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Ihedinobi3:
Hello there.

I'll start with your obvious confusion.

The Bible does not teach either that the Lord Jesus was "begotten", in the sense of "birthed," by God,
or that He "proceeded out of" anything at all.

His flesh or humanity was born by Mary, but it was created by God, not birthed by Him in any way. His Deity, on the other hand, has always existed. It never proceeded from anything at all.

So, it is not biblical at all to say that the Lord Jesus was begotten by God
or that He proceeded out of God in any way that implies that His Deity has an origin. It does not. His flesh was created like all flesh is, and it is only because it is that He is Son in an actual sense, rather than a symbolic one.

Martinez39:
Can you give a physical explanation to water turning into wine immediately after being prayed upon; a sunk iron axe head floating to the top of a river after throwing a piece of wood into the rivet; and how five loafs of bread and two fish can be multipled by prayer to find five thousand people? Explain and win a Nobel prize. You might cure world hunger and put wine factories out of business.

EmperorHarry:
Lmao! Good one..

Martinez39:
How then can you explain the following:
1) Water turning into wine after just being prayed upon,
2) The multiplication of a small amount of bread and fish of feed a thousand people,
3) A sunk iron axe head floating after throwing a piece of wood in the river,
4) Leprosy been healed after the afflicted submerged himself seven times in a river,
5) Walking on water.

Explain these naturally. I have more lists when you are done with these.

Ihedinobi3:
I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by constantly quoting, referencing and name-dropping me all the time, but I really wish you would stop. I don't know when it will be clear to you that you and I are not the same. You have no respect for the Truth, but I have every respect for it. You make stuff up. I don't. You quote the Bible to prove that it agrees with you, I quote it to show where I got my ideas from.

You will never succeed at "correcting" what I believe. You will never succeed at getting me to join your "one-man army," falsely so called.

So, why don't you just leave me out of your madness? I can see how you would not since the Bible is not sacred enough for you to leave it out of your fictions, and what am I compared to God Himself? But it is really wearisome. I'm sure that you can continue to correct and chastise and revel with your fellow "one-man's." They clearly like your constant banter and fights. I can even imagine that they look forward to them at the end of their workday. I do not. I don't like anything about you or your "interpretations" of the Bible. And I have no intention of pretending that I can change them, at least, not while it is so overwhelmingly obvious that you have no respect for the only authoritative piece of literature on earth. So, I will never converse with you regarding anything at all.

I'm sure this will not stop you from continuing to harass me with your attention, but I certainly hope it will demonstrate clearly to everyone who cares that you and I are not at all alike or friends or compatriots or fellow soldiers or anything like that. I have no idea if you're even saved, but it doesn't matter at all if you have no respect for the Bible.

Thehumanlloydl:
Miracles are Natural happenings with a more concentrated desire or power igniting them.
Oceanic Engineers have confirmed; Strong concentrated winds could divide an ocean into two!

kkins25:
no mind the two agbayas showing them selves up and down.
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Ihedinobi3:
Hello there.

I'll start with your obvious confusion.

As for your statement that the Lord Jesus was "begotten" of God or that He "proceeded out of God," you may be referring to

[18]No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John 1:18 NASB

The Greek word there, which is translated "only begotten" actually is an idiom that means "unique." It has nothing to do with origin. The Bible does not teach either that the Lord Jesus was "begotten", in the sense of "birthed," by God, or that He "proceeded out of" anything at all. His flesh or humanity was born by Mary, but it was created by God, not birthed by Him in any way. His Deity, on the other hand, has always existed. It never proceeded from anything at all. So, it is not biblical at all to say that the Lord Jesus was begotten by God or that He proceeded out of God in any way that implies that His Deity has an origin. It does not. His flesh was created like all flesh is, and it is only because it is that He is Son in an actual sense, rather than a symbolic one.

budaatum:
Help For You Problem Is Here

shalom4eva:
Guys like I mentioned earlier, I believe Jesus is the only begotten of God (i.e he proceeded out of God) and he his the Lord, but I am still confused about him being God, cos according John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
He was actually praying to the Father here, which is a direct statement from him quoted by John

Ihedinobi3:
Hello there.

I'll start with your obvious confusion.

As for your statement that the Lord Jesus was "begotten" of God or that He "proceeded out of God," you may be referring to

[18]No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John 1:18 NASB

The Greek word there, which is translated "only begotten" actually is an idiom that means "unique." It has nothing to do with origin. The Bible does not teach either that the Lord Jesus was "begotten", in the sense of "birthed," by God, or that He "proceeded out of" anything at all. His flesh or humanity was born by Mary, but it was created by God, not birthed by Him in any way. His Deity, on the other hand, has always existed. It never proceeded from anything at all. So, it is not biblical at all to say that the Lord Jesus was begotten by God or that He proceeded out of God in any way that implies that His Deity has an origin. It does not. His flesh was created like all flesh is, and it is only because it is that He is Son in an actual sense, rather than a symbolic one.

budaatum:
I'm sure you'd get it someday muttley, that I do not do humour with you. I don't do pull legs with you. I'm not your victim neither and nor do I do any sort of fun with you nor laugh you off until you learn to use your brain

budaatum:
The irony is that it takes you to say this, 39.

Unfortunately, its not a thing that will happen anytime soon as I'd have to wait for him to grow out of his toddlerism which is bound to take a while. Note my first comment to him on this thread then see as things went south.

Martinez39:
@Muttleylaff and budaatum,
Quarrels and misunderstandings are bound to happen but nothing stops you guys from settling things amicably.

budaatum:
Imagine how what he posted there would have sounded, 39, if you did not know me.

Martinez39:
Things escalated quickly between you and muttleylaff.

budaatum:
I try so much to avoid his juvenility but he has this need to go about first explaining to people what I've already said and then letting his stupidity kick in. See how you and I can sit on complete opposite sides of a fence and be civil, while we agrees and is an ass! Just goes to show James was right, devils believe and tremble.

Accept my apology for derailing your thread, 39. I'll try harder to ignore him whenever he refuses to use his brain.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum you are a grown arse man/woman, so please act that way and stop all this your typical puerile and jejune behavior, seeing me as doing "blah, yada, blah, yada, blah, yada," saying I have mouth diarrhoea and that I am not using my brain.

No, you want free and fast food, but I dont operate that way, because anyone that gives you free fast food, stops you from thinking. Curiosity has its own reason for existing, dont be afraid to ask me questions. Dont be afraid, when I in return, ask you hard or seemingly difficult questions. Don't be suspicious or afraid of the answers you might get, but be afraid of not asking the questions and/or answering the questions. Why all about this? It is because its the only way you'll know which direction your truth lays ...

budaatum:
Told you, 39, believing mut is jealous of you!

MuttleyLaff:
Why do you think I should be jealous of your lack of humour.
To be jealous, is not a virtue, dont you honestly realise that ni, hmm?
I'll tell you what MuttleyLaff believes. MuttleyLaff believes you need getting laid, that will loosen you up a bit

jesusjnr:
The fear of God.

Advancedman:
Dear writer Joseph story differs from Adam's because Eve was Adam's wife but this is Joseph Master's wife.
Make diligent study to find the right reference scriptures.

jesusjnr:
What connects both stories is that either of them was tempted by a woman whether wife or not to sin against God.
But while one listened to the woman's voice, the other didn't.
And the one who didn't listen to the woman's voice, did it because of his fear of God.
God bless.

jesusjnr:
The fear of God is one reason not to act so wickedly.
That's what made Joseph not to commit adultery with his master's wife in spite of the her temptations.

budaatum:
[s]Why do you think I should be jealous of your lack of hu.... [/s]
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jesusjnr:
Quite sad.

nwakaibe:
Not true. This news is as old as the hills. She did not remarry. SCHAFER is her maternal family name in Switzerland. And She is at liberty to fully identify with her family there

budaatum:
If you can not understand small things, 39, I can hardly expect you to understand things that require more effort I suppose, but since you ask me to give you some of my pizza I am here offering you my beans too even though your response is "buda you have no bucket, and the well is deep. Where do you get that pizza from?"


Five verses is probably way too much for you 39. Just the first verse should do.

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,

To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations:

Greetings.

You must wonder how we Nigerians are reading what was addressed to the twelve tribes, but perhaps consider that James was writing to those who read and understand James. He was after all not writing for those who are not "keyed in" to understand.

On prayer. You must have heard it said that it means calling on the Lord who is in heaven, yet [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A5-6&version=NIV]Christ said[/url], "when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

He then went on to teach how to pray, which [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Prayer?wprov=sfla1]you may read here[/url] and takes all of two minutes if you prayed it very very slowly, which should make you wonder what we do in secret and for which the Father will reward you, 39?

Well, we study the Word. And the reward for our studying in secret is understanding, and the wisdom that comes from that understanding, which is my beans and my pizza and which I gladly share with you 39.
Can you not see how jealous that makes muttley? I can assure you that he believes!

shalom4eva:
Guys like I mentioned earlier, I believe Jesus is the only begotten of God (i.e he proceeded out of God) and he his the Lord

shalom4eva:
but I am still confused about him being God, cos according John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
He was actually praying to the Father here, which is a direct statement from him quoted by John

Hairyrapunzel:
But people say Jesus is a god. Is jesus a true or a false god? Since there is only one true God.

EternalBeing:
I understand you and, of cause, I agree with what you said. Love, true Love is all we need. I will also add that you can not truly love and live in sin. No matter the deceitful Ness of the heart, it is NOT possible for a guy to truly love a girl and be sleeping with her when she's not his wife. Because he would not only think that such would destroy the girl's life but would also know that it is an adultery against her future husband. Because the girl could get pregnant and lose her womb through abortion, the girl may never be able to stay faithful to her future husband who may not satisfy her like him, etc.

EternalBeing:
I'm creating these threads so that we Christians can all rub minds together, learn from one another, help one another grow to maximize our lives for our LORD while we await His 2nd coming. The Bible says "Iron sharpeneth Iron"

EternalBeing:
Finally, I will like to remind you that most Christians, especially those living focused holy life, are already endowed with Power to do Signs and Wonders but they don't realize it or they are doubting. Taking the case of disciples of Jesus for example. They never knew they could do miracles until they took the bold step to try to. "Faith without work is dead" They came back to Jesus so surprised and elated that they were able to do Miracles as JESUS has been doing.
Luke 1:17. They said, “Lord, even demons obey us when we use the power and authority of your name!”

EternalBeing:
That one thing I love so much about Pastor Joshua Selman. I've never met him in person. After the Bible Course training in his Ministry, fasting, prayers, etc. He then sends the youths to Hospitals to lay hand and heal the sick, market places to pay for mad people and deliver them from demons of madness, he even ecourages them that if they see people carrying new dead body, they should stop them to raise the dead up. Amazingly, crazy testimonies often follow their outing. We live in crazy times and only those with crazy Faith would dominate the coming generation. That man is raising fierce end Time Soldiers of Christs. You shall soon see his progenitor shake the World with massive Miracles. That man understands that "A Success without a Successor is a successful Failure"

EternalBeing:
Like you rightly said, miracles may not really matter to we that are, by HIS Grace, established in HIM. But as for those still out there in the world, the LORD JESUS Himself said in John 4:48 that without Signs and Wonders, they won't believe. So, let's Pray the more that HE empowers us to do Miracles. If HE then delighted us for other services that does not require that, so be it

yanabasee:
@OP, Na textbook??

Dicktionary:
I am not Flabagasted it is still this Op with a Nomenclature of a wanted Terrorist.
Always writing Jargon and Sh!ttious things. Smh

midnighter:
Shouldnt you be saying "Jesus never wore a gown"
Of course Jesus must have worn a robe now, that was the attire as of that time.
dem never show you Bible movie for sunday school
By the way Al-Baghdadi was blown to smithereens early this morning, maybe you should choose another moniker

AngeloPrice:
What a load of crap. Stop writing rubbish Mr terrorist

MuttleyLaff:
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I wouldnt waste my precious time on alBHAGDADI, besides alBHAGDADI is a tool in the hands of the god of Nairaland, who kerching laughs all the way to the bank at alBHAGDADI's expense

budaatum:
buda has no humour where muttley is concerned.

budaatum:
And you were doing ever so well muttley! Can't you just hold your tongue instead of feeling the need to open your mouth when you have nothing worthwhile to say?

budaatum:
So, correcting your misconception of you ignorantly belittling my pizza is "show off"?

budaatum:
Now see you competing as if 39s thread is "who's pizza is better" despite the fact that you yourself claim your own pizza was poison!

budaatum:
I'm dealing here with a person who suffers like you do

budaatum:
and suggest you learn from a thread of one who wisely owns up he has problems

Martinez39:
No no no. The book of James was written to believers

Martinez39:
Ah! Got you! Faith without works, as used by the bible, refers to having faith but not acting like you have faith. Let's analyse.

Martinez39:
Many christians, you and muttleylaff included, have tried to twist "faith without works is dead" to mean that if one prays to god for something, one must work it out.

Martinez39:
This is just a cop-out, a cop-out shrouded in dishonesty (and/or ignorance) to absolve oneself of the responsibility of believing in the miraculous. It also sounds very stupid and ridiculous when we reason that if one is going to work things out at the end of the day, what's the point of prayer? More ridiculous it becomes when you see that prayer without works fails, work without prayer works, and prayer plus works achieve similar results as works alone.

Martinez39:
Given all these, is it not justified, according to the bible, for one to pray with faith to yahweh for healing and then doing away with with medical help while proclaiming that the disease is gone? Rejecting medical help and proclaiming that one is healed and no longer has the illness are the works (the actions that shows one has faith). This is how many sincere believers who are straight forward with accepting the scriptures and have the mental fortitude to put in practice what they've read are harmed.

[quote author=Martinez39 post=83506832]It's ironic that an ex-christian atheist knows the bible much better than a believer.

eaddyboy:
For God will bring every deed into jugdment including every hidden thing both good and evil. Ecclesiastes 12:14

Now, all human being will stand before God on Judgement day to give account of their actions and life while on Earth.

And giving account of stewardship demands defending an actions and why an action took place in the first in place and books shall be open on that very day - I believe!

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. Revelations 20:12

Now, the Earth is filled with Human beings with an estimated 7.7 Billion alive as at October 2019 not to talk of the dead ones

What puzzles me is the parameters in which God will use to jugde each and everyone of us, we have diverse and so many languages scattered across the Earth, how do we understand or even speak to defend ourselves and how are we to know in what language God will use to speak and jugde us as the Ultimate jugde.

Another thing is will the Judgement be passed one after the other, bearing in mind how much populated we are and time consuming it will be ?

Nairalanders, your opinion are needed here please as I seek clarification.... Thanks

budaatum:
You shall be judged by your fruits.

eaddyboy:
Just like that, the tree won't go through judgement ?? Don't deviate bro, I'm seeking clarification not a further puzzle

budaatum:
"May you find the clarification that fits your puzzle", will be me cursing you. But let me not deviate.

So judging a tree by the fruits it produces is not putting the tree through judgement, in your own opinion?

eaddyboy:
I mentioned parameters like languages, Population and how books will be opened in relation to Human beings not Trees

budaatum:
And when Jesus was talking about cutting down fruitless trees, he meant trees, right? And not, "human beings"?

My bad. Accept my most sincere apology.

eaddyboy:
I get your point that the trees signify human being as Jesus Christ used parables at times ok

eaddyboy:
... Just that my actual question was not answered directly as I wanted... Thanks for ur contribution though

budaatum:
You yourself answered yourself when you said:
For God will bring every deed into jugdment including every hidden thing both good and evil. Ecclesiastes 12:14

So why would you think God will have difficulty judging all of your sins in any language or that you will be required to present a defence when [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A29-46&version=KJV]the time to defend yourself is now[/url]?

budaatum:
Rolled round pizza dough from Asda/Tesco/Sainsbury? Who does that and says they made pizza?
Please muttley! I make my dough and bread from flour. Here is it sitting im my cupboard!

XxSabrinaxX:
I'm just saying, buda. You seem to be an excellent chef, aye?

budaatum:
Last nights pizza. I only try.

Martinez39:
This is a bigger lie. This is a lie told out of shameless dishonesty. The book of James was written to believers. Shameful of you to tell a cheap lie for Jesus.

Martinez39:
It has a lot to do with self deceit. When you interpret "church elders" as doctors (which include Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists and other unbelievers), you have bestowed upon yourself a dishonesty and a ludicrous notion that no one can argue with. You really mean to tell me that you don't know what is meant by church elders?

Martinez39:
Absolute rubbish. Your point is?

Martinez39:
Dishonesty at it's peak. I wouldn't bother to argue against your laughable interpretation. Are Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, and Traditionalists, church elders? That's the bone of contention.

Martinez39:
Oil and balms were part of medicine in those days but to heal with oil is not necessarily the same as anointing someone with oil. When a prophet anoints someone with oil, does it necessarily mean that they want to heal someone? Beside, it was also mentioned that the prayer of faith will heal the sick. Which is doing the healing here, the oil or the prayer of faith? Is there any sickness that the oil cannot cure in an unbeliever but would in a believer because he/she has made a prayer of faith? If the oil was doing the healing, wouldn't the bible have said that oil would heal the sick?

Martinez39:
Despite the oils and balms, miracles were a banality and the bible promises it to those who ask in faith and believe. You are shying away from this as a cop-out to absolve yourself of the responsibility of believing in the miraculous. This is something I pointed out in the op. You are also trying to make it out to be that the bible has no hands in the fatal and misleading practice of faith healing. I see you.

Martinez39:
I expect more mental gymnastics from you.

Martinez39:
Not always true. Sometimes, you know something so well to know it deserves to be laughed at.

Martinez39:
Hehe. It still doesn't change the fact that James 5:14-15 provides a concise and clear way to heal diseases using faith and prayer only.

Martinez39:
I rest my case with you. No more arguments from me.