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Shepherd00:
You must using your altarego to like your post, for anyone who reads your junk and likes them is in a worst state than you.

Sorry man, your case is different.

Chai!! Na wa ooo, na so hin pain am reach, hin no sweet haters belle, say posts fit get likes. Sukẹ, sorry ooo, ndo pẹẹlẹ, go suck it up. The likes are harmless, they are just about those associating themselves with the truth for a long time going change.

shadeyinka:
He wouldn't give you an answer because the truth will destroy his high horse.
His arguments had been
1. The word "homosexuality" is a recent invention hence all the Greek translations that use the word is wrong.
2. Sexual immorality means reckless use of sex i.e. either non consentual or as part of orgies or with multiple indiscriminate partners.

On these arguments he had based all his theology.
Now, he had been presented with two Scriptures

And instead of directly answering the question asked, he wants to repeat flogging a dead horse: is it to bring it back to life?

An abomination is an abomination: it is at the level of what you call grevious sins deserving not less than EXECUTION in the sight of God.

He is a Gay and Homosexual, hence he wants to justify it as not stopping him being a Christian.

Fear God ooo brother, like I do.

Shepherd00:
I called him Gay before, I think I was right.

Mention any servant of God you know, MuttleyLaff is against them. He is against almost all known concepts of Scriptures, now I know why. He intends to keep the door freely open so anybody anything they like in the name of Christianity.

To think that I use to hold him in high esteem.

You are a Simon. You are like a reed plant, that sways on the river water bed, as when any wind force blows and pushes it, makes you move from one side to the other side. You aren't consistent, you go backwards and forwards or go from side to side. One minute, you'll say, he's gay, other minute, I am sorry for calling you gay because I know you arent, then next minute, I called him gay, I think I am right. SMH.

OkCornel:
Tufiakwa!!!

It is homosexuality and lesbianism today...

Next decade, it would be Paedophiles, necrophilia and bestiality...

Na so dance dey start from clap o...

The Bible categorically and specifically talked against paedophiles, necrophilia and bestiality, but not once against genuine homosexuality and lesbianism

Homosexuality and/or lesbianism are the least of the world's worries or problem to be concerned about

Shepherd00:
Sure we. To think that a professed Christian will boast and say in 5yrs a homosexual can become the president.

What MuttleyLaff just said here is that, satan will prevail over the Church. Man! this guy sha

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Lokatew Botswana decriminalized gay sex in landmark Africa case yesterday. Matter of time things. You dont need to be a prophet or be TB Joshua to know that Naija is, 5 to 15 years time, going to be next in line

May God forgive you for this your lie and have mercy on your ugly, dark, foul, wicked and evil soul

TV01:
One of the many ideological tropes bandied around these days is “sexuality”. The most frequent pronunciations are “heterosexuality”, homosexuality and “bisexuality”.

Nothing wrong with being any of them.

Let's get this straight and a bit in perpestive, hmm TV01. If you're an unrepentant rapist, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant arm robber, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant child molester, you're in trouble. If you're an unrepentant animal fairker, like being into fairking animals, you're in trouble.

If you're an unrepentant "animashaun-gbogbo-adugbo" unfaithful homosexual/lesbian/bisexual, it goes without saying, that you're in trouble
but if you are an adult, sexually attracted to a consenting adult of same gender or otherwise and stay being faithful, committed to each other, having a meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting that's a lifetime relationship with same person, as in, until death do youse apart, then you are alright and good to go because it at the end of the day, is not a matter of who you love, but is a matter and a matter down to how you love. Love reigns supreme and is eternal, on top of that, it is instructive to know that, in Christ and at the other end of this side of eternity, there is neither male nor female.

Trolls shouldnt start tearing their hair out and get freaked out, at the mention of bisexual above, because it is dead simple. Bisexuals find both sexes romantically attracted to, but just like heterosexuals that find the opposite sex to be romantically attracted to, can only be involved with one person or sex at any giving time. Sleeping around, having casual sex, having mutiple sexual partners etcetera is frowned upon in bisexuality, same manner, in heterosexual and/or homosexual relationships

TV01:
As “rights” & “freedoms” progress and expand, we are hearing of pansexuals, asexuals, and the like. This is the worlds narrative, and it’s a huge error for believers to adopt it. Please speak as the bible speaks!

If and/or when the "pansexuals, asexuals, etcetera" proverbial chickens come home to roost, you will sing a different tune. Continue

TV01:
The term “homosexual” is a neologism – coined barely 2 centuries ago. And, coined specifically to give a form of legitimacy and normalcy to same-sex behaviour.

This along with the word heterosexual serve to present a false dialectic, to suggest that naturally, a person is typically one or the other. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It gets worse. As the “progressive trend arcs towards individualism and people are allowed to label themselves as they choose, to “identify” as it were, homosexual is now seen as a category of person.

Not scientifically mind, nor legally. As homosexuality cannot be proven to be biologically determined and no legal code categorises persons as “homosexual”. The word is always – where cited – qualified by the word act, or described using the term sodomy.

TV01:
But let’s not stray to far from the scriptures, which after all form the basis of our understanding;

Romans 1:26 (NASB)For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

I particularly like this NASB’s rendering of these verses. Specifically it’s use of the word “function”. A number use the term “natural use”, which is fine, but I feel the word function is more apt in this case.

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I am re-pasting this screenshot here for you to re-look at. I am sure you see the list of abominations in it and also see, to whom relevant or each abomination applies to

Leviticus 18:24-30, is referring to what is abomination unto you and what is abomination to God (i.e. the screenshot clearly paints the details these)

Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa. Now Paul re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, because it is the same problem rearing its head and it isnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but is something else rearing its head, only that this time, it's doing it again, but now with the Gentiles

There is a strong common thread through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes you TV01

TV01,it isnt what you think and learned it to be. It isnt about committed, faithful, loving caring etcetera same sex attraction or relationship. You really need to, first step, review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, look into what "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means, it is only then that the epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, plus Romans 1:26-27 were, will occur.

It is an insufferable practice and that's why God is reprehensive about the detestable custom being practised

It's only ONE reason that this sexual sin, that this sexual immorality is condemned as committing abomination unto God
but sexual sins or sexual immoralities like, adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15, escape the mention to be condemned as committing abomination unto God

TV01, now, about Romans 1:26-27 and your favourite NASB rendering of it. Well, for your information and just that you know, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 as a matter of fact, is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 was issued, but is now, re-existing again in his time, just as I previously mentioned above, reared its ugly head in a different period of time, that coincides with the Gentiles in Rome.

Hang on, but Paul added that the custom came back rearing it head with a twist, notice in Romans 1:26b: ... for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially, was like Deja Poo, as in, Paul having the feeling that he had "seen" and/or read this crap happen before, like somewhere way back in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now, hey, it has reappeared double force, because the women too, are now doing and/or joining, as participants also. Men and women are performing sexual idolatry and pagan cult prostitution, as done with fertility gods/goddesses

India, is the last bastion of where this same pagan spirit, influence, belief or attitude custom practised by the Canaanites in Leviticus times and by those gentiles in Rome and Paul's time is still done. There are extra biblical records and museum artifacts corroborating this, even the Bible when read in its original textual form before its numerous mistranslations, tampering and falsification of original Bible text word's meanings confirms this too.

When God said, it is an abomination and that He finds the custom detesting. He effectively is saying, you are not subjecting yourselves in these acts on My behalf, I do not approve of these acts, you can't obtain favour, divine blessing or anything good from Me for indulging in this acts because I find it repulsive. It is not fair, it isnt right. It is foolery, it is a mistaken belief, it is self-deception, nothing good that you believe will come for doing it, will come out from Me for your doing it and so ergo, is an abomination to Me.

TV01:
You see, sex is a function. Human beings – male and female – were created sexually dimorphous (and that is science). An asymmetric complimentarity that "functionally" recombines in a whole, with an outcome.

The God-given natural sexual function of males and females is rightly expressed together - with each other. Ergo, I am not a heterosexual, no one is. Just as there are no homosexuals. To call someone a homosexual or, to identify as one is basically a category error.

What I am, is a normally functioning (in sexual terms) human male. Rightfully expressing this function within the confines of marriage with a complimentary human female - just as God intended. And to His glory, there has been an outcome. Hallelujah!

Hence my use of the word “dysfunctional” to describe ss acts, which the bible also terms degrading and unnatural. So, don’t adopt the worlds narrative, don’t be seduced by what is sold by the ruler of this world.

We have the word of its Creator, why would we not hold fast? Why would we pay heed to one who would attempt to marry the 2 diametrically opposed narratives in order to sell us the wrong one?

TV

You are contradicting yourself. If you arent a heterosexual and there are no homosexuals. What is your beef and hang up with homosexual and/or homosexuals acts

You might be a normally functioning (in sexual terms) human male, its good for some, isnt it, some like you, but unfortunately for some others TV01, which incidentally, could have easily be, any of your Mum, Dad, Brother, Sister, Aunt, Uncle, Niece, Nephew, Granpaps, Granma, Cousin, Friend, Twin, Son or Daughter they arent like you TV01

What comes easy, won't last, what lasts won't come easy. The thing about the truth is, not a lot of people can handle it. TV01, please reflect and ponder on this matter long enough, because, deep down, you know, it is a fact that the Bible, nowhere in it, has said that, a man should not love another man or that a man should not raise a family with another man, vice versa with woman

There are, I think three more of your posts outstanding I havent responded to. I'll swiftly respond to them as quickly and possibly as I can. I cant wait to respond to them three. You had too many gaping holes in the three posts, to say, they are competing with a Swiss cheese is an understatement. I am looking forward to chipping away more at desconstructing those bible verses you packaged up and wrapped up in lies and deceit.

TV01:
I think it’s good we do justice to this discussion and it would really enrich the conversation if others made submissions or participated by asking meaningful questions.

"That is and was a non question shadeyinka.

It is a question you are asking, to which the answer is so clear that it's not worth asking, especially after, I have advised you shadeyinka, since you were latching on to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, to please kindly visit the above link I pasted, and to read the bottom half for a quick "bring you" update and for getting a proper perspective of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Besides, I have in many sections, on this thread, deconstructed the myth(s) and lies perpetrated with Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

You wouldnt have asked that question, if only, you had dutifully visited that link I volunteered,
but never mind and in order of me, not to be accused of prevaricating, the answer to your "very simple and straightforward question", very simply and straightforwardly is an obvious big fat No."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 8:26pm On Jun 08

Others have this irrational feelings of hostility that prevents them from asking meaningful questions, just like shadeyinka as seen above asking me that his a non question

TV01:
I also think it will help to revisit points and delve a little further. With that in mind, I’d like to revisit Matthew 19:12, which MuttleyLaff cited in an attempt to make a case for his position.

This is a thread opened because of a tireless pursuit of what is true, as in, to separate facts from fiction, to separate facts from lies, so please be my guest, as I dont mind you revisiting points over and to delve a little further, as what matters to me is truth revealed and be told.

Now for the record, the case and position I made with Matthew 19:12a, is that the Jesus comment "there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb" was synonymous for and encompassed SSA person (i.e. homosexuals/lesbians) Mind you, before some trolling person starts to get ready to misquote me, I havent said, all "eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb" are homosexuals.

Now, it is fact that, Jesus, in Matthew 19:12a, stated emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth, same way as eunuch, some are born from the womb, that way with same sex attraction tendecies. Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch(s), just as same as with same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

TV01:
Lets read it in full;

Matthew 19:12 (NKJV) - For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”

Now it’s quite obvious – especially to a literalist like me

What a pretense. I laughed too, at you, calling yourself a literalist.

TV01, before you set off digging into Matthew 19:12, let me quickly first ask you about what the scripture says in Leviticus 20:13, as shown as follows: "If a man lies with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

Do you notice the Leviticus 20:13b part there, hmm? Have you been man enough to be literal, thrown stones yet to kill homosexuals, hmm? Oh no, your balls suddenly have shrivelled up at the prospect of you needing to be a literalist huh? Whats your excuse for having not to stone to death your homosexual neighbour, a fellow man, human being like you now, huh? I think for you, it seems like a good and right time to cherrypick parts of scripture, isnt it, hey?

OK, here is another one, why haven't you yet gouge out your eyes when you sin (i.e. Matthew 5:29) hmm? Or here is a good one, why don't you stone non-virgins (i.e. Deuteronomy 22:20-21) ehn? I bet you, most posters and their missus(es) on this thread including yourself and HRH, your madam weren't virgins. What happened to being a literalist there, ehn?

Ah, I've got more, plenty sef. Why do you wear clothing woven of two kinds of material (i.e. Leviticus 19:19) hey? Why do you eat catfish that has no fins and scales and other sea foods, like lobsters, crabs, shrimps etcetera (i.e. Leviticus 9:10) erh? Or why don't you give your other belongings, when you are sued in court (i.e. Matthew 5:40)

Cheyyyii!! You be confirmed and bonafide literalist indeed. You arent a literalist, as you dont literally follow the bible, you only follow and use the Bible, like a "far-to-see" Pharisee, to attack harmless, caring, loving, minding their own business minorities.

TV01:
that this verse is referring to eunuchs or in a sense, men that had congenital sexual dysfunction that makes them incapable, men who had been castrated, or men who were committed to living a chaste lifestyle.

That is celibacy, be that congenital, forced or chosen. Men not having any kind of sex, let alone consensual “homosex” . This is buttressed by reference to verses 10 & 11, which are about marriage and the consequences of not marrying – celibacy!

How I wish and pray, you read other bible texts in context, just as you've just demostrated above that you are capable of doing with Matthew 19:12

TV01:
Reading from verse 3 see’s that the whole discussion is about marriage and its indissolubility.

Good, good, good. Another contextual reading attempt, keep it up, but the as for the "indissolubility" stance, is this applicable even in the face of adultery, domestic/marital abuse etcetera, hmm?

TV01:
In short it’s about marriage - between a man and a woman, or not marrying.

TV01, marriage is a shadow model, of a real thing, that means, it's of something real, as in, that's in heaven.

TV01, I bet you dont know that, marriage, as a matter of fact, is a union of the soul with God. There is no male or female in heaven, bet you've forgotten about that fact, as well.

God accepts everyone who is not harming another, who is kind and loving. Sexuality is secondary. Love is primary and supreme. It isnt about who you love, but rather, it is a great deal more about HOW you love

TV01:
Sex is sanctified when it's between a man and woman in a marriage union. It is not sanctified by consent! And sex outside of these confines is illicit. Fornication and adultery first, then, other forms, homsex, paedophillia, bestiality etc. which are illicit, but even more, abominable.

What is this your fixation and obsession with sex about sef gangan? Dont you know that sex is overrated ni?

If you must insist on sex, then having is legitimate, binding, free from sin and pure, if, whether homosexual or heterosexual, it is between two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, at peace with God and in truth, their intentions are good, they arent doing anyone any harm, their hearts are pure, they are faithful, caring and supportive to each other, they are in love with one another until death do them apart.

TV01:
It is often claimed by the homosexualist advocate that this verse is in reference to “homosexuals” or men that are not attracted to women, that is SSA men, ergo gay.

However, according to the ideology typically trotted out, one cannot be forced or choose to be gay. So MuttleyLaff (and those championing the same cause), pray tell, what reading of this verse makes it relevant to this discussion – other than if it is perverted to make the case?

TV01, the relevance to this discussion, is as I already have above advanced, some people have the tendency to have homosexual behaviour because partly due to epigenetics, meaning they are born from the womb that way, whilst on the other hand, others just adopt to be gay, they do so for paganistic ritual reasons, do so for financial reason or whatnot, case in point of the latter, will be our own and home grown, Denrele, Bobrisky etcetera

TV01, you recall a true life story I shared earlier on this thread, hmm? Never mind, I'll repeat it here so that you'll get a bit of perspective on that my "some... due to epigenetics, are born from the womb that way" comment. The person, in this true life story incident, is a grown man now and is enjoying a lovingly same sex attraction relationship, supported by his mum, dad, sisters and brothers, I mean supported by the entire family, dog and all in short, but here is the most interesting part of the story and my favourite part of the story, his mum fondly recalls that, when the man was three years old, he passingly, you know like innocent kids do, that very one bright early morning day, said to her: "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry daddy"

How does one explain, a three year old boy coming out and saying at that age, that when he grows up, he wants to marry Daddy and not Mummy, hmm TV01? It comes from the pit of hell, right, I second-guess hearing, you say, hmm abi? Isnt it?

TV01:
You see not only is there no scriptural backing for intimate ss relationships, scripture expressly prohibits such. Further, the whole of the scriptural writ normalises the union of male and female. From beginning to end. Starting with the first marriage in Genesis, to the wedding supper of the Lamb in Revelation.

TV

Give it a rest TV01, because you know there no scriptural backing against intimate same sex relationships. Scripture never expressly prohibits it, if it did, God wouldnt have allowed David and Jonathan's SS attraction/relationship to make it into the Bible. Now, wait for one troll to quote me, as saying they are gay or had godly homo love.

Clearly, there is no where in the Bible that faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex relationships is called a sin or condemned.

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MuttleyLaff:
All you've been doing is strawman mining and deviating from the subject title of this thread. If we had a referee, you would have been given a series of yellow cards, if in the absence of getting a red card

Is "Oga" English?. SMH. Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Pẹlẹ ma binu"

openmine:

Oga your perennial echolalia of "strawman mining" is getting rancid and mouldy!
And your neoteric iteration of yoruba dialect is a new one!
Did my uppercut responses intimidate and ultimately retrograde you into an acrolect mode?

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I use all sorts of languages and dialects in my post. Go check my profile and the post history for proof, aside from the screengrab above, showing it never is a new thing I do, like you lied about

Ranchhoddas:
Which kind grammar be this
Cc: KingEbukasblog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM6AfzXMvc

Dont mind him jaare, thats how crybabies star do. Like he do. "Wen, wen, wen, wen you see a star. Dis star like to talk too much, and if you vex star, star go gif you punch too." Ranchhoddas, thats how pseudo-intellectuals and bombastic persons do. Dats how star like him do.

Lack of social grace, makes some, try too hard to look smart and so start using incorrect and inapplicable big English words like "echolalia, neoteric" etcetera

openmine:
Oga you talk too much!
Saying that what you just posted is a load of drivel is an understatement!
When a guy denies his own words,then you know he can even deny his own name!
It took you ages to accept your very words that you put up about God Supporting homosexual acts....such person can deny his own shadow!
You always play the victims and sentiments card when you have been caught napping!
The only advise I will give you is to be careful what you say,but I doubt if you will heed to such advise since you are likely to make another gaffe in future and still deny it!
Next time look before you leap!

Saved for future purposes/references in case you suddenly develop another 'amnesia' while reading!!

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*Drum roll please!: ... and the award for the thread's best liar goes to openmine

The truth always comes out one way or another and so with the four above screenshot grabs, I have exposed your subterfuge and lies against me. A liar's worst eneny is someone with a fairly good memory.

You isolated my comments from the events and points that lead up to them, you showed my comments only just to make up lies of me, misrepresent me and to mislead others by presenting them, only just as the segmented boxed stars shown above.

I knew you took my comments out of context and lifted them out, in isolation of how they came about, but what I now dont know about someone like you, is how you can tell so many barefaced fanstatic lies about me, not feel bad about it and continue to still make up further and more lies about me, like lying about what I've said, without minding how or considering the preceding circumstances behind why I said whatever it is I might have said. I dislike liars intensely, like you and what you've done, actually especially for lying, when all I was doing was keeping it real on the thread.

I have resigned myself to not again exchange with someone like you, who believes their lies about me, concocted up in their own head. You cant constantly be lying against me and expect me to remain interested in you because compulsive or pathological liars like you are, are very difficult to have an engagement with, and you've betrayed the trust, of me taking anything you anymore say on face value.

The lies didnt bothers me, it's the way you used the lies to twist matters up to suit your agenda and never felt bad about that plus aside the fact of your make up lies, it was how you showed to everyone that you are a troll and heckler here to disturb the peace and be insulting.

I wish, you ignore me, same way, I am just about after this post going to start ignoring you

# Ignore Mode ON. Poof!! Magic.
# Phew!! The unclean and lying spirit has been too long strong out in here

openmine:
Bros you wan give person work when person get work to do abi?
Okay!
Theory is to research what doctrine is to scriptures!
You can't make a single hypothesis without the utilization of samples or researches..same is applicable to doctrines...Scripture must be seen to correspond or be in sync with scriptures to have a well defined doctrine!
A half baked doctrine like tithe payment will definitely encounter a logjam esp when scriptures are there to resist such teachings!
No scripture is of private interpretation just as an individual theory without varying researches can't stand the test of time!
What am simply saying is that postulations must have a fulcrum or base that it must stand on!
If you are making an assumption or theory using God as a base for argument,then you must access his scriptures as a baseline!
These scriptures must be simplified,comprehensive,straightforward and inspired by the holy spirit!

Dont worry about that anymore. I've found where the comments are and the contexts surrounding them, so "karamọse" bring in the benjamins, your madam and bom boy are there to look after naa

Like I thought you did, you did actually lifted my comments and isolated them from the circumstances that formed the setting for me making those comments.

I keep it real because I am not afraid to make or have enemies, but sheesh!, with you and the extent of what you've done with those your devious stunts you pulled on me, who needs enemies?

I am now putting together and presenting the the historical context of my comments you cherry-picked from, and presented in such a way to discredit me and make me appear bad. I dont know how someone can descend to this level to concoct false doubts this way, just so as to make me look less honest. Na wa ooo, all just because harmless, gentle, easy going minding their own business same sex couples' issues.

Anyway, it is well, let me continue getting this up for presentation here. "Ah mo juba" loosely translated means "I hail thou"

I have said this before, that, at appropriate times, appropriate scriptures will be shared

openmine:
Oga you dey find talk!
I have given you what you requested for!
Whenever you are making a postulation or theory esp one that is as controversial as yours,making your submissions and the base of your argument which is providing scriptures should be key!
Explicit and straightforward!
Even controversial topics as tithe was done in such a manner that one can view them using scriptures!
This was what I have been saying all along!
However,when you leave gaps on your patchy theory and expect people will swallow it hook,line and sinker,then you are in for such reactions!

Its good to talk naa.

If I may ask you what were the circumstances I had that brought up the postulation or theory. The patch theory as you put it, were content, now openmine, what was the context of those content please.

openmine:
Na you sabi

From what you've pasted up there, it comes across that the author wasnt necessarily going to spoon feed anyone, as actually was expecting them to lift things themselves, as opposed him giving them stuff on a platter, don't you think openmine?

Never mind, when I get behind my MAC, we'll find out

openmine:
Oga if you want i can help you screen-grab that place for you!
In-fact, let me go back and check if you have 'mistakenly' edited your own words!
I no trust you!
Even the guy dey deny him own words!
Context kor content nii
Abi you write am in greek or hebrew where you wan find context on-top wetin you write by yourself?

Please do, with the context that led up to me making the comment showing also in the screen grab. Thank you

TV01:
...ButtleyStraff right now

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TV

Naija will catch up and stop stripping people stark naaked
Naija in five to fifteen years time, will have same sex persons in government. Mark my words

Good buff and fit body though.
The knight in shining armour at the end carried her in his arms. Ended good at the end.

openmine:
Thats has been my issue with you all along!
You left the scriptures that will intro you submissions to dispute other scriptures that other held onto!
You were unable to offer no scripture to back your claims!
The ones you even managed to muster were unrelated and unconnected verses in Matthew 19:12 and Romans 8:1-2! Huh

So its simply means that God loves homosexual acts nah
Isn't that what i said that made you say i am misinterpreting you?
Don't you know that whatever you permit or tolerate only implies that you love it?
We no dey english class ohh

Expose on lies and myth using SCRIPTURES Oga!
Don't omit that part in your earlier submissions!
For once say the truth and eat your humble pie!

And yet you were accusing someone of the same thing you are doing right now.....
Practice what you preach!
These are your very words....Don't take us backwards

I can't on my smartphone see the original URL link to my post you pasted up above. I will wait until when I get on MAC to review and prove you got everything wrong especially about the context of the content you brought up

openmine:
When someone gives you a dose of your own medicine, you protest!

Which kind dose of your own medicine is that ehn? Why not show me, where I've called you or any other poster small boy like Nodogragra4me did, hmm?

openmine:
Making such statements can only mean you never had scriptures to back your claims...no?

Making that statement was said in relation to the Bible verses that have been twisted to mean and say things the original text never said nor meant. Those were the scriptures that I was expecting and planned to deal with. The claims I made were against the lies, I was unrevealing

openmine:
You are putting too much words on this!
Or let me make it easier for you before you say you were wrongly misquoted!
God permits and allows homosexual acts..YES OR NO?

You of course, know my answer is Yes. I have never hidden or sat on the fence about that.

openmine:
Ohh yes you did!
Fortunately,my recent posts dont lie!
No matter the title of the thread....when the body lies,the entire thread including the title gets robbed of the truth!
Next time,be straight forward with the persons you intend inviting to such threads!
I believe the reason why you are not getting much support or inputs from advocates of SS unions on your thread is because you made it seem like you had scriptures to prove that God permitted such acts!

I invited all and sundry to come witness the expose done on the lies and myth as the title of the thread tells. You know what my primary and major objective was

openmine:
Another barefaced lie that may end up being rejected by yours truly!
Oga lets face it...you have none!
And that's the saddest and most worrisome part of this discus!
Next time, dont claim or boast about what you can't do!

Why don't you put here verbatim what I typed and lets both examine it contextually

openmine:

Its always people like Nodogragra4me who are cerebrally small who would see and call others they know nothing about, they haven't met, small boy.

Nodogragra4me:
The same applies to you. You don't know your league
Having read a couple of badly written so called history books you imagine you were ready to take on anybody . Small boy

I am sorry, I immediately had you in mind, when I saw your post reply on the other thread, but as you can see, I am caught preoccupied here on this thread. I will catch up with on there as soon as possible, as I was looking forward to taking you up on your arguments there. Please wait for me to come over there. We will have a ball.

Where did you get the idea that I read from history books, hmm, badly written or not, eh?


Please can you mind your language, who is your small boy here, hmm? Respect is a two way traffic, get your manners in check. Thank you, if not, then don't bother commenting anymore

openmine:
Guy you are running around in circles which is your trademark so am no perturbed!
What again is NOTHING UNTOWARD?
How can you write something you cant defend only to claim that you have been misquoted or misinterpreted!
You first denied that i never said you would give out scriptures,that was busted and you started negotiating by asking for a backtrack
You then denied that i quoted you out of context....
Abeg make i ask you....what is the contextual meaning behind NOTHING UNTOWARD?
Abi e get Hebrew meaning way you insert there?
Its so difficult to know where you stand...one minute you are saying God permits and allows homosexual acts(consensual or not),the next minute you are backtracking such statement!
Chai

I can defend what I wrote about the lies perpetrated by falsifying original Bible text meanings about myth and Bible verses made to look as if same sex relationships and acts are to be hated.

Nothing untoward, means, there is nothing in the clobber verses you and others band about that originally ever said anything against homosexuality and same sex relationships or unions. Have you got it now?

I never backtracked, never flinched but was trying to accommodate you by being fair, generous and open handed. I never denied anything, what I said is you are asking me something that isn't in the remit of why thread was opened. The thread's title is self explanatory about the objective of the author.

I can easily answer you, as I have and did advance the information already somewhat in my long post, but I know, you wouldn't follow and reciprocate after I've answered you

openmine:
Guy relax...i know your people!
Stop trying to act like the victim!

I am not concerned about sympathy. I am not acting like a victim, I just said, you got the wrong end of the stick about the cc

openmine:
Maybe this might jog your memory since you seem to have reading amnesia on my responses....

I almost fell down from my chair while laughing at your fast and furious grandstanding!



Okay I believe you can fully comprehend your word usage? no?
These are your very words.....


What do you mean by NOTHING UNTOWARD?
Let me assist you....
According to baba MuttleyLaff,
In pidgin:God no see any thing bad with man and man way dey nak each other!
In english:God sees nothing wrong with a man having se.x with another man!

Now show me.....where i took your words out of context!

You took it out of context and the fact that I made that comment and similar ones during and when talking about the lies orchestrated with misinterpreting and using falsified translated words in Bible verses like Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 etcetera

openmine:
Forget all these shenanigans!
I know your type!

You think you know my type.

openmine:

Please take it easy with him my brother!

I fell sorry for him too. I thought he was a scholar, that he likes information and knowledge, that he reads

shadeyinka:
Thanks my brother.
A simple question and he claims the answer is in volume 16 and 17 of the encyclopedia of lascivious living and that I should go and read

shadeyinka:
##

What of I, that wrote it. I that spent precious time and slavish effort to comprehensively and justifiably share such information. It was even a second attempt after a previous inadvertently got deleted.

People are now used to fast food, quick meal these days, to read more than 6-7 lines of text have become a serious bother

You knew what would have happened if you stayed on the thread with me. I would have showed you how lie like a cheap Persian throw rug . You knew that by the time, I was done with you, you would come out and fall apart, like a cheap suit, that has its loose thread yanked and pulled.

openmine:

I am on my own!
if the people you cc'ed have refused to help you out,its because they have discovered your mischief and evasive skils

I too, I am a one man Mopol. None in the posters cc'ed can support me or help me because they share with you, your same hatred for homosexual and/or homosexuality acts.

openmine:
See how i have made this guy turn into a broken 1960 record....
When you are ready to provide scriptures that says God adores and loves homosexual acts, then i will gleefully and elegantly show you mine!

Are you serious about this? Can you be trusted you will show me yours, if I show you mine, hmm? No dirty minds here people, abeggy jor

openmine:
And at the risk of accusing me of misinterpreting your own words,i would like to remind you that You are the one who said God sees nothing wrong with homosexual acts consensual or not! right?

You lift out extracts of my text and take it out context

openmine:
Unnecessary sentiments filled with endless balderdash!
I can do whatever i want with your statements!
If you dont like it,come and beat me

Me kẹ, beat you, I no fit naa, who dash monkey butter?
Big man, Mr Hotstepper, make I postrate for ground, make una come mash me upandan all over, na only you fit, awọn alagbara

solite3:
nope I dont think so.

Good

solite3:
I prefer a direct and precise response.

So you do accept and agree that I did and have advanced a response, ehn?
You are doing and playing an Oliver Twist "I want more" card, asking for more, after I have already given as much as needed to be given at this point of time. My remit isnt at all, for now to show where God support homosexuality in the Bible because I am more concerned about shaterring the myth and exposing the lies perpetrated against consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union. Please respect that.

solite3:
I wouldnt lose sleep over it.

I wouldnt either over your question too

solite3:
please do. Also explain how God define marriage as between a man and a woman and any other sexual relationship outside that is defilement.
will you change God's definition by adding or subtracting from it?

Now you are talking, because this is exactly the reason for opening this thread, to talk about the "adding or subtracting" done to the Bible in order to portray same sex attraction and relationship acts as wrong, evil bad and something to hate

solite3:
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

paul calls same sex affection as vile.

if it is harmless and acceptable why was it called a vile affection.

Paul never called faithful, truthful, loving, trusting caring same sex relationship done in privacy. He actually was referring to sex acts done in ritualistic temple, sex orgies settings etcetera vile affection. He was talking of heterosexual couples prostituting themselves temple prostitutes for financial gain etcetera, behaving as gays, when naturally they arent

openmine:
Oga, chief and royal highest MuttleyLaff...the earth shattering master with fast and furious hammer ...Please respond to the highlighted!
The rest are unnecessary sentiments!
Either you do so or you stay silent or better still ask your advocates that you cc'ed to help you out!

You do know that 100% of any moniker I have cc'ed on this thread are allies of yours hmm? They each share your sentiments and hatred of same sex relationships, so now tell me, how come they are my advocates or me asking them to help me out, hmm? Think about it now openmine, it isnt rational reasoning. Who does that huh?

Again, biko, do you have scripture(s) where God does permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?

Dont disregard the thread's #9 rule of not to be changing posters' comment and misrepresenting the original content, pack that silly habit in already please. People have perfected this art so much from exposure to how original Bible text meaning was changed and strange unoriginal words were introduced into the Bible, they have brought the practice to this thread, na wa ooo. Are you a yahoo boy? #NairaMarley

openmine:

You are making a serious and dreadful mistake if you think I will fall for your cheap and crappy games!
You can't eat your cake and have it!
You are the one who gloated in a boastful manner that you had earth shattering and mind bugging scriptures that will come in a fast and furious pace!
On realising that your claptrap has ended up in smokes after exposing your insincerity,you now try to backtrack your very words by taking it back to me in form of a question!
Guy it doesn't work like that....
You claimed you had scriptures to back your claims right?
Now,do well to present them or call on one of your supporters to assist you since you have run out of ammo!
Just a reminder since you have suddenly developed amnesia.......
MuttleyLaff:
SCRIPTURES are already coming on the thread from ME, more fast and furious to come, the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him
Good morning!

Ah, Chief, please dont be like with how others or some do with bible verses, take out of context whatever I might have typed nau. Please have the decency to consider, whatever you see me type, in context with the content nau. So I ask you the simple easy, short, direct and straightforward question again. Good morning to you too!.

Do you have scripture(s) where God does not permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?

openmine:

This 'ibereberism' guy wan use format bribe me

Oga MuttleyLaff We don't need a backtrack or invalidation!!
That should have been your initial setup!
I warned you about this during early days of this thread but your over-bloated ego didn't allow you see palpably!
You started on a faulty foundation and you now want to retrace your steps?
You want us to start afresh now that i know what your nefarious motives are? smh

openmine, ọrẹ, it is a simple easy, short, direct and straightforward question nau.

Do you have scripture(s) where God does not permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?

openmine:
Dishonest and evasive guy
Eat your very words and let the world see your dishonesty on display!

Do you have scriptures to back your submissions Mr MuttleyLaff?

Fast kor furious nii


....and



So where does it say that God approves of homosexual acts?....MuttleyLaff we muffled since then!

How does God view homosexual acts based on the scriptures?

Untoward: inappropriate,inconvenient

In other words,God sees nothing wrong OR God approves OR God permits homosexual acts according to Mr MuttleyLaff!

After running from pillar to post...before he finally admitted that.....


After all the evasive schemes,he finally vomited the truth!!!
Chai chai eleyi gidigan


Even the least knowledgeable person can see through your dissimulation and apparent prevarication right from the outset!
Your obviously brazen ego will be your greatest undoing!!

Ogbeni openmine, lets rewind. Wipe slate clean OK?
Now, openmine, it is a simple easy, short, direct and straightforward question. Do you have scripture(s) where God does not permit homosexual acts? As in consensual adults in a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?

openmine:

The chicken has finally come home to roast!
...and yet you were querying some one for not standing the heat!
Next time you open a thread, be straight forward from the outset!
Now start your submissions without including God or scriptures!
What a load of gobbledygook!

Music to my ears!

4/ Strawman mining is not permitted
5/ Important to know about Bible content being king, but also agree and accept that it's Bible context, who is king-maker
7/ Exegesis, concerned with discovering the true, honest and exact meaning of Bible text(s), as opposed to eisegesis, should be the rule of the day.
8/ Dont fire questions after questions, in attempt to prevent the other poster(s) getting words in between, as it'll be reported to the referee
9/ Dont distort, dont misrepresent whoever's post you are commenting on or responding to, as this will be brought to the attention of the referree

I envisaged somebody like you, that is why I had the foresight for the above ground rules you blatantly disregarded and/or flouted. With such a dark ugly hateful soul, as you have, you must reek of sulfur. Good riddance.

openmine:
Oga stop your evasive tactics and give scriptures to back you claims or shut it!

Listen, because I am not going to repeat myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'scriptures' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!". The title of the thread is self explanatory enough, so please, get that straight. Thank you very much. Go troll and heckle on another thread

budaatum:
You are daft. You must have missed what I did to a Sexy Pair of Legs I saw kissing! You are daft not to notice that it isn't me you are to convince. And you are daft if you think diverting to me would enable you to divert from providing a response to those who've asked you for one!

openmine was not asking what he should do to gay people, a response to which you've dribbled again below. His request, in case you've been missing it all along, was "reel out 'scriptures' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!"

You sure are now starting to behave as if like a blockhead.

You that didnt read and defiantly declared wouldnt read what I posted, now has the audacity to poke his nose, stick his grubby fingers in my face and leave a knife in my back. My remit was to descontruct the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same Sex Union. What are the lies and myth?. They are based on falsified meanings of original text and misinterpreted out of context biblical verses, those were my remit. I have nothing to do with being pulled over at whim, derailing the thread to pacify anyone or giving them support in their bigoted and predijuced stance. I opened this thread to do an exposé. I am not on trial, this not an inquisition set up and headed by openmine. openmine should have queried me on scriptures I have said are misinterpreted. He knew he will be exposed so he thought he will send me on an "arodan" errand. Of course, you know what "arodan" is, but I am not joining him in his futile games, as I didnt open the thread for that. I have already told him the grounds upon which I will oblige him, and that is notwithstanding the fact that I had actually in the first part of my 3-part long post had advanced information to the effect that said the below:

"To those, getting very well tuned in to this frequency, there is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus times, building "church" for the Israelites. There is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus time seeking Him. There is evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s) and not for a single moment minded or be bothered about that. Where is the evidence of Jesus objecting to adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera, hmm?"

I opened this thread, I have the final say, especially since in the absence of a referre. I know when to type on it and when not to type. I know when to answer questions asked and when not to answer them. I know when someone is trying to deviate from the mission I set the thread up for and when they arent. I know when sincere questions are asked and arent asked

You saw how TV01 and Shepherd00 actually section by section, especially TV01 beautifully were trying to counter salient points they thought I seemed to be making. It was brilliant, I loved their effort and their sincere doggedness. openmine on the other hand, just did a "jawango", then dedicatedly trolling and spamming the thread

The bible didnt precisely say, a man should not have sex with another man, nor a man should not love another man or a man should not raise a family with another man. It is those lies centering around making believers and christians to be homophobic, intolerant, discriminative and prejudice that I am exposing. If or when I open a thread titled "God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts" openmineis more than welcome to come on it and ask for scriptures where God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts

I already have given him an offer until when such thread sees the light of the day, if he provides me with the answer, I will oblige him his question likewise.

budaatum:
Your juvenility is boundless!

In case you have not noticed, the question to you was "What does scripture say God permits? It's rather late for a deconstruction on page 9 wouldn't you say?

I guess this might be a day when brain is on leave.

Dont be daft budaatum, does the scripture say anything about you flying in aeroplanes, hmm? Does the scripture tell you about talking trains, buses and cars to work, hmmm? Does the scripture say God permits you to wear spectacles or sun shade glasses, huh?

OK, let's flip it a bit, on the other side, this is what scripture says in Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

Do you notice the Leviticus 20:13b part, hmm? Are you man enough to throw the first stone, hmm? Oh no, your balls suddenly have shrivelled up at the prospect of you having to stone to death your neighbour, a fellow man, human being like you now, huh? It seems like a good and right time to cherrypick parts of scripture , isnt it, hey?

OK, here is another one, why don't you gouge out your eyes when you sinned (i.e. Matthew 5:29) hmm? Or here is a good one, why don't you stone non-virgins (i.e. Deuteronomy 22:20-21) ehn? I bet you, most posters on this thread including yourself and their missus' weren't virgins

Ah, I've got more, plenty sef. Why do you wear clothing woven of two kinds of material (i.e. Leviticus 19:19) hey? Why do you eat catfish that has no fins and scales and other sea foods (i.e. Leviticus 9:10) erh? Why don't you give your other belongings, when you are sued in court (i.e. Matthew 5:40)

In case you havent noticed budaatum, those on the flip side scriptures too, are things God permits and doesnt permit... I leave it there for you to cross the dots to see the big picture

openmine:
what a sore bummer...!
Acting like a draconian ruler!
So how does it concern you if he agrees with my points?
Your crass attitude when people tend to disagree with you line of thought while agreeing with others is disturbing and unfortunate!

Oga why are you trying so hard and fruitlessly to explain your mischievous ploy to involve some one to help defend your tremulous stance!
I saw the many pips you cc'ed....If they don't come,will you drag them with a rope to make an input?
The reason they haven't shown up is because your postulations are,at best,patchy and fragmentary without scriptures!
This was what the other guy was trying to say when he agreed with my submissions before you authoritatively tried to shut him down!
How would you say God permits homosexual acts without a single scripture that backs your claim..?
When you give people a base to work on,they will contribute positively to this thread...so far you have done nothing to convince anyone that the scripture supports,allows and permits homosexual acts and that is the sad truth!
Bros be honest...that was one of your clownish schemes that ended up pretty badly..hence it was swiftly abandoned!
You then went back to your tacky 'troll' claptrap....Hope you don't forget the "strawman mining" manoeuvre...it may come in handy for you!

"Glory be to God. Thank you, thank you God. "Toba to asiko lati su, idi a la", loosely translated means, "when its time to shiit, yansh must give way" so let's put hand for chin, begin watch and read how you've answered the questions then"
- Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:20am On Jun 07

I bet you dont recall me using the above dialect in PART 1 of my 3 parts post that was too long to upload in one whole. Like I previously said, I interject them as my mood sets, nothing about anything swiftly being abandoned. They usually are one liners, and infrequently used

budaatum:
Got to say, I admire the care with which you chose your words. You have nobly insisted on 'scripture', and "acts", both which stand insurmountable to God's permission, it would seem.

Muttley! I promised to tell and I'm telling you now.
Stop with the eggshells or shift!

You do know what the subject title of this thread is, I believe, so desist from encouraging this person from deviating and/or derailing the topic otherwise I'll tell AngelicBeing on you. You know how he/she feels like pummelling you and you've probably had enough, so you wouldnt like more

openmine:
Ohh no more response using your glorified dialect?
I thought you were calling your legion of armies to save your already shattered ego?
Calm and smiling while advocate MuttleyLaff is nervous and edgy!

Are you just reading the glorified dialect on this thread ni?
I interject it, whenever the mood sets me, and coupled with translations, so whats your problem with that?

https://www.nairaland.com/5235137/cherrypicking-christians#79173336
I cc'ed Michellekabod2 as a fyi, nothing more, nothing less because she cc'ed me first and I noticed that you fitted to a tee, her "cherrypicking of christians " description, in her thread, the URL link which I've pasted as shown above

openmine:
Yeah you are indeed!!!

This is incredible. SMH. Dont worry. I now understand, trust me, you go dey alright las las

openmine:
between us,who is a sore bummer?
A guy who could not face the fire himself but had to beg a friend to bail him out of jail?

You are not just a pitiful sorry faced loser, you are a certified bonafide troll and shameless barefaced liar through and through