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dominique:
I doubt if this happened in Nigeria, our sheeples are not this stupid.

Worse happens in Naija
and you'll be surprised at the depth of the stupidity

Yep, life is short Francis.
Make the most of what you got
and don't be too self absorbing over the lots of supposedly beautiful and amazing exposures, exhibitions and experiences life has to offer of which you're yet to have a slice of.
We all do and/or can only but hope for the best.

vaxx:
And i said rational decision that is based on fact should be the key.

What is irrational decision in this kind of marriage?

vaxx:
We can't be intellectually dishonest like our western brethren.

1/ How, when and where have the western brethren and sisters being intellectually dishonest?
2/ What are the western brethren and sisters intellectualy dishonest of?

vaxx:
it is not about the certificate and the white dreess. It is about if Nigeria should adopt it, and for us to agree on that. We need to discuss the nitty gritty of the topic beyond Jackie chan daughter same marriage certificate that was issued in Canada. Remember if Jackie daughter and her lesbian partner naturalised as a nigeria today, that certificate will not be recognised.

Again, I reiterate, patience is the secret

budaatum:
Did 37mins and 40 secs then it crashed.

37 mins is a very good and long enough time to get a gist and good enough grip of the film.

10:46
Who are you?
I've known you since before you're born
I'm going to ask you one more time
I AM God
You what?
God
Dont ever, talk to me, again

How did I beat that kid at chess?
He was using logic, you werent

What did you think of the above dialogues at the 10:46 minute mark and another after it

budaatum:
Please read Lordreeds above.

One is not compelled to get one's reason for living from "religion like language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions", when one can as well cook up ones own reason in ones own head.
Or, know ye not who gods are, muttley?!

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
If you know, you know and who no know, no go know

I did and saw a gaping wide hole bigger than a Swiss Cottage cheese.
Unsurprisingly, there actually are more holes than Swiss cheese in it

budaatum:
Almost 38 mins! I am very vigorously smh!

Why smh, why vigorously?
Is it because you felt gutted and let you down that your internet connection degraded whilst watching it

That wasnt God though, you know, trying to get her into the car
Just refresh to reload the connection, to continue watching
and then click on below for 102
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v384437hZJ6YSHD

vaxx:
i have taken you thru, why the concent assumption you asked is wrong.
You can't justify concent in this case. For me to gobahed Answering your question thr limitation therein should be address.
Answering your question is not important as to the values your questions will be providing if it is answer.
And to get to the values of your question, we need to evaluate the question itself.
Your question foundation is faulty

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"Should this kind of marriage be accepted in Nigeria?"
- by vaxx: 12:32pm On Nov 27

1/ Why shouldnt this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
2/ What evil(s) has this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
3/ What harm(s) has this kind of marriage between two consenting adults?
- by MuttleyLaff: 8:02am On Nov 28

The two above should help you remember how this kicked off with me asking the three questions because of yours

vaxx:
You are suggesting that privacy should not be a human right and my right to privacy should be abolished at best

This why some academia are advocating that the sanction for rights has to be rescinded in favour of moral and political philosophy. I.e. jurisprudence due to this kind of notion you brought forward.

Are you sure I suggested anything

vaxx:
Yes the journey of thousands miles begins with one step""
which i can say it was a single sperm cells that was before infant and baby before child, child before an adult.
likewise the condition of gay and lesbianism is not matured to be term legal in Nigeria, factors are there to be consider .
The first step that is necessary for this whole journey will be taken when Nigerians legal system gives a valid argument that applying the word "marriage" to some relationships and not to others is not unequal treatment, and thus not discrimination.

Criminal penalties against homosexuality persisted in the UK until 2013
It is going to be a slow, long and winding road
and that's why I earlier mentioned that patience is the secret

vaxx:
Unless you argue that unequal treatment of things that are not the same isn't automatically wrong to discriminate per se.

Bro this veiw should rather be given base on fact instead of law

Brother quit being truculent
and regardless of fact and/or or law, just simply answer the three questions

vaxx:
The concent notion here will need a whole lot of rational and logical evidence to be given a notice

What are you on about?
Consent, especially, the two adults' consent, in the questions, is not at all complicated.

The two consenting adults, mutually, permit the way they both behave towards each other in the faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour

vaxx:
You show me the evidence of certificate and white cloth evidence as the basis of concent right? You forgot that the certificate does not guaranty them the concent of the real couple in a legal sense i.e. like employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges, Per diem payment to spouse for civil service employees when relocating as it stipulated in canadian law that was influenced by british law which Nigeria also adopt.

So what is the essence of certificate that those is not protect legal right for two concenting. You see the beautiful lies the gays supporting society are promoting. Fine you can practice your gay but no benefits for you "" that is unwritten silent statement of gay/lesbians approved nation. concent here had been breached.

I have no buisness to what anybody is doing in his or her bedroom.
But I i am against illogical thought that willl end up not protecting human concent as it may be. It is crucial to notice that including gays/lesbianism marriage laws into Nigeria legal system will mean the revision of marriage. In order to offer the status of marriage to couples of the same sex, the very meaning of marriage has to be changed.
In which case, what same-sex couples will have will not be the same as what differently sexed couples now have.

It will be called marriage, but it won't be marriage as we know it.
It won't be "marriage equality it will be an entirely new thing.
To remove the sexual specificity from the notion of marriage makes marriage not a realisation of the bodily difference between male and female that protects and dignifies each, but simply a matter of choice.

Unlike you, I answered your questions
the least you could have done was to have the decency to answer my three questions,
then, after, if you like, maybe give a piece of your mind, rant or rave.

You should have business to what anybody is doing in his or her bedroom,
especially if what is done in his or her bedroom is evil,
is not an adult mutual consent,
and if it is detriment to another person, betrayal of another person, cheating on another person, and is harmful to an object or neighbour

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
Gay liberation and the decriminalisation of homosexuality was gradual.
Patience is the secret

vaxx:
Your questions is wrong, i have even try by bringing out the wrong assumptions/implication in it.
That is the best i can do.
Infact i have as well challenged you to correct my notions.
Give me a valid evidence you raised a good question.
I am asking for evidence to support the implied claims.

vaxx, I dont understand why you have to kick the ball way out of the playing field area
You are with your simple basic question(s) kicking the ball out of play

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vaxx:
“Please offer evidence that consent is fact base”

The Etta Ng Chok Lam and Andi Autumn picture tells it all

vaxx:
“Please offer evidence that the concent is provable ”

Again the Etta Ng Chok Lam and Andi Autumn picture with both wearing white dresses

vaxx:
"please offer evidence that the concent will always be permitted in court of law regardless"

Again the Etta Ng Chok Lam and Andi Autumn holding a marriage certificate dated November 8, 2018.

vaxx:
This are my simple basic question.....

vaxx, now you'll have to answer my original three questions

Or are you against same sex relationships and/or marriage of this kind?
Are you in cahoot with pressplay411, that believes homosexuality hurts no one until your children decide to be homosexual
and the future is filled with a bunch of immoral, vain, unstable and self-centered adults who hate children?

vaxx:
it will have been simple for me to answer, if the notion of your concept of concent is settled.

How do you expect me to answer a wrong question?

I insist we get our priorities right, first things first
Those three important questions should be answered first before you table your questions, your arguments or any other things.

vaxx:
let me summarise our discussion so far..
1 Your basis is on concenting aduilt. You asserting the notion that it has no negative effect on the environment which is taking place and neither does it cost harm to the consenting adults.

2 This is your veiw, i let you know that the same veiw can also be used to invalidate the crime levelled against two mutual fighter.
Infact in most countries there are legal forms of boxing or MMA style fighting.
Football, rugby and hockey satisfy the rest of the blood-lust.
What will you do about this?
This is not distraction at all. It is even spicing your notion.

See bro, The concept of concent you are using here is bogus as it needs to address some basic question


1 what is the scope of concent

2 what is the extent of permissible concent

3 how are you going to prove concent.

the legality of lesbianism/gay is really more of a question of fact, not of law. Unless you have an answer to the questions i raised?.

Let me summarise, I am not here to argue with you about fighting.

I posted three questions about a particular kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour to discuss on
but my observation shows that you strongly want to contrast this kind of marriage with fighting

Fair enough but I reiterate, please answer the posed three questions outrightly first before dropping and slinging in distractions.
Can you kindly manage to answer the three questions first.

budaatum:
You're not exactly promoting yourself well enough to get 45 minutes of my time, MuttleyLaff.
But I'll give it a go sometime.

Do it soon, you won't regret it as it'll be worth the effort
I am surprised you are oblivious of it

vaxx:
then with that understanding mutual combat shouldn't be illegal if a bystander is not injured or property is not damaged.....

I ask again do you still suspect your response can be used to validate fighting between two concenting adult?

To start with I am not asking questions about fighting but talking about this kind of marriage that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour.

Please answer the questions outrightly first before dropping and slinging in distractions.

vaxx:
Why is fighting illegal, even if both opponents consent to it? D
Do you suspect the same argument you provide here can be used to invalidate the legality of making mutual combat a crime?


I think you should look at it base on fact rather than law....

Make a good and strong note of the manner the questions ended and tell if your argument is in tune with the question

pressplay411:
Simply because two consenting adults don't determine right or wrong.
Otherwise we shouldn't complain anymore about the two conniving adults (politicians and company staff) have been consenting to embezzle Nigerians commonwealth and company funds respectively.

Right or wrong is not determined by two or more people. It is determined by God. Only He has established to mankind what is right, what is fruitful, what profitable, what is enduring, what is beautiful and what is moral.

You might be tempted to think homosexuality hurts no one until your children decide to be homosexual and the future is filled with a bunch of immoral, vain, unstable and self-centered adults who hate children.

Have another crack of the whip with the three questions again
and this time answer them properly, objectively and without strawman mining.

vaxx:
Popular Jackie Chan’s 19-year-old daughter Etta Ng Chok Lam in a recent Instagram post confirmed that she had married her long time Canadian girlfriend, Andi Autumn.

She posted a photo of herself and Andi on her personal Instagram account,
both wearing white dresses and holding a marriage certificate dated November 8, 2018.
She captioned the photo, “united by love and law, on our wedding day”.


Should this kind of marriage be accepted in Nigeria?

1/ Why shouldnt this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
2/ What evil(s) has this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
3/ What harm(s) has this kind of marriage between two consenting adults?

budaatum:
Abba MuttleyLaff!
You sure like mentioning buda too much!
Have you forgotten how touchy I get when misrepresented,
or are you just pressing my buttons?

This was you!
And here was my response.

That was me alright
and I expected you'll click on the link I provided so to understand why the buddha mention came about
and how me telling the poster "I am a Buddha" cropped up

Notice in the link, she believes she is a future Buddha
and I responded to her that, I am a buddha right now,
increasingly knowing more by the day and not a future buddha

You arent half as touchy as me finding myself being misrepresented
and you trying to pigeon hole me as a buddhist by saying I dabbled into Buddhism

I've persistently been mentioning you budaatum
because I'll like you to watch this shy of 45 minutes clip
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v363280nFSFMC66

PastorAIO:
My attention has just been drawn to this post with a 'like'. It kinda sums up my position on this matter:

Brilliant interactions with salient points scattered in there

Ranchhoddas:
Reverence towards whom?

Reverence towards the Vitaliser

Do you respect your parents?
Do your respect your wife?
Do you respect your family?
Do you respect yourself?
Why?

Ranchhoddas:
I assume you've obtained some revelation.
Do you mind sharing?

You can take the assumption to the bank.

Sharing is my middle name. Sharing is in my DNA
My posts are full of sharing.

Please watch that link I pasted and let's together share what we watched in it

Ranchhoddas:
You once said you were not a Christian. What are you?
I am asking because Ihediniobi is Catholic(?) and Doctor Alien is Adventist.

No complicated answers please.
Don't say Jedidiah if you can say Solomon.

Christian is a misnomer.
If only more christians truthfully and properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians.

Make no mistake about it, in reality, there is no denomination.
The power that be, is Catholic Adventist et al specific agnostic.

budaatum, recently tried labeling and caging me as a Buddhist, just because I told a poster I am a Buddha.

Sometimes, you have to say Jedidiah instead of Solomon because such is life.
We labour and break a sweat, gold isnt picked off the ground surface, neither are pearls scooped off the sea water surface

Ranchhoddas:

Why this mischievous looking smirk at the end?

DoctorAlien:
Okay. Thanks.

Ask me later about anything you watched in it
thank you for cleverly neutralising the repeat moniker mentions

PastorAIO:
May I suggest that when you say that you 'ascribe' meaning to life that in actual fact it is not an act of volition and also it is not quite as arbitrary as it may seem.

To put it bluntly I would like to suggest that meaning is the product of an 'inebriated' mind.

Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be "inebriated" with the Spirit;

francis247:
Well said. You hit the nail on the head.
In as much as the building blocks of the foundation of life is arbitrary,
some of its building blocks are not all that arbitrary.

Death, is one of life building blocks that is not at all arbitrary.
Without it we wouldn't value life.

Even you, if you're honest, sincere and truthful,
will be the first to admit that, you so much value of life, that you want to arrive at your death, late.
Life afterall, to you, has a meaning then

There is more to life than just breathing.
And as for the earlier mention of depression
well, depresion, can be something, hard to understand

If my memory serves me right, I thnk its JK Rowling that said;
"Depression isn't just being a bit sad.
It's feeling nothing. It's not wanting to be alive anymore."

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http://www.veoh.com/watch/v363280nFSFMC66
Ihedinobi3 & DoctorAlien just watch the pilot, watch the one link above alone
cc Ranchhoddas, budaatum, you both & francis247 can give thanks later
Dont forget to click on to 102
and the rest to watch the whole series

Ihedinobi3:
I checked the synopsis. The general idea is correct as far as it goes. The Lord works all things together for good to those who love Him and there is no soldier in His Army who has the full picture so we don't always (in fact, we rarely do) know the full rationale of the tasks that He gives us to do. That is what it means to walk by Faith. We have to trust Him to be using every obedience we offer Him to work out something perfect for all of His Children.

I may eventually make time to watch the series
but I doubt that I will.
I am barely keeping up with my responsibilities at the moment.
I couldn't afford something like that in the short term. But I thank you very much for sharing it with me.

There is nothing better than the proof of the pudding is in its eating.

Just watch the 101 pilot, instead of reading synopsises.
Come back to tell and share your thoughts of it

francis247:
There is nothing to life, nothing, absolutely NOTHING except for the things which we input and infuse into it.

Not all is doom and gloom.
Reverence is the duty of all men,
and reverence invites revelation.

PastorAIO:
I can see how jedijedi can lead to such a statement.

I can see how with a statement such as this, you are exaggerating

PastorAIO:
Purpose only confers some aspects of meaning. Other modes Meaning can be found without purpose. But as regards the Purpose part of Meaning, your explanation here is excellent. How we arrive at Purpose has no direct bearing on what the OP is getting at, however once we have Purpose, real or delusional, well thought out or muddled, however we arrive at Purpose, (and we mostly have some purpose or the other in mind), we will subsequently see meanings in life derived from it.

I quite without demur concur with the last sentence actually.

PastorAIO:
Every depressed guy since the beginning of Homo Sapiens sapiens has been saying that.
Who is this famous Depressive personality?

Jedidiah, the wisest man who ever lived, did.
Not depressive but woke.

johnydon22:
So summarily, your assertion that "life is meaningless" is at best without absolute basis therefore arbitrary at best.

Yes?

What our friend doesnt want to acknowledge is that
the person famous for that "life is meaningless" remark, said it, after being woke.
Apparently there is more to life than seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines
and there is a conclusion of the whole matter of life.

johnydon22:
How though?

Recall I mentioned that meaning is related to PURPOSE
and now you're asking how purpose is derived

Purpose, of course, is derived through and/or by discovery, through and/or by information, through and/or by invention, through and/or by delusion, through and/or by understanding, through and/or by definition, through and/or by assumption, through and/or by realisation, through and/or by etcetera and the list of indicators goes on

DoctorAlien:
Okay. I'll try to check that out.

I prefer that you do than try.

johnydon22:
how is purpose derived?

In many and diverse ways is purpose derived.

johnydon22:
How do you determine the value, use of something?

Its intrinsic with its purpose

DoctorAlien:
You described it perfectly
it can really be like taking people along with you climbing mountains.
Still, as a soldier of Christ, I would do my best to seize any opportunity to demolish unfounded arguments against the Biblical Christian faith.
When I was younger, I watched a movie entitled " Joan of the Arc".
The main character was a woman. Is that the same movie?

Joan of Arc, is a movie about a young French heroine who heard from God
and so dressed up as a young soldier man to fight battles.
whereas Joan of Arcadia, was a TV series, who also had interesting encounters and conversations with ...

Type the workaround instructions I gave ihedinobi3 to watch the 101 pilot

Ihedinobi3:
It's precisely for fear of getting hooked that I make a point of avoiding these things, my friend.
That is, even if I wasn't concerned about their relative remoteness from the Truth.

I tried your link though but it didn't work. I'll just see the synopsis and get an idea of what it is about.

[img]https://s2/images/Joan.png[/img]

I'll fix the issue with the link later, if I can.
The god of nairaland seemingly has put a stop against posting dailymotion links in here.

You'll love it,
I used to religiously watch it when it was then aired back in the day but to everyones chagrin CBS all of a sudden stopped it.

Watch this 101 pilot
and share what you thought of it

Type https://www DOT dailymotion DOT com/video/x4zoguc ihedinobi3 to get the link.

Make the DOT be fullstop . and leave no spaces.

This is a workaround to it being stopped by the god of nairaland from displaying correctly by being truncated
dailymotion as a web link is blacklisted from showing in post

Ihedinobi3:
[/size]Yes, He is always overwhelmingly generous toward us His Children. It is very good to hear that you are well, my friend. And very encouraging news to know that you pay such close attention to my posts. It is a joy to me. Thank you for your very kind words
As for Joan of Arcadia, I only just heard of it from you.
I have so much to do and so little time so I don't often pay attention to movies and all that. Additionally, I'm very wary of what they say or teach or assume.
I am fine, dear brother. It's good to see that you are well and busy.

You are exactly right about the section. It does get old quite easily. For my part, since my return, I made apologetics an opportunistic activity: only such discussions as possess the potential for producing Bible teaching that would be useful to fellow believers or encouragement in some form to them interest me. So, it is a means to an end and so far it has worked quite well.

https://www./video/x4zoguc

It's not a movie, it actually is a foreign TV series that was popular in the 90s
I have again above pasted a link to watch the entire series from
Try watch the first one
and come back to inform what your impression is.

I will ask for forgiveness, if you dont get hooked after watching 101.
I earlier posted snippets of the conservations in the series