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Shepherd00:
Direct TV01's responses to him and mind to mine differently.

I will now, especially since that you've specifically requested I do.

Mind you TV01 and you seem to be singing for the same hymn sheet, which explains why he endorsed all your comments on this thread, definitely so because that is what he thinks and believe

Shepherd00:
Okay then. But, I'd rather you pick out our different posts point by point directing them to us, than jumbling everyone's post in one longgggggg response. That makes it cumbersome to react to one's.

React to mine, and do so to TV01's. If we say the same thing, just point us to the one you responded to.

Your long posts are dizzying.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

My apologies in advance, because the coming post is long ooo. You don't expect me to let TV01 get away with murder eh

Shepherd00:
@MuttleyLaff. based on this; "I have put the record straight about Lot, Sodom and Gomorrah

Should I open a thread so that we face it specifically and see that you subtly lied?


Will you appear? I called you out before, you ghosted saying I shd come over to your thread, I am here, but you failed to react to a single post I made in response to you.

So, give me the go ahead and I will open a thread just for both of us.

What do you say?

Hold on to your knickers Shepherd00 and please stop this your usual nonsense of jumping the gun.

I thought patience is a virtue, from a believer's biblical point of view. Please exercise some sense of self control and stop badgering me. Body nobi wood and I for one, listens to my body.

I already have to a modest degree addressed the misinformation and misunderstanding kkins25, you and others have in my soon to be uploaded reply to TV01 latest, so please rein in yours and openmine snapping at my heels.

All that you raised in your post, are virtually all addressed in my upcoming post sitting on my Mac. Please chill. I've warned you to stop drinking strong coffee nau, didn't I.

I am sorry that I missed last night's midnight deadline, but I will rather miss it than uploading a sub standard and unworthy rebuttal. My apologies to all again

PS: I love you bro, nwanne Shepherd00, and I am not avoiding you nor refusing to respond to your comments on this thread. You will soon find out my strategy for not yet immediately responding to yours first before seeing what TV01 had to stay

kkins25:
Ogbenni, i wasnt debating. i made it known to muttleylaff who claims the bible did not categorically suggest that SS marriage is wrong- that the story of Lot somewhat informs us indirectly that sexual immorality led to the untimely destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Whether SS marriage is considered sexual immorality is what this discussion- i believe is about. He, the OP has promised to enlighten us on how he came about his deductions.
i thought he was our maker. You are indirectly wishing the harsh judgement of the lord your God, who isnt doing anything this days. Abi i dey lie??
Jesus is proud of you. Todays christians are only associates of hell. Instead of winning souls, you push me away to darkness. But i know now, you dont push me away but drag me with you so i can dwell in the shadows of logical death.. No, no ,no get away from me, you satan in white garments.


Well, then you have let your self slip into a delusional grandeur, muttley also subscribes to the bible yet doesn't agree with you on the "sin status" of Homosexuality. Riddle me that huh!!!!
How the deuce can two learned individuals whom both claim to be annoited by the same holy spirit percieve the HOLY SCRIPTURES differently? Riddle me that huh!!! Thats why i said " the bible is subject to perception bias". Becareful shepard , dont make an olodo of your self.
And ogbenni, we are not here to prove that the bible calls (or messages) that homosexuality is a sin. We are here to discuss wether those verse specifically condemn homosexuality..

you want to diverge from the op isnt it?. SMH.

i, kkins25, is not in support of both parties: the prosecutors and the defendants. I, my dear friend is hear to ensure that your "case" isn't loaded with sentimental BS. Furthermore, we need someone who doesn't bend the will of the bible to suit their propaganda.. Muttleylaff says homosexuality isnt a sin because the Bible doesn't say so. I say homosexuality isn't a sin because there is no sin in the world of Biology, only favourable behaiours and unfavourable behaviours.

If your so called holy spirit had any authoruty here, it would have struck me along time ago.ogbenii.

"kkins, the fewer the facts one is aware of, the stronger the opinion(s) one has.
This is why you'll find, even already in the infancy of this thread, that too many people on the thread, come on with full opinions and less half the facts."
- Religion / Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04

kkins25:
Those the bible say homosexualism is evil??

"The Bible never and nowhere, has ever said same sex relationship or homosexualism is evil. TV01 knows this. He knows if he should have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, he will be found out. The fear of getting exposed is the reason why he got cold feet and changed his mind from answering them"
- Religion / Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04

kkins25:
From the narrative of Lot and the angels one is led to believe that SS marriages is indeed a gruesome sin.

"Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm?
It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors"
- Religion / Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04

kkins25, do you know, what I see lacking and missing with most? It is the lack of not enough grace, which is, that touch of truth, that lets you see the world in a new way. It’s a gift that can be taken, only when you’re open enough to receive and accept it.

kkins25, I have put the record straight about Lot, Sodom and Gomorrah etcetera a bit already with you as seen with the red inverted commas above, the rest of the instalment is on its way.

Shepherd00:
Again, hot air. Ur thread is loaded with responses for you to react to and questions for you to answer, but na noise you sabi make.

You cried all over the place that TV01 didn't answer your simple questions, he has not only answered you, I did too, where are your rebuttals to them? Nothing.

I told you to be ready for this when you were making this noise. Shameless homosexual.

You can call me whatever you enjoy and like calling me.

Your responses were going to be more or less just like what I know TV01 will put forward, this is why I had to wait for TV01 to answer, this is because it will enable me do justice to yours, which will be similar to the replies TV01 gives. You know how it is nau, I mean the thing about killing two birds at one go, with one stone, hmm? Yawa go gas.

You will get my unflinching response before midnight today, so please give it a rest, dont lose sleep over it and stop drinking strong coffee. Biko.

alBHAGDADI:
Muttleylaff is currently getting whooped on his one thread

You will eat these your words

Shepherd00:
You are high on sperms. All the notice you made about how you'd obliterate us with your rebuttals, where are they?

Puffing hot air.

You will choke on that sperm. Dont worry, you dont have to beg for your punishment. Nobi sons who dey bury dem mama ni, hmm? You'll have long life and be alive to witness apocalypse unfold, that is made especially for you.

Shepherd00:
After all the chest beating, Muttleylaff took off.

I here, I am here. I havent took off as you secretly wish. I am peppering up the cat o' nail tail "atori pasan" whip ready before the lashing. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, that one na komfam.

Shepherd00:
You are completely devoid of shame.

Is it a lie? Did I lie about you and your flimsy excuse you gave or did I lie about jesusjnr doing schtum undercover low profile staying away from the thread, hmm?

Shepherd00:
You are completely devoid of shame.

Is it a lie.? Did I lie about you and your flimsy excuse you gave or did I lie about jesusjnr doing schtum undercover low profile staying away from the thread, hmm?

openmine:
okay

All you posted up there, them bible verses I mean, will, trust me, be dealt with when TV01, replies with his moniker handle to my four earlier asked questions.

openmine:


You can as well tag the thread a MuttleyLaff VS TV01 Vocabo/lingual e-war!
From your submissions,you just defeated the very purpose of this thread!
When you are ready to prove your points on why God sees nothing wrong with homosexual acts using scriptures and not what am disappointingly viewing here,that's when i will grant this thread a view and possibly a comment!
SMH

I think TV01 is buying time or has decided to jack it in and call it a day, knowing fully well he would be exposed and left hung to dry if he should have the courage to answer my four questions. I'll give you a notification mention, if he mans up and replies to them.

openmine:
Okay i await your submissions!
Though like i said the more you tarry,the more people like me think you have no point to offer!
Unfortunately,that's how i think!

I don't want to talk anymore until TV01 answers those questions so please don't and stop making it look like any form of nothing is happening, is due or down to me.

All you posted up there, them bible verses I mean, will, trust me, be dealt with when TV01, replies with his moniker handle to my four earlier asked questions.

openmine:

with all due respect to what you just said,its the same thing am still seeing just like the other thread!
There has been no single defence on your part to prove that the homosexual acts are okay with God!
All i see is replying scriptures with your own logic or opinions!

Like i have said which i have made explicit,use this opportunity to make your submissions with SCRIPTURES and corresponding scriptures so that others can also contribute and ask questions based on the scriptures you put forward....i dont like back and forth squabbles!

As for @bloodofthelamb, i think his submissions were made clear at the other thread which is what i expected when you invited me to this thread...However,all i see so far here is a trail of vocabulary induced e-war between you and TV01!

And with all honesty,i believe some scriptures that where presented by TV01 should have been refuted by you instantly using the same scriptures!

I also have my reservations when it comes to such abominable acts and my convictions are formulated with or without scriptures!

Hence,when i see such thread, I simply want to know the analogy behind such beliefs!

So without too much talk,please make your submissions on the issue of homosexuality WITH SCRIPTURES AND CORRESPONDING SCRIPTURES!

openmine, what does the title of the thread say, hmm? TV01 is the big hotshot who came out at me, so that is why I am starting with him and as well facing him. If only he just would answer those my four easy, simple, straightforward direct questions to get this whole matter properly started.

I know about all your reservations, it would be addressed, if just TV01 would answer those four questions. It is him holding things up openmine, talk to him

kkins25:
Hello, thanks for the mention @ muttley which unfortunately i didnt notice until now. Im getting ready to go to work but would be drop my opinion later.

I am glad you honoured the invite and made it here. You can drop your own opinion(s), once you dont mind, when applicable, it will be headed off with or by facts.

kkins, the fewer the facts one is aware of, the stronger the opinion(s) one has. This is why you'll find, even already in the infancy of this thread, that too many people on the thread, come on with full opinions and less half the facts.

It is better to know the facts, before forming opinions, as that wouldnt make you be like the rest of them, the likes of the TV01, shepherd00, etcetera, having a hard and tough time, accepting the facts of the truth and that I have moved on from the same place, but they are still in the same place. TV01, Shepherd00, elated177, jesusjnr and others have little or no regard for biblical and historical context, they only conveniently ignore it. Now TV01 knew I'll make mincemeat of him, that is why refrained from answering those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him.

Another day for making the Benjamins things, hmmm?

kkins25:
Do i believe homosexuality is ansin? HELL NO..

Correct guy, you head dey there gidigba, sharp, sharpishly o jaare.

kkins25:
Those the bible say homosexualism is evil??

The Bible never and nowhere, has ever said same sex relationship or homosexualism is evil. TV01 knows this. He knows if he should have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, he will be found out. The fear of getting exposed is the reason why he got cold feet and changed his mind from answering them

kkins25:
From the narrative of Lot and the angels one is led to believe that SS marriages is indeed a gruesome sin..

Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm? It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors

kkins25:
But i dont take the bible as moral authoruty because the bible has been dead for the past 2600 years....

The bible is alive, living and active. The bible is not dead, it is full of life and makes me come alive.

kkins25:
although it holds some core wisdom on human nature. However humanity cannot survive in this evolving world by following every word of the bible hence, science and philosophy is the new authority.

I doubt science and philosophy has ever been any new authority kkins because, check out this naaaaa, God, of course, in the Bible, can be seen to be the greatest Philosopher of all and also watch this kkins, science says, we need four basic elements to survive: Water, Air, Food and Light, but look at what Jesus did and/or said about Himself. He did and/or said: I am the living water (i.e. John 4:10, John 4:14, John 7:37, Revelation 21:6), breath of life (i.e. John 20:22), I am the bread of life (i.e. John 6:33, John 6:35, John 6:48 and John 6:51) and I am the light of the world (i.e. John 8:12, John 9:5, and John 12:46)

kkins25:
Furthermore, the bible is subject to perception bias. Why trust the interpreters? Brb

kkins, there is no better book than the Bible, which is God's instructional book for living and there is no better Teacher and Interpreter than the Holy Spirit.

openmine:
Good morning bro MuttleyLaff
I totally agreed with @bloodofthelamb submissions because he/she has presented its points based on the scriptures which so far i havent seen from the OP which is you!

openmine, where and when did bloodofthelamb present his/her points based on the scriptures, hmm? I dont see any from the below link
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult#78957324

openmine:
Secondly, i came hoping to see you start the thread by giving out scriptures and not to prove who has vocabulary skills on nairaland!

Would that then be my fault, if TV01 flat refused and refuses, to those answer my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him, hmm? There is something he is afraid of finding out that is why TV01 cant get himself to answer the questions and get me properly started on the thread

openmine:
I was actually expecting an initial brief on your points before trying to know if its a sprint or marathon!
This thread should be about education and not about trying to score points with your supposed adversaries!
First Make your points first with scriptures and lets start from there....

The education would have started to unfold if TV01 had the courage to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him but sensed something, like danger of getting exposed, so he developed cold feet and bottled up, just like Shepherd00 and particularly jesusjnr is fond of doing.

openmine:
Like i have said, since you are trying to present a point or two, your statements backed with scriptures should come first so that others can contribute....

Scriptures are already coming on the thread from me, more fast and furious to come, the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him

openmine:
the way am seeing it, its as if you are having an e-war with TV01...which will definitely end up in a vocabulary war and defeat the purpose of the thread!

I dont make it a habit having an e-war, nor do I run away from one

openmime, I was jejely minding my business, in the little corner of mine before TV01 came muscling up to me and gunning for me. It escalated to a point that all and sundry, where making loud hues and cries insistently telling me to respond to TV01, this is why the thread started with addressing his and Shepherd00 questions. There is this friend of mine known as Ranchhoddas or ThothHermes, he was among those fuelling the screaming for me to respond. He at one time had an insane score board with something like TV01 (7) versus MuttleyLaff (0)

All I want, is the opportunity to advance the truth, dispel the lies. I am not interested in any vocabulary war and defeat nonsense. Do you think, I havent got better things to do? That I am that bored and I pass time this way, hmm?

TV01 called me out, saying, I was this and was that, and everyone was hailing him, saying I have met my match etcetera. I kept my head down quietly until the birth of this thread for heads to begin to roll

openmine:
For me, i expected you should have started giving out your points....the more you tarry,the more people think you are either dodgy or trying to be clever!
Please present your points as soon as possible!

Then please I ask TV01 to kindly begin answering those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him

This is why I suggested having a referee for this thread, I kind of suspected that monkey businesses, would sooner or later be used on the thread. It hadnt taken solite3 and TV01 long to start indulging in them. Would you mind being a referee for the thread?

TV01:
You ain't seen nothing yet

"People who are proud will soon be disgraced. It is wiser to be modest."
- Proverbs 11:2

"Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall."
- Proverbs 16:18

When arrogance comes, disgrace follows and enters, then comes shame. It is wiser to be modest.

TV01:
Fear cash you abi

No, fear can nefa cash me, however I do know that, nothing is as dangerous as an ignorant believer and/or Christian, an informed enemy is to be preferred

TV01:
The scriptures are clear and have been universally accepted by Christian orthodoxy for 2'000+ years. Your "Just Yesterday" re-interpretation of scripture means it is incumbent upon you to clearly refute - with sound reasoning mind, not strident assertion - the former understanding and exegete a new one.

We would have advanced to doing just that, if only you had the mettle to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you.

TV01:
This is another example of you daring to sit as if you are God, which is rich given the way you let fly with invective against me to open your post.

Please, pretty please, please reproduce here in verbatim, the invective(s) I let fly and/or levelled at you. If you are unable to reproduce in verbatim the invective, then retract your comment and tender me your profuse apologies

TV01:
Muttleylaff, please show from scripture where God had infertility as part of His original creational design . As early as the OT, the promise to the Lords people of "none shall be barren" was clear. Further, all those with "closed wombs" would conceive after entreaty to The Most High.

Look at you, you never can see the woods for the trees. It is not my problem, if you can't get to grips with all I wrote in that section.

Please why couldnt you just have answered those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you instead of this theatrical pantomime act show you are putting on here

TV01:
God's created them male and female, instituted marriage and commanded them to "go forth and multiply". How did God (or your royal homosexualist who deigns to...I can't even say it ) expect the SS unions to multiply, or, have infertility as part of that design/plan.

SMH. You still dont get that, the whole thing isnt about about gender or procreation.

I just knew you would baulk at the sight of those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you and that you wouldnt attempt the questions

TV01:
Muttleylaff, why is there no archetype, pattern or shadow of ss unions - because it ain't there that's why? And only one blindly driven by lust or homo-mis-contextualist ideology would even dare suggest it is. Hian .

You are a smart person, but it is heart wrenching, watching and reading you keep on displaying the arrogance of an intellectual delighting in his own ignorance.

TV01:
Such blatant deceit - Eunuchs were as a result of the fall, not the original creation plan. And that is not a reference to SSA persons, it is physical defects in male sexual function or castration. You can lie . (ref - https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/1#78979660).

Did Jesus, not in Matthew 19:12a, state emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth, same way, some are born from the womb with same sex attraction, hmm? Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch, just as same as same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

TV01, just calm down to let me share a true life story incident with you, so that you'll get a bit of perspective from the "some are born from the womb" comment. The guy in this true life story incident, is a grown man now and enjoying a lovingly SSA relationship, supported by his mum, dad, sisters and brothers, I mean supported by the entire family, dog and all, in short, but his mum fondly recalls that, when he was three years old, he passingly, you know like innocent kids do, said her: "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry Daddy"

TV01:
And a whinger to boot - homosexualist, homosexually

You are borrowing a leaf from Sheperd00. Please dont do that, it is unbecoming of you, to be picking up after Shepherd00, copying his loutish and uncouth bad habit(s). I rather you answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you and that you made no attempt answering

TV01:
Ogbeni, you offer nothing. Nothing that merits time or attention. It's all bunkum. Ideologically driven balderdash.

"Homosexuality by scripture works in tandem with the love of the Christ preached."
- In The Universe? by MuttleyLaff: 5:29pm On Jun 02

"Well that's not what you're teaching, or perhaps you are in your own crass way which I warned you about but which you went paranoid on!

A good teacher must understand the level of the student and not confuse them with what is above their level least they do not see what they are being taught and have an excuse to refuse to learn."
- Re: Muttleylatff: What Does Homosexuality Serve In The Universe? by budaatum: 5:49pm On Jun 02

budaatum was trying to warn me, but I went paranoia on him. My apologies budaatum. I misunderstood you and so got the wrong end of the stick

TV01:
Again - The scriptures are clear and have been universally accepted by Christian orthodoxy for 2'000+ years. Your "Just Yesterday" re-interpretation of scripture means it is incumbent upon you to clearly refute - with sound reasoning mind, not strident assertion - the former understanding and exegete a new one.

Why don't you attempt a social argument for sodomy? Not that you can do so successfully, but you'd have much more traction than trying to make the case scripturally. You trip up with every statement. [s]Every utterance leads to blasphemy, illogicality, or a hot mess - you must get your orifices confused .[/s]

TV

Just answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at you and let the discovery(ies) begin o jaare

solite3:
mutteylaff you have no point

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult#78952845
You would say I have no point, as you'll say that, when you know you're beat, isnt it? Look at the above link, notice how you stylishly avoided answering my request asking, you tell me solite3, when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

You are no different to the rest and them, the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, jesusjnr etcetera hiding and scared stiff answering easy, simple, straightforward and direct questions put to you.

openmine:
I totally agree with all your submissions!

You will totally agree with all that bloodofthelamb submissions because you havent woke

openmine:
@MuttleyLaff
I came to this thread expecting a flurry of scriptures to buttress your idea or opinion that God sees nothing wrong with homosexuality and i was not impressed!
is this the thread you invited to or is there another?
I don't reply or react to personal opinions about a very important matter as this!
I need scriptures and corresponding scriptures!

I am glad and pleased you were able to make it to the thread. Welcome. I see you were expecting to watch a sprint, when in actual fact, it is a marathon.

These guys wont know what hit them, as they dont know what colour of bird, in my pocket, I am gradually pulling out. I have discharged a first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions at TV01. Hang about to watch, as the TV01 cookie gradually bellies up, falls apart, like something dunked in hot tea and crumbles

openmine:
You must also reminded that there are some undecided individuals who look up to you due to your maturity in the scriptures....Don't mislead them!

Thank you for your concern. Trust me, no harm and top of that, undecided individuals should ask question(s), all in order not to be misled.

TV01:
I asked you this;
1. The Lord Jesus referenced the creational purpose of male and female, was such a purpose creationally envisaged for SS unions? Yes or no.

And you responded as follows: A categorically big fat YES

Could you provide some sort of scriptural reference or backing for this please. Especially in light of the clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10

Why are you having this false air about yourself, as well has displaying unbearable arrogance, conceit and deceit, erh? You, by each and every post are increasingly becoming an insufferable bully. If you're becoming more conceited and arrogant like this, it makes one wonder what next to expect. You need to take in short deep slow breathes in, then out and calm down because I can cause you maximum damage that will deflate you overbloated ego. I easily can cause you pains, give you severe pains that you would make you grimace and you wouldnt know you winced. Please, by all means do comment, but try jumping down off your high horse and stop all this your proof-texting shenanigans, you've started all again in here, like you've been dotting all over the place elsewhere. SMH.

1/ What's in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10?
2/ What has Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 got to do with the homosexuality in my purview, huh?
3/ Where is in the Bible or where does God say SS unions are condemned, hmm?
4/ Why specifically, are you on about, saying: "clear condemnation of the act and the pathway for repentance, forgiveness and washing from the same act that is clearly outlined in the scripture. Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10"

So that I am not falsely accused of dodging your question, I'll indulge you and provide you with some sort of scriptural reference or backing for saying: "A categorically big fat YES "

TV01, the purpose creationally envisaged for SS unions, just as it is, for infertile couples, simply, is to love and be loved back in return

The scriptural reference or backing for this, in Jesus' words, please, is or can be found in Matthew 19:12a, where Jesus stated emphatically and/or publicly said some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth

TV01:
I again asked this
2. If no, without clear biblical writ, and with clear biblical proscription, in a Christian sense, can such relationships be considered moral or sanctified (by the qualifiers you endlessly repeat or any other way)?

And you responded as follows: "Not germane because my response was a big fat YES above."

Could you outline how the scripture speaks to this please

I repeat, this is not germane because my response was a big fat YES above and not No, so what are you going on about with here now, hmm?

I envisaged some sort of monkey business will unfold and so why I suggested that the thread have an objective and open-minded poster refereeing activities on it

TV01:
I also asked this
3. If yes, why was it nowhere modelled in scripture? What would be Gods blessing/outcome for them. Especially given how offspring & generational continuity are viewed biblically?

In the first set of questions, you responded "yes” to the first 2 questions without any reference to scripture whatsoever. The 3rd question you answered by quoting Proverbs 25.2, but without outlining how you had “searched out” Gods “concealed” plan for LGBTQ+, which presumably is what you were referring to? Yet failing to outline this revelation/enlightened exegesis, that everyone else has missed

In the 2nd set, you merely took the “forcibly read homosex into Gods intent and re-assert it” script, to new heights by saying asserting this:
"MuttleyLaff:
It is an incontrovertible truth that God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive. Through the wisdom and design of God, the idea provides consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults with a sense of belonging. We all agree and accept that the feeling that one belongs, is among the most important, in seeing the value in life. "

Basically saying that as God knew, therefore God intended. As God knows everything, does that mean that everything is good? Marrying this with your answer to 1 above, you are implying that not only did God know, He purposely created SSA people?

The incoherence of your logic and assertions is quite painful to work through, but only outdone by the totally thoughtless way you blaspheme. MuttleyLaff, before revelation came to homosexualists in the 21st century, did God create, know and intend homosexuals to suffer for 2'000 years because of the "blind orthodoxy" of the church. Is trans doctrine also Gods intent as we both agree He “knew” abut it, way before it became a thing?

MutlteyLaff, these are not considered responses and only serve to drag the discussion backwards.

Knowing fully well, my purview, you still, would type and talk like that, wouldnt you, as you usually do? Look at you, doing your, again, usual strawman mining stunts, like trying to embroil me into trans doctrine,. What has trans doctrine have to do with me, when my purview, clearly is about consensual adults in SS relationships, hmm?. If you want to introduce it, then fine, but I wont go into it with you yet until I've had the chance to get my questions in, edgeways uninterrupted by your red herring practices.

Listen TV01, when one thing is said, the clever person understands three but, hang on, I think, I have warned you before, to try learn to ride before jumping again, on your high horse, havent I?

Pearls don't lie on the seashore TV01. The desire for pearls, attracts and draws divers to plunge deep into the sea, and so, if one wants pearl(s), one must dive for it

TV01:
Feel free to ask any questions you may have, but since you have woefully failed to articulate anything meaningful to the quite basic ones I have asked, I am seeing this less as a scriptural discussion and more of an outright campaign by you in consonance with your unabashed LGBTQ+ advocacy.

TV

Thank you for kindly giving me the green light and floor. Time is a snitch, because it soon will tell, whether or not, I truly woefully failed to articulate anything meaningful to your alleged quite basic questions you asked me.

I think you're beginning to realise what you've let yourself into, you've bitten more than you can chew, you should have stayed away, like them shepherd00 and jesusjnr. This thread is not going to be a wham bam thank you ma'am 40 seconds man sprint, but is going to be a marathon. Nobody gets off this bumpy ride car before its wheels comes off.

1/ Do you agree and accept that though content is king, context is the king-maker?
2/ Please what is your understanding of how and why homosexuality, same sex attraction and same sex union is sin?
3/ What specifically is the evil with consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships?
4/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #2 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together
5/ Do you have biblical verses to shore up your response to #3 above? If you do, please share, so we both can self examine them together.

Sebi, you desire a scriptural discussion, hmm, let's see how much, you can face up to, stomach and hold down before you start retching them up, give up, call it a day and say you've had enough hmm.

titigenius:
You're very evasive

See me see wahala, Listen to the pot calling snow black. It is you who has been evasive, until now that you've just mustered some semblance of courage, similarly gotten after having taken double dutch

titigenius:
but, i'll answer you..

Very good of you that you are ready to "answer" me

titigenius:
The prohet Agur said the words of God are pure and advised not to add or remove.

"Do not add to his words, or he may rebuke you and expose you as a liar."
- Proverbs 30:6

Thank you very much for reminding us what the title of this thread is all about. That it is about deconstructing the Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union. You'll soon see, as we desconstruct, break down and up, the subject matter in toto, to uncover what were all the clobber biblical text verses, not saying, never said and/or did not mean. Deconstruct this myth that homosexuality in per se, is sin, an abomination and/or an act God finds detestable.

titigenius:
God made no mention of what type of sin they committed

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire"
- Jude 1:7

I took the liberty to help you reproduce Jude 1:7 to be seen above, because I know you know what it means to give oneself up to lust, fornication or the meaning of the statement: "I am guilty of fornication". That was what is part of Sodom's sin Ma'am, aside from the main and original one of being inhospital, aside not being hospital to people, aside being unfriendly and unwelcoming towards people.

"⁴⁹Behold, this was the iniquity (i.e. the sin) of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
⁵⁰And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. "
- Ezekiel 16:49-50

From Ezekiel 16:49-50 above, you can see why Sodom and Gomorrah was earmarked for destruction, this in fact, before they even embarked on their gang rape adventure, lusting after strange flesh and having unnatural desires. Na pesin wey get liver, who go wan try go fairk angels nau, no bi so? Which kind of desire be dat. Who does that? Who goes after strange flesh, who lusts after flesh wey no bi human flesh, hmm? Na wa ooo for the men of Sodom and Gomorrah, upon their original meanness, their lack of generosity, their close-fistedness, their unpleasantness, they on top it, desire and lusted after strange flesh, that arent human beings' flesh. This broken their camel's back, making judgement quick, swift and in a hurry one.

Have you now see how God made mention of what type of sin Sodom and Gomorrah committed auntie, hmm?

titigenius:
but, Paul in his letter to the Roman christians, specifically in chapter 1:26-27 said God's wrath or judgement is against men who have sexual relations with men, proving that God does not applaud such deeds. So where my friend did you get such knowledge from

You have just openly disregarded Proverbs 30:6 above. You've shown a contempt for Proverbs 30:6 by your flagrant violation of it. If I am to be given a pound for everytime, you guys, field up misrepresented biblical text verses, like you've done with "Romans 1:26-27" above there, I'll be a billionaire by now. SMH.

I wont address your "Romans 1:26-27" now, so I am advising you to watch out for TV01 responses to my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions at him. Hang about to watch, as his lot and your "Romans 1:26-27" cookie(s) gradually bellies up and crumbles

paraltero:
I would like a better understanding of what you mean by "pushing it in your face" because I know most Nigerians that say this just mean "I just have a problem with you being gay and everything it means".

Now another question: if you travel to a European or North American country and you're eating eba in public and a white guy walks up to you, visibly angry and accuses you of "pushing" your Nigerian culture in his face and making Nigerian culture look normal, would you be offended?

paraltero, dont mind shepherd00 at all, his unfounding fearmongering, unjustified suspicion and mistrust of other fellow human beings as himself. His paranoia knows no bounds, especially when same sex attraction people are as old as biblical days, as in, talking of periods before the land of Canaan was bequeathed to the Israelites. People who are gay, were few and far between, back then and will continue and always be few and far in between until the end of time.

Besides that, heterosexuality is always the norm and about 95% of the human race is heterosexual, so no panic, no cause for alarm about as he put it: "we will begin to have problems when they try to push it to my face and make it seem like it's alright, I shd accept their Uncleanliness because it's godly." sic

paraltero, ask shepherd00 what "uncleanliness" specifically is he rambling about and watch him mutter an indefensible answer. Sexual acts, that, whether its heterosexual or homosexual, requires cleaning up before and after. SMH.

budaatum:
I've never been hit on myself, but I was about to move into a shared room in a hostel many decades ago and was asked how I'd feel sharing a room with a gay person.

I was like "Yo! As you can see, I just arrived from Naija and no gays there so I don't know anything about gay. Will I be jumped on in the middle of the night?"

The interviewee laughed and told me "no", and I moved off the street into this large room in Earl's Court which I shared with two other people, one bent one straight.

In the middle of the first night all I could hear in the bed next to me was sex noise! Turned out the straight person brings a friend in to the room and they fuq all night keeping us awake! So after two days of it the gay person and I had the fuqer thrown out and another straight person moved in and we had peace.

My first, only and last. I was just about 1-3 months arrived from Naija too when that encounter happened. My missus still makes light fun joke about it with me, as I told her about it.

budaatum:
I was in that hostel for three months and remained good friends with the gay one for three years until we lost touch. And no Shepherd, there was no hitting on me, before you go saying I'm gay too!

Shepherd00? Pfft.

Shepherd00:
Oh well, I happen to be a Christian

If only more christians, properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians.

Shepherd00:
and not an ancestor worshiper. I don't do masquerades. What I do, i do here in the open not hiding behind masks.

Dont be daft, its a figure of speech, it is not meant to be taken literally

Shepherd00:
You can try responding to my question one at a time and watch me break your little empty chest you've been beating all around. Come on Muttley.

I said let me know when you've woken up

Shepherd00:
You can try and find out how miscalculated I am by answering my questions.
I should bring it all on? I have done so already by opening this thread that you try to evade, yet come in here to respond to other posts but won't touch the Op.

Using your line? lol. I opened this thread and either you respond to me here or you don't, but if you are not scared of the world discovering how hypocritical you truly are, you'd suck it up and answer my questions.

You were chief among those badgering me for a response, and I kept telling all of youse, that when its up, I'll mention and notify youse of where its at. Trust an impatient Shepherd00 person, play differently than a more patient person and impatiently go open up a rogue thread

Shepherd00:
Why did God design Homosexuality?

You henceforth will be conversing with a brick wall, as I am no longer, here, going to respond to you and any of your questions pertaining to homosexuality or similar, except it is posted and/or asked on the thread whose link is shown below:
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult

titigenius:
Like i said muttleylaff, their sins, and just incase you need clearer insight, sin is a tern used to describe offences against God. But i see you have a better understanding of what sin is and better knowledge of the reason for God's actions against Sodom and Gomorrah. Enlighten us please.

titigenius, we all grown on this thread, so let us stop playing at games, hmm?
titigenius, you said, and I quote you:"I hope you know or op that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins? ", so I gave you the perfect opportunity to say what you know, what you learned or what you were taught about the city, by asking you those two simple, easy, straightforward and direct questions
1/ What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, that had the city originally earmarked for destruction, even before the planned and attempted gang rape of those two angel that eventually had the city swiftly get destroyed titigenius
2/ What was the sin, the reason, why Sodom and Gomorrah was originally pencilled to be destroyed, even before the attempted gang rape of those two visiting angels and for that matter, against their consent, titigenius, hmm?

Shepherd00:
You can come in here to respond to other posts but won't respond to my post right? Can you tell me why?

It is because the masquerades and the entire villagers are assembled in the market square for the dance and not in your back yard

Shepherd00:
Is it because you know I will trash the living day light out of you?

I guess, you will trash the living day light out of me, in your dreams, right? Tell me, when you wake up, OK?

Shepherd00:
I have a tone of questions you have evaded, but don't worry, people are reading, they'd come into their own conclusions.

You dont miss a trick, do you, you've latch on to using my line now, havent you?
Bring them all on, bring them all to the below thread link, and watch how I'll tear them apart into smithereens.
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult

Shepherd00:
Liar. Homosexuality is written all over you, try as you may to lie to yourself that people won't notice, we see it.

Wishful thinking. I am sorry at your miscalculation

openmine:
WHAT? HOMOSEXUALITY IS GOD'S IDEA? ARE YOU FOR REAL?

Are you speaking from the bible or just based on your opinion?
With all due respect to you, please dont bring God into this homosexuality idea....you may be trying to encourage those who are undecided about homosexuality!
I would like to see your scripture backing before replying!

You are invited to below then:
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult

nairalandankrah:
There are certain things about the bible I have a tough time with, take for example the following verses. Moses speaks to his troops after a battle in which they won , " Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a
man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never
slept with a man." Numbers 31:17-18 .
I'm very troubled by this verse..

Please someone should help me understand it

Nothing to understand there or try to make sense of, except that it went down that way or manner, back in the days, because of divine judgement or retribution, if you like

Now like Image123 has advised in his comment, there are more important scripture to try get understanding of

budaatum:
Yes Shepherd, I don vex, plenty, but it is not really at you. Some cretin upset me and my anger is flowing into all my posts at the moment so much that I want to jump into the internet and stone him to death despite the fact that I am here telling you not to. The difference, though - nay!, my weak attempt at justifying myself - is that the pig wants to rape me while the homosexual is at least seeking my consent. Yet, I can not fail to notice my own hypocrisy which is why I am upset.

Find it in you to forgive me please Shepherd, for despite my claim that you misunderstand, my anger is not in anyway at you whom I love with all my heart and soul and being despite our difference in understanding.

This just reminds me, doing security guard work, back in the days, when this unfit looking and chubby geezer, one bright sunny afternoon, walked up to the secluded portacabin, where I was stationed at, in this business industrial units estate, poked his head in, and said something to the effect that, would I be interested and consent to us doing it together and that I'll handsomely be paid for the bother. I told him, in no uncertain terms, its not my kind of thing and so therefore where to sling it

First, only and last, I had a homosexual hit at me. Touch wood.

solite3:
sin is sin but they have different levels.
Have you heard of the sin against the Spirit? Why should the sin against the holy Ghost be unforgiven while other sins are, if all sins are equal?

you and Jesus who is right?

The sin against the Spirit is an exception to the general rule, that, sin is sin. If you sin in one, you sin in all, this is Bible solite3, and you know it.

solite3:
Matthew 19:4
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mark 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

The bible makes it clear that marriage is between a man and a woman not man and man or woman and woman.

Do you at all understand and know why you are behaving and brazenly acting as you are doing solite3, hmm? It's because you are inspired, from still following the law of sin and death.

What does Romans 8:1-2 say solite3?
Never mind, I'll say it here for you. It states that:
"¹There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
²For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. "

There is no law against love solite3. Guess what, there actually, is no law against homosexuality too. So homosexuality CAN'T be a sin then period, because sin is the transgression of the law and what law is being transgressed here?. None, nada.

Guess what again solite3, as believers, we aren't even under the law anymore, and this you can yourself, see and read from Romans 8:1-2 above reproduced. So solite3, we arent at liberty nor in a position of demonising and persecuting each other with it, the manner and/or way, the likes of how you and other people on in here this thread, do with consensual adult same sex couples in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful and committed life long untill death do them apart relationships.

solite3:
why do you compare homosexuality with lying if homosexuality is not a sin?

I wrote that if homosexuality is an abomination or a sin, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination or a sin, but then if it was or say for the sake of a solite3 argument it is, then it is just as bad as being a liar and/or lying. Now tell me solite3 when last did you lie and when do you think your next lie will be?

I typed hypothetically that way, just to show you, how hypocritical and sanctimonious you are. It is just like budaatum usually says, that, a lot of inexcusable people, look and point at the speck, in a brother's eye, but fail to notice, the beam log in their own hollier than thou eye.

1 Timothy 1:7, is a useful and informative verse. It says: "They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm"

solite3:
The bible is clear homosexuality is a sin and one of the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Sodom and Gomorrah was original planned to be destroyed before the city men's attempted gang rape of visiting angels. The city was already going to be destroyed before them trying to have carnal knowledge of the angels without their consent, so the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah really had nothing, nada to do with your figment of imagination sin of homosexuality

solite3:
Are an homosexual? Look onto Jesus for deliverance dont be deceived by the media satanic propaganda to make it look like a mere sexual preference.

I am not a homosexual. I am romantically and sexually attracted to the female sex

solite3:
Sin is when you prefer anything outside of God's choice.

And you are commiting sin by making unrightous judgement of a neighbour

solite3:
God from the beginning created marriage to be btw a man and a woman not a man and a man.

Marriage is a shadow model of a real thing, that means, something real that's in heaven. solite3, I bet you dont know that, marriage, as a matter of fact, is a union of the soul with God. There is no male or female in heaven, bet you've forgotten about that fact, as well

solite3:
If they want love they should repent and call upon the name of Jesus for deliverance.

They have love, they are at peace with themselves and with God. Homosexuals, are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good, wont do anyone any harm, their hearts are pure, they are faithfully, in love with one another until death do them apart, which all, is a good thing.

solite3:
Mutteylaff this topic has already been trashed.

You wrongly thought the topic and subject was trashed solite3

solite3:
Homosexuality is a sin but there is help for every homosexual out there. God loves you and extends his hands to you through Jesus Christ.

It's you, who needs help and not any homosexual in my purview because homosexuality per se is not a sin, was never deemed a sin

titigenius:
i hope you know or op that God destroyed sodom and gomorrah for their sins? observe the cry of lot a saint of the most high, he called their desire of wanting to have carnal knowledge of the angels who appeared as men sin and clearly the angels the angels did not in any way rebuke him. don't glorify the act in your bid to accept the people.

1/ Why was Sodom and Gomorrah originally earmarked for destruction before it eventually did get destroyed titigenius?.
2/ What was the reason, Sodom and Gomorrah was originally pencilled to be destroyed, even before the attempted gang rape of those two visiting angels and for that matter, against their consent, titigenius, hmm?

sulasa07:
Tell rapists, paedophiles too since they also want to to feel accepted too

C'mon now, who types something nasty like this, erh? Rapists and paedophiles that the Bible clearly and explicitly speaks against. Rapists and paedophiles that harm others. Rapists and paedophiles that forcibly take and often take without consent, hmm?

Ranchhoddas:
We have a new thread now?
Finally. This matter will be put to rest.
Ghen ghen ghen.

TV01 vs Muttleylaff

Rumble in the jungle.

Each should buckle up, and fasten their seat belts on this bumpy ride. It's no stopping before when the wheels comes off.

Would you be the objective and open-minded referee, needed on this thread? Or please advise of a suitable and/or capable poster?

sulasa07:
Homosexuals know that they are schizophrenic, they just want someone to tell them

Is Leo Varadkar schizophrenic?
Wrong, they want to be accepted for who and what they are. They want to love and be love back in return. They want to someone to tell them, they no more need to be, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera.

budaatum:
Chai Shepherd! I thought you were a Christian, yet, see the taliban in you coming out!

Like I said, when I preach Jesus Christ "let those without sin stone" to this your "stoned to death" God, which it seems I need not bother doing actually because God does not stone anyone.

In fact.....

.....Muttley! Your argument should not be trying to justify homosexuality by scripture! You should instead be teaching Shepherd, with Scripture, the love of the Christ he says he believes in!

Homosexuality by scripture works in tandem with the love of the Christ preached.