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Shepherd00:
You are a witch yet you ask this question? You ought to be killed. Suffer not a witch to live.

PoliticalWitch:
You are lovely

Good evening, and yes, the mods shall hear of your wondorus words to me....

You no doubt are, are lovely too
Good evening, and yes, where I come from, it's embrassing being a snitch

PoliticalWitch:
Why Do Chirstians Like Abusing Non-christians Who Critique Their Faith.?

.... Because if you claim that Chirst has changed you, and yet behave unchristlike, who would be interested in your religion.

(Indeed I have known a Muslim who converted to Christianity, who as a Muslim was almost turned off from Chirstianity because of the abusive nature of many a Christian he met).

So, the next time someone says that 'Jesus did not exist'...use google, glean some facts....and raise your argument. And be respectful. Don't show yourself as a poor advertisment for your religon by being an abusive ignorant boor.

PoliticalWitch:
Well, he did violate rule 3. Whether he was joking or not...that wasn't funny.

Well, you violated rule 8 (i.e. don't post false information on Nairaland)

If this is not just overgeneralization and lazy journalism, then I dont know what else to call it.

1/ Where is the statistics that shows that Christians like abusing non-christians who critique their faith?
2/ Where is the statistics that shows that many Christians resort to abuse and insults instead of doing their research, and arguing properly with facts?
3/ Where is the statistics that shows that many Christians don't know how to defend their faith?

You also violated rule 21 (i.e. please spell words correctly when you post, and try to use perfect grammar and punctuation) Whether you're joking or not...Chirstians or Chirst isn't funny.

tlaret24:
thats why i opened dis thread so that odas wil err their view

... and "err" their views, they without much of any disappointing, they las las surely will do

budaatum:
Worked up over a dumb mut, lol.

I know what to do and what you deserve, when next you repeat and type such a dumb, idiota and ignoranus comment like this

budaatum:
I don't, not really. Just that his opinion is dumb and I'm educating him because I'd rather he not perish. And since he does it all over the place where he easily ignores it, I figured to collect them for him so he can no more avoid himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzALHyJcW-4

Get your fact right. You have now being educated.
Change your groundless opinion of what you thought the MuttleyLaff moniker is all about

wickedtuna:
Lol...i didnt know budaa to be one who gets worked up over people's opinion

"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, and I did not reveal to them My name 'LORD'?"
- Exodus 6:3

The truth wey I tok dere hit home and the ting come pain the ignoranus las las sotay hin cum to dey misfire. wickedtuna, the yadayada is a dish best served back to budaatum, when like that cold, lol. Thats fact and not any opinion.

Fela Abami Ẹda, sings:
♩♪ ♫ ♬"Jen wi temi. Don't Gag Me. Make I tok my own, the truth is bitter. Make I tok my own. I'll open mouth like basket, if I see the truth. I'll tell, you can't shut me up, you cant close my mouth, the truth is bitter, you cant gag me. You havent got a padlock for my mouth. The papa, wey born Fela, don quench dum da dum da dum... Whether you like it or not, just leave me, make I tok my own, I no fit shut up, I no fit keep my mouth close"♫♬♩♪♭

I appear to Tom, to Dick and to Harry as a jolly and happy fellow, but not to most has it been revealed, certainly not budaatum, the reason and story behind why the moniker name MuttleyLaff is used and what does the MuttleyLaff moniker mean.

budaatum in getting all worked up, came up with a groundless opinion that the MuttleyLaff moniker is about a mutt and so ignorantly associated the MuttleyLaff moniker with being a mongrel dog and etcetera, when in fact, it seems budaatum didnt grow up, watch Dick Dastardly and his sidekick, Muttley, known best for his mischievous wheezing laughs.

budaatum, fyi, I registered the MuttleyLaff moniker on Nairaland, because of getting mischievous wheezing laughs reading contents on Nairaland and thanks to you budaatum and others, who religiously make sure, I am never, in short supply of the laughs

budaatum:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/10495646_notable00883_jpeg082803c18b0a7c69816f49db17830725

Why couldnt you budaatum in this case, tried being informed instead of hurriedly having a wrong idea and opinion formed before the fact(s) and/or knowing the truth or meaning of the moniker MuttleyLaff

It is only an ignoranus who will over analyse a moniker ID, get the wrong idea why the moniker is used, so go put a wrong interpretation on it, create a needless, to no purpose thread and begin making unsavoury innuendoes like done on this thread. Smh.

Muttley one of my fav fictional cartoon characters is known best for its mischievous, wheezing laughter
Since I at times, laugh like Muttley, the MuttleyLaff handle, which is a merger of Muttley and the Laugh (i.e. Laff) just seemed appropriate for me to pick. I do the Muttley laugh quite often when reading lame threads and posts like this I've just responded to

[img]https://s3/images/yadayadaKor.jpg[/img]
Clasping and squeezing hands, I pulled a chair, plonked my shapely petite bumbum into it and begun looking forward to start, enjoying to read what looked like its going to be a post/thread characterized by replies with witty comments, providing useful and interesting information, only for it to suddenly nose dive, go further south into yadayada pollution from it's apparently but not really good start. Smh.

EmperorHarry:
Lol!

Yeah, like as if with a shrug, saying, I dunno, but y'all watch this space.

EmperorHarry:
Lmao..Was about saying this but you've already done that.
Muttleylaff please tell you find it hilarious that jesusjnr is actually acknowledging Kanye, just like Olaadegbu has done even tho he's pretty much an uncertified source for reference. I mean I'm all for Kanye's new found faith in God (whatever rocks his boat) and all but don't you think peeps shouldn't be swayed into irrationality just cos it all seems too good to be true?..Cos it seems to me that folks would eat up whatever Kanye says/does cos he dropped a Gospel album..Lol.

Please dont take the fake prophet any serious.
Why doesnt the self-proclaimed prophet acknowledge that Kanye said, stop disrespecting gay people, because they're human beings just like everybody else, erhn?

budaatum:
... it’s not like he’s planning to run for president in 2024 or anything.

When Kanye was asked whether the presidency is in the pipeline or in his sight, he smiled and kept mute, without answering the question. lol

CaveAdullam:
so can you please lecture us on this tithing?

Phenomenalola:
On biblical records Cain was the first man to kill a man. It is wrong for a man to kill another. Cain was ignorant of the rule and he asked for clemency and was given.
Lamech killed a man and was aware of the rule not to kill. He wont enjoy clemency(gen 4:24).
After the flood man was instructed not to kill another(gen 9:5)
In the proces of time, abraham and his servants killed men. They were guilty of the crime of murder. Abraham was unaware that a righteous man cant kil unrighteous men. To save him, a high priest was sent to become his scapegoat. Tithes was the medium of passing the sin of murder to priests. After that incident abraham never killed again. Isaac and jacob inherited the knowledge and they didnt kill anyone.
Two children of jacob killed men irrespective of the knowledge. Jacob cursed them. They cant be forgiven and tithes cant save them.
The law of Moses advocates righteous men to kil unrighteous

That is not the answer. Please tell why other part of humanity did not have to tithe but the Israelites had to. Thank you.

blueAgent:
From the Bible verse we can see that Jesus was referring to been born by God, because in that same verse he clarified that he was also sent by God eliminating any possibility of the word Exerchomai - "exēlthan" meaning to go forth or proceed as you assume.

Greek/Hebrew Definitions
Strong's #1831: exerchomai (pronounced ex-er'-khom-
ahee)
from 1537 and 2064; to issue (literally or figuratively):--
come (forth, out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go
(abroad, away, forth, out, thence), proceed (forth), spread
abroad.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
exerchomai
1) to go or come forth of
1a) with mention of the place out of which one goes, or
the point from which he departs
1a1) of those who leave a place of their own accord
1a2) of those who are expelled or cast out
2) metaphorically
2a) to go out of an assembly, i.e. forsake it
2b) to come forth from physically, arise from, to be born
of
2c) to go forth from one' s power, escape from it in
safety
2d) to come forth (from privacy) into the world, before the
public, (of those who by novelty of opinion attract
attention)
2e) of things
2e1) of reports, rumours, messages, precepts
2e2) to be made known, declared
2e3) to be spread, to be proclaimed
2e4) to come forth
2e4a) emitted as from the heart or the mouth
2e4b) to flow forth from the body
2e4c) to emanate, issue
2e4c1) used of a sudden flash of lightning
2e4c2) used of a thing vanishing
2e4c3) used of a hope which has disappeared
Part of Speech: verb
Relation: from G1537 and G2064
Citing in TDNT: 2:678, 257
Usage:
This word is used 224 times:

okosunehis:
It would have been awesome if the Bible could actually interpret itself! Even when Christ spoke, he often had to explain and expatiate privately to his twelve. That is why one must look at scriptural words very carefully and compare to other references before arriving at a conclusion.

I believe we both agree that God the Father gave life to (born or created) Jesus the Son. You have gone further to contend that Christ literally came out of his Father JEHOVAH. The point I am making is that though your description of the manner of the creation of the Son is plausible and glorious, the Greek word "exerchomai" which you used to back your position does not arrive at that conclusion.

Both Strong's and Thayer's definitions agree that "exerchomai" can be used literally and figuratively. Layer's Greek Lexicon further states that "exerchomai" only refers to creation or being born of, when used metaphorically. That is Layer's assumption, not mine!

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
exerchomai
1) to go or come forth of
1a) with mention of the place out of which one goes, or the point from which he departs
1a1) of those who leave a place of their own accord
1a2) of those who are expelled or cast out
2) metaphorically
2a) to go out of an assembly, i.e. forsake it
2b) to come forth from physically, arise from, to be born of
2c) to go forth from one' s power, escape from it in safety

To buttress this point, I provided John 13:3 and 16:28;

John 13:3 (NIV) - Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;

John 16:28 (NIV) - I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father."

Both verses left out whether Jesus was sent by God or not. The pattern of the message is the same; Christ "came forth" from God and was returning to God. My argument then was that if "exerchomai" is to literally mean Christ emerging from the very body of God, would it then mean he was returning to the body of God? If anything, that would be mean that in heaven, Christ shares the same body with Father. We must not confuse different bodies sharing similar characteristics for different persons sharing the same body.

Also remember that in John 16(vs 29), even the disciples agreed that on this occasion, Christ was not speaking figuratively. That is why my conclusion is that "exerchomai", used in this text and by contemporary English, would be "being with or in the company" of somebody. The Word, who was with God, came to this world, and would be returning to be with God. Unlike your understanding of "exerchomai", this application is consistent with most of the other 218 times that it is used in the Bible.

I also used 1st John 2:19 to explain that one can "go forth, or out of" another and not be a messenger of the latter.

I really don't get why it is difficult for you to concur that Christ is an angel of God. The word "angel" from the Hebrew "malak" and the Greek "angelos" simply means a messenger. It is mostly used to describe supernatural heavenly beings but can also refer to human messengers.

As much as I totally agree that Jesus the Son is God, meaning he is "Almighty", that he is born of God Father and was created in the very nature of God, I cannot categorically arrive at your conclusions from the Bible. My argument is not that it is not possible, but that it is not conclusive from available scripture.

MuttleyLaff:
"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

"Exerchomai" is the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from Jesus proceeded forth and came from.

blueAgent & okosunehis, Jesus Christ is God and even god sef, just as I've earlier said and especially if that's how or a way Hairyrapunzel understands to put it.

No, I am not blueAgent & okosunehis, implying that Jesus and God are the same entity, but I am emphatically saying that Jesus and God are the same entity.

blueAgent & okosunehisit , listen and watch this. I put on different attire colours to reflect my mood and image I am trying to project across. I could put on a red dress to make a statement that I am fiery, vibrant and lively. The colours are not me, they are images reflecting certain aspects of me. It's the same with God, the maleness and femaleness is not God, they are just constructs made in the image of God. God really isnt male nor female

We all know what kind of image one is projecting when wearing black colours, it could be for mourning or for trying to look sexy

The "the only begotten" means the only person uniquely gotten this way. The phrase has nothing to do with God biologically giving birth to Jesus, as a mother, like women do.

blueAgent & okosunehis, God is formless. God is a Spirit, and so has no form. God however does have masculine and feminine distinctive personalities plus characteristics associated with man and woman

Before either of youse step and slip on my "God is formless" banana skin comment, let me make myself clearer with the comment, by adding to it, that God is shapeless and formless like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. When you pour water into a drum, it becomes the drum of water. That is why when Moses asked God who should he say sent him, if asked by the Israelites, God said to him, say, I AM I AM sent you.

I AM I AM, in that narrative, means I shall be that I shall be, also means whatever it is necessary for God to be, that, God will be. God willl be a pillar of cloud in the day and become a pillar of fire to give them light at night. God is formless, yet God can take on any form. I know it sounds like an oxymoron thing to say it that way, but God, though truly is formless, can manifest Himself in any form, just as in that Nebucadnezzer fiery furnace and etcetera

Think of God, this way, H₂0, sent itself into the world. H₂0 caused and allowed itself to be visible as solid ice.

Christ cannot share the same body with God the Father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God

Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to.
Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son

blueAgent & okosunehis, God can send Himself, did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ. God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him.

Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God looked for someone who could build walls or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself to carry out the redemptive work.

This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying about "begotten" The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene" "Monogene", means, one and only or better still, one of a kind

Now the word "monogene", is a combination of the root words: "mono" (one or only) and "genos" (of a class or kind) hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" in the context means "the only of its kind"

Now, "monogene" occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac, and that is where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an older son, Ishmael

Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son. Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own, this miracle never again has been repeated)

To just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

Jesus, is the last Adam, and second man. The first man Adam became a living soul, whereas, Jesus, the last Adam, became a life-giving spirit

The first man, Adam, is of the earth, earthy, came from earth; while the second man, Jesus Christ is from heaven, came from heaven. Alleluia.

"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge,
and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none
(i.e. I looked for someone who might rebuild the wall of righteousness that guards the land.
I searched for someone to stand in the gap in the wall so I wouldn’t have to destroy the land, but I found no one.)"
- Ezekiel 22:30

"He saw that there was no man—He was amazed that there was no one—to intercede;
so His own arm brought salvation, and His own righteousness sustained Him."
- Isaiah 59:16

"I was amazed to see that no one intervened to help the oppressed.
So I myself stepped in to save them with my strong arm, and my wrath sustained me
(i.e. I looked, but there was no one to help; I was shocked because there was no one offering support.
So my right arm accomplished deliverance or achieved salvation for me, my raging anger drove me on)"
- Isaiah 63:5

blueAgent & okosunehis, you must have quite a lot of times, heard the saying that "If you want something done right, do it yourself", well none, nobody, no angel out of the whole angelic hosts of heaven, nor no man out of the whole world wide, offered to accept the challenge to help man get returned back to man's original status before the fall, so God resorted to DIY

blueAgent & okosunehis, you know that Christ, means Saviour, right?. So if you do, how then do suppose God will be able to pull this off this God's redemptive work, if Christ isnt God and man, hmm? Give this some thought blueAgent & okosunehis

"Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the LORD of hosts."
Malachi 3:1

Of course, Jesus is an angel, Malachi 3:1 confirms Him being a Messenger. This is God sending Himself on an errand. Alleluia.

solite3:
Nope we do not Split God but rather we follow the evidence in the bible wherever it leads.
When Jesus commision his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit He surely wasnt Spliting God, but establishing the fact of the involvement of the whole persons in the Salvation of man.
God bless

That text of Matthew 28:19 was changed to give it the triune formula, and as a matter of fact, the correct reading of Matthew 28:19, should appear as seen read in Luke 24:47

JMAN05:
I dont see how what you wrote above is following the evidence where it leads.

Involvement in salvation does not make them one in essence. If two persons are involved in accomplishing a task, does that necessary make them equal in everything

True, God and Jesus are of a divine nature, but they aren't the only ones with such nature, even the apostles when in heaven will have that nature. However, God's nature is superior in that He has always had immorality. Jesus hasn't. Jesus got immortality after his resurrection. I don't understand this insistent in Trinity when the Bible keep kicking against it.

How can you say that the Son is omniscient when he does not know when the end will come. Even the holy spirit does not know. Nawa to u guys!

JMAN05, there are some things that GMB doesnt know about the course of Naija but if asked as PMB he will give you a definite answer. GMB and PMB are one and the same person, but operating in different capacities

The Son is always subjected to the Father and so will never upstage the Father. The Son, in terms of knowing when the end will come, will never divert this attention from the Father towards Himself, that will be an unrighteousness thing to be found in Jesus JMAN05.

blueAgent:
... considering the fact that Angels are also called Sons of God.

It is best for us to allow the Bible to interpret itself, leave it to say exactly what it says and put our own interpretation

The question is are angels called sons of God by God or in the Bible?

What are your facts and evidence, that in a clear, direct and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, saying fallen angels or angels are sons of God, hmm?

I am still wondering which Bible verse specifically says that angels are sons of God, because you will never find any verse in the Bible, that is, in a clear, direct and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, showing the bible saying or said angels presented themselves before God, or that angels are sons of God.

generationz:
They always show their true colours when they become pastors. Just wait and see. Kanye has something up his sleeves. When the bubble bursts, I'll tag you and that Satan worshipper jesusjnr

Na for hause, sette dey wait for bumbum make hin return, come siddon. When you're ready to publicly admit this error, I'll still be here, will be around, waiting, lol.

generationz:
God doesn't ordain every pastor.

You got that right, remember I earlier said, it is God who makes one a pastor, not they, not they or any other person having intention to ordain Kanye

budaatum:
Of course, Kanye’s massive IRS refund has absolutely nothing to do with God. Rather, he’s simply reaping the benefits of the massive tax break bestowed upon the ultra-wealthy by his good friend Donald Trump. It also helps that he now finds himself at the head of a church likely exempt from paying taxes.

But we forgive Kanye for not fully grasping America’s tax policy… it’s not like he’s planning to run for president in 2024 or anything.

Watch this space, lol

generationz:
You shall be exposed you bloody satan worshipper.

Satanists encourage each other to make a graven image and/or picture of God

generationz:
Does he still refer to himself as Ye?

Why should he stop referring to himself as ye

generationz:
Has he denounced that name and asked everything the stands with it asking God for mercy and apologising to Christians publicly?

No he hasnt, why should he. Repeated calling himself ye, in an interview before the James Corden one.

generationz:
That name is an insult to God just like HOV by Jayz which is a short form of Jehovah

How is it an insult to God. Explain please, if you really know what you're talking off

generationz:
I pity those who are falling for Kanye's deceit.

I pity those with little faith in Kanye's

generationz:
Kanye is a showman and is putting up a spectacle for you guys. Plus, nigga is bipolar.

Putting up a spectacle for Christ. A showman and bipolar, he is not ashamed to be. God is using Kanye to show off. Alleluia

generationz:
Christians are so not sure of their identity they will just a vet anything and everything.

What have you been hearing from Christians, they will be the first one to judge Kanye, make him feel like he is not loved and that nobody loves him.
Channel your energy towards praying for him please

generationz:
Watch, soon, they will ordain him a pastor. Then the real gbege will start.

It is God who makes one a pastor not they, having intention to ordain

We need a Naija own Kanye West ...

nairalandposter:
You've been reading those wife is cheating on matrimonial bed topics?

What a typical Nairalander aggravating and off-topic comment to make

onukwubesunday:
Please I want to inquire from the house, if it is right to have a family alter for prayers in couples bedroom.

Whatever floats your boat. Whatever works best for you.

Sheunma:
Do you know that the language of judgement day is Arabic?

Better learn Arabic while still here so you wouldnt have difficulty understanding the proceedings on that great day.

If you have an advocate, lawyer in the person of Jesus to represent you and plead your case for you then you dont necessarily need to understanding the proceedings on that great day

solite3:
Cc Barrister

"But to all who believed Him and accepted Him, He gave the right to become children of God"
(i.e. but as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name)
- John 1:12

John 1:12 above, is the answer to the long and short of your "Are We All God's Children?" question, solite3.

solite3, I am 110% quite sure, you know that, some, even after death when they, live and direct, come face to face with Jesus, will still defiantly refuse to accept, receive and believe Jesus Christ, hmmm? That they will rather go to hell than to accept, receive and believe Jesus Christ, hmm?

nairalandposter:
No personal attacks and no patronizing, why are you unable to stick to topic? In addition, why do you think voicing your rude opinion is more important than sticking to the issue being discussed?

See my previous comment.

Instead of contributing anything worthwhile to the topic, your focus is on myself.

Do you see a problem? Or you don't think it's one?

Please repeat here, word for word, where and when MuttleyLaff had personally attacked you and patronised you.

Repeat here and show how my comment did not stick to topic.

Explain how my comment is rude and was not related to the thread's. "When Is It Ok To Break Protocol In The Church?" question.

I am increasingly begining to think its you who has a problem, looking for a problem that isnt in the first place there.

nairalandposter:
Muttleylaff I would like your opinion on this.

"What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world."
- James 1:27

I dont have an opinion on "is your religion about God or the person reaching", because I deal in facts and the fact about that question is found in James 1:27 shown above

Why dont you look up James 1:27 too yourself and then paste here in as many translations you fancy, for all to see and read, what James 1:27, says about religion please, hmm nairalandposter? Let's find out and know what religion is, as in, find out and know what is religion that is true, pure and without any fault whatsoever nairalandposter. Go ahead please, let's have some research from the Bible thats talked about this particular and specified religion, erhn?

enilove:
Tithe is meant for the house of God and not for a Pastor

What and where specifically is the house of God please?

ayomilore:
Please i recently made a vow to God to take my tithe to 15% once i'm confirmed and get a pay raise in my place of work.
I have been giving my tithe for the past 7 months to this Pastor who is like my personal pastor but doesn't have a church yet,
i intend keep giving him the 10% of the new salary while the remaining 5% will go to the church where i worship every Sunday.
I hope i am making the right decision?

MuttleyLaff:
You are not to pay tithe at all for the following 10 reasons
1.) You are not a Jew or an Israelite, who was commanded by God to pay tithe from cultivating crops or breeding and raising livestock (e.g. cows and/or lambs) in the Promised Land
2.) The tithe commanded by God was meant to be given ONLY in Israel, meant to be paid ONLY in Israel and meant to be received ONLY in Israel
3.) The methodolody used for paying or selecting the tithe, was to hand-pick for tithe, the tenth livestock (e.g. cows, lambs) that passes under the rod
4.) The implication of #3 above, is that if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or 9 lambs, then you dont pay tithe for that year
5.) Tithe were received in Jerusalem and for convenience stored up in a number of Levitical cities scattered all over Israel
6.) Where an Israelite is supposed to pay tithe on sales, is when ONLY buying back the tithe, (i.e. buying back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops)
-there however, is a warning that the Israelite pays the going rate or value of the bought back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops tithe, plus 20 percent.
7.) The bible is a book of divisions, where some parts, like tithe part, was meant for and talking exclusively to the Israelites and no else
8.) The common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Israelites tithings) is a high priest or Levite physically receiving the tithe
9.) The implication of #8 above, is that a pastor is neither a high priest or Levite, hence has no business receiving tithe nor have any jurisdiction over tithe.
10.) Tithe was an obligatory and mandatory giving command made to the Israelite
Contributions which are voluntary and optional is the sort of giving expected from a believer(s)
It is what a believer decides in the heart and is comfortable with to give that God expects
Also believers shouldn't be sorry that they have given or feel forced in response to pressure to give

There is nothing like taking tithe beyond 10%. If no one will tell you the truth I will

If at all you want to do the tithe game, then tithe, is ten percent, period. Nothing more than 10%. Nothing less than 10%

nairalandposter:
Using the word kafir on a Christian thread, explain yourself.

Your wish is my command.

Kafir is an Arabic term meaning "infidel", "rejector", "disbeliever", "unbeliever", "nonbeliever".
The term refers to a person who rejects or disbelieves in God.


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Are you happy now nairalandposter?
Digging up a 7:28pm On Apr 30, 2015 over 4 years old comment. Smh

nairalandposter:
No personal attacks, face the topic.

"No personal attacks"? Bless your delusional heart

nairalandposter:
Another aggravating thing about nlers.

Please lighten up, just enjoy life, smile more, laugh more, and don't get so worked up over a jolly MuttleyLaff harmless comment

Janosky:
***Monogenes 4:737,606****"
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech mon-og-en-ace' Adjective

Definition
single of its kind, only, used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
King James Word Usage - Total: 9
only begotten 6, only 2, only child 1"

Janosky:
** Muttleylaff=" why Isaac is referred to as Abraham's only begotten son, inspite of having an elder brother Ishmael?"

Because Isaac is the ONLY CHILD and the First legitimate born of his Father who receive the privilege that was NEVER given to Ishmael or other children of Abraham. (Heb11:17. Likewise ,king David was begotten among the sons of Jesse. Psalm 89:20,27. Likewise, Jesus Christ among other sons of God. John 3:16).

** Muttleylaff=
*1)
"Christ is an one-off and "the only begotten Son" means Jesus Christ is the one and only human being thats come to into existence this way.
*11)
The "the only begotten Son" phrase has nothing to do with God biologically giving birth to Jesus,"

Muttleylaff *1) & *11) some what CONTRADICTs.
** John3:16 " God gave his only begotten son" , (NO CONNECTION TO Jesus human birth by Mary). Romans 8:3.John17:1-3,24.
In other words, God gave the only son HE HAS BEGOTTEN with glory before the founding of the world.
God gave "the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:15 (KJV).

****FACT:
Greek monogenes (begotten) does NOT exist outside the context of Father and son relationship. In other words, you can Never be "ONLY BEGOTTEN" when you are not the TRUE SON of your Father.

You MUST be Son in the strict sense of the word "SON", before you can be "only begotten" with privileges attached to your "only begotten" status .
Jesus Christ says He is God's Son in the spiritual realm. Rev 3:5,12-14,21.
I stand with Jesus and believe what He says in Rev 3:5,12-14,21.

MuttleyLaff:
Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to.
Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son

God can send Himself, did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ
Janosky, God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time)
Note Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God"

Christ is the visible image of the invisible God
What other logical way, effective, reasonable, legal and conventional means, did you expect God to send Himself to earth hmm? If not to be born like every other human being is born into earth

God was not and never was in harm's way, He couldnt handle
Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself
Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did.
This is a matter of the classsic DIY aka Do-It-Yourself.

God looked for someone who could build walls
or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one
and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself to carry out the redemptive work.

This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying about "begotten"
The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene"
"monogene", means, one and only or better still, one of a kind

Now the word "monogene", is a combination of the root words:
"mono" (one or only) and "genos" (of a class or kind)
hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" in the context means "the only of its kind"

Now, "monogene" occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac,
and that is where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an older son, Ishmael

Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son. Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own, this miracle never again has been repeated)

To just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

Jesus, is the last Adam, and second man. The first man Adam became a living soul, whereas, Jesus, the last Adam, became a life-giving spirit

The first man, Adam, is of the earth, earthy, came from earth; while the second man, Jesus Christ is from heaven, came from heaven. Alleluia.

There is no contradictions Janosky. I hope that after you've seriously, unhurriedly and carefully have gone over my quoted comment immediately above reproduced here, as it was taken from another thread and my following added comment below, you find there was no contradiction(s)

Janosky, John 3:16, that I previously on this thread quoted originally was written in Greek, hence why "monogene" is used for uniqueness
The uniqueness of Isaac, originally was written in Hebrew, and so why the Greek "monogene" was not used for where the uniqueness of Isaac is mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament

The birth of Isaac, nonetheless, is unique, one of a kind and as promised. It is "monogene"
The birth of Jesus as well, equally is unique, one of a kind and as promised too. It too, in its own right, is "monogene" as well

The birth of Jesus is unique and one of a kind,
because God, became God, the Father, after physically projecting Himself to earth, as God, the Son, whom Jesus Christ is

Janosky, just like you do, I too, stand with Jesus and believe what He says in Revelation 3:5,12-14 and 21, but let me ask you a simple easy, direct and straighforward question erhn Janosky?

If God is infinite, if God is non spatial and if God is without a clear shape or definite structure, as in meaning, if God, has no outward form or distinctive appearance, how do you expect to recognise God and benefit from the blessings in Revelation 3:5,12-14 and 21?

nairalandposter:
[s]I think your post is meant for the other fellow.[/s]
Not sure why some of you keep jumping on me. Its aggravating.
I really dont like complaining about Nigerians
but if I keep quiet all the time, you wont know your behaviours are bad.

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Are you always this nervous
and unable to relax, erhn? Smh.

nairalandposter:
The person breaking protocol could be your most trusted and admired role model, dont assume it's the person you dont like.

And which part of Jesus came as a ransom for many is not in your bible?

The person breaking protocol could be your enemy, friend or frenemy coming to save your life because of an earthquake, fire outbreak, flooding or other dangers/disaster

ichuka:
Luke1:35
And the angel answered and said to her,
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

King James Bible
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The above verses stated the 'Holy Thing/One' shall be called the Son of God. Meaning it was what was in Mary that was Holy!! Excluding Mary.
In John 1:14 it says the Word became flesh. meaning the Word became flesh in Her. No mixture of blood or flesh
Christ was unique.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
- John 3:16

"By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:
and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son"
- Hebrews 11:17

ichuka, you proposed John 1:14, that says, the Word became flesh, meaning the Word became flesh in Mary and that no mixture of blood or flesh. OK, ichuka nwanne, lets with the begotten Son in John 3:16 and the begotten son in Hebrews 11:17, break all this matter nicely down together, hmm?

ichuka, Christ is unique, actually means Christ is an one-off and "the only begotten Son" means Jesus Christ is the one and only human being thats come to into existence this way. The "the only begotten Son" phrase has nothing to do with God biologically giving birth to Jesus, as a mother does, like we have women do, but means this is an exclusive, Jesus is the only brought into being in a very unusual or remarkable manner.

ichuka, now, let's shift attention to Hebrews 11:17. ichuka, Abraham already has had Ishmael, thirteen years earlier than Isaac, so why is the Bible calling Isaac Abraham's only begotten son. The reason is because Jesus and Isaac share the uniqueness strand.

Isaac's coming into being and birthed just like Jesus' birth, is out of the ordinary. Isaac is the product of an impotent father and a menopause mother. In reality and even in theory, it is impossicant that an impotent father and a menopause mother would possibly give birth to a child, but Abraham and Sarah's case is different, and so how their child Isaac, the son of promise, birth circumstance is unique, and why Isaac is referred to as Abraham's only begotten son, inspite of having an elder brother Ishmael.

Jesus coming into being and birthed without an involvement of any earthly father in His birth equation, but only God's, is what qualified Him to be called the "the only begotten Son" of God. The sort or type of birth is not just only in a class by itself, but is unrepeatable, meaning, not to be done or seen again.

ichuka, you're correct in saying no mixture of blood or flesh, because firstly, all babies get their blood from their father, not their mother, but Jesus' birth, remember has no earthly father involvement. Now secondly, the mother’s blood never mingles with that of the fetus, because one of the placenta's jobs is to make sure blood from the mother and fetus never mixes. Jesus' blood is a unique blood, it is a God breathed AB+ve, universal blood type. Alleulia!

Martinez39:
Thehumanlloydl said miracles are natural phenomena and he made his point by showing that the splitting of the red sea has a physical explanation. I then asked him to support his stance using the list I gave him. This was actually between me and Thehumanlloydl but since you supported him, I had to put the question to you.

MuttleyLaff:
What we perceive as miracles on earth, are actually rules, principles and/or laws of heaven. It's when a miracle is constantly repeated or perfected, that it becomes a process of nature, a normal state of affairs on earth. Magic, on the other hand, historically often had pejorative connotations, specifically negative connotations to apply to rites that were regarded as fraudulent, unconventional, and dangerous. Magic, is the art of producing illusions as entertainment by the use of sleight of hand, deceptive devices

Let's take a look at a perceived miracle, the Thames Tunnel, is the world's first man-made underground tunnel under a river built. It was used by pedestrians, was a shopping arcade and became a tourist attraction. Experts back then, thought that an underground tunnel underneath a navigable river is impracticable, and so, it was classed a miracle then and after, this tunnel was successfully constructed by Sir Marc Isambard Brunel. Whats the point made here? The point is that, tunnels under rivers, are now ten a penny, and so thereby their constructions arent seen to be miracles anymore. It has become a norm.

It has to be within the rules though before God can do beyond what our mind can conceive, besides we all know and agree that "let Thy will be done" takes precedence here nau.

Thought to bring the above quote back to your remembrance Martinez39

You've previously on this thread have being given a high-level overview and example of what the miraculous or miracle is. Wetin remain you want now ogbeni, hmm?

You do know those phenomena were defying physical laws, don't you Martinez39, huh?
If you do, then why Martinez39, are you asking for a physical or natural explanation(s) of them, hmm?
Fyi, Martinez39, each of those phenomena were something done, made, performed and/or happened only once.