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1StopRudeness:
Wait..are u not the one that opened the context of discrimination and livelihood..?? Yet u are asking me why responded with livelihood of yahooboys, politicians and prostitutes....now u want to respond to me u just randomly asked me about the lineage of Jesus and a prostitute...please what point are u trying to make this information in relation to this thread or in relation to my comment??

1StopRudedeness, let's for a second stop rudeness, was it not you discriminating Bobrisky and Denrele for cross dressing, hmm?

Has Bobrisky or Denrele defrauded anyone like Yahoo boys have, hmm?

Why were you lumping the conversation of Bobrisky or Denrele's crossing with talk of stealing, prostitution and whatnot, hmm?

I already made my point that you be objective, balanced and non discriminatory in your comment in relation to the thread. Thank you.

1StopRudeness:
I want to continue this conversation but it’s like u are an expert in reacting to comment out of context....
first this thread is riding on a religious context....and u quoting constitution....do u understand at all that something can be morally wrong but ethically right...or religiously wrong but constitutionally right....please try and get the context....I was explaining how Deuteronomy 28v5 isn’t about women wearing trousers ..bobrisky ddnt offend me, bobrisky isn’t even the topic of my comment...

Again... You are asking me how calling yahoo boys fraudsters is related to bobrisky....where did u see me call bobrisky a Theif..Did u see my comment relate yahoo boys or stealing to bobrisky??
See, the way u interprete information is clearly not on the same jurisdiction as me...

It is nothing about being any expert anywhere or on anything, but its more of not being afraid to tell it as it is

1StopRudeness, seems you want to have your cake and eat it. When I advised you to be balanced and non-discriminatory, was it not you who said:
So if prostitution is wrong, it doesn’t matter if a lady does it so far it’s a means of livelihood...so it will be discrimination to say say prostitution is wrong

Why subjectively be bringing up "why don’t u hail our politicians then..,since stealing and injustice is wrong, but we all know that’s practically what they do for living.....are u saying it’s discrimination to call yahoo boys fraudsters because its technically their means of livelihood.. " into the conversation, when none have anything to do with Bobrisky or Denrele

You want to stay on Bible grounds abi, OK then, do you know that prostitutes are in the genealogy of our Lord Jesus Christ, hmm?

missjo:
Lol, guys it's been a hot minute.

MuttleyLaff, Hi

Playing MIA cos of heat, erhn?
Hi missjojo, missjo

budaatum:
Instead of quoting out of context mut, and making yourself stupid, remind me again, who said the following?

Those that live in glasshouses shouldnt be throwing stones. No, I didnt quote you out of context ma'am, I just reminded you about your "blindness" and hearing/listening to yourself, thats all

1StopRudeness:
Discrimination?? Who are u people seff? So if prostitution is wrong, it doesn’t matter if a lady does it so far it’s a means of livelihood...so it will be discrimination to say say prostitution is wrong....why don’t u hail our politicians then..,since stealing and injustice is wrong, but we all know that’s practically what they do for living....
Mayb u should clear me well, cos I’m not getting u..are u saying it’s discrimination to call yahoo boys fraudsters because its technically their means of livelihood..

1StopRudeness, fyi, according to the Nigerian Criminal Code, prostitution is not wrong if performed by an independent individual who operates on his/her own accord without the use of pimps or a brothel. OK? Now, 1StopRudeness please tell me
1/ What wrong exactly, has Bobrisky or Denrele personally done to you or anyone else for that matter, hmm?
2/ Have you evidence or proof of Bobrisky or Denrele stealing, hmm?
3/ What specifically is the injustice Bobrisky or Denrele have done that you've wronged them over?
4/ What has having to call yahoo boys fraudsters now got to do with Bobrisky or Denrele?

1StopRudeness:
Some of the Old Testament “don’t Do” laws given to the Israelites were practices sinful nations around them engaged in...and God or Moses ddnt want them doing or identify with those practices....and that goes for Deut. 22v5 which is actually about cross dressing and not just a “woman wearing trousers” cos that’s the only thing people bring up once that verse comes up.:
Cross dressing: ie being a “bobrisky or a “Denrele” .....:simply put: Men wearing women clothes /accessories and vice versa was a common practice among pagans even during Old Testament times....now common among the LGBT and transgender folks in these mordern times
That said.... It’s not a sin for a woman to wear trousers or a man to wear skirt once the aim is not be a “bobrisky”

Please be balanced and non-discriminatory. Also, please find it in you, to be truthful to the fact and be honest enough, to admit that it is specifically the idolatory pagan ritual custom of cross dressing that's the underlying reason of concern to God

Bobrisky and/or Denrele's livelihoods depend on being a Bobrisky or Denrele

budaatum:
Can't say I'm surprised muttley, that you missed everything. Yadayada word diarrhea is usually indicative of blindness and hearing only yourself, though, I doubt you can possibly have been hearing yourself.

"Confession
My eyes don't work as well as they used to so I have not been reading the books I said I would read. I'm listening instead with the devices below. The beauty is I get to 'read' each book more than once - four five times to be precise, and wherever I happen to go. Nothing beats a 1am walk listening to the Word of God."
- Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum: 9:49pm On Mar 30

The internet never forgets. It is simply unforgettable. "Agbalagba arugbo, agba tii nde", it never forgot about your eyes that don't work as well as they used to.

budaatum:
It's all I got for you muttley I'm awfully afraid.

Thank you but don't be afraid. Summon up that 2 Timothy 1:7 God-given love, power and a sound mind.

budaatum:
Can't say I'm surprised muttley, that you missed everything. Yadayada word diarrhea is usually indicative of blindness and hearing only yourself, though, I doubt you can possibly have been hearing yourself.

Stale and unoriginal.

budaatum:
Funny how quite a lot of the New Testament suffers from what they accuse Jude and Enoch of

budaatum, please I think I've missed something, what is Jude accused of and what is Enoch too accused of?
Who are Jude's accusers and who equally are Enoch's accusers?

budaatum:
but the jokers and the hypocrites shall not judge the inspired 66 books by the same measure by which they judge Jude or the so called Book of Enoch as doing so would be blasphemy, so they shall just blind their eyes to the contradictions in the inspired Word of God or weave a web of deceit to avoid engaging with them.

Not me. I dont avoid.

MuttleyLaff:
... I have given you an opportunity to shine, by asking you to give me your best shot, out of all your, the seemingly inconsistencies and alleged contradictions in the Bible, if it wont be explained to you. C'mon, bring it on, why the sudden cold feet, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
With the greatest respect, I beg ...

Oftentimes what seemingly are thought to be contradictions, arent at all contradictions. Whenever you think you're facing a contradiction, do the Berean angle like you've mentioned to check your premise.

I'll be very intrigued if you can list what you've realised dont add up. I must admit and warn you though, that sometimes 1+1 doesnt equal 2

Who are these ambassadors and what myths are you referring to here?
Where are these ambassadors sent from, who are they representing?

MuttleyLaff:
...Nah, no, not another Bible contradiction, that's just your ''m.o.''
This is another of your phantom Bible contradictions
and you pursuing a mistaken belief and misguided line of thought, that, it is another Bible contradiction
Nitpicking, just for mere nitpicking sake, is not healthy

budaatum:
Pity is in reality they worship the Word and not the Spirit of the Word and mistake the finger for the moon it points to.

"But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth.
The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way."
- John 4:23

Image123, I think you're nitpicking and was hypercritical about this man's short video clip. Almost everything under the sun, in the traditional or old-fashioned era years ago, was a big issue for everyone and not just them, BLW alone.

Lastly, there is nothing wrong in women wearing trousers/pants Image123. Are you saying Mrs Image123 and the Misses Image123 dont wear and/or havent ever worn a pair of trousers/pants ni?

"Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? " - by nijabazaar: 2:36pm On Oct 03

If I remember correctly, its the BoE and its inconsistencies/contradictions thats on trial, and not the Bible.

Who is going to waste their time showing how 2 Samuel 24:1 & 1 Chronicles 21:1 are a pseudo contradiction and/or false positive contradiction?

There is a time and place when and when not to answer a fool according to his folly. Ihedinobi3, has perfectly and well demonstrated how to adhere to Proverbs 24:5-6. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know.

nijabazaar:
I have being going via all the debates here. And it seems a few think they reserve the moral authority to deem what is inspired and what isnt.?

One commenter, went as far as to make it seem other denominations' view of the Bible is in consequential to His own view of the books the bible. I dont know. But i think is isolating....intellectual arrogance perhaps.

This is the problem with we Christians. Those who claimed to have been saved, suddenly start thinking like the Pharisees, they now cant afford to look beyond their noses. T

With the debate this Book has ensued here, one wonders, if this is the reason why the early Christian fathers refused or where reluctant, to include it with the final compilation of the Bible.

I am almost getting way pst the last chapters of the book of Enouch. I will add my findings as soon.

I am a catholic, i must say.... I am fairly annoyed by a comment above that seem to put up a nose. But that is irrelevant to the issue here.

The book was surely part of the Dead Sea scrolls. Other sets of Books, discovered alongside, were allegedly stacked away under heavy several concrete-deep vaults in the Vatican. Why??

The BoE also contradicts our Bible in many places. Let me share a few examples.
The BoE has also has some BIZARRE teachings. Here are just a few:
https://www.nairaland.com/5450889/why-book-enoch-removed-bible/10#83348088
nijabazaar form a tag team with gobuchinny so together you both can discuss the contradictions in the BoE that solite3 has kindly helped to list out on the above link

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gobuchinny:
Do you honestly think that God cannot preserve His words brother. Do humans preserve their own words? If they r duplicates it proves to me that there is an original. There r several books of jasher and Enoch (maybe you read the wrong one? but one true one which is still in circulation . When you read it. It fills in the blanks in the bible neatly

Bodydialect57:
I agree with the bolded.

Refer to 2 Timothy 4:3 and Jude 1:18 coming next below

gobuchinny:
Let's discuss your issues with the book. Pls quote it let's discuss. Because if you cant find any thing that contradicts the bible, y do you have an issue? Bear in mind the devil is no fool. He won't bring this 'accursed' book without blaspheming . It's his nature. To curse God cause he will eventually die. Like the quran is, for tho they acknowledge Yeshua, they still curse him. The devil wont inspire the book of Enoch without reaping his benefits. No. Do you invest in a business you want benefit from?

Please quote my friend let put this to bed

solite3:
the BoE was almost certainly not written by Enoch himself. Nearly every scholar agrees that it was written MUCH later than when Enoch lived (pre-flood). Most estimates are that it was written at a time when many other apocryphal books were also written, this time being what is called the intertestamental period; the period between the book of Malachi and the events of the New Testament (app. 400 years). These being the case, the BoE is often called a pseudepigrapha. The term pseudepigrapha basically means that it is a work attributed to an author who is not really the author. (This was usually done to lend credibility to the written work.) In addition, these writings were considered Jewish works, written around the time period just mentioned. Why do these things apply to the BoE? Let's look at that next.

The primary reason pointing to the impossibility of Enoch writing the book lies within the book itself. In several places, the BoE seems to put Enoch as being alive when Noah was born. In (Enoch 106:8 - 107:3), Enoch has a conversation with his son Methuselah regarding the birth of Noah. For example, in (Enoch 107:2-3) it says:

"And now, my son, go and make known to thy son Lamech that this (3) son, which has been born, is in truth his son, and that (this) is no lie.' And when Methuselah had heard the words of his father Enoch-for he had shown to him everything in secret-he returned and showed (them) to him and called the name of that son Noah; for he will comfort the earth after all the destruction."
**(106:18) says that Enoch told Methuselah to name the child Noah.

***Note: Some say that this conversation between Methuselah and Enoch is after Enoch was no longer on the Earth, however, if this is the case, then that is obviously another unbiblical issue (see: Q: #135.).

Based upon dating in the Bible, Enoch could not have been on Earth when Noah was born (Noah would have been his great-grandson). Enoch had his son Methuselah when he was 65 years (Gen 5:21). Enoch lived to be 365 years old when God took him to Heaven (Gen 5:21-22)(Heb 11:5). Methuselah was 187 years old when he had his son Lamech (Gen 5:25). Lamech was 182 years old when he had his son Noah (Gen 5:28-29). Putting these together, Enoch was 65 when Methuselah was born, 252 when Lamech was born, and would have been 434 when Noah was born. Enoch was on Earth for 365 years. He had been gone for 69 years when Noah was born!

The BoE also contradicts our Bible in many places. Let me share a few examples.

(Enoch 2:3) speaks of "rain," when it had not "rained" before the flood (when Enoch lived), and no one even knew what "rain" was (see: Q: #44.).

(Enoch ch. 6-7) are a parallel to (Gen 6:1-4) in our Bible. However, it says many things that are not in our Bible. It says that "200" angels came to Earth to marry and impregnate human women, which resulted in giant offspring. It gives the names of many of these angels. These angels also "taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants" (7:1-2). The Bible never says that "angels" mated with human women in (Gen 6:1-4), but rather than that it was the "sons of God." There are those who believe that the "sons of God" were angels, but I do not. I believe that the "sons of God" are referring to the Godly line of Seth intermarrying with the ungodly line of Cain. I explain this here.

(Enoch 40:7) speaks of "Satans" (plural), and how they were forbidden "to come before the Lord of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth." This contradicts the Book of Job (Job 1:6-12)(Job 2:1-7).

(Enoch 40:9) says an angel named Phanuel "is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life." In other words, Phanuel is taking the place of Jesus Christ.

(Enoch 41:1-2) speaks of "actual" mansions in Heaven for the elect (and that sinners were driven from them). While this may be debatable, I do not believe there are "actual" mansions in Heaven (see: Q: #289.).

(Enoch 67:1-3) says that God appointed angels to build Noah's Ark. Our Bible says that God told Noah to build the Ark (Gen 6:14-16).

(Enoch 69:6) says that an angel named "Gadreel... led astray Eve." Our Bible says it was Satan (Gen 3)(2 Cor 11:3)(1 Tim 2:14).
(This verse also says that Gadreel showed mankind: "the blows of death" and "the weapons of death... the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword." In a contradiction, (Enoch 8:1) it says Azazel did this.)

The BoE has also has some BIZARRE teachings. Here are just a few:

(Enoch 7:3) is perhaps the MOST bizarre. It speaks of "great giants, whose height was three thousand ells," roaming the Earth. Webster's Dictionary says an "ell" is "a former English unit of length (as for cloth) equal to 45 inches." Doing some math, we come up with giants that were 11,250 feet tall!! Some believe that this was a copyist error, and instead the giants were "300 cubits" tall. Even if this were true, a cubit was approximately 18 inches, therefore we have 450' tall giants! (Enoch 7:4-5) goes on to say that eventually, they began to eat men and each other.

(Enoch 32:2-6) seems to indicate that the Garden of Eden survived the flood.

(Enoch 33:3) indicates that Enoch counted every star.

(Enoch 69:8-9) says an angel named Penemue taught men wisdom, and how to write with ink and paper.

(Enoch 106:1-3, 11;12) says that the moment Noah was born, he "opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord."
https://jesusalive.cc/ques393.htm

"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear."
- 2 Timothy 4:3

"How they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
(i.e. whose purpose in life is to satisfy their ungodly desires)"
- Jude 1:18

Bodydialect57 and gobuchinny, I have this sneaky feeling youse havent at all back to back read the BoE. I say this because first, gobuchinny never gave a response to my questions about him to please give me honest replies to each and every one of my questions I asked him in my previous post.

Number 2, if truly youse two have read the BoE, then youse would have noticed the gaping holes in the BoE, as opposed of thinking it is filling blanks and/or gaps.

gobuchinny, you seem not to want to acknowledge the God Factor in 300 men defeating men as much as the sand in the seashore. The God Factor in the virgin give birth to a man. The God Factor in how a sea divides for people. The God Factor in how the earth got flooded and only 8 survived

The book of Enoch speaks about the gospel? So? Even demons, workers of evil and workers of iniquity speak about the Gospel too gobuchinny. So whats the big deal, saying the BoE, speaks about the Gospel, hmm?

gobuchinny, you said, you're asking me again that, do I think God cannot preserve His words, but you refused to reply to my question that, if the BoE, is truly that revered and a book that commands respect and honour, why isnt it, even if its just once, not directly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Others books, even the your beloved Book of Jasher, the original is mentioned, mentioned even at least twice, if I am correct, but high and mighty BoE is missing. BoE, seems to be an outcast. Nobody dared directly mention it with their lips, talkess let it be in a way that is visible to the eye, be seen written out in black ink on the Bible's white. This is an indictment, that at the very least, BoE is an accursed book

I am glad for you that you know the truth about RCC. My grouse at the moment isnt with the RCC, so that congrats to you, is all I'll here be saying about the RCC aside again saying here that, if only more christians properly read their bibles there'd be less christians.

gobuchinny, I would rather we stick to this BoE matter at hand, instead to wandering off talking about Israel, the fakery going on with Ashkenazi Jews and whatnot

gobuchinny, you said:
"Please nwannem, let's discuss the Book of Enoch. Tell me one thing in that book that you have an issue with...
Let's discuss your issues with the book. Pls quote it let's discuss. Because if you cant find any thing that contradicts the bible, y do you have an issue?"

Well gobuchinny, guess what? I have countless times made comments about the ridiculousness of the BoE on this thread and elsewhere, but do you know what gobuchinny? You see up there, is a quote from solite3. solite3 has twice painstakingly provided an itemised listing of contradictions present in the Book of Enoch.

gobuchinny, be our guest, munch on away on those contradictions. You're spoiled for choice gobuchinny, which ones you want to first start sink your teeth into, lol. Happy days. lol.

Please jor, biko, my nwanne friend gobuchinny dont let the crew down, let's put this Book of Enoch to bed. At least make solite3 a happy person tonight before solite3 goes to bed too.

PS: I like that "see: Q: #289". Another strong meat that's too tough for some to gnaw their teeth on, lol.

"⁵But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, ⁶through which the world of that time perished in the flood.
⁷And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men"
- 2 Peter 3:5-7

gobuchinny:
. You cant judge what you haven't read brother. Even in science, you test theories to race hypothesis then laws of science. You must test all spirits first. You should read it first as that's the only way to truly know.

That book does not in any way speak against Christianity. In fact it speaks about Christ. Any book that confirms scriptures 100% cannot be accursed. And I mean 100%. It foretells the birthing of the nation of Israel and the coming of the Messiah till the end of the world and everlasting judgement . But anyways. As long as you beleive in Yeshua that fine with me. But I recommend that book to anyone who is curious to understand mysteries as it explains a lot. Just like the book of Jasher and other apocrypha.

Cheers

You really think I havent read the BoE, erhn?

Nwanne, trust me. I have the three flavours of that nauseating BoE, the same way I have the Quran and many other books like that I wouldnt want to mention their titles here. I am a voracious eater, but it doesnt mean because of eating, I'll call a monkey bros or a dog brother.

gobuchinny, please be honest at least if for this once with me on the BoE, erhn? Now gobuchinny are you trying to tell me, that there isnt anything written in the BoE that you've thought, hmm, thats odd, that doesnt add up, that is ludicrous, that is OTT, etcetera hmm?

gobuchinny, if the BoE, is truly that revered and a book that commands respect and honour, why isnt it, even if just once not directly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Others are, even the your beloved Book of Jasher, the original is mentioned, mentioned even at least twice, if I am correct, but high and mighty BoE is missing. BoE, seems to be an outcast. Nobody dared directly mention it with the lips, talkess let it be in a way that is visible to the eye be seen written out in black ink on the Bible's white. This is an indictment that at the very least, its an accursed book

The demon that knew who Jesus was and even acknowledged Jesus, did the demon speak against Christianity, hmm? Did the demon not speak positively about Christ, hmm? Did the demon not confirm the scripture 100% about Jesus Christ, huh? Was the accursed demon, not in a manner that is suitable or proper in the circumstances, dealth with, erhn? If your replies are, yes, yes, yes and yes, then need I say more, then I rest my case.

Fyi, that the Book of Jasher now paraded about is not the original one mentioned in the Bible. The original BoJ is lost, missing AWOL, the paraded one is a hoax. The other apocrypha clearly werent God inspired, just as the BoE isnt.

CaveAdullam:
no correlation yet muttley.

"¹⁵Will you keep to the old way. Which wicked men have trod,
(i.e. will you stay on the ancient path that wicked men have trod?)
¹⁶Who were cut down before their time, Whose foundations were swept away by a flood?
¹⁷They said to God, ‘Depart from us. What can the Almighty do to us?’"
- Job 22:15-17

"⁷While the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
⁸Who enclosed the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb,"
- Job 38:8

How do you mean, no correlation yet muttley? No correlation yet to what CaveAdullam? In all the above, the high water mark verse, excuse the pun CaveAdullam, lol, is Job 22:17. I bet it was the patriarch Noah who had the last laugh

gobuchinny:
Hey muttey man. Sorry for calling you a boy. No need for all the bad blood. I have no issues with you bruv. We just dont agree on the glorious book of Enoch. At least you beleive in the conventional bible and that's fine with me. Enoch n d likes r more of strong meat. Reading it or not has nothing to do with a better relationship with Elohim. After all He is the reason for this discuss. My apologies once again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsYEiYUP_OI

I knew that underneath, you're flesh and blood, with sweet human kindness flowing in your veins. You're a good 'un. I knew all that your bravado nah front and wash, lol. You see, you and I sabi and understand each other gobuchinny, because people like you and I give as good as we get. If na to do rough play, we dey there, if na to do ajebo and gelato, we dey there, lol. Nwanne, did you hear anyone say anything about apologies, please tell the person not to be daft. Me, I get strong chin, but maybe I am like that dog in the above clip, my bark is loud and stronger so I dont bite, lol.

Nwanne, we dont have to agree on everything, this is even by a God design, look at your fingers are they equal in lenght, hmm? Of course not, but they only become equal and tip to tip only when they come together bending.

Enoch and the likes are more of strong meat? Face palm, smh, pull the other leg. The Book of Enoch and the likes are serious risks to the health of a son of God/daughter of God, lol wink wink.

CaveAdullam:
Alright, maybe I didn't get the proper understanding of your points so forgive me if I didn't presents your statement rightly.

It's alright, things like that happen when one gets excited, lol

CaveAdullam:
I don't think the flood in Job 22:16 is anyway close to the one that occurred in Genesis.

Dont you now? Na which mouth you use tok and make such a sacrilegious comment as this with, erhn, lol.

OK then, what about this other verse then, its the next verse after the popular well known world famous, star verse Job 38:7 that everyone ignores. I dont know why people refuse to take notice of or acknowledge it, so dont ask me, but maybe, if I want to guess, I'll say its because people are so used to reading bible verses in isolation to other verses up and below the verse they are focused on.

Anyway, CaveAdullam, hey, here is the verse, it is Job 38:8. Is Job 38:8 now that convincing enough for you, huh CaveAdullam? Is it anyway close to the flood that occurred in Genesis, hmm CaveAdullam? lol. Talk now, lol.

CaveAdullam, tbh with you, you need to revist Job 22:15-18, carefully and thoughtfully read it and then keep me updated on what you think of it

CaveAdullam:
My brother please wait, because my mind is open towards the truth and nothing but the truth, I always yearn to get proper understanding on any topic.

If Job is the oldest book of the Bible don't you think muttleylaff "might" be correct to say Job lived before the flood?

Just reasoning.

CaveAdullam, I love it when you are exercising those gray matter muscles. It's good nice one. Keep it up

CaveAdullam I never made any comment about Job existing before the flood ooo. Please don't dump marijuana inside my pocket abeg, lol.

Taking the mention of flood further, correctly and fyi, Job existed postdiluvian CaveAdullam, in simple and easy language, that means, he lived after the flood, lol.

I know you are itching to have proof or evidence of this, so here is one out of others I can give you. Check out Job 22:16, and let me know what you think of it, lol.

gobuchinny:
Dont take it personal. You r a boy in spiritual matters. Like my son or daughter . How I explain God to them? Yes that how you r. Not in age bro so no need to be disturbing my father .

You might be 80 yrs for all I care but still a boy. Deal with it. Comment closed. Your foolishness is beginning to weary me.

Whether you are talking spiritually or physically, it still is your father, who is the boy I blame who didn't see to it that you got the necessary home training and decorum you so badly lack. Now scram and dont ever in your life again cross path with me. Mtcheww

gobuchinny:
My man forget that boy. I wont even respond to him again. . The guy na confirm clown.

So much proofs yet no wisdom. So sons of God that God spoke about in Job 38 were who then? Sons of Seth also? A narrative God was giving to Job about happenings before the formation of man or any living thing on earth. GOD was discussing with Job the creation of the earth. How the foundations were laid and how the sons of God rejoiced at such magnificent creation but here we have muttey clown darkening counsel

Your father is the boy who should have given you the necessary home training you obviously lack.

solite3:
are visions not real anymore? .

solite3, but vision is different from reality, is it not. Seeing me in a vision approaching you, doesn't in reality mean I did approach you, solite3. You feel me now, hmm?

solite3:
Where did I suggest that?.

I owe you an apology, I had already made this comment before seeing and liking your post where you distanced yourself from those that believe in that nonsense

solite3:
I never said angels only applied to celestial beings

I was merely building on to what you said solite3 about who angels are

solite3:
This your trying to twist scripture is comical sir!
Read again.

Smh, so you are also like those not used to strong meat, erhn

solite3, have you considered and thought of far Job 38:7 is from Job 1:6 and Job 2:6. Fyi, it is 36-37 more verses away from Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, lol, yeah. Please what creation did you think the verse was talking about there?

solite3:
Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy

Back up and down a verse more, then read contextually, you will see the give away sign that the narrative is talking about after the flood and not the Genesis creation, lol.

solite3:
how is it wrong?

It is wrong to think otherwise that the sons of God weren't ordinary fellow human beings, period.

solite3:
Never was Moses called a son of God neither Aaron. Moses had a calling to lead the Israelites and the only man in earth God speak with face to face (figure of speech)
Aaron was a priest who needed to present himself for cleasing this has tho do with the israelities only and specifically the levitical priesthood. It has no bearing with the Sons of God in Job.

Would you blame Moses, Aaron and the rest of the Israelites for not realising they can become sons of God. Jesus had to reorientate them by telling them to start the Lord's prayer with the words "Our Father who hath in Heaven"

Job was known and called a son of God, wasn't he solite3?, lol.

solite3:
the evidences are there, remaining in ignorance is a choice.

This seem to be, in relation to who the sons of God are, the story of your life.

Some people have a weak stomach, they cant chew strong meat, take it in and hold it down.
They are of the kindergarten sort who live solely on milk diet. Milk and mushy food, that's all they know, thats all they are used to

Imagine pulling face at Job 38:7. If that verse is examined and read contextually would realise who the real clown is
Remember that Job 38:7 is 36-37 more verses away from Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, lol, yeah.

gobuchinny:
I really didnt wanna respond but cant help your ignorance. Pls Google Jewish mythology to clear your ignorance . You only googled myth because you wanted to discredit my sound discuss but everytime you foolishness is made manifest .

If you dont beleive the Angel's impregnating man then how do u beleive a virgin giving birth . How do you beleive in 6 days creation . Can you even create your foolishness in 3 days? Talkless of the whole world . How do you beleive that there r angels and that some fell before man was ever created.

My friend you cannot separate what you beleive from what you dont beleive. Dont pick which is a myth or not. That means christianity is a myth because its steeped in the miraculous which man can never understand .

Study bro and understand. Dont be careless. Alot happened before you or your village existed . Its hidden in books..oooops. That y muttey cant know it

Duh, virgin birth had God's involvement in it, besides there has been a precedent of some sort before the virgin birth anyway. Virgin birth is God here on earth, olodo. Now scram and let sanity be restored to this thread

solite3:
The account of Job chapter 1vv 6 and Job 2vv1 is similar to the visiso of michaiah to Zedekiah.

1 Kings 22:19-21 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

C'mon now solite3, the narrative in 1 Kings 22:19-21 happened in a vision/dream not in reality now

solite3:
Never was it written that God held a council with men or that men presents themslves to God except during the ceremonial cleansing through the priiest in the israel

I am glad you mentioned this. It shows you have the knowledge but you are in denial, so in order to still believe the Jewish myths of angel impregnating and marrying female human beings. Right?

solite3:
So its very likely that the Sons of God in contrast with the sons of men referred to angels except on some rear occasions like the judges in israel.

Angels is used for celestial beings and human beings. It even is used for Jesus Christ too.

solite3:
Secondly, in job 38vv7 while describing the acts of creation, job referred to the angels as sons of God and morning stars who sang to God during the early times of creation.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Wrong, no, Job 38:7, is in reference to the second creation events, meaning, it is about what happened after the flood stopped and receded

solite3:
Thirdly, it will be inconsistent to assume job1vv6 referred to men rather than angels and job 38v7 referred to angels.

In conclusion, looking at the context in job without bias or pretence one could easily see job 1vv6 and 2vv1 a sudden break from the natural world into the heavenly is similar to how visions are told in the old testament. The sons of God in job are not men but angels.

Only one exegesis of a verse in the Book of Job will demolish and collapse like a pack of falling cards this your false interpretation of Job 1:6 and Job 2:1

solite3:
Let me see your reasons to think they are men not angels

"Be ready by the morning, and come up in the morning to Mount Sinai, and present yourself there to Me on the top of the mountain."
- Exodus 34:2

"The Levites purified themselves and washed their clothes, and Aaron presented them as a wave offering before the LORD. Aaron also made atonement for them to cleanse them."
- Numbers 8:21

You will never find any verse in the Bible, that is, in a clear, direct and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, showing the bible saying or said angels presented themselves before God, like as I've shown you with at least the two above example solite3.

gobuchinny:
You are beyond redemption bro . What kind of a child is this lol. How old are you

I am old enough to be your father, yeah thats your old man who born you, are you satisfied now, hmm? Idiota

gobuchinny:
Didnt you see you own post. Concerning gods? Are we talking about gods or the God. Yahweh..the King of glory. The Lord of Spirits. Are we talking about superheroes like superman or spiderman? Ain't we talking of Angel's that excel in strength? Who are ministering Angel's? You clearly dont know what and who you worship .

All these church goer that never study to know this great Yahweh. You think God looks like man? If you behold the glory of God I'm sure it will be a myth to you. Clown.

Any intelligent human reading both our posts can clearly see that you just pick words in isolation so Paul that saw the 3rd heaven isnt it a myth or legend . Isaiah that saw the throne of God isn't it a myth to the gentiles .

Ajuwaya my son. As you were. I need to discuss with intelligent beings. You clearly are lacking in understanding. Please I'm not insulting you bro. Just my honest observation. Paul that said women sud cover their hairs cause of Angel's didnt know what he was saying? You can never explain these scripture brother.

I have tried to educate you but you r stiffnecked... if you can use google to find out defination of myth y didnt ypu google ancient Jewish beliefs in origins of demons and fallen angels .

My hand no dey again for your ignorance ooo. I don wash hand comot. Your blood, your life

@okcornel in done with this clown oo.

I used to google to help you see the stupidity and rass disregard to what the meaning of myths and legends are.

It is a myth to believe that angels impregnated human beings and made wives of them, but your thick and muddled up head doesnt seem capable of understanding anything of that sort.

All you are doing is making conjectures about a Paul fear of angels lusting after female human beings. How you pulled this out of your smelly dark rear end and made this stupid connection is beggars belief

CaveAdullam:
Mbanù, God made reference to the inspired books of Satan when He was compiling His own 66 books but for what exactly?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

You've again, gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick CaveAdullam. It was Peter and Jude who made reference to that satanic and accursed Book of Enoch. The reason why they made reference to it, simply was to denounce it. QED.

CaveAdullam, if that unholy, satanic and accursed Book of Enoch was truly that highly revered, regarded, respected and honoured, why isnt there just a single direct mention of the word "the Book of Enoch" anywhere in the Bible, whether Old Testament or New Testament, erhn?

gobuchinny:
You clearly dont read to understand . I explained y its JEWISH myth and not gentile myth. So apostate jews started deceiving early christains with stories of either their genealogy or stories that they cook up to ensure the gentiles are ensnared to them. Or how they were related to King David by Blood or to Yeshua by blood. This was very common in their days. The circumcision part is just one of the ways they tried to control the gentile christains. Do I have to break things down everytime to you like I'm talking to a 4 yrs old . Cant you read btw d lined

Another one was the common myth that the resurrection had already occurred or that the gentiles could not attain salvation without works of the law. How is it that you dont know this things dear mutteylaff. This discussions are slowing me down cause you r so ignorant of history. Please read more let's have a balanced discuss

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Smh, you have just made it clearer with this your another instalment of worthless, untrue, confused disjointed, absurd and nonsensical talk that you are very dishonest and ignoranus person

gobuchinny, what a ridiculous and funny joke you are. Please stop pretending to know the meaning of myth and/or legend when it is openly obvious that you dont know what their meanings are, smh. This time waster, time stealer and time killer is a kofam total distraction.