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tintingz:
Give example of the fallacy I made (appeal to ignorance).

Defend your claim.

Are you refuting you are not doing appeal to ignorance?

tintingz:
You are just a troll.

and you are one on steroids also with an overdeveloped ego

tintingz:
Can you mention any claim I made where I "appeal to ignorance."

Too much to mention, practically every claim you've made

tintingz:
Hope you know what that fallacy means?

Fallacy means exactly what it says on the tin
and thanks for your fallacious arguments so far with Ihedinobi3

Ihedinobi3:
Why are you arguing against "what that doesn't exist"?

tintingz:
God is not the creator of ALL.

It is reality.

No

Because killing homosexuals is moral to God.

Ok, you agree God didn't create ALL.

Lol, it seems you don't know what being "created" means.

Lol, you're diminishing your God.

It shows there other creator which your God doesn't have power over.

You're contradicting yourself.

He has planned everything in a book yet he didn't chose anything. Sigh.

Sigh.

Worship me or you burn forever.

Oga we're talking about God.

But he said we should worship him or we suffer eternally.

A perfect God shouldn't even make such statements.

Do you even understand what all good and all loving means? Do you understand perfection?

Fallacy.

What if a Muslim in Saudi Arabia never read the gospel due to his society?

Heaven, Hell, are there any other options?

Your God is malevolent.

Lol, So a good leader watch terrorists kill, cause mayhem but sit and do nothing. What damage is he fixing after all that have happened? Is he malevolent?

A good leader stops evil from beginning before it spread since he's all good and all powerful. A good leader doesn't give any room for evil. That's a good perfect leader.
It is called reductio ad absurdum.
It is in your bible.

It actually is called ad ignorantiam, otherwise known as, appeal to ignorance
That essentially, tintingz, is what all these your arguments are all about

I agree with Robert Quillen who said, discussion is an exchange of knowledge whilst an argument an exchange of ignorance.
All you've been doing is delighting in trading with extreme ignorance upadan the whole thread

chinjo:
Hate him or love him,
Dino melaye keep saying it the way it is.

You can say that again

CAPSLOCKED:
My dad keeps telling me he prays for me every day that I’ll come back to God.
I just can’t see that happening.
I’ve been thinking a lot lately about my change in perspective.
Now that my mind has been opened it not only changes how I see things but also allows me to discover new things.

I recall a story of two boys looking through a hole in a fence.
All that could be seen was bright yellow metal.
So one boy stood on the shoulders of the other and could peer over the top of the fence.
From that view, he could see the parked bulldozer up against the fence and the entire construction site bustling with activity
- Brian James

It's that grass is greener over the fence syndrome, isnt it?

The parked bulldozer up against the fence and the entire construction site is bustling with activity
because it is being fertilised with bullshit to make the grass greener on this other side of the fence

CAPSLOCKED:
I don’t think it’s possible to ignore the things I’ve learned.
My journey now is creating a better world in this life.
So glad I released the burden of religion.
There's no turning back, how could I?

- Brian James

Dont ever ignore a fence,
dont climb over it or try to take it down, until you know why, it in the first place, got put up.

Whoever's overstretching to look at the "greener grass" on the other side of the fence,
never be able to appreciate the green grass, that is right under their feet the entire time

Ranchhoddas:
In other words, cheat responsibly.

If staying in lane,
then you aren't cheating, talkess needing to cheat responsibly.

Ranchhoddas:
This is what I've been saying

The price for some risks are worth taking and paying for.

Ranchhoddas:
Hmmm...
I agree.

Solid truth

Ranchhoddas:
The disagreements are denomination-based

What do you say is how then?

Ranchhoddas:
That's what everyone says. They always say it is in the Bible.

Do a Berean then.
Always check and cross-check
Don't take or accept things on face value only
Do the needful always.

Ranchhoddas:
Hmmm...
What will this achieve?

Are you kidding me?
You arent really asking me what does grace achieve, do you?

Ranchhoddas:
I may be a cheat.

It's your choice.
Would you wish, look forward and/or be pleased to be cheated on?

Ranchhoddas:
Why?

The human body doesn't operate full on non-stop

Ranchhoddas:
Do you know what these reasons are?

One is leading by setting the right example

Ranchhoddas:
So approximately how many years have you spent unconscious?

I am sorry, I didn't type that rightly.
I meant to convey that we spend a third of our lives sleeping.
On the average we sleep eight hours a day in order to get a good night rest
but as I earlier said, when I was thinking of the rationale behind the eight hours rest, I found it to be a fair deal, as it leaves a pair of eight halves hours to equally share out.

How many years have I spent unconscious?
Well there are many times I have spent little death unconscious,
yelped in cloud nine ecstasy, momentarily blacked out coupled with eyes rolled to back

#La petite mort
If you know, you know
Who no know, no go know

Ranchhoddas:
What I mean is that we have always find a way around the meanest of infections.
Drugs, vaccines, and prophylactic devices and measures always make sure we eventually conquer those pesky microorganisms

Stay in lane and they wont bother you.
At least very least, dont cheat, to be promiscious, dont have casual sex you arent informed about, dont be unfaithful etcetera
and you wont have their attention or be on their radar.

Ranchhoddas:
I don't follow

Promiscuity and/or casual sex is an adventure too with its fair share of risks

Ranchhoddas:
It is

Positive thoughts created the universe

Ranchhoddas:
Everyone disagrees on what/who the Holy Spirit is and how to get it.

Everyone? Really?
I am beginning to notice that you regularly like making sweeping statement sha

Ranchhoddas:
I am sure you have your own ideas

You want the honest truth?
I have no ideas of mine

Ranchhoddas:
I am not sure why you have said this.

You said:
"I seem to be lacking copious amounts of what they call the Holy Spirit."
and that you are hemorrhaging it
so I am telling you that grace, in our lives, is very important in the journey of life
Why dont you one day, really watch birds fly, watch fishes swim, watch gazelles sprint or a springbok pronk with grace.

Ranchhoddas:
I guess

Why are you guessing you're a cheat by nature

Ranchhoddas:
I like to believe that.

so nothing to do with cultural, social or religious restraints then,

Ranchhoddas:
Why do we sleep to get reinvigorated?

It is part of the inummerable rules
besides that, we sleep to get reinvigorated, for the same reason that land for instance is left to fallow

Ranchhoddas:
Why do we not just get reinvigorated by just willing it?

Our physiology and psychology wont allow reinvigoration to work that way

Ranchhoddas:
Does God sleep to get reinvigorated?

God rests for other reasons than to get reinvigorated

Ranchhoddas:
Do you know how many years of your life you've spent sleeping?

Yes I do.
I found out, it's fair deal, when the other day, I sat down thinking about it

NPComplete:
Over the years I have always maintained that nobody has the Holy Spirit. Not even your pastor, not your prophet and not even you. Most times it is just a hunch that zealous Christians, needing to convince themselves that they are special, call the Holy spirit. The events of the past week with Oyedepo and his egregious intellectual incompetence has convinced me to double down on that opinion.

I have maintained that if you do a thorough scientific research of the life of the average Christian screaming about having the holy spirit and compare it with the average Muslim, Buddhist and atheist, u will find almost no difference in the results they have been able to achieve. How is it possible that one claiming to carry the power and spirit of the creator of the universe does on average achieve the same result as one who doesn't? Only one possible conclusion can be drawn from that. Either anyone can have the Holy spirit regardless of religion or no one does.

The Holy spirit is supposed to be the spirit of God. The spiritual embodiment of infinite power and intelligence. We supposedly have that much power possessing numerous Christians in Nigeria yet we have nothing to show for it. Something must be wrong somewhere. If I am possessed by the spirit of Einstein, at the very least I should become good at theoretical physics. If someone becomes possessed by the spirit of Magnus Carlsen someday, at least we should expect that the person becomes very good chess.

So what have Nigerian Christians with their claims of Holy spirit achieved?

Nigeria is where it is today and Africa is being ravaged by droughts, famine and HIV today yet we are unable to come up with solutions to them despite the number of people literally carrying God inside them. Why? With that much access to the creator of the universe, one would think that any of these people would have found innovative solutions to these problems that no one has seen or ever thought of.

Oyedepo was in church reading out satire like a real story and making claims on it. At no time during that self-deprecating episode did the Holy Spirit in him whisper to him and say "hey dude, this is satire". Shouldn't the Holy spirit know something as simple as that? Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that save for Oyedepo and the spirit inside him. Later I read somewhere about him predicting or saying something about 2019. How can we believe he sees the future when he can't even see what is in front of him?

It seems the only time the Holy spirit works is when pastors want to collect money from you. That's when you hear them claiming "I am being moved my the spirit to raise an offering". But solutions to real practical problems can never be given to them by the spirit.

Lastly, the sheer amount of dumb Christians running around is enough sign that none of these people have any spirit inside them let alone the Holy one. If I am smarter than you are then you don't have the Holy spirit since I can't be smarter than God.

So Christians should stop blaspheming against God and dragging Him into any decision they make. We all know most of those decisions don't always come out right anyway.

Yes, everyone has equal measure access of the Holy Spirit.
You actually fill out into the Holy Spirit.

Issame:
Resident of yet-to-be disclosed area shamed a couple who they caught having s*x in a car in their neighborhood.
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Apparently, the couple who parked their vehicle in an isolated area along the street and began their copulation.
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Someone who immediately spotted the act immediately alerted other residents of the area, and they went on to disgrace them.
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Apparently, they are angry that they brought their private affair to the neighborhood.
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Though Facebook user John did not give the exact location of the incident, however it was gathered that the couple were sent away after they were embarrassed.
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While some social media users supported the move by residents of the area, others maintained that the couple did nothing wrong and shouldn’t have been shamed since they are both adults.

carbon1224:
This is not Nigeria and look at the car wheel is right wheel drive

babadigu:
maybe... this happened in Tanzania

So people cant anymore have sex in peace and privacy in an isolated area.

It's that almost finished drunk whisky plastic cup that is of concern.
Cant be planning to drive after drinking that and the blues

Ranchhoddas:
Suppression is the first step to eradication.
Why are you being so pessimistic?

You're mistaken about the pessimism.

The state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to your idealistic or notional idea of them,
is that only two diseases have being completely eradicated
and the reality is that HIV is at the end of a very long and winding queue
behind syphilis, gonorrhoea, herpes, chlamydia, genital warts etcetera to be on a credible eradication list.

Ranchhoddas:
We have overcome deadlier scourges

Please indulge me.
Give me a handsomely list of what we've ovecome

Ranchhoddas:
Every adventure has its risks.
Do you know how many people have died trying to climb the Everest?

Every adventure has its risks
and so why promiscuity and/or casual sex too have their risks

Ranchhoddas:
I assure you I am thinking

Positive thinking is very interesting

Ranchhoddas:
I count myself among the many.
I don't think I am properly informed about anything in the Bible if Bible thumpers are to be believed.

Bible thumpers are health hazards

Ranchhoddas:
I seem to be lacking copious amounts of what they call the Holy Spirit.
I am hemorrhaging it.

There is nothing like copious amounts of what they call the Holy Spirit
Dont you know that everyone has equal measure access to what they call the Holy Spirit?
You dont haemorrhage what they call the Holy Spirit, you fill out in to what they call the Holy Spirit.

Grace, in our lives, is very important in the journey of life

Ranchhoddas:
And we will keep dealing with every scourge that comes.
The plague, Ebola, Zika, Lassa, HIV etc.
They will continue to succumb to the force that is human medicine.

Amen, amen, amen
and we so therefore, thank God for miracles

Ranchhoddas:
I don't know.

I dont know how to type this
but if you dont know, then for starters, let's say, stop making the unreliable assertion that every man is a cheat by nature.

Anything you dont know, is something you can learn.
Are you a cheat by nature?
Have you got a true or correct conscience?

Ranchhoddas:
The same way I don't know why we have to sleep and wake everyday.
It just is.

Have you ever tried power nap?
We sleep, to get reinvigorated
and wake, re-energised everyday

Ranchhoddas:
It just is.

I know, it's like as, God just is ...

budaatum:
If you are a young Christian in the UK, coming out can pose extra challenges.

While some churches offer acceptance, others show hostility. It’s down to different interpretations of the Bible.

Meet Aiko and David who both identify as Bible-believing, gay Christians, but who are walking very different paths.

Emotional and teary-eyed watched Aiko.
Shame, that David though. Well having sex isnt everything sha

JeromeBlack:
Even gods have corrupt priests.

How many atheist threads have reached the front page?

You have a lot to learn about.
Atheist threads don't drive sales. Kikiki ki.
Atheist threads don't bring in the mullahs.

HappyPagan:
Nonreligious threads rarely make frontpage.
There's good reason for that.

You would have thought that the god of Nairaland being an atheist would be in favour of Nonreligious threads but alas it don't work like that

You can crawl over broken glass as much as you want to get them to front page but it wont happen not because atheist threads aren't salacious
It's business.

PS: You've hit front page
Told you he is impartial, firm and fair

Ranchhoddas:
All but conquered.
Viral loads can be reduced to levels where it becomes non-transmitable

I will give you that you are right in that contracting HIV is no longer a death sentence to carry in as much you medically address it quite quickly and early enough but it really is suppression mate.

Ranchhoddas:
It will be there till the day it is no longer there

HIV will always be there to be a threat and scourge to at least the promiscuous, cheats and those prostituting themselves

Ranchhoddas:
O tun ti bere

Ranch what use of having great friends for, if not to piss you off enough to think.
Ajekutamomi to nso Yoruba.
Ah mo beri oo. Atenshun sir! Salute.

Many are not properly informed about Romans 1:27

Ranchhoddas:
And man continues to conquer all of them

Man never conquers them Ranch
Man becomes wiser, man manages them, man suppresses them.
Another bogey is round the corner waiting for man to contend with.
It never stops Ranch, until the end.

Ranchhoddas:
Me too

At least two of us to start with

Ranchhoddas:
Every man is a cheat by nature.
Some are held by cultural, social or religious restraints.

Why is every man a cheat by nature?
Were every man in the beginning always a cheat by nature?

JeromeBlack:
Bros, anything related to atheism, disbelief or criticising certain christian beliefs is discriminated against from reaching the front page.
Extra effort is needed.

The thread has merit but there is bias against it!

Truth crushed to earth is truth still
and like a seed will rise again.

I beg to differ, trust me, the god of Nairaland to a considerable degree, is impartial, firm and fair.

Goshen360:
So which kind award we go give him naw?

MuttleyLaff:
Truth crushed to earth is truth still
and like a seed will rise again

Freeze, has just woken up to a few "elephant in the room" topics,
that so many posters from the dawn of the day and over the years, in past on Religion section of Nairaland,
have extensively written about and discussed

No mind JeromeBlack ojaree
Freeze that just woke late last year/early this year

JeromeBlack:
Jesus never even tithed.

cc Lalasticlala, this thread deserves front page, please.

Whats all this sucking up for front page?
It's a complete turn off.
Stop that nonsense and gimmick already
If worthy enough, it will find itself on front page by its own merit and without being giving a leg up

Mindfulness:
Of the men who can afford it 100%

100%?
Balderdash.
You realise you lie like a cheap throw rug with this statistics.

Mindfulness:
It's the culture and HIV is real

Not necessarily the culture, but yeah HIV is real

Mindfulness:
Good luck to y'all.

Button or zip up

Ranchhoddas:
HIV is caused by ignorance , not infidelity.

It's actually caused by both

Ranchhoddas:
By the way, what is it with you and HIV?
Mankind has all but conquered that disease.

It is managed not conquered

Ranchhoddas:
When it is totally eradicated
--as it will soon be -- what will be your next port of call

Pipe dream because there is no HIV cure and not soon yet
The threat and scourge will always be there

Ranchhoddas:
HIV was not always there.
Men were cheating before that disease and will continue to cheat after it.

"And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other.
Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin,
they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved."
- Romans 1:27

HIV might not have always been there but it's distant cousin(s) previously was or had.
Men were promiscuous, prostituting themselves and cheating before HIV and/or back in the day
and so were getting infected, as seen in Romans 1:27, with HIV's distant cousin(s)

Ranchhoddas:
Kiss the truth.

I'll rather be slapped with the truth, than be kissed with a lie

Ranchhoddas:
Monogamy is unnatural.

What is unnatural about monogamy?
Why are you implying monogamy is unnatural?

budaatum:
O'Sullivan won. Hendry retired years ago, and no, didn't watch the fight.

Who did he win against?
I thought O'Sullivan was washed up, when a few months ago, I saw him playing against an Asian/Chinese/Japanese lady

budaatum:
The snooker Ronnie. He's going for a record 19 Championships.
I'm in and out catching the score myself. It's character building

Wow, O'Sullivan is still on tops?
Does the Scot, Stephen Hendry too, still competitively play?
Did you watch or follow the Fury fight?

Ranchhoddas:
We don't agree on who/what God is so I cannot agree or disagree.

Tell then, get me out of my misery
1/ Who and/or what is God?
2/ Who and/or what is not God?

Ranchhoddas:
You are right I guess

OK

Ranchhoddas:
This is hardly a miracle.
There is a reason the "mail mods" button was place there.
It's like saying being able to talk on phone is a miracle.
A miracle will always have doubters or people who try to rationalize it.

People see different things to be miraculous
and some dont recognise a miracle when they see one

It's like you're implying that miracles cant happen because you are able to talk over the phone

Ranchhoddas:
No one doubts that mods respond to request if they choose to

More the reason, why it becomes a miracle, is because when mods respond to request if they choose to

Ranchhoddas:
The rules are numbered.
Tell me one he has broken

That will be snitching. I am not a grass.

Ranchhoddas:
Example?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6PxHo08Sc4
Sorry, you just reminded me of this tune, when you asked: Example?

I am not parrying your question, it's just that I dont know what examples you're specifically asking about.

Ranchhoddas:
They are for everyone

That's what I said, they are for Nairaland everyone mortals

Ranchhoddas:
It will degenerate in these eventually if the god decides to start breaking the rules

The god breaks rule and can further break rules without Nairaland degenerating
because the god of Nairaland made the rules,
the god knows the rules so well enough to know how to effectively break any without causing a backlash.

Ranchhoddas:
The god of Nairaland is liable to lawsuits, a tainted reputation and loss of money if he starts breaking the rules.

God doesnt break rules liable to lawsuits, tainted reputation and financial redress or compensation for victims
and the god of Nairaland, whom, though I havent personally or physically met
but have a very high regard of and respect for, doesnt willy-nilly break rules for same and similar reasons

God wouldnt put Himself in the position you're angling for
and knowing the god of Nairaland from a distant, wouldnt either
So we shouldnt fret

Ranchhoddas:
Hehehehehe...
You know how to complicate simple things.
I would have lost interest if I had not figured it out before seeing your comment.

The below pasted screenshot is for your attention and information

[img]https://s2/images/ranch.jpg[/img]

You figured out 85%
The remaining part is shown and evident in the above easy to follow and spot screenshot

When you do it as shown in the above screenshot
you will have the missing MuttleyLaff: hyperlinks that were missing from your incomplete way of doing it, now showing.

Notice how when replying to your post, I segmented it into portions
but importantly, the sliced up portions are each and individually sandwiched betweem those two mark-up tags I mentioned in the screenshot

That is how, each portion has the Ranchhoddas: hyperlink, that when clicked will go straight back to the original post

These last upper two hyperlinks wont work because I havent really or truly hyperlinked them

budaatum:
Happy, what's up with you and francis247 feeling desolate?
Life all ahead of you and you're thinking, "is this as good as it gets" ?
Damn man, you fell through a roof years ago and get to tell the story today, but when you fall today - and honesty?
You know you're nowhere near falling today, Mr no drive but drive enough to have recently sat his last exam for a degree!
- you can't imagine telling now story sometime in the future when you and everything about you has evolved a tiny bit more!

I've been reading The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari.
"Cheesy", is one review, but worth considering, since it deals with the, well.....

I'll let you into a secret. You got more time in front of you than you have behind and one way or the other you will live every minute of it.
The least one owes oneself is to ensure it's as heavenly as one can make it, and not hellish at all.
You wouldn't forgive yourself if you don't at least, try.

Two things, you aren't moaning as much as my response makes it sound like you are so mind the exaggeration.
All the same, as muttley said, we all going through stuff. Yesterday, I didn't get to the dunny!

Muttley, you watching the Ronnie?

Good read so far this "The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari" book.

I am captivated, currently reading along.
I've actually gone past Chapter 3, and couldnt help not contrasting with the hammer house of horror fetish houses we have
when he was describing the beauty of the ancient temples strewn across the mystical landscape of India.

You need fibre in your diet and drinking of lots of water chief.

I can on my fingers count how many times this year I've watched TV.
Which Ronnie is this?
Is it the gangster Krays, or is it the two Ronnies, as in Corbett and Barker?

budaatum:
You insult the Holy Spirit!

Spoke more according to the direction of flesh that time

Correctgist:
The General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Pastor Enoch Adeboye, has warned members of his church to desist from using his pictures and that of his wife, Foluke, on souvenirs for sale.
According to him, he is not God and can never share in God's glory.

The clergyman gave the warning on Friday December 7th at the ongoing annual Holy Ghost Congress of the church holding at the Redemption Camp, Lagos-Ibadan Expressway.
He said it had come to his notice that some members of his church have started seeing him as God that they use his photos and that of his wife on any of their materials.
He appealed to them to stop it as he does not want to incur the wrath of God. he said.
On why he was forced to publicly call them to order,
the clergyman said that recently a woman bought a key holder with his picture
and his wife’s inscribed on it and gave it to her child
and the child began to eat the key holder and in no time,
the picture pasted on the key holder removed
and surprisingly what they found was the picture of another tele evangelist, Prophet T. B Joshua. he pleaded.

If not for the TBJ picture found underneath his picture, brain wouldnt have reset

Ranchhoddas:
We can go on talking about rules all day.
Thing is rules change according to place and circumstance so we may never agree.

I have already in the context of miracles, said
Only God has the prerogative to break rules or laws,
and this always is done within reason, confines and parameters.
Meaning, it has to be permissible, fair, reasonable and not too extreme.

Besides, God knows when not to follow these rules dogmatically or abide by the laws blindly

Ranchhoddas:
We seem to agree on something

We've always agreed on things

Ranchhoddas:
1. Yes

Good call

Ranchhoddas:
2. Yes

Good call

Ranchhoddas:
3. I'm not sure what you mean.
I'll say yes though. I believe in miracles.

Well my persistent prayers to the powers that be for two miracles was half answered
so I believe in Nairaland miracles like you
and still do, though my earnest fervent and passionate prayer to overturn an imposed posting ban yesterday fell on deaf ears.
The heavens of Nairaland shut out my intense prayer for the miraculous to happen.

Ranchhoddas:
4. No he doesn't.
Have you read the rules. He doesn't break any as far as I know.

I giggled so hard that I almost spilled over my glass of rouge
You think he put the rules in place because of himself?

He made the rules, makes the rules, and can break rules.
He has the prerogative to break rules or laws,
and this always be done within reason, confines and parameters.
Meaning, it has to be permissible, fair, reasonable and not too extreme.

Ranchhoddas:
5. No. Read the rules.

Make no mistaken about this, that the rules, are for Nairaland mortals

The site will be total lunacy without the rules,
there'll be anarchy, chaos, criminality, lewdness, fracas, intolerances, free-for-all nonsense etcetera if not regulated with rules

Ranchhoddas:
This is a similar analogy to the NASS one I gave.
I don't know why you think this is right and that is wrong.

NASS is a democratically elected body.
NASS is accountable to country and God.

NASS, absent of God, dont do miracles
Members of NASS are not God

Finally, the god of nairaland is not elected like NASS members are, is also why.
The keyword to notice and embrass is prerogative.

Ranchhoddas:
PS: I am trying to get the hang of this quoting in portions hence my erratic posts.
Bear with me.

I thought it looked like a dog's dinner because you were trying to post from church or whilst on the move driving

In order to quote in portions from the same "quote post" clicked
Just split the quoted post into the desired portions
but remember to sandwich each of the desired portions with
[qu0te author=monikerName post=numericReference]and [/quote] mark up tags

Ranchhoddas:
Apparently we also disagree on who/what God is.

Who and/or what is God?

Ranchhoddas:
I will not sidestep any question I can give an answer to.
When you say "in me" you imply that Jesus is the only pathway to real miracles.
I'm finding it hard to agree with that.

What other, is the pathway to real or genuine miracles?

Ranchhoddas:
I am sure the Universe is governed by rules.

Let stay closer to home. You.
Even your entire fine specimen of a human body obeys, abides, is controlled and governed by rules
Things function and work in your body according to rules and guidelines set in place

Ranchhoddas:
Where we seem to disagree is what these rules are

You asked a "How long is a piece of string" question.
There are an abundant amount rules too much to mention Ranchhoddas, for us to agree on

Rules have parameters, they have limits or boundaries.
Sometimes the limits can be stretched, sometimes the rules can be broken hence you have miracles.

Ranchhoddas:
I will not sidestep any question I can give an answer to.

Let's try again then, shall we?

1/ Do you believe the god of Nairaland exists?
2/ Do you believe Nairaland and its "ecosystem" have all sorts and varied rules?
3/ Do you believe Nairaland miracles happen?
4/ Do you believe the god of Nairaland bypasses laid down rules?
5/ Would you not deem it a prerogative, for the god of Nairaland, break a rule(s)?

frank317:
Its really quite simple..
I mean, isn't religion supposed to better a society?
What the essence of worshiping a good loving creator that hates sin, yet we are one of the most simple nation...
Its either religion has no single effect or it has a negative effect.

While religious folks are boldly asking what are the negative consequences of religion they fail to ask
what a the the positive consequences of religion to our nation.

It really is quite simple,
words change meaning all the time
In the passage of time, the word, religion, is no exception

The original meaning of religion embodied empathy, compassion and/or tender-heartedness
There is no true and pure religion in the world more than that.

Ranchhoddas:
Could you give a brief rundown of this guidelines

I forsaw this request and so why I gave you the example about:
There is a rule about what goes up, must come down (i.e. universal rule of gravity)
There is another rule, that overrides the "what goes up must come down" rule (i.e. rules of aerodynamics)

Simply put, the rules are precepts, principles, guidelines etcetera set up to govern the policy of the universe,
so to know what is allowed and what is not allowed

Being a chemist or petrochemical engineer that you are,
dont you think it odd, the whole universe and/or world is not governed by rules.

Ranchhoddas:
It's not the same thing.
A more fitting analogy will be, can members of the National Assembly break laws simply because they made them?

The National Assembly can never be a more fitting analogy.

The National Assembly is a democratically elected body.
The National Assembly are accountable to country and God.

The National Assembly, absent of God, dont do miracles
Members of the National Assembly are not God
Neither are they above the law
and for that reason alone, they even arent allowed to break rules or laws.

Only God has the prerogative to break rules or laws,
and this always is done within reason, confines and parameters.
Meaning, it has to permissible, fair, reasonable and not too extreme.
Besides, God knows when not to follow rules dogmatically or abide by laws blindly

Ranchhoddas, please dont sidestep the five questions and other future next questions

Ranchhoddas:
No trouble at all

If no trouble at all, why you then saying that:
The "in me" has a way of causing a bit of trouble.

budaatum:
With two other people?
They'd better be the right genders and not smelly!

Yeah two or three people
How would the smell affect you, afterall it is virtual?
Seems typing away on the laptop or mobile under the duvet took to your fancy.

budaatum:
I guess ear plugs would be handy.

Just saying, church can also be virtual.

Church doesnt have to be by the strict definition.
It doesn't have to, physically, as such exist, before it happens.

You can still be in church without stepping out.
You can still be in church under the duvet and in PJs.

budaatum:
Changed my mind after a shower and a coffee. Both woke me up.

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them"
- Matthew 18:20

Classic case of church even on in here

frank317:
OK...I am waiting for him to reach out.

Dont fret, God will reach out to you, when you decide you want Him to

frank317:
If not he does not exist.

So this for you, is compelling evidence against the existence of God?

frank317:
I am not reaching out to any nonexistent being.

You have plenty opportunities plus one.
It is your choice to entertain the existence or not to.
It's your call, to be a host to God or be a hostage to your overdeveloped ego

budaatum:
Up. Maybe I should go to church?!

Church is where you make it.
Even on here, church is

It's a beautiful sunny and wet day.