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budaatum:
If that verse "was written to Christians", why are you reading it? Are you a Christian now 39?

If "being a Christian is a prerequisite for keying into that verse" 39, why do you, a non-Christian, think you can key into that verse?

You calling me "deceitful" 39? At least its milder than what you've called me in the past I suppose, but I would say it is self deceit to you 39. Remember, my beans is not your beans so I do not expect you to understand how the "Muslims, Atheists, Traditionalists, Buddhists and Hindus" doctors and wonderful caring people who healed me were all elders of my church as spoken about in James 5:14-15.

Beans, 39! "Services of modern medicine are not the oil" to you!

What bearing does "seek first the knowledge of God and righteousness and understanding and wisdom and all other things will be added unto you", dish out a concise and clear way to tackle illness?

I explained it to you in my initial response 39, but going by your response to mine you obviously lack the "prerequisite for keying" in, as you have clearly shown and would insist your own beans is everyone's beans, as you usually do!

Every bearing, some would say. I lost 30kg from my top weight of 82kg and was very close to deaths door so it even was a concise and clear way to tackle even death!

For anyone wondering how my beans is not 39's beans, please see here and here and here.

budaatum:
Those ignorant of the power of herbs call it vegetable.

"Ni ile aiye, ki Ọlọrun ma jẹ ka, roogun, aiye sha. We no go jam agbako. Aiye dun, ju iya, oshi, ose ati iku lọ" loosely means
"In this life, make God no allow village pipul be on our mata. Winches no go be our portion. Life sweet pass, sufferhead, poverty, misery, affliction and death"

alBHAGDADI:
The scribes were teachers who wore long robes. He said we should beware of them. Jesus said we should beware of teachers who wear long robe.

Jesus was a teacher himself. According to you, we are to beware of him because you insinuate he wore long robe too.

Why were the scribes fond of wearing long robes then, hmm?

alBHAGDADI:
How are you to know a scribe full of evil? Is it not by the long robe? If Jesus shows up wearing long robe, he would be a hypocrite condemning others for doing same. You think Jesus didn't know what he was talking about when he specifically mentioned long robes? If he was just talking about their evil, he won't have had any need to include their dress code. But he knows their dress also plays a role in part of why they are evil.

You see politicians with security and pastor with security. How do you know which isn't evil? The security shows they are evil.

Jesus included their dress code to address the motive for and behind why they dress in flowing "babaringa" like robes

alBHAGDADI:
That's why the Bible never mentioned Jesus putting on robe by himself, because he had to be different from the scribes.

OK, Mr Smartypants, even if the Bible never mentioned Jesus putting on robe by himself, the Bible at least mentions that without shrugging it off, Jesus obediently let them put on Him a robe naah. No be so, hmm?

Bhorbymills1990:
Yes Jesus was a teacher and he wore Garment and not Robe ... That's why he said we should beware of the teachers who wear long robe .... Don't forget there is a slight difference between Garments and Robes ...

Jesus on different occasions, is recorded in the Bible to have worn either garment or robe.

Bhorbymills1990:
Jesus wore Garment not Robe .... Take note of the slight difference between them

Jesus wore both. Let me give you a chance to shine like a star and be a hero. Whats the difference between a garment and robe? Of course if you know, you'll easily and correctly know the difference, even pinpoint the different occasions, when and where Jesus wore garment and robe, lol.

alBHAGDADI:
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So, why were women told to stay away from men's clothing?

Because of MENstruation

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment:
for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
- Deuteronomy 22:5

"alBHAGDADI is my very good customer. We have regular transactions together. The most recent one, I have asked alBHAGDADI many times over, to please and kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, that's if at all if he really does know, to soon explain to us, the reason behind why, in the Bible, God said cross dressing is an abomination to Him and that women should abstain from wearing what belongs to men, likewise men what belongs to women, but this request seems to be hard and difficult for him to deliver and give answers to"
- Re: Daddy Freeze Hails Pastor Abel Damina For Saying Women Can Wear Trousers by MuttleyLaff: 3:41pm On Apr 09

Women, in Deuteronomy 22:5, were told to stay away from men's clothing and vice versa only because of the idolatrous practices associated with cross dressing, that is meaning, men wearing women’s clothing, and vice versa as part of carrying out an idolatrous rite.

Deuteronomy 22:5, is about the idolatory pagan ritual custom that cross dressing is associated with. That's the underlying reason of concern to God about cross dressing. It is the association with idolatry practices and pagan ritualistics done when and with wearing clothes of the opposite sex that is detesting to God. alBHAGDADI you couldnt answer that question when I previously asked you, why God detests it, but now you know better and we thank God for that. So, alBHAGDADI, that is the reason, the why and what God dislikes and says its an abomination, period. OK? Any other twisting and turning by you naa wash ojaare.

alBHAGDADI you already know me that I dont venture into subjects I havent a watertight understanding of and this how I easily can show you verses in 2 Kings and Zephaniah that explains Deuteronomy 22:5 has to do with cross dressing associated idolatrous practices and/or rites, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
"... guys, you dont seem to know nwanne, my customer mi, daada ni, nwanne alBHAGDADI.

Let me introduce you to who alBHAGDADI is and what he stands for. He is a certified and bonafide pharisaical, intolerant, bigoted, narrow-minded, small-minded tithe merchant who validates, spreads and promotes obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing and by cherry picking, would with great effort or energy, say and do anything or something to have legal right or a just claim to receive or have something to do with the sense of entitlement to obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing. All this, his posts upandan the forum, about old testament laws being valid etcetera, is a ruse, a ruse for tithing, an exercise in smoke and mirrors for me.

He is my very good customer. We have regular transactions together. The most recent one, I have asked him many times over, to please and kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, that's if at all if he really does know, to soon explain to us, the reason behind why, in the Bible, God said cross dressing is an abomination to Him and that women should abstain from wearing what belongs to men, likewise men what belongs to women, but this request seems to be hard and difficult for him to deliver and give answers to"
- Re: Daddy Freeze Hails Pastor Abel Damina For Saying Women Can Wear Trousers by MuttleyLaff: 3:41pm On Apr 09

When in relation to obligatory or imposed ecclesiastial monitised tithing, this my dear nwanne man is beyond hope/redemption and just so incorrigible. You can see from the above inverted commas quote, how much of a fundamentalist alBHAGDADI is, if it isnt about women wearing what belongs to men or vice versa, it is going to be a non existent law against homosexuality. The truth and fact is that tithing, it isnt a matter of fading away, but it is dead, nailed away on the cross, but somebody like alBHAGDADI, has this so much unhealthy sense of entitlement to tithing, that he is hellbent on having it resurrected

""If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years;
but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment."
- Exodus 21:2

"If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do."
- Exodus 21:7

"⁴⁴‘As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you.
⁴⁵‘Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession.
⁴⁶‘You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves"
- Leviticus 25:44-46a

alBHAGDADI watch this, since the scriptures Exodus 21:2 and Exodus 21:7 above, are from God, is it OK for us, to sell our daughters as slaves? huh? Or from Leviticus 25:44-46a above, is it OK to acquire male and female slaves, even give as a gift to our sons after us, hmm? Own goal issa goal. Can you now see alBHAGDADI, how much you stubbornly, still believe, in the Dark Ages instead of Light?

Dicktionary:
I am not Flabagasted it is still this Op with a Nomenclature of a wanted Terrorist. Always writing Jargon and Sh!ttious things. Smh

midnighter:
Shouldnt you be saying "Jesus never wore a gown"
Of course Jesus must have worn a robe now, that was the attire as of that time.
dem never show you Bible movie for sunday school
By the way Al-Baghdadi was blown to smithereens early this morning, maybe you should choose another moniker

AngeloPrice:
What a load of crap. Stop writing rubbish Mr terrorist

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I wouldnt waste my precious time on alBHAGDADI, besides alBHAGDADI is a tool in the hands of the god of Nairaland, who kerching laughs all the way to the bank at alBHAGDADI's expense

Martinez39:
Whether or not being a Christian is a prerequisite for keying into that verse, we know that, at least, it was written to Christians and that verse exists

It was written to specifically to some certain unbelievers, however it is free for anyone who finds it alluring enough and wants to key into the substance and life of the verse to thereafter then take advantage of it
(Note edited out un from unbelievers. Excuse my misspeak)

Martinez39:
How did you come about this interpretation if not self deceit?

No! No, dear nwanne friend, coming about the interpretation has nothing to do with self deceit, but a lot to do with the stuff psyching is made up from.

Martinez39, I pray make una no sabi "agbako" because things dey for this obodo life ooo and thats why you'll find out that desperate times do calls for desperate measures. People, during adversity, go for actions that seem to be the extreme under normal circumstances, but the reality is they arent dealing with normal circumstances nau.

Martinez39:
Among doctors are Muslims, Atheists, Traditionalists, Buddhists and Hindus (for those that would travel out due to the ineptitude of Nigerian doctors and lack of infrastructures). The same applies to the caring people around us. Are Muslims, Atheists, Traditionalists, Buddhists and Hindus elders of the church?

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So? So what?
Martinez39, you seem to not grasp what the meat part James 5:14-15 is from and is about. If you contextually had read James 5:14-15, you would have easily found out that the meat part was putting forward a plan for consideration to others, that was in how to have patience in suffering and as a result of that suggested the prayer of faith, all this towards to, ginger self up, while on the way to full good health recovery.

God is no respecter of persons, it dont matter if its Muslims, Atheists, Traditionalists, Buddhists and/or Hindus who wants to take advantage of James 5:14-15

Martinez39:
Services of modern medicine are not the oil that is being talked about. We can agree to disagree. I wonder how you will interprete many various unction in the bible.

"⁵Why do you want more beatings? Why do you keep rebelling? Your head has a massive wound, and your whole heart is afflicted.
⁶From the sole of your foot to the top of your head, there is no soundness
— only wounds and welts and festering sores not cleansed or bandaged or soothed with oil."
- Isaiah 1:5-6

Well in those biblical times, oil was part of services of modern ancient medicine my dear nwanne friend. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

Martinez39:

What people dont understand they laugh at

Martinez39:
What bearing does this have on verses that dish out a concise and clear way to tackle illness

The bearing, Matthew 6:33 has over those verses, is that some other things are worthier to think about that others

TVSA:
Phillips disappeared and reappeared in the bible

It wasnt the first, not even second and only time, this happened in the bible naah,

TVSA:
and Jesus walked through walls. Made me remember "Now you see me "

Yeah, and Jesus walked through walls is the stuff glorified bodies are made out from

Martinez39:
Everyone must have heard the saying "god is not a magician." This is common among christians. It's a saying simply concocted as a cop-out to absolve themselves from the responsibility of believing in the miraculous as they should. Each time certain believers, by prayer and faith, demand miracles and wonders or expect certain supernatural workings from the divine, the response "god is not a magician" is sure to surface."

It is true God is not a magician. The Pharaohs of this world, would rather summon wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians to do the same things as God's done by their secret arts.

Martinez39:
What is a miracle? What is magic? If I ask any christian to provide me with a list of events or occurrences that they would consider magic and I compare them to miracles in the bible such as Jesus turning water to wine, Jesus raising the dead, Elisha making a sunk axe head float by throwing a piece of wood in water (2 King 6:1-7), Moses splitting the red sea, Jesus multiplying fish and bread, etc. you can't tell the difference. Some may say "It's miracle if it's from god, it's magic if it's from the devil." Well, those that are expecting whatever supernatural and miraculous from the divine would, if their requests were granted, still end up getting a miracle since it's god they've asked.

The fundamental difference between a miracle and a magic, is a God factor. A miracle has God in its formula, while the other, magic's formula, is bereft of God.

What we perceive as miracles on earth, are actually rules, principles and/or laws of heaven. It's when a miracle is constantly repeated or perfected, that it becomes a process of nature, a normal state of affairs on earth. Magic, on the other hand, historically often had pejorative connotations, specifically negative connotations to apply to rites that were regarded as fraudulent, unconventional, and dangerous. Magic, is the art of producing illusions as entertainment by the use of sleight of hand, deceptive devices

Let's take a look at a perceived miracle, the Thames Tunnel, is the world's first man-made underground tunnel under a river built. It was used by pedestrians, was a shopping arcade and became a tourist attraction. Experts back then, thought that an underground tunnel underneath a navigable river is impracticable, and so, it was classed a miracle then and after, this tunnel was successfully constructed by Sir Marc Isambard Brunel. Whats the point made here? The point is that, tunnels under rivers, are now ten a penny, and so thereby their constructions arent seen to be miracles anymore. It has become a norm.

Martinez39:
Beside, the bible makes it clear —in Matt 7:7, Mark 11:24, John 14:13, Ephesians 3:20— that with faith, you can pray to god for what you want and you will receive and God can do beyond what our mind can conceive.

It has to be within the rules though before God can do beyond what our mind can conceive, besides we all know and agree that "let Thy will be done" takes precedence here nau.

Martinez39:
Wouldn't it be better to a say "I know the bible contains many supernatural events and It also supports soliciting help and miraculous intervention from God through faith and prayer but I don't just believe that" instead of "God is able, benevolent, and all power and he is not a magician"?

The fool will go and settle with the former while the wise will choose the latter as a fitting alternative. Please dont slip on the "fool and/or wise" banana skin because one is in this case, is adjudged a fool or wise based on their good or bad chosen conclusion or resolution reached after consideration of a matter.

Being called a fool, isnt said to denigrate the person called so but making wrong decisions based on bad judgement and conclusions, adds up to being foolish, as opposed to being wise. Case in point, crossing a highway of 14 lanes without using a pedestrian bridge, and lets see if this is wisdom or being foolish. Being wise comes from wise thinking after good judgement of information. Only a fool will cross a busy road thoughtlessly but a wise, will thoughtfully cross same busy road.

Martinez39:
As I have shown, there are scriptural injunctions that permit a believer to solicit help and miraculous intervention from God through faith and prayer so why disapprove of or malign those keying into this as if they are foolish and unlettered on scriptural matters?

You can have all the faith and most powerful prayer of Nairaland, still no way would your text show on the site in other than in red, green, blue, purple, brown or black. Even common Nairaland, is a stickler to rules

Martinez39:
I don't support believers forgoing practical solutions to real life problems for divine help. However, if we endorse religion and the bible, we must admit that it's not out place for anyone following the bible to do such. How many christian cancer patients or malaria victims can try what is instructed in James 5:14-15? Would it surprise you if they did? You may advise christians against such but what can you do when they tell you that the bible supports their actions and they will obey the Bible?

You follow James 5:14-15 with sense, common sense and sense wiseness. The prayer goes working in tandem with a sought after medical care

Martinez39:
The practice of forgoing medical care for faith healing has been disasterous for many. Even in business, career, and marriage, forgoing the best practical position for a strategy embedded in religious delusion can be disasterous as well and set you backwards. The way forward is to speak against these misleading and dangerous scriptural injunctions and reform the holy books accordingly.

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It becomes misleading and dangerous scriptural injunctions when in the hands of an inexperienced, like demonstrated with the concise above short clip is worth a thousand words

Martinez39:
As moderate Christians keep insisting that the bible is rational and doesn't support any egregious practice, christians that have the fortitude and honesty to take the bible for what it is will keep harming themselves and those around them. As moderate Muslims keep insisting that the quran is a book of peace, those that have the fortitude and honesty to take the quran as it is will not be deterred from islamic extremism. In both religions, the extremists, ironically, are the true believers.

The bible is 110% rational and doesn't at all support any egregious practice

VBCampaign:
Well said

MuttleyLaff:
Lol, among other similar ones, I remember the above track "Jesus Walks" by Kanye West recorded 2000–2003 but released as music, under his "The College Dropout" album in 2004. Kanye is no stranger to gravitating towards his believers' roots, spirituality and late mum's gospel influence, nobi today yansh don tay for fowl's back ooo. Kanye West with Che Smith co-wrote "Jesus Walks"

Kanye always meant business. He's got a foot in heaven's door, while you jesusjnr, havent got a sniff of any of the twelve pearly gates of heaven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuOCvKvrwI8
VBCampaign, you really need to watch this over 1-hour interesting interview
Kanye is a funny guy sha, with his jokingly conversation line "... someone is about to lower my christian scorecard"

VBCampaign:
I was at Mokola (Ibadan) three days ago. Bought this "original" charger from one of the guys there. Three days later, charger stops working. Not that it is not charging but the battery percentage for the phone could take an hour to charge 3%.

I returned it to my seller, a guy from Eastern Nigeria. The guy begins to para... said he cannot change charger for me. Something I bought for 1k o.

Guys, please help me. How can I get a good charger for my phone and at what cost? I use those chargers they call "blackberry" charger.

Thanks.

What part of the country the seller was from is gratuitous and/or needless information.

Dont patronise "originals". When you buy or use "originals", you get what you pay for, which probably explains why this "original" isn't very good fantastic and didnt live up to your expectation.

Go to reputable resellers or outlets who stock originals and not "originals" Isnt Ibadan famed to be the largest city in West Africa. It shouldnt be that difficult to find or hard to locate a BlackBerry product reseller in the city now

Image123:
The summary of what you have written below is that you agree to my 'reasons' but you strongly want/expect men to be self controlled or disciplined.

You again, not unusually got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I do not agree to your "reason". Of course I strongly expect men to have and exercise self will. I strongly expect men to develop self control or self-discipline, so the point that, just like in that Alsatian dogs and casually walking by cat, they will be able to keep it together and not be tossed to and fro by the waves and get carried away by anything in a skirt. Case in point, Joseph showing strong will power and Potiphar's wife

Image123:
How you came out so easily is what i'm not sure of, maybe due to our mutual respect for one another though. Because i expect a kind of watertight defence to this "gospel" of trousers, not the kind pastor Chris gave or that you are giving. Let's be over careful of turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, in order to excuse immoral ways.

Image123, I know and understand you to be a honest moG, which is why I am doing an "Aquila and Priscilla" with you

Image 123, recall I mentioned that Pastor Chris is not fully woke, yet he did cover the subject with enough depth & aplomb I must say. I further said his submission though wasnt feeble, yet where he majorly left out and what made his edification insufficient and not enough is where he left out the idolatory pagan ritual custom that cross dressing is associated with. Here is where I'll could agree with you that its not the kind of watertight defence to this "gospel" of cross dressing, or the kind pastor Chris gave.

As I previously advanced, even though you dont find it an agreeable thought, the underlying reason of concern to God about cross dressing, is to do with the association with idolatry practices and pagan ritualistics done, when and with wearing clothes of the opposite sex that is detesting to God. This is what God dislikes and says its an abomination, period. Any other twisting and turning naa wash ojaare.

Image123:
i already did, but you don't seem to like/want the answer.

Image123, you still dont get it. The answer is not and never will "it is wrong" because the response should be binary answer

Image123, fyi, "Are you saying Mrs Image123 and any of the Misses Image123 dont wear and/or havent ever worn a pair of trousers/pants ni?" requires a Yes or No answer and not "it is wrong"

Image123:
It is not new sir. There are usually clauses and explanations to rules. Like you are giving your idolatry/cross dressing "revelation". You can be naked in your bathroom, but not everywhere. It is not partiality or double standards, it is discretion.

OK then Image123, what's the alternative "revelation" for why, as said in Deuteronomy 22:5, God, detests anyone who does cross dresses, hmm?

Image123:
Again, firstly and lastly, i will say that i am not talking about salvation or judgement or eternity. Note that clearly and markedly and foundationally, lest you 'fall'. A racist cannot have black friends and mentors, except racist has changed meaning.

You were trying to absolve yourself, so you slipped in, "i think it will interest you, and perhaps stop you from further copying and pasting some of your questions, to note that i have very close/dear female ministers and 'mentors' that wear pants/slacks."

Are you saying Mrs Image123 and any of the Misses Image123 dont wear and/or havent ever worn a pair of trousers/pants ni?. This question will never go away, until answered correctly lol

Image123:
And this is doctrine from where? In your words jokingly "This is a man made idea, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men. Teaching human rules after turning God laws on its head!" Did you hear yourself nicely?

Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head (i.e. Leviticus 19:27)
Men not to trim or clip off the edges of their beard (i.e. Leviticus 19:27)
Men not to have long hair (i.e. 1 Corinthians 11:14)

Without micing words, that's exactly what you are doing Image123. Now how many out of the three verses above do you adhere to

Image123:
It's not a doctrine, it is something very practical and visible.

Image123, it is a man made idea, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men. It is you teaching human rules after turning God laws on its head!

Image123, you already know me that I dont venture into subjects I havent a watertight understanding of and this how I can show you verses in 2 Kings and Zephaniah that explains Deuteronomy 22:5 away as nothing to do with your "it is something very practical and visible" version of event, but as I always maintain, has to do with cross dressing done and used for idolatrous purposes, meaning men wearing women’s clothing, and vice versa as part of an idolatrous rite

Image123:
Not to say much, let's pity the Too many weak men, shallow men all over town. We both agree that they exist, and GOD knows.

If it makes you feel great, then carry on making light of it that way

Image123:
Two wrongs don't make a right. The woman is a weaker vessel, according to the Bible and according to experience.

Image123, you've prooftexted 1 Peter 3:7 with this your "the woman is a weaker vessel" comment. C'mon now, the burden is upon the man in 1 Peter 3:7 and not the woman

I brought up "So? Dont men go about shirtless, dont men go about sleeveless showing bulging biceps ni?" because you first advanced "#4, it has subtly empowered and spurred on the feminism agenda over the decades."

Image123:
Good that you also see reason, just that you don't agree.

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I wish you drop the blinkers and start seeing reasons too.
How do you mean, I dont agree?. I dont agree to what exactly?

Image123:
Again, you see reason, thank God. i'd have thought i was hallucinating or something. Sorry, we live in a world where Josephs are one in a million literally. The Word of God is written for all, not for 'one in a millions'. That's why women should try to help the weak.

Are you trying to say, you're a weak man. If you are able and capable to stand firm, whats stopping other fellow men from doing so

The true test of a man's character is what he does, at seeing a näked woman, à la the King David way or a reminisce of something similar, when no one is watching

Image123:
i'm convinced it is wrong because of the above given reasons. It recklessly neglects new testament principles of abstaining from every appearance of evil, of trying not to be an offence or stumbling block to others. Not everything is expedient, and like Paul, i believe women should be ready and willing to do away with meat, seeing it makes many fake men.

There is nothing evil, bar the idolatrous purposes connection, in women wearing men clothing and vice versa. Image123, please dont be a hypocrite.

Hang on, how do you mean "i believe women should be ready and willing to do away with meat" smh. I guess, left to you we should enforce a Taliban slant on this matter of ready and willing to do away with "meat", like no bikini wearing at beaches or swimming pool sides, no female Olympic or other games sport dressing showing flesh abi? All because the men can keep their fly zipped up. Right?

It is someone like you who will rather the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not näkedly put and openly left in the attractive centre part of the garden of Eden. You'll be saying why couldnt and/or didnt God cover the tree up. Your reason will be because the tree is attractive and tempting to Adam and Eve. Dry laugh

Seun:
“How to please God sexually”? You should probably rephrase that because it sounds blasphemous.

"⁷I made you grow like a plant in the field. You grew up, matured, and became a young woman. Your breasts developed, and your hair grew. Yet, you were näked and bare.
⁸" 'I went by you again and looked at you. You were old enough to make love to. So I spread my robe over you, and covered your näked body. I promised to love you, and I exchanged marriage vows with you. You became mine, declares the Almighty LORD.
⁹" 'Then I bathed you with water, and I washed off your blood. I poured olive oil over you.
¹⁰I put an embroidered dress on you and fine leather sandals on your feet. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with silk.
¹¹I gave you jewelry. I put bracelets on your wrists and a necklace around your neck.
¹²I put a ring in your nose, earrings on your ears, and a beautiful crown on your head.
¹³So you wore gold and silver jewelry. You were dressed in fine linen, silk, and embroidered clothes. Your food was flour, honey, and olive oil. You were very beautiful, and eventually you became a queen.
¹⁴You became famous in every nation because of your beauty. Your beauty was perfect because I gave you my glory, declares the Almighty LORD.
¹⁵" 'But you trusted your beauty, and you used your fame to become a prostitute. You had sex with everyone who walked by. ¹⁶You took some of your clothes and made your worship sites colorful. This is where you acted like a prostitute. Such things shouldn't happen. They shouldn't occur.
¹⁷You took your beautiful gold and silver jewelry that I had given you and made male idols for yourself. Then you committed adultery with them.
¹⁸You took off your embroidered clothes and covered the idols with them. You offered my olive oil and incense in their presence. ¹⁹You also offered them sweet and fragrant sacrifices. You gave flour, olive oil, and honey-all the food that I gave you to eat. This is what happened, declares the Almighty LORD.
20" 'You took your sons and daughters, who belonged to me, and you sacrificed them as food to idols. Wasn't your prostitution enough? ²¹You slaughtered my children and presented them as burnt offerings to idols.
²²With all the disgusting things that you did and all your acts of prostitution, you didn't remember the time when you were young. You didn't remember when you were näked and bare, kicking around in your own blood.
²³" 'How horrible! How horrible it will be for you! declares the Almighty LORD. After all your wickedness,
²⁴you built yourself platforms and illegal worship sites in every city square.
²⁵You also built worship sites at the head of every street. You used your beauty to seduce people there. You offered your body to everyone who passed by. You increased your acts of prostitution.
²⁶You had sex with your lustful neighbors, the Egyptians. You used your prostitution to make Me angry.
²⁷" 'So I used my power against you. I took away some of your land, and I handed you over to your greedy enemies, the Philistines, who were ashamed of what you had done.
²⁸" 'You had sex with the Assyrians because you weren't satisfied. You still weren't satisfied.
²⁹So you increased your acts of prostitution to include the land of the merchants, the Babylonians. Even after that, you weren't satisfied.
³⁰" 'You have no will power! declares the Almighty LORD. You do everything a shameless prostitute does.
³¹You build your platforms at the head of every street and place your illegal worship sites in every square. Yet, you aren't like other prostitutes, because you don't want to be paid.
³²You are an adulterous wife who prefers strangers to her husband."
- Ezekiel 16:7-32

"¹⁴"That is why I'm going to win her back. I will lead her into the desert. I will speak tenderly to her.
¹⁵I will give her vineyards there. I will make the valley of Achor [Disaster] a door of hope. Then she will respond as she did when she was young, as she did when she came out of Egypt.
¹⁶"On that day she will call me her husband," declares the LORD. "She will no longer call me her master.
¹⁷I won't allow her to say the names of other gods called Baal. She will never again call out their names.
¹⁸"On that day I will make an arrangement with the wild animals, the birds, and the animals that crawl on the ground. I will destroy all the bows, swords, and weapons of war, so people can live safely.
¹⁹"Israel, I will make you my wife forever. I will be honest and faithful to you. I will show you my love and compassion.
²⁰I will be true to you, my wife. Then you will know the LORD.
(i.e. "then you will know the LORD" means, you shall enjoy an intimacy like that of sexual intercourse with God."
- Hosea 2:14

C'mon now, Rogersmith, typed "How To Please God Sexually In Your Relationship" and not just "How to please God sexually?" your incomplete version, ha ah. You dont know what is going on.

Though I agree that some posters butcher scripture etcetera but here in OP, there is nothing blasphemous and heretical at all in it. As can be seen from the above spoiled for choice bible verses, it is not uncommon to read in scripture, of God, taking on the character of husband, talking about a mystical marriage or union and being sexual explicit about it. The above were samples taken from Ezekiel and Hosea, we didnt even go into or bring up, any of the risqué Song of Solomon verses to prove points with them.

Sex is an allegory of the spiritual journey, and this fyi, is why having and enjoying unembarrassing sex, is for those in fully committed relationships and only, to be done, in such circumstance alone.

johnydon22:
Above the waist up?

What physical sensation from above the waist are you thinking of?
Drops flat on its face, your assertion that sexual pleasure is a physical pleasure. Its not necessarily a physical pleasure. Take for example, the impotent guy, who likes and enjoys watching a strange guy straffing his wife, while he just sits, in a corner of the room watching. Weird isn't that.

johnydon22:
Sexual pleasure is a physical pleasure. So, you are saying they are experiencing pleasure and suffering at the same time?

I hope I can locate this YouTube video I watched a couple of months ago. It's about a paraplegic describing having sexual pleasure and this is someone not feeling anything from the waist down, meaning he has no means below the waist for having physical sexual pleasure sensations.

ichuka:
There's one God with different personalities

I can live with this remark. It is similar to, there is one H₂O, but when solid, its static and hard, when liquid, its fluid and flows, and when gaseous, its free, invisible, untouchable etcetera

Doubled post

johnydon22:
Suffering is a word we are all familiar with. I dare say that, it is a concept we are all familiar with in principle and in reality.

I doubt people really are familiar with what the full concept of what suffer/suffering is in principle and in reality

Suffering or to suffer, apparently, is human(s) as well as a divine. Human beings suffer, just as well as God suffer(s)

johnydon22:
But, are you sure we do?

I am sure we all dont understand or grasp fully what the word suffer/suffering means

johnydon22:
Do we know what it means to suffer?

Now you're about talking. I dont think we really know what it means to suffer. We often associated suffer/suffering with only negative, less positive connotations. It really isnt always like that

johnydon22:
What causes suffering?

Suffering can be self inflicted, one can deliberately give in to suffering, one can be made to suffer, also one can be subjected to suffering etcetera

johnydon22:
And how to recognize suffering?

May recognize suffering from out of feeling discomfort/having pain. May recognize suffering from deliberately putting oneself through to a particular situation or submitting oneself to a particular person or stimulus

johnydon22:
Let me hear your opinion on this, what does it mean to suffer?

I am of the mind and sensing that OP seems to gravitate or lean towards associating suffering with only negative and/or bad connotations

johnydon22:
Examples?

"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
- Matthew 19:14

"And He healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him"
- Mark 1:34

"Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."
- Luke 9:22

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."
- Romans 8:18

"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:"
- 1 Peter 2:21

"Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."
- 1 Peter 4:16

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,"
- Galatians 5:22

"Of course, none of you should suffer for being a murderer, thief, criminal, or troublemaker.
(i.e. if you suffer, however, it must not be for murder, stealing, making trouble, or prying into other people’s affairs)"
1 Peter 4:15

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
- 2 Peter 3:9

johnydon22:
Analogies.

Explain what suffering means

There are many types of suffering, and this is implying that the many types of suffering, would explain differently what suffering means

johnydon22:
how it is recognized and how possibly it can be stopped.

One type of suffering can be recognised from having an experience of pain, hardship, distress, discomfort etcetera. One of the ways, to possibly stop the suffering, is to eject, oneself from the connect with where or what is the pain, hardship, distress, discomfort etcetera.

Another is to remove the pain, hardship, distress, discomfort etcetera object that brought about the suffering in the first place or thats generating the suffering

These two are arent an exhaustible list, but for the sake of keeping it short and simple, giving just two ways

Some sufferings are good/bad indicators, this depending on, if you're a cup is half empty or half full sort of person. Take for an example, holding a hot cup of tea, the right kind of suffer of pain will warn you about the hotness of the cup, hence the recoil or reflex action upon suffering the pain of the heat

kkins25:
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6
there is one God...one God. i repeat, one God... i don't know why my fellow Christians like to twist bible and also make up excuses for God...
even jesus attested to this so many times yet you dont want to listen draw your ears.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. Mark 10:18
if Jesus had the same status as his father he would not always acknowelgde the superiority of his Father. The person wey get him papa no talk say him and him papa na mates so why una con dey chuke words inside jesus and paul mouth huh??
of course what jesus said above corroborates ;
1 Samuel 2:2
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

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kkins25, facepalm, smh, Jesus was saying, if you know it is only God who is good. Why do you then call me good, would it be because, subconsciously you know I am God, that is why you call me good. God is God, God is Jesus, Jesus is God, however just like how the human father and son no be mates, dem get boundaries and all that etcetera, so it is with the heavenly Father and His begotten Son too

kkins25, God, as Father will always have a higher status than God, as Son. That one na sure banker now, no two ways about that one naah.

Hairyrapunzel:
Am I quarreling with you? I only said that since there is one Lord Jesus Christ therefore, God/jehovah isn't Lord simple. Carry your argument wherever

Since you said there is one God the father means only the father is God therefore there is one Lord jesus christ means only Jesus is Lord. I no quarrel I just used your own logic.
You can't bring another bible verse from another place to counter my point.

"²⁸And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
²⁹Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”"
- John 20:28-29

"Yeshua said to him, “All this time I am with you and you have not known me Phillip?
Whoever has seen me has seen The Father, and how do you say, 'Show us The Father'?"
- John 14:9

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."
- Colossians 1:15

kkins25, middle name Phillip, go exchange your argument(s) with John 20:28-29, John 14:9 and Colossians 1:15 above

Hairyrapunzel:
Where in the bible did jesus christ ever say he is inferior to the father or the father is superior to him?

No where in the bible did Jesus Christ ever say He is inferior to the Father or that the Father is superior to Him, never did, never has, dont mind kkins25 ojaare.

kkins25:
this is nothing but a formulation by mr apostle Paul and his cohorts of fake prophets aka apostles. Even though Paul might not have meant it literally but well its his fault christianity is what it is today.

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6

christ was not God but god.

Psalms 110:1
The LORD (yhwh)said to my Lord(possibly jesus), Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. there is a big difference sir, btw LORD and lord.

Christ is God and even god sef, if you want to us to put it that way

kkins25:
muttleylaff, here comes someone who surpasses you in dishing out yadayada(budaatums definition of the term and not the other yada) pastors that are teaching that the first man was adam, and eve chop some apple fruit fed to her by a talking snake? my brother please what holy spirit possess you, can you give me its sigil and mobile number?? smh.. bloody pastorpreneurs.

kkins has always been loyal to the Almighty God. Praise iesus bin ioseph

Its good to know some people like you kkins25, really know what the Hebrew word, "yada" means

ichuka:
Bro you are looking at it from one side of a coin.you are right how can He claim to be God while He was a Man then.isnt right .but that's doesn't negate the fact that He is God before He came and when He left back to He's Throne in Heaven.

kkins25:
are you implying that jesus and jehova are the same entity? are you saying that in heaven now, there is no longer a jesus since he was God before he manifested into the skin of man (as muttleylaff would put it)

MuttleyLaff:
I thought right, you'll be referring to those verses and similar.

As I earlier pointed out there is no two thrones Maamin.
It's one throne, and its one God, having the Son of God projecting out of same one God, God the Father.

You accept, that God can project Himself however He can, don't you?

Not kkins25, implying that Jesus and Jehova are the same entity, but emphatically saying that Jesus and Jehova are the same entity.

kkins25, I put on different attire colours to reflect my mood and image I am trying to project across. I could put on a red dress to make a statement that I am fiery, vibrant and lively. The colours are not me, they are images reflecting certain aspects of me. It's the same with God, the maleness and femaleness is not God, they are just constructs made in the image of God. God really isnt male nor female

We all know what kind of image one is projecting when wearing black colours, could be mourning or trying to look sexy

The "the only begotten" means the only person uniquely gotten this way. The phrase has nothing to do with God biologically giving birth to Jesus, as a mother, like women do.

kkins25, God is formless. God is a Spirit, and so has no form. God however does have masculine and feminine distinctive personalities plus characteristics associated with man and woman

Before you step and slip on my "God is formless" banana skin comment, let me make myself clearer with the comment, by adding to it, that God is shapeless and formless like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. When you pour water into a drum, it becomes the drum of water. That is why when Moses asked God who should he say sent him, if asked by the Israelites, God said say, I AM I AM sent you. I AM I AM, means I shall be that I shall be, also means whatever it is necessary for God to be, that, God will be. God willl be a pillar of cloud in the day and become a pillar of fire to give them light at night. God is formless, yet God can take on any form. I know it sounds like an oxymoron thing to say it that way, but God, though truly is formless, can manifest Himself in any form, just as in that Nebucadnezzer fiery furnace and etcetera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWzha1xdcJw
Smh

missjo:
Can this unique gift be given to anyone who seeks the holy ghost?

Of course, your greatest Teacher, afterall is the Spirit of Truth, aka Holy Spirit, even Holy Ghost, who guides you into all truths. If anyone of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all, without finding fault, and it will be given to you. That promise is courtesy of James 1:5 missjo.

missjo:
Yes, human skin from dust NOT the covering with which our first parents were clothed after they sinned.

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Human skin came later, even apocrypha books and the Quran attests to this missjo. Even Yorubas too say: "human beings are clothes"
I have work to go to,this moment, so will revert back in the PM, say anytime after 3-4pm, OK?

missjo:
Job is here making reference to our human skin, the one God fashioned from the dust of the earth.


The entire scripture you just quoted was given by God as a vision to Ezekiel regarding the prophetic restoration of the nation of Israel, nothing here is to be taken literally.

Dry bones signify the absence of spirituality, the people of Israel will turn their backs on the Christ.
Sinews, flesh, and breath, all signify the spiritual restoration of Israel which will take place at the second coming.

In case you are still in doubt, this is what verse 11-14 of the same chapter had to say:

Ezekiel 37:11-14 New International Version (NIV)
11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’
12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel.
13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them.
14 I will put my Spirit (breath, sinew, skin) in (over) you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

Oh yeah, is Job now there making reference to our human skin, the one God fashioned from the dust of the earth, hmm? It's OK, it's alright then. lol.

missjo:
Fortunately, I will take your word for it because indeed the holy ghost is not unto some but unto all.
Lol @buda is not one of him

kkins25:
you see my friend, when conversing with monikers like buda, you should read twice if not probably thrice before replying.
buda is a notorious conman of words. he is like a colorful toad, attractive but poisonous.

MuttleyLaff:
You cracked me up yesterday, leaving me bursting out in laughter on the public walkway reading this comment and especially the last sentence above. Can I borrow using the phrase "buda is a notorious conman of words. He is like a colorful toad, attractive but poisonous," Wow. You dont worry, as I will credit you as the originator of the phrase if/whenever I get to re-use it

Ihedinobi3:
The above is only a sampling of Scriptural passages about God's attitude to those who rebel against Him, those who corrupt His Truth and cause others to stumble, and those who persecute and murder His Children. Among them too is one about the prayer of believers who were martyred that the Lord would avenge them upon their murderers. The psalms are full of that kind of thing too.

You are not one of us, budaatum. You're the worst kind of human being there is. You do not want Salvation, and you will not let those who want it have it in peace. You are forever looking for obstacles to throw in the way of those who are on the high road to Jerusalem, if perhaps you can cause some to go lame or be discouraged and turn back. Maybe you will repent one day and submit to the Lord Jesus and be saved. Until then, you are simply building up God's Anger against you, and when He pours it out on you, you will wish that you were never born.

Do I wish for your peace? Why would I give you all the warnings that I constantly give you if I did not? But I am not naive. I am not a fool. So I do not believe that you are a friend of the Lord's or of His People. Therefore, I do not treat you like you are either. That is what is meant by there can be no peace with the likes of you. I certainly cannot do you any harm. What can I do? Even if I knew you in person, the worst thing that I could do to you is to stay as far away from you as I can. I cannot harm you. You are not mine to harm. But if you speak about the Bible and misrepresent the Lord to anyone who will listen to me, then I will oppose you. That is how there is no peace between us. The harm that will come to you will come from the Lord, not from me.

Michellekabod2:
You are free,will never quote you as regards to your misandrist posts. Noted!
I am rude!
Just so you know, you are hypocritical, not straightforward and double mouthed (no one can rely on your yes or no, because a conman like you changes his mouth)

Michellekabod2:
You called me rude and I call u what you are . You can tag others and when they tag you you will start saying their opinions of you don't count..Buda f.uck off

Michellekabod2:
... Buda, you are very very stupid!
You look so good in the picture of you that you uploaded.

missjo fyi, lol

MuttleyLaff:
Just as I previously asked missjo, where in the text did you read that God killed an animal to provide raw material to make coats of skins covering, hmmm? Or that is what you learned isnt it. Right?

I laughed when kkins25 counter asked with "where in the bible did it say that God did not use animal hide?" After they lost their cloth of righteousness, the skin we currently have is what God made in Genesis 3:21 to clothe and cover them up with

Of course, you would know, I'll pull you up on this. You cant just make a passing "LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD" comment just like that, without being ready and prepared to, in details, explain what "LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD" means. Even tell why and how this can be.

I am sorry, I dont see the connection and/or relevance of Galatains 3:20 to any of this.
Also how is "the offender is also God" sic

kkins25:
so where are the answers at bolded?? further explain what you mean by:
"the skin we currently have is what God made in Genesis 3:21 to clothe and cover them up with"

"You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews."
- Job 10:11 Berean Study Bible

"Didn't you dress me in skin and flesh and weave me together with bones and tendons?"
- Job 10:11 GOD'S WORD® Translation

The Valley of Dry Bones
"¹The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by His Spirit and set me down in the middle of the valley, and it was full of bones.
²He led me all around among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, and indeed, they were very dry.
³Then He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones come to life?”
“O Lord GOD,” I replied, “only You know.”
⁴And He said to me, “Prophesy concerning these bones and tell them: ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD!
⁵This is what the Lord GOD says to these bones: I will cause breatha to enter you, and you will come to life.
⁶I will attach tendons to you and make flesh grow upon you and cover you with skin. I will put breath within you so that you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.’”
⁷So I prophesied as I had been commanded. And as I prophesied, there was suddenly a noise, a rattling, and the bones came together, bone to bone.
⁸As I looked on, tendons appeared on them, flesh grew, and skin covered them; but there was no breath in them. "
- Ezekiel 37:1-8

kkins25, not many like you can see the dots, join the dots and to connect them to get the obscured picture, wink wink

Image123:
But you are asking again na

Not a good enough excuse or reason to start acting like a broken vinyl record player now, or is it Image123

Image123:
It is wrong.

Here we go again, answer the question instead bleating "it is wrong" lol.
The question that you gave a wrong answer to, excuse the wrong pun, is:
"Are you saying Mrs Image123 and any of the Misses Image123 dont wear and/or havent ever worn a pair of trousers/pants ni?"

Image123:
It depends on where they wear it and what she wears it for.

Oh oh, there are distinctions now. We have exceptions now. Ah when it depends, we then can pick and choose where they wear it and what she wears it for. Hmm interesting revelation

Image123:
Good question. Again, firstly and lastly, i will say that i am not talking about salvation or judgement or eternity. i think it will interest you, and perhaps stop you from further copying and pasting some of your questions, to note that i have very close/dear female ministers and 'mentors' that wear pants/slacks.

Listen to yourself Image123. You sound similar to just like the far right racist, patting himself on the back with the comment: "I think it will interest you to note that I have very close/dear blacks as friends and mentors". Smh. lol

Image123:
Like Michellekabod2 has well stated, pastor Chris' reasons (which is a majority's reason for supporting women wearing trousers/pants) are not ample or sufficient. They are very weak.

Though Pastor Chris is not fully woke, he did cover the subject with enough depth & aplomb I must say. There wasnt anything feeble. What he majorly left out and what made his edification insufficient and not enough is where he left out the idolatory pagan ritual custom that cross dressing is associated with. That's the underlying reason of concern to God about cross dressing. It is the association with idolatry practices and pagan ritualistics done when and with wearing clothes of the opposite sex that is detesting to God. This is what God dislikes and says its an abomination, period. Any other twisting and turning naa wash ojaare.

Image123:
i say it is wrong among many reasons because one a woman should not wear what pertains/belongs to a man. Whatever underlying reason you may think for God saying it.

The truth is too difficult to believe

Image123:
Two, it erodes the distinction of the sexes/genders.

This is a man made idea, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men. Teaching human rules after turning God laws on its head!

Image123:
Three, slacks actually reveal more of a woman's figure than conceal it. i say this not as a "killjoy" of some sort, but because from experience i've heard people argue that slacks cover properly/more than skirts. It actually gives a lot to the imagination than you would truthfully agree.

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Whats the matter with the saying then: "Look the other way" This exactly what those men in the above photo ought to be doing now

Image123, in one of my previous work life, I have countless times, walked into stark näked women, though I looked at them yet I didnt see their näkedness, this is because I looked past them before advising them to quickly go put on a robe or go tie up a cloth wrapper

I truthfully agree that it was my missus attractive backa and sensual figure that got my first attention before her intelligence after getting to know her that. Other women flaunting their figures, is no excuse not to have self control, self restraint or self discipline now erhn? I know you'll agree to this and if so, who really has a problem here then, hmm? Too many weak men, shallow men all over town.

Image123:
Four, it has subtly empowered and spurred on the feminism agenda over the decades.

So? Dont men go about shirtless, dont men go about sleeveless showing bulging biceps ni?

Image123:
Five, and i kid you not, from hearsay, some folks actually wear them to masturbate as they walk.

and you have a problem with that. How has them masturbating with themselves wronged you or how has something like that taken a minute of your life erhn? I am only asking ni ooo, jor, biko no vex oo.

Image123:
Six, unfortunately, i need to say this because it's you you know. If not, you know i won't say it. i don't know whether you use afose to make me confess sometimes. God forgive my past and many menS past and present, for we have seen many a butt cleavage and undies forcefully because some pants wearing lady sat in front. It's almost impossible especially jeans trousers. Now muttley, ask God to forgive them and you too for you have been forced to such. With these few points of mine. i hope i have confused you that wearing pants is wrong. Thanks.
i have close.

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Image123, please ignore the fearless cat in the above picture, that's a red herring, the real objects of interest in the above picture, are the self-disciplined Alsatian German Shepherd dogs, staying in their stations and not going chasing after the bold and without a care in the world taking a stroll in a beautiful bright sunning vitamin D day cat. That is the beauty of self-discipline, captured in "a picture is worth a thousand words" taken shot.

Some cats can be left to guard a fish without eating it and some can be given a bowl of milk to guard without licking it.
Now, if one is not fortified, if one is not grounded in the word of God, if one is not standing on the word of God, if one loses focus on God, if one hasnt the regard for God in him, like Joseph had (i.e. Genesis 39:9) and if one is not self disciplined, then one is giving the devil a freehand and easy access to try and exploit weakness or dent(s) in ones armour.

One has it or one doesnt has it Image123. You see Image123, one needs to grow and build up self restraint. King David lacked enough self-restraint, this is why upon seeing a näked Bathsheba, he was unable to restrain himself unable to hold it back together, look the other way, vacate immediately that vantage high point he was at seeing Bathsheba. The test of a man, just like in the garden of Eden is to have something too attractive and tempting before him to see how or how not he will resist. lol. There are too many weak males about who call themselves men, they are nothing than fake men, lol

Image123:
i'm saying that it is wrong.

I heard or read you the first time saying it is wrong, so no need repeating.

Image123 nwanne, if I didnt know you not to be that sort of person, I would thought you seem to have ducked the questions:
Are you saying Mrs Image123 and any of the Misses Image123 dont wear and/or havent ever worn a pair of trousers/pants ni?

Is it wrong for Mrs Image123 to wear your t-shirt, polo shirt, boxer shorts, wrap your towel round herself, put on your socks, put on your jogging bottoms, hmm Image123?

Out of curiosity, why Image123, are you saying it is wrong for women to wear a pair of trousers/pants.

Advance warning Image123, I have previously said to Michellekabod2, that I am quite sure she does know that the Old Testament Deuteronomy 22:5 verse that is banded about and waved in people's faces, specifically is about the idolatory pagan ritual custom that cross dressing is associated with. That's the underlying reason of concern to God about cross dressing, it's the association with idolatry practices and pagan ritualistics done when and with wearing clothes of the opposite sex.

1StopRudeness:
Some of the Old Testament “don’t Do” laws given to the Israelites were practices sinful nations around them engaged in...and God or Moses ddnt want them doing or identify with those practices....and that goes for Deut. 22v5 which is actually about cross dressing and not just a “woman wearing trousers” cos that’s the only thing people bring up once that verse comes up.

Cross dressing: i.e. being a “Bobrisky or a “Denrele” .....:simply put: Men wearing women clothes /accessories and vice versa was a common practice among pagans even during Old Testament times....now common among the LGBT and transgender folks in these mordern times
That said.... It’s not a sin for a woman to wear trousers or a man to wear skirt once the aim is not be a “bobrisky”

MuttleyLaff:
Please be balanced and non-discriminatory. Also, please find it in you, to be truthful the fact and honest to admit that it is specifically the idolatory pagan ritual custom of cross dressing that's the underlying reason of concern to God

Bobrisky and/or Denrele's livelihoods depend on being a Bobrisky or Denrele

1StopRudeness:
Discrimination?? Who are u people seff? So if prostitution is wrong, it doesn’t matter if a lady does it so far it’s a means of livelihood...so it will be discrimination to say say prostitution is wrong....
why don’t u hail our politicians then..,since stealing and injustice is wrong, but we all know that’s practically what they do for living....
Mayb u should clear me well, cos I’m not getting u..are u saying it’s discrimination to call yahoo boys fraudsters because its technically their means of livelihood..

MuttleyLaff:
1StopRudeness, fyi, according to the Nigerian Criminal Code, prostitution is not wrong if performed by an independent individual who operates on his/her own accord without the use of pimps or a brothel. OK? Now, 1StopRudeness please tell me
1/ What wrong exactly, has Bobrisky or Denrele personally done to you or anyone else for that matter, hmm?
2/ Have you evidence or proof of Bobrisky or Denrele stealing, hmm?
3/ What specifically is the injustice Bobrisky or Denrele have done that you've wronged them over?
4/ What has having to call yahoo boys fraudsters now got to do with Bobrisky or Denrele?

Bodydialect57:
So the fact that the Nigerian Criminal Code supports prostitution means it's right? So you think because it's widely backed up means God's approval?

Bodydialect57, please I beg you, dont pour marijuana, put and dump inside my pocket ooo, because where did you see or read that MuttleyLaff said anything about like prostitution is widely backed up then means has God's approval, hmm?

You can see from the above comments' trail how and who introduced prostitution. You can see that name shaming(s) and more were committed so advice was given to be balanced and non-discriminatory, but suddenly and out of nowhere, the moral high ground was climbed on and "prostitution is wrong" and whatnot were waved in the air, when the fact is, the Nigerian Criminal Code, says, prostitution is not wrong if performed by an independent individual who operates on his/her own accord without the use of pimps or a brothel and here you are Bodydialect57, words I never said you're trying to put in my mouth. Dont give the devil a foothold Bodydialect57.

Bodydialect57, fyi, what I think or what other people think about whether because prostitution is widely backed up, means God's approval doesnt carry weight or matters. Do you know why Bodydialect57, hmm?. It is because God is Just. JUST, as in, meaning, God is unprejudiced, God is non-discriminatory, God is tolerant, God is etcetera.

I think you're feeling me, so, back to, God is Just again. Now if God is Just, then, it actually means, God will judge every single act, say one like, that of prostitution for an example, on its own merits. Our learned friends in the legal fraternity will know what I am talking about here. Do you think the Person, in 1 John 2:1, who puts a case on someone else's behalf is beans ni? lol. As budaatum will say: "Those ignorant of the power of jazz/juju herbs, call it vegetable." Lol, "ase, oo mọ ogun, oun npe lẹfọ"

ichuka:
Hi sis,
muttleylaff and Ihedinobi3's are my big bros
I also presumed they have all the answers
Pls continue with them.

Thanks

No ooo ichuka, no ooo, no pour marijuana, put and dump inside my pocket ooo
ichuka, MuttleyLaff and Ihedinobi3's we are each and all be big bros, not leaving out missjo as big sis
Nobagar is an island of have all the answers, information and knowledge.
Nobody except God, has all the answers, is All knowing. Alleluia.

missjo:
Lol Muttley.
Was just getting some things done and did not want to be distracted by your shenanigans

Na for hause, sette dey wait for bumbum come siddon. When you're done getting things done, I'll still be here, around, lol. Run ooo, run as much as you like but me, I know say you nefa fit hide, lol.

nijabazaar:
Hmmmm. Thank you.

Hmmmm, again......thinking

I never envisaged this topic to be so divisive.

I am also struggling with my own conclusions too.
Chai.

People who want to know and admit the truth on the matter of the BoE not being an inspired God breath book and matter of fallen angels & angels, falsely being called sons of God are incredibly thin on the ground here on this thread or similar

budaatum:
You'd see that unlike you I solved my problem. Or did you not get that from what you quoted?

She thinks she has solved her problem. Smh.

Michellekabod2:
I don't see anything wrong in trousers but the alibis pastor Chris gave are not ample to support wearing of trousers.
Why do people draw a margin between the old and new testament to support their points? Many Christian's have told me that Paul teaching on women's role in the church are his opinions,but those same people make references to his teaching as "word of God" when such teachings suits their arguments...

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
- Deuteronomy 22:5

Michellekabod2, I am quite sure you do know that the Old Testament Deuteronomy 22:5 verse that is banded about and waved in people's face specifically is about the idolatory pagan ritual custom of cross dressing. That's the underlying reason of concern to God about cross dressing, it's the association with idolatry practices and pagan ritualistics done when and with wearing clothes of the opposite sex.

missjo:
Hello Cornel, apologies for not honoring your mentions till now.

I have not studied The Book of Enoch in-depth, I have a pdf file of it on my PC but haven't quite begun the process of doing an intense truth study of its writings. So i can not really offer much regarding the subject.

However, i am not one of those saying the sons of God are Seth's descendants tho. I have always and still maintain that the sons of God in Genesis are fallen angels.

You will never find any verse in the Bible, that, in a clear, direct and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, saying fallen angels or said angels are sons of God. I dare you to come up with any verse(s) missjo and let me counter you and take you to the cleaners with them.lol.