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superhumanist:
You asked for something and I gave it to you.

You werent asked

superhumanist:
Why are you complaining? Shows that you are not honest.

There's nothing that does so much harm as good intentions
Your impetuous action has now cramped vaxx's style

superhumanist:
Here is a bulletpoint

These are the things that religion does to the black/african man

1. Christianity makes blacks worship a white (Italian looking) Jesus

2. Christianity makes blacks to praise their slavemasters because they brought christianity

3. Christianity makes black to become slaves to Isreal.
Pilgrimage and supporting Isreal over Palestine.
Also see the clowns called "Igbo Jews".

4. Christianity makes religious Nigerians to support a madman like Donald Trump over Obama.

5. Islam.........Just take a look at Northern Nigeria.....enough said.

superhumanist, c'mon now, get a grip

vaxx:
indirectly i am discussing some of my veiw with the op.
You just need to look up and see it.

Must I make a bullet point before you can decipher?

Seriously?
You are indirectly and/or have already been discussing some "core tradition teaching of Christianity" with Paxonel?
Hmm, I'll again go over the thread to see and guess what you've worked out to mean and be "core tradition teaching of Christianity"

vaxx:
Must I make a bullet point before you can decipher?

You gat jokes
Very funny indeed
but seriously that's the truth, I was hoping for bullet points of Christianity practices and/or beliefs that aren't really good for African society and so needs immediate abrogation?

I dont like making assumptions, if and when I can help it
That's why bullet point(s), would have been very much appreciated
and nice to read from them Christianity practices and/or beliefs not good for African society

vaxx:
when i feel the urge to do so. I will gladly mention you.
As for now I am interested with the op discussion.

vaxx, no one has mentioned nor suggested discussion
No one has asked that you back up your assertion that Christianity has core tradition & teaching that is not really good for african society and so needs immediate abrogation
but merely to share what you see, is the case

Just eager to learn what these "the core tradition teaching of Christianity" are.
To know, without exchanging posts, what they are

paxonel:
hmm!
Is that why you think imperialism is a christianity thing?

How about colonial masters, do you realize their agenda in Africa was not to propagate christianity but to explore Africans?

I think your mobile phone predictive text feature mistakenly let you type "explore" instead of "exploit" there

vaxx:
I am not ready for mumbo jumbo, selective perception, cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.

I dont know where all these "mumbo jumbo, selective perception, cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias" air is coimng from

vaxx:
If I feel the urge to play the mental game where the obvious truth will be glaring at us and we will still feel the need to debate it.

You made a confident and forceful statement
but when asked to share it, you suddenly developed cold feet and choose to cow into silence
Just one, one, one

vaxx:
I will create a thread over it and mention you.....
You once honour my john 3 vs 16 thread right?
So anticipate another one from me soon.

So you are unable to mention anywhere here on this thread, the core tradition teaching of Christianity that is not really good for african society and so needs immediate abrogation?

vaxx:
I am honest to my self .
the op had done well by pointing out some flaws with our traditional cuilture which I agree it is not fashionable to our current society if we yarn for development.

But he was primitive enough to called Christianity flawless while you also compliment him. A higher form of biased.

Why dont you go ahead and share the flaws you are aware of then?

vaxx:
You are even requesting i shouild present what i consider not good enough
so you can apply some mental gymnastic to solve it while living the truth in limbo.
How dishonest can that be bro....

Stop shuffling please.
Just present what you considered not good enough and leave out there so others can determine the merit of the opinion(s)

vaxx:
This is a sign of fundamentalist......

This comment is out of place

vaxx:
We can never be wrong...

This line of thought is unneccesary

vaxx:
My bible is inerent till infinity...

Please here is an opportunity to share where the bible is inerrant

Diva88:
I need to speak with a prophet or prophetess.
I'm going through a hard time.
Does anyone know an honest man/woman of God I can speak with?

1/Who are you?
2/What are you?
3/How and where are you with God?
4/When last did you experience a miracle?
5/When last did you have an angelic encounter and/or visitation?
6/When did you last pray?
7/How often or regular do you pray?
8/What is the format of your prayer?
9/Quote verbatim or paraphrase from your heart, seven bible verses that comes to your mind?
10/What do you naturally find yourself doing to others?
11/Who have you noticed you give help to more? Strangers or acquaintances & friends?
12/On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being lowest, 10 being highest, what number is the hard time, you're going through, at?
13/What is the meaning of Diva88, as in what's the story behind picking and choosing the moniker?
14/How and why did you say, every guy you come across isn't suitable?

vaxx:
good, you are still repeating African tradition believe that has been ingrained to main Christianity which should be discarded. I quite agree with you. Since it does not add value to African society.

But my question is
What are the core tradition teaching of Christianity that is not really good for african society and needs immediate abrogation?
If African want to move forward.

paxonel:
non!
Except those African beliefs i mentioned.

Christianity or Islam if allowed the way their holy books presented their ideas will never constitute any problem to any nation
rather they admonish adherenents to obey God's laws which will improve the way they live

I agree, non, with paxonel

vaxx, you earlier made the below quoted comment:
"Present to us the negative effect of Christianity teachings in African society.
i agree not all its teaching are bad. so you can compliment it.
With the already said about African tradition. It is not intelligent enough to be bias.
What is it that is not good in biblical teaching. I await your unbiased response."

Please go ahead and share this strong personal opinion(s) you have,
about core tradition teaching of Christianity that is not really good for african society and and so needs immediate abrogation

Butterfly1ion Or Butterflylion you should have by now, know how to spot dishonest, unreliable and potentially dangerous monikers,
with their malicious intent to infect, get respondents' post hidden, temporarily banned and posting privileges withdrawn

You shouldnt be mentioning these monikers nor ever quote their posts

Anas09:
Sir, it must not necessarily be in a clear detailed manner before says what it says.

Well "...leaving no room for confusion or doubt..." were my operative words

Anas09:
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
John:15:16

As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
John:17:18

Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
Luke:22:28

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luke:22:29
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luke:22:30

²¹Not everyone who says to Me,
‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
²²Many will say to Me on that day,
‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name,
and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
²³Then I will tell them plainly,
‘I never knew you;
depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’
- Matthew 7:21-23

³³And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
³⁴Then the King will say to those on his right,
‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
³⁵For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
³⁶ I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’
³⁷Then the righteous will answer him, saying,
‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
³⁸And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
³⁹And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
⁴⁰And the King will answer them,
‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
⁴¹“Then he will say to those on his left,
‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
⁴²For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
⁴³I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
⁴⁴Then they also will answer, saying,
‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’
⁴⁵Then he will answer them, saying,
‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’
⁴⁶And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
- Matthew 25:33-45

Fair dos...
but hey since it's my turn next, may I suggest the above "other ways" too...

Anas09:
This is the reward of stewardship.
And what greater service is there for a steward than to finish what his master had began?

Reward, as a noun, means
a thing given (e.g. kingdom to inherit) in recognition of service effort, or achievement.
(i.e. the kingdom is given to inherit, as a reward for a lifetime's workand/or service of helping with giving food to the hungry,
giving drink to the thirsty, welcoming others whom one does not know or whom one is not familiar with,
clothing them who had no clothes, visiting the sick and imprisoned)

Reward, as a verb, means,
give something (e.g. kingdom to inherit) to someone in recognition of their services, efforts, or achievements.
(i.e. a lifetime's workand/or service of helping with giving food to the hungry,
giving drink to the thirsty, welcoming others whom one does not know or whom one is not familiar with,
clothing them who had no clothes, visiting the sick and imprisoned is rewarded with the kingdom given to inherit)

Anas09:
What greater reward can anyone ever get that is greater than being one with the Lord?

We thank God for scripture, the likes of Matthew 7:21-23 and Matthew 25:33-45 at least or to start with, that exposes quasi ownership to Jesus (i.e. Jesus refuses to ownership)

Contrast Matthew 7:21-23 and Matthew 25:33-45 with Matthew 26:21-25 though, where every one of the disciples, except for Judas, acknowledges Jesus, as Lord
but Judas unlike every one before him, opted rather to call Jesus, Teacher
and not acknowledge Jesus, as Lord, (i.e. Owner, his Owner, the Owner)

Anas09:
Preaching the gospel doesn't welcome us or bars us from entering into the Kingdom of God, but soul winning rewards us.

Give me a scripture where soul winning was in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt rewarded
and I'll give three or more other ways that merited a reward and a welcome into the kingdom of heaven

Anas09:
@ the bolded. What that means is that, when Jesus appears, a lot of you will be depending on your priests or pastors to answer for you.

God is not stupid for making it possible for the Bible to be written in a common language and in diverse translations.
The Catholic church wanted the Bible locked and kept away in a dead Latin language which only a few priests would understand and tell us what they want us to hear. but the Lord has made it available to all, none of us has any excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about anything.


Buy a Bible, read it everyday. Go out preach it, win souls and advance God's Kingdom.

Jesus is coming soon and the souls you won will be the rewards you get there.
Whatever you get here, including your flesh remains here.
If Christ returns while your spirit man is still dead, na you sabi o.
We are here shouting it everyday. Jesus no go ask you which church you dey attend o.

²¹Not everyone who says to Me,
‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
²²Many will say to Me on that day,
‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
²³Then I will tell them plainly,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’
- Matthew 7:21-23

Our comments should be unambiguous about "preach, win souls, rewards" etcetera
as some scriptures like Matthew 7:21-23 above and the one about "The Sheep and the Goats parable"
have shown some preached but instead of winning rewards, got just desserts.

It is obvious there are more one way to skin a cat
and so therefore several ways for being welcomed into the kingdom of heaven
and not just the usual way

Anas09:
I read until i got where it says 'He endorses Same Sex Marriage', then i lost interest.

I don't know how to pretend.

Satan is opposite everything God. God says Man and woman, satan says Man and Man.

Homosexuality is Satan's sexual pattern.

The word "homosexuality" was not around in Biblical times
and the word "homosexual" was invented in 1868

It is Karl-Maria Kertbeny, who originally and/or previously used the word homosexual, when he coined and introduced it first, in a private letter written in 1868 to a friend, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs

Subsequently the first known appearance of the term homosexual in print appeared in an German pamphlet written by same Karl-Maria Kertbeny the following year in 1869

Another interesting to know, is that the original Greek word in the Bible (i.e. "arsenokoites'') that has now been adopted as meaning homosexual is actually a translation from the result of combining of two words "arsen" and "koites" which literally means "man and beds"

It would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", where in his construct, he used man, in singular and then used beds, in plural.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen

Anas09:
Any homo wey go quote me go get HIV from the next man him go bend over for or to.
Try Quote me.

I bet homophobes dont know that, not all gay sex are penetrative
but are non-penetrative sexual activity(ies).

paxonel:
proverbs 22:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it
Many christians are suffering today because they simply lack knowledge
owing to the fact they were either not sent to school by their parents or they did not learn trade or some kinda vocationals.

Many other christians who were sent to school or some informal education also have attitudinal problems because of poor parenting issues.

Now, if you are a christian and you have these problems mentioned above,
know that there is absolutely nothing the blood of Jesus can do to help you.

If you are the type that attends fire fire churches like mountain of fire, mountain of liberty or liberation city,
redeem christian church of God, die by fire, i mean my foot ministeries, thinking that they are the solution to your problems?
You are deceiving yourself.

Some of these christians never had parent to be with them when they were growing up
or they were brought up in a polygamous condition were there are several other siblings to cater for with little or no resources available,
yet they want prayer to do miracle.

Every problem you are going through in life originates from the way you were brought up by your parents

To this effect, there is need for proper parenting.

We are celebrating childrens day today,
i pray that God should open our eyes and give us the insight to stand by our children
and give them the proper up bringing they deserve .

Amen

Then Jesus told them a parable
about their need to pray at all times and not lose heart
- Luke 18:1

And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.
With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord's people.
- Ephesians 6:18

Luke 18:1 and Ephesians 6:18, are two very hard to swallow, with ease, scripture verses.

Most have taken "pray at all times" to be rubbing a genie lamp until wishes are granted
In addition, most also have been indoctrinated to believe "pray in the Spirit" equates to "praying or speaking in tongue"

What I've observed, is that cultural mindsets and belief systems are carried over and fused in, which is why there are a lot of sense and fear bordering on insecurity

Proverbs 22:6 is a treble gold star standard scripture

paxonel:
thanks bro!
I have seen it.
But i cannot modify it again because the thread is already in front page.

Is the "(Modify)" link disabled?
I mean, are you saying, it being on front page, has grayed out and made the "(Modify)" link unoperational?

paxonel:
thanks bro!
I have seen it.
But i cannot modify it again because the thread is already in front page.

Is the "Modify" link disabled?
I mean are you aying it being on front page has deactivated the "Modify" link?

paxonel:
how do i correct it sir?

As easy as saying A B C

paxonel:
I have tried but i don't know how

Here are the steps:
1) Go to your original post (i.e. the first post of the thread)
2) Click on "Modify" link at bottom left
3) Go to "Subject" section showing the thread title and make changes as required here
4) Navigate down for the "Submit" button, click it, to save change done, in step 3 above

LoJ:
I have received a few Pms. Unfortunately I have lost the password of the email I used for nairaland.
Therefore, I would encourage those people to mentione me here or anywhere on nairaland and share their concerns, even anonymously.
If I feel the need for privacy we will then find a way.

You can always go to your profile to change the email address to different one with a known password for use on Nairaland

The steps are:
1) Go to "My Profile" page
2) At top left, click on "Edit Profile" link
3) Navigate to "Email" section showing the current email address detail
4) Click on "Change Email" link
5) In "New Email", type in the new email address
6) Click on "Change Email" button
7) When asked and at prompt, type in the emailed verification code

You will afterwards begin getting notifications, on the email account you changed to on the Nairaland "My Profile" page, about posters looking for PMs

Butterflyleo:
That guy must be a bait for me.
Whenever I reply his post I get banned by the antispambot.

He is a virus.

Virus and a trojan, misleading others of its true intent.
No wonder it was stalking you, pleading for a response

It infected me and got me temporarily banned too

I've now learned to stay away from mentioning the moniker and not again ever to quote its posts

vaxx:
you are wrong..Unsophisticated does not make it primitive.
in technicality it is much modern.
About 170 years ..

I care less about is originality.., I am only attacking the choice of words used to described those who hold on to the belief.

"¹⁵According to the Lord’s word,
we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
¹⁶For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command,
with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
¹⁷After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And so we will be with the Lord forever.
¹⁸Therefore encourage one another with these words."
- 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

Modern belief but with a primitive slant (i.e. unsophiscated or unrefined thinking)
resulting from not having a good and proper understanding of 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

Vaxx, recommending or supporting tithing reloaded, publicly or not, is much modern, yet it is primitive
20th century "speaking in tongues" as we generally see & know being done is much modern, yet it is primitive
The concept of rapture albeit much modern, has a primitive thinking and/or or out of this world slant to it

I am not going to fall out with on the "about 170 years"
I care less about the timeline history

Chevrolet076:
@ butterfly,
i've actually seen your arguments based on facts, readings, and sense making..... but i don't know which of the Gods you Believe In, is it that of the christians or muslims, or traditionalist... and how do you even come to the conclusion that you are right about that God., did you even give any other god a chance to prove itself?....

Chevrolet076:
i'm surprised you could not reply to my message,
no problem, we shall meet some other day..... done here!

You're like back in the day, one of those guys,
that go round the school corner, stand there, waiting to pounce and fight eh

vaxx:
I care less about the biblical theology or thought that was derived to arrived at the concept.
My main defence here is challenging the statement that it is primitive belief. Which is not true.

It is primitive because the concept and its development is unsophisticated

vaxx:
According to an online dictionary, "" adjective"" primitive means 1 relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something.

2 very basic or unsophisticated in terms of comfort, convenience, or efficiency.
not developed or derived from anything else.
(of a part or structure) in the first or early stage of formation or growth; rudimentary.

I will like to know how it is correct to qualify any body who hold unto rapture believe with such an adjective.
In fact in a logical sense.
It is very proper to call the Christian who do not subscribe to this concept primitive.

Those who dont are original and knowledgeable enough to recognise that the rapture concept is an oddity

vaxx:
I am not defending rapture here, I am only challenging the claim that it is primitive believe.....
I care less about rapture.

It is primitive vaxx
It is unrefined thinking and belief
This is why I asked, out of curiosity, share ALL your understanding of what rapture is
and to give illustrations or examples of how and when rapture occurs

paxonel:
there is nothing like rapture mr man.
Real christians dont believe in that, only primitive african christians do

vaxx:
What do you mean by primitive Africans Christian.
Believing in rapture itself is a modern believe. Just some 100 years old...

Modern belief with a primitive slant

vaxx:
So nothing primitive about it.

Its primitive because the belief is oblique

vaxx:
If you do not believe it, it means you are a primitive Christian who still holds on to the core Christian tradition believe.

No. If you do not believe it, it means you're holding on to the core traditional and original early belief(s)

vaxx:
Mind you i am not a christain. I just challenge your error

You challenged a phantom error

I know you not being a christian, yet still, out of curiosity, share ALL your understanding of what rapture is?
Give illustration or examples of how and when rapture occurs

Godpolymath:
lol ashamed to mention your religion?
or are you a diest?

Are you a good and strong swimmer?
You get lifejacket that snugly fits you?
... cos I will throw you in at the deep end.
My guy, please dont try me ooo.

Godpolymath:
Alright so which religion?

You must be a learner for asking this question

butterflylion:
Muttleylaff, prophecy fulfilled!

You deserve some accolades

Someone give butterflylion some accolades
butterflylion has paid his dues
butterflylion deserves some accolades
Give Butterflyleo some accolades

Adonbilivit.
I should be asking you for numbers, if I were playing the lottery

butterflylion:
Evidence from a non existent God to show that he exists despite him already not existing to you and thereby having his non existence unable to provide a directly linked evidence to his existence? I guess you do not realise your own folly

Mental evaluation is surely needed for you.

You need to come out from the bush you have already entered.

mycoplasma:
If you can't beat them, you resort to word trade

Godpolymath:
Debating with that guy is a waste of time...

He has no point just changing your words and providing nothing to the debate.

mycoplasma, they're already beaten
but in a manner that is proper in the circumstances, employ rope-a-dope

butterflylion:
Next he would seek a definition and the name of this God.

I think you're prophesying ooo
Let's wait and see if you're proved right

Godpolymath:
Okay so plese tell me the true God

What?
Are you too far down the rabbit hole, you dont see the light of day?

OK. The true God is the Creator, responsible for the creation of the Earth, world, and universe, your Creator.

Godpolymath:
Alright but which of the gods??

Yahwe...he was brought to africa through slavery and conquest, supported slavery, genocide, killing of babies, lying and other wicked acts,
the slowpoke even sacrificed his son(himself?
i dont know christianity is just to stupid to comprehend)so that he can forgive us, he is the worst of all gods created by humans.


Zeus...Rapist, incest, useless but clearly stronger than yahwe in terms of powers..

Krishna....Peaceful, have the humans welfare at heart,but he is still a myth.

siris..An egyptian god, have some evil personality though but compare to yahwe..hehehe

Africans deity...This is what you guys call dirty and powerless, you have no idea how much the whites envy you guys, since you have been brainwash you spit on it..

odin..a god that died and the cycles repeat..

so choose one?

You're entering idolatry to the fray
You should not allow your obsession with idolatry to obscure the truth that all gods are false, and that there is only one God

Godpolymath:
lol keep comparing your god to bacteria

Whether you like or dont like, its his God as much as its yours too