activated, because these young men trainnee prophets from the traditional home where God "lives", Bethel, rejected God and disgracefully sent his prophet away

Now, if Muhammed wont go to the mountain, the mountain will be brought to Muhammed. If you wont go read about the covenant's terms and conditions, I will bring excerpts of them here for you to read, if reading the whole of Deuteronomy 5:1-33 and Deuteronomy 6:1-25, at one go was the problem, lol to know more about the covenant made between them and God at Mount Horeb.

Give it a rest Daejoyoung, because they agreed to the terms and conditions of that contract, lol

Maximus69:
@bolded in red has settled it all!

So since this so called GOAT has resolved in his heart that he is not, cannot and will never be your brother in faith, but will remain unchangeably a GOAT in union with his other 8,500,000 goats under the same umbrella, worshipping together as one big happy family of peace loving GOATS! John 17:20-23

What do you think now?

Are you (a SHEEP) still a brother to this GOAT?

Because Jesus never said that Goats and Sheep are one fold under his shepherding service!

Jehovah's Witnesses are OK with whatever your resolve about us {Matthew 10:25} but know now that we will never agree that we are of the same category as you and your folks!

[img]https://s5/images/KiddingMe.jpg[/img] [img]https://s5/images/GoatAgain.jpg[/img] [img]https://s5/images/GameBrah.jpg[/img]

Maximus69:
This is not the first time you and i had a discuss on PURE WORSHIP, so i know you very well.
The one example i picked from your comments is just a proof that you harbour animosity against Jehovah's Witnesses, perhaps you're now somehow confused on whether to continue kicking against this organization or to sit on the fence!

You just an unashamedly rotten dishonest and untruthful person. Now that you've realised you cant provide the "so many things MuttleyLaff said against Jehovah Witnesses" you embrassingly decided to quickly change the subject into "pure worship"

Maximus69:
But there is no way you can lie when God's holy spirit is involved in the discuss, hence you MISTAKENLY dropped part of what you're trying to hind! Hebrew 4:12

For your information, each one of you claiming Christian outside the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is just another version of pagan WORSHIPING himself!

There is a secret little altar in your hearts where each of you bow to himself whenever you wake up, this makes it extremely difficult for you and your folks to unite as one with heart, soul, strength and mind! Mark 12:29-30
That's the greatest secret most of you don't know!

God's worshipers are peculiar to rules binding on one and all, so no one can isolate himself/herself and say "i'm special" if truthfully you're one of God's sheep, you all must bow to the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} that's one and only evidence ONE SPIRIT is in your MIDST!

Learn from Jesus' illustration of SHEEP and GOATS, this are domestic animals but of totally different attitude. Sheep do things orderly amongst themselves even when nobody is there to beat them with rods, but goats are self-centered never willing to submit to orderliness.

There he goes again on a proof-texting and off tangent

MuttleyLaff:
There is a recurring theme that stood out like a throbbing red sore thumb in your above post and it 'sone word, which is "we,"

We this, we that, we etcetera, it shows an indication, evidence and/or sign of self-centeredness. You seem to think the whole wide world spins and revolves around y'all little fingers.

I am so glad you're beginning to accept, agree, recognise and realise you're a goat, lol. See where you said "goats are self-centered " look, thats exactly what I earlier on was telling you about yourself. I previously before that, had even from my observation of you, told you that, you like self-centralising and/or personalising things too much. I didnt want to hurt your feeling by calling a goat, but its good you've discovered you're one, all by yourself. What you going to do, now, lol

Maximus69:
That's why i keep referring to your so called god as "IT" because it's nothing but your own very rebellious self, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses you can't possibly be my brother in the Lord!

lol, you must have been born an only child. Peele, Ndo. You do know, I am not losing sleep over you not wanting me to be a brother to you, erhn? Nobi by force to make preek rise now, abi. Wait oh, who is the Lord in your comment just up there, hmm? What Lord is this. Has the Lord got a name?. Whats the Lord's name? lol. Is this Lord the God Incarnate at all, lol?

RandomGuy48:
A few notes:
First, you say that Elijah asked God to kill them. That is not what the text says, he simply called down a curse on them. Nor does it say any of them were killed. Yes, it says 42 were mauled--but mauled means injured, not killed (it is not impossible some died, but it isn't stated as such). As for the claim that it was only for making fun of his head, that is unlikely. People hold up the fact 42 were listed as being mauled as bad because of how many it was--but that cuts around the other way, meaning there were at least 42 of them who were jeering at him. Do you think 42+ people came out of the city just to make fun of a guy for being bald? That seems highly unlikely. The far more likely situation is that they were actually planning to attack him, which makes his calling out of the bears a matter of defense.

Some other points are raised here.

MuttleyLaff:
Try saying ''your claims are false'' again

How you managed to read ''murder'' into that narrative wont cease to amaze me

These are the generations of Jacob. Joseph, being seventeen years old,
was feeding the flock with his brethren; and the lad was with the sons of Bilhah,
and with the sons of Zilpah, his father's wives: and Joseph brought unto his father their evil report.
- Genesis 37:2 KJV

The hebrew word used in the Elisha narrative is ''naar'',
As in the original text, it is the same word seen in Genesis 37:2 above, used for a 17 years old Joseph

In the Bible, ''naar'' means young man, servant or attendant a lot more than it means child or children

Talking about temple, Bethel as a matter of truth, was a hotbed due to the sins of Jeroboam
(i.e. legacy of King Jeroboam I setting up the worshipping of golden calves, one in Dan, the other in Bethel),
and so, the young men were attendants at the Bethel temple

It was a face-off between good and evil
The battle lines were drawn by the young men prepared to fight and bent on stopping Elisha coming to Bethel
Breaking up the group of young men is the justification, no, not for murder,
There was no murder rather it was recorded as a SPLIT.
The group of energised and frenzied young men were split up
The group of young men's survival instincts kicked in making them do a helter-skelter dash to safety

Except for just you, a born fabulist, I doubt this your DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH strange theology has a following
With it, you seems to take unhealthy pleasure in inventing crooked accounts
and go to extra-ordinary lengths to elaborately type out dishonest stories

No offense but is this your DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH some kind of perverse joke?

MuttleyLaff:
They werent kids, these were young men on a concerted attack and organised mission that God and His prophet representing Him, are not wanted, would not be tolerated, are not welcome in their city.

Nothing hilarious in this tragic incident, but quite a lot to learn from and out of it, I'll say.

There isnt any struggle in explaining the passage. The passage is more like, if you know, you know. Who no know, no go know



They werent children, they were youths, young men, about same age as Elisha in fact, when the bears attacked.

Death is inevitable. Something must kill a man. Death will come and is mandatory too

Death is a universal truth that can never be defied. We cant change this truth, we all are born with limited breath. Weirdly enough, when you come to think of of it, there are no punishment far worse than death.

They were killed, mauled by the bears. The young men were frozen to the spot with fright when the bears appeared. They likely wanted to run but their feet were literally rooted to the ground, as if glued to the spot and locked-in to the ground. They couldnt run, because they were paralysed out of fear of seeing two blood thirsty bears baying for their puny hide and arse.

Ecclesiastes 7:17 states that: "Do not excel at wickedness, nor be a fool. Why die before your time?"

Those young men got their comeuppance. They carelessly shortened their lives by their bad and/or foolish actions. Abraham and Jacob, probably were turning in their graves at the behaviour of those young men. Abraham and Jacob, were probably rubbing their eyes in disbelief, wondering isnt this the same Bethel we knew and a place we associated with God.

It is tragic, that because Deuteronomy 6:2 was ignored, the young men didnt live a long time, didnt enjoy a long life and the promise that their days may be long didnt happen for them.

There was a covenant between them and God. The covenant had terms and conditions. Read Deuteronomy 5:1-33 and Deuteronomy 6:1-25, to know more about the covenant made between them and God at Mount Horeb.

The contribution OLAADEGBU posted on that thread went swoosh over everyone's head, like as if it was a Naija Airforce fighter jet and "people didn't know warris going on"

RandomGuy48:
Martin Luther did not reject the Book of James. He expressed some reservations about it but nevertheless accepted it.

He did argue for it to be removed but he then accepted it later on as kosher, he even used it in his preaching, his followers wont let him leave James et al out

Maestro21:
LOL.
These jokes. They write themselves.

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Hmm, lol,
one joke, so trying hard, to find another joke

Maximus69:
Your comments in blue is a proof of your words AGAINST the organization of the true God!

Wonders will not cease to exist, so that one sentence, is now what translates to "so many things MuttleyLaff said against Jehovah Witnesses" You're getting out of hand, you better go and seek some help smh. I am sure you're not able and/or capable of saying what exactly is your problem with me making reference to an observation noticed in the racial make up of the Governing Body, lol

Look at you Maximus69, a full blooded grown up man, what have you now gained from making lies and lying like a cheap flea market rug, erhn? Since how long, since when has muttleylaff said so many things against JW, erhn?

See no forthcoming evidences from you, of the so many things MuttleyLaff has said against JW. Since you're unable to, then retract your false accusation and tender a profuse apology for your ill-advised slandering

Where are the so called "so many things MuttleyLaff said against JW" erhn? possible to be listed on one hand, ten fingers or there are really that so many, you just cant count them with hands, lol, hmm? Please provide proofs of your allegation, but if

Maximus69:
I never mentioned the name of any of your religious leaders in person, but you went on mentioning Samuel Herds, though your leaders have no repute because they have no active followers that's recognized as active preachers and teachers like Jehovah's Witnesses, so their names aren't important!

The man is a somewhat dancing JW celebrity, he is in the public space, that's how I got to know him enough to mention him, just as much as I do regularly mention the name of our Lord and Savior, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. I dont understand why you're getting the hump over Mr Samuel Frederick Herd's mention, afterall, it is obvious why I subtly and in an indirect way, kept jabbing you and TATIME with his mention, lol, hoping you'll see what I am pointing out, lol

Maximus69:
As for you and your stupid, hopeless, helpless, worthless, powerless and useless god, i can't just help it but laugh at both of you!
Your god is

Stupid~failure to unite it's worshippers!

Hopeless~giving you no hope where you're!

Helpless~not giving you no brother elsewhere!

Worthless~nobody see its WORKS!

Powerless~unable to equip you to preach!

Useless~no difference between you and shade!
So stop deluding yourself with Nollywood movies , neither you nor your DEAD god can do a single thing!

Smh, there is this anonymous ancient Euripides proverb, that says: "those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad." I havent any more to add to that, lol

Daejoyoung:
ok let me cut to the chase.

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Where's popcorn sef?

Daejoyoung:
I cannot for instance accept the old testament stories that Elijah was angry and asked God to kill young boys and a wild beast mauled 42 of them simply because they mocked his bald head, that is not the god of jesus in the new testament.
l cannot accept that the same God who killed 70,000 people simply for a sin committed by David is the same God of a man like jesus whom l respect so much.

What a pity, smh. "Na small pikin ignorant of the power of the plant/herb, that calls it vegetable" Daejoyoung, you fall my hand, no be small with this one. Why didnt and/or couldnt you ask about that narrative, hmm? The quran in Surah 10:94, has the good sense to tell Muslims, if they are in doubt, to go ask "People of Book," that is, "People of Book," meaning believers. Please, please, please, dont ever be trying to unnecessarily overthink and dont get me wrong I am not defending God actions, I wont even dare really rationalise and/or even attempt to intellectualise any of God's actions, smh. When I read your bold comments, I was scared, I usually arent that easily scared, but I was taken aback, then I wondered to myself that, hmm how can this man, Daejoyoung, walk about with this his huge big balls, this is stuff criminally insane are made from, lol.

Daejoyoung, c'mon now, you should have asked around. Why didnt you ask someone about all these niggling events that were giving you some bother and/or doubts now, erhn? My eyes are misty, writing this, this is all getting at me, making emotional, that you slipped on these banana skins. Listen Daejoyoung, I will paste one of my posts/quotes from 2016, for you to read, next below. It might help to clear some, if not all the cobwebs pertaining to Elisha, yup it is Elisha and not Elijah, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
Are people not bothered to properly read or study the Bible anymore?

Honestly, I wasnt going to be bothered commenting, but the sin of being silent over xxxx's misunderstanding & misinterpretation of the face-off between Elisha and those 42 youths, who incidentally were temple servant young men and not children, would have been more serious than whatever evil actions were carried out or whatever evil motives were harbored by the various so called or latter to be mentioned villains

Records to be set straight are as follows:
#1) It werent 42 children rather it were 42 young men, and they were youths doubling up as temple servants where golden calves were worshipped in Bethel.
#2) Elisha was not a baldie, he for the obvious reason shaved his hair off, but was mockingly called baldie,
just like when someone's called ''adanri'' after sporting a head skin-cut
#3) It wasn't a bear, rather, there were two she-bears
#4) The bears did not brutally kill anybody rather what happened is that, the bears split up the group of young men
If bears did brutally kill anyone talkless 42, dont you think there will be a strong protest or strong objection from their families?
Dont you think there would be a recorded reprisal or dont you think that the people of Bethel will launch a public outcry, if the bears really did kill the 42 ''children''?
#5) Please unhide my post: https://www.nairaland.com/3491827/did-jesus-speak-tongues#51524598

Doubt is removed when one studies the context during reading the text, lol.

Daejoyoung:
So l have come to see the old testament as a collection of different ideas of Yahweh (God) unless you can prove otherwise, if you or anyone can do that, then l would begin take you guys seriously when you claim that the entire bible is your authority.

You're on a long thing, lol waiting for anyone to prove anything to you, lol. Why not just learn not to criticize what you dont understand

Daejoyoung:
When we come to the new testament, then we begin to accept that women should not teach in church or that women should be in obedience simply because Adam was not tempted but Eve, and Eve was created in the image of man (which is contrary to Genesis 1 itself by the way).

With this comment, I now can see, all this is down to the mere fact of you being really and actually simply green, lol. Look, slipped on another banana skin.

Daejoyoung, the woman has been absolved by Jesus. God did, lol, when Jesus asked: "Woman, where are your accusers, Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." and Jesus then said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." So, if after 2000 years of that, women are still having a hard time, then who is to blame, definitely not God, lol, Daejoyoung. The finger pointing game, eh, lol. Three other fingers are pointing back and the fourth at the spot we are standing, lol. Discrimination, on varying levels is rife, lol, if not its veiled, sometimes its pretence that its not there, but the thing itself speaks, the thing speaks for itself, the evidences and facts speak for themselves, lol

Daejoyoung:
Also l cannot shut down my brain to what l know about textual variants in the new testament, and how writings like Mark 16v9-20 do not belong to the original, or 1 John 5v7 which was added to your kjv bible but was never in any earlier manuscript prior to the 10th century.

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You're behaving like a starving man, who upon just eaten one spoonful of a plate of beans and dodo, shoved the plate angrily to one side of the table before then tipping the plate over all and empty it, all because he spotted two tweeny beany little stones in the plate, lol. Why couldnt he have just simply pick out the stones, and then happily continue eating nah, lol, smh.

Daejoyoung:
How can you know all these things and claim that the bible is an authority?
You ask me what authority l base my arguments on if not the bible, and l would ask you on what authority did the disciples as well as Paul and Christians of the first 100 years after Jesus base their arguments on without the new testament?

They had the scripture, not NT. You read Paul and others quoting scripture, in their individual sent off NT letters now.

Daejoyoung:
ln the first 3 centuries, there were many books and there was no canon of the new testament, and the books you read depended on the church you attended, are you saying those were not Christians simply because they had no canon as authority?

Well, all thanks to the Latin Vulgate, which I sometimes, like to refer to as, the Latin Vulgar, lol. First and foremost Daejoyoung, you dont throw away the bath water and baby in it together, just because the water is dirty. Another thing is, scripture will always corroborate and complement scripture. Scripture, would not be at variance with scripture. Scripture, always agrees with scripture, lol.

Daejoyoung:
lf anyone can explain these points to me, then l would reconsider my view of the bible.

You're having a laugh, right? lol, For that much needed "aha!" moment, why not go look up John 15:26 and John 16:13a, erhn?

Daejoyoung:
For the records however, l respect the bible and the core of my theology and spirituality is based on the bible, but that doesn't mean l cannot question it.

lol, smart guy, rigging himself a lifeline. There always, just in case, has to be a lifeline, lol, isnt it?

Daejoyoung:
Martin Luther for instance, rejected the book of James, that doesn't make him a non Christian, but for you he is not a Christian because he doesn't accept all scriptures, but he kickstarted the reformation and this is most likely why you are not a catholic today.

In the West, there is this local parlance, that says, "pesin wey bin crying, still dey see road ooo" It wasnt the book of James alone Daejoyoung, Luther actually wanted to have others, the likes of books of Hebrews, Jude and even Revelation also removed from the canon, lol.

Daejoyoung, let's leave and put Luther to one side for a moment, erhn, as that will allow and let me ask you a simple easy, direct and straightforward question, hmm? Here it is, you obviously countless times must have read the Letter of James, also known as, the Epistle of James, now please answer me sincerely, honestly and truthfully, is there anything in the letter, that you deem makes it not to be part of the canon, hmm?

I am 1000% sure you're aware of the ludicrous activities going on with buying salvation, right (i.e. selling indulgences and purchasing certificate(s) of pardon) That is what kickstarted the reformation and religious and political challenge to papal authority, lol. The title heading up his 95 points theses, that he nailed to the church door in Wittenberg, Germany, was "Disputation on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences" lol

Daejoyoung, I really dont have any axe to grind with Martin Luther. My respect for him his lofty and massive. I doff my hat to him. The effect of the stone he threw into the ecclesiastical pond, the ripples are still being felt up to date, lol

“It is the duty of every Christian to espouse the cause of the faith, to understand and defend it, and to denounce every error.”
– Martin Luther

Replace christian with believer.

Maestro21:
The irony.

Abi ooo, yeah, the irony is when a demon-possessed, in his/her imagination, wishful thinking and fantasy calls an innocent other person demon-possessed

You dont get paid double or treble rate today, I hope you know that, that would have been, if working on Christmas Day and Boxing Day, not the 27th, lol.

BitCraftman:
Many users here will rather see Oyedepo's prophecy not come to pass by 2020 than see Nigeria prosper.
Hate can override, corrupt and nullify one's love for an entity so easily.

I will take It to mean God wanted us to be there by 2020
but we bungled it once again

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Kicked penarity penalty into throw in, lol

Maestro21:
You can't come down on someone who
1. does not know you exist.
2. Does not care that you exist.
3. If you were to add everyone from your generations both going forward and back won't compare to who he was 30 years ago let alone today.

LOL. Delusions of grandeur will make YouTubers begging for subscribers or Nairaland monikers who are not even well-known within Nairaland think they are coming down on you because they told one or two lies about you.

So funny.

"OYeDEpO is a SCAM!"
- Re: "Nigeria Will Be Among The World Powers By the Year 2020" - Bishop David Oyedepo by StrikeBack(m): 12:15am On Dec 27 2019
Read more at
https://www.nairaland.com/524086/nigeria-among-world-powers-year

Why would Pastor Chris keep a dog(s) and bark himself, erhn? lol. Who, in their right mind, does something like that, hmm?

Dont worry Maestro21, wind breeze go blow and one by one, one after the other, we go begin to see fowl yansh, lol

Maestro21:
He is confusing people who were already confused. We only reach out here and there so that some of them will be rescued. When they start raising money online for someone that is when you will hear people say "these MOG should help out". Nobody will remember when people were heaping curses on themselves that was going to lead down that line.

You will see defenders coming from Reprobates defending all the things the bible spoke against. They will scoff at Tongues and try to defend LGBTQ even using the bible (God forgive them). They will tell lies upon lies because it is impossible for them to ever tell truth. They represent the new sect of the cursed house of fleshly men. Their ancestors on this forum have either repented or are languishing somewhere.

You can skip along now. Oya run along, chop, chop, chop, dont worry, I have my means, I'll let Pastor Chris know you've stopped by here, to already earn your pay and keep, lol. Or should I throw out a doggy bone ni, lol

Maestro21:
He is just demon-possessed.

You can quote me. A time is coming where he will denounce Jesus completely and mock even the bible. That will be towards the end.

It's only a demon-possessed, in his/her imagination, wishful thinking and fantasy that thinks he/she has recognised a demon-possessed

1Sharon:
Bwahaaa!! 10 yr old topic??
Cc: lalasticlala mynd44 0AM4J Dominique

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2020 isn't here yet nau, lol

Maximus69:
Pastor
Teacher
Atonement
Cross
Christmas

All these teachings are FAKE that's why it CAN NOT unite people because they are NOT from Jesus! Matthew 7:16-18

Jesus' teachings will surely unite all it's adherents as ONE! John 17:20-23

So no matter how hard you try to pacify FAKE Christians, they will not accept or agree with you unless you're ready to WORSHIP them, neither will those WORSHIPING the same founder of their various Churches be found together as ONE in FAITH! 1Corinthians 14:33 compared to Galatians 6:16

Jesus said "THEY WILL SCATTER!" Luke 11:23

You forgot to add a very also important one, the 8-members GOVERNING BODY with only one black man, since 1999, in the person of, the dancing, lol Samuel Frederick Herd, as a member. Smh. lol

Maximus69:
example is Shadeyinka and MurttleyLaff, they will say so many things against Jehovah's Witnesses all because of their TRINITY deity but are they united in faith?
NO!
Remember Jesus' statement, "They will scatter!"

Maximus69, what are you gaining from making lies and lying like a cheap flea market rug, hmm? Since how long, since when has MuttleyLaff said so many things against JW, erhn? Where are the evidences of the so many things MuttleyLaff has said against JW, hmm? Are the "so many things MuttleyLaff said against JW" possible to be listed on one hand, ten fingers or there are really that so many, you just cant count them with hands, lol, hmm? Please provide proofs of your allegation, but if you're unable to, then retract your false accusation and tender a profuse apology for your ill-advised slandering

Now, Maximus69, be careful of any future reckless and careless utterances, because I am a rock, I am a stone, whomsoever this stone shall fall, will scatter him/her as dust. Anyone who stumbles over this stone will get hurt, and anyone the stone falls on will be smashed to pieces. Dont come later, to say you werent warned. My God, Abba, is a Jealous God, He doesnt have anyone with mess about with me. There is no escape, no immunity from answering back to Him, lol.