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HardMirror:
h t t p s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODetOE6cbbc

Seun:
I feel that the whole God’s God thing was a waste of the brilliant animators time.
A rabbit hole that leads nowhere.

I completely concur with you, it was a waste of DarkMatter2525's and the brilliant animator's time.

I enjoy watching DarkMatter2525 videos as I always find them amusing and entertaining

AnonyNymous:
Did you watch it to the end?
You should've seen how it ended.

Pantheon:
"Whose God are you?"

Human being:
"I created all the gods,
yes, but I myself, I am not a God
I, am humanity and I created you created you because there were times when I felt scared and alone
There were times when I grieved
There were times when I felt awe and wonder,
yet didn't have the answers I so desperately wanted

but most of all, there were times when I wanted to control other people
and in all these things the creation of the gods was most useful
You may have been a necessary evil
but humanity is growing up
and the time has come to put away childish things"

God took time to create human beings in His image and likeness
the end of the animated video proved that human beings have perversely returned the favour

Seun:
I like the stuff that’s more grounded in reality
or the actual beliefs of the people we are trying to liberate

Notice the reality and separation of God from gods in DarkMatter2525's video and the brilliant animation
Astronomers cannot see dark matter directly, but can see and study its effects...

pressplay411:
This got my attention.
As noble as this is, what if you're the one who needs liberation?
I was an atheist but ended up a theist again.
I've seen both ends of the spectrum and trust me there's light at the end of only one tunnel, Christ.
Look beyond the grotesque religious charade that is more publicized and misrepresenting the real christianity.
Seek to understand Christianity, Jesus Christ and then make your verdict.
You'll realise you never really knew Him as i also realised.

Word up

QuietHammer:
Like beggar

Does Childish Gambino look like Woli Arole or not?

paparazzi1987:
He should have come up with different concept rather than copying someone else creativity

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".

paparazzi1987:
We really lack originality in 9ja

It is called parody
There is, this is Russia
There is, this is Jamaica
There is, this is Korea

Click "Like" if you agree Childish Gambino looks like as if its Woli Arole
Click "Share" if you dont agree Childish Gambino looks like as if its Woli Arole

Aaronsrod:
I caution you all, my brodas.

We must fear this pope! He is a powerful agent of Satan.

If he comes to Nigeria he will turn us all gay like oyinbo! It is part of Satans plan for Africa.

Be very careful.

Fearmongering

vaxx:
elaine morgarn a reputable biologist gave an interesting lecture on the concept.
She actually support it. .h t t p://www.ted.com/talks/elaine_morgan_says_we_evolved_from_aquatic_apes.html

Kikiki, vaxx you no go keel pesin sha

Ubenedictus:
well I guess you'll disagree with those guys on a lot of issues....

You didnt say who "them" are
Now you are again you've left scratching my head trying to guess who you mean "those guys" are

Ubenedictus:
people tend to dislike those they disagree with e.g your case with pastoraio

Husbands and wives disagree yet it doesnt turn into disliking each other

Ubenedictus:
e.g your case with pastoraio

I have more than once agreed with PastorAIO

I dont dislike PastorAIO,
What you witnessed, was just a mere case of, you have to be able to give as good as you get

Ubenedictus:
I just assumed the same for the guys above.

The western part have a colloquial that say "Ti a ba sunkun, a maa riran"
It loosely means "Crying and tear drops doesnt cause one not to see road"

Ubenedictus:
interesting,
I thought you'll dislike them

How did you come about this thought?
What instigated this thought?

How do you mean "them"? Who exactly are "them"?

Ubenedictus:
ever watch bishop baron or read cardinal Newman

I see the former to be, a contemporary engaging person
and the latter, a Simon interesting person

paxonel:
God bless the pope!
If there are more people that thinks like the pope this world will become a better place

Amen.

Godssword1:
Really?

Yes Really

paxonel:
i ask the question whsts your gain fermenting trouble by attacking people who were born with a different sexual orientation?
Same sex attraction has been detected among lower animals like insects, dogs and rabbits what makes you think it should be different with homosapiens?

No doubt, its something irritating to imagin but the best we can do is to ignore and treat them well,

Exactly what Jesus did, in healing the centurion's "servant"

paxonel:
thats what the pope is doing

Ive always taken a shine to Jorge Mario Bergoglio
Started getting fascinated by him, for his peculiar against the grain, action in 2013, on the day before Good Friday
The fascination went up a notch more because of what Eugenio Scalfari revealed, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, in private, told him about hell.
Venerable Fulton J Sheen and Cardinal Francis Arinze too, both intelligent and well informed too, I warm to.

BAVOSKI:
Mumu, must you be the first person to say rubbish

omartins:
Already in every news.

O pari
The End ni opin cinema
SMH

dre11:
Posted By: Eric Ikhilae, Abuja

A leading Pentecostal church in the country, the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG) has issued a directive compelling members intending to get married to subject themselves to what it called: “genital test.”

The directive, the church said, was intended as a measure against “the recurrence of cases of marital crises resulting from falsehood, especially in the case of undeclared or unconfessed reproductive/genital status.”

The church’s directive is contained in a document dated May 10, 2018, signed by Pator J. F. Odeola for the General Overseer.

The document labelled “memo,” from Assistant General Overseer (Admin & Personnnel), with reference: RCCG/PERS/IFO/AD/MENO/10/05/2018, has as subject: Directive on pre-marital examination.

The “memo” reads: “Calvary greetings in Jesus’ name.

“The Mission Authority has observed the recurrence of cases of marital crises resulting from falsehood, especially in the case of undeclared or unconfessed reproductive/genital status.

“We have the directive of the General Overseer to instruct the entire Mission’s outpost that forthwith, pre-marital medical examination for intending couples should also include genital test.

“Further, Provinces are requested to register with particular (trusted) government approved hospital for the various pre-marital examinations for intending couples.

“Remain blessed in this season of songs and victory in Jesus’ name, amen.”

Efforts by The Nation to get a clarification, as regard what the church’s definition of “genital test” implies, was not successful as known court’s spokespersons declined to comment on the issue.
http://thenationonlineng.net/rccg-orders-genital-test-for-members/

Fake News

johnydon22:
We are yet to hear any atheistic perspective. Hopefullandlord martinez, hahn, invite others

I sure hope named and invitees stick to and within the confines of the topic/heading and the original post

ollah2:
Mind explaining the bolded

What, in the emboldened, exactly, you want explained?

AbuMikey:
I'm not a Christian

Good

AbuMikey:
I'm a nonreligious theist, and super proud of it.

You need to be and start being religious though
You need that religious characteristic that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless
Its a game changer AbuMikey

sonmvayina:
The council of Nicea invented Christianity
as a means of social engineering,
but most importantly as a mockery against God almighty..

Watch "Satan's family - greatest deception" 3 on YouTube..

Thank you ojaare

Damdeyz:
I appreciate the fact that you took out time to attach scriptures.
However, I do think your observation is out of tangent and ambivalent.
One time you're opposing the article, another time you're slightly defending it.

My topic is centred on vain repetition and cursing of enemies during prayers and Spiritual warfare even.
Does a Christian need a baying rendition and excessive repetition to oust spirits?

I am at ease with the commendable points you raised in the thread's original post

It is clear in you original post that you arent conflating personalities with principalities and power of Satan

It is further clear in your original post, you are positing that, in Matthew 5:44, where Jesus gave the advice:
"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you..."
the enemy to love and bless, is the personality, and not principality and/or power of Satan

You see, I wasnt responding to the topic nor the original post

I jumped on board the thread, only after you responded to AK6464's rightfully dropped succinct very good comment.

AK6464 in the post, alluded to the identity of the enemy
and backed it up with a social media well publicised still fresh in the mind recent example
(i.e. the one that plagued the IGP on Tuesday past)

Remember AK6464's bottom line?
Where he posted:
"The enemy in prayer should not be seen as a fellow human being"

Do you also remember your response to AK6464's comment was:
"Should cursing "spirits" be the right approach then?
Please reply with irrefutable back-up from the scriptures."

These "spirits" are already cursed as they are,
and even if one's tries cursing them, they arent going to get more cursed than they already are

One, in the name of Jesus Christ, rebukes spirits, principalities and/or power of Satan
That is the right approach, not cursing.

AK6464:
Knowing who the enemy is very vital in prayer,
there are manipulative spirits that tend to control a man,
e.g. the one sent against the IGP on Tuesday.

The enemy in prayer should not be seen as a fellow human being

Damdeyz:
Should cursing 'spirits' be the right approach then?
Please reply with irrefutable back-up from the scriptures.

"Away from me, Satan!" Jesus declared.
"For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.'"
- Matthew 4:10

But He turned and said to Peter,
"Get behind Me, Satan!
You are a stumbling block to Me;
for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."
- Matthew 16:23

¹⁶One day as we were going to the place of prayer,
we were met by a young servant woman who had an evil spirit that enabled her to predict the future.
She earned a lot of money for her owners by telling fortunes.
¹⁷She followed Paul and us, shouting,
“These men are servants of the Most High God!
They announce to you how you can be saved!”
¹⁸She did this for many days, until Paul became so upset that he turned around
and said to the spirit,
“In the name of Jesus Christ I order you to come out of her!”
The spirit went out of her that very moment.
¹⁹When her owners realized that their chance of making money was gone,
they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them to the authorities in the public square.
- Acts 16:16-19

²³Suddenly a man with an unclean spirit cried out in the synagogue:
²⁴“What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?
Have You come to destroy us?
I know who You are—the Holy One of God!”
²⁵But Jesus rebuked the spirit and said,
“Be silent! Come out of him!”
²⁶At this, the unclean spirit threw the man into convulsions
and came out with a loud shriek
- Mark 1:23-25

As "spirits" are already cursed
the right approach then, especially the wayward ones, is to REBUKE them.

Notice above, how Jesus and Paul, without sweating
and void of theatrical performances often seen displayed today, successfully read the Riot Act to spirits.

johnydon22:
Human intelligence is a recipe to existential crisis.
We not only able to perceive the world around us,
we are also capable of questions regarding the universe and existence herself.

One question that is at the pinnacle of our enquiry is
Why exactly does anything exist at all?

"Worthy are You, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power;
for You created all things,
and because of Your will they existed and were created."
- Revelation 4:11

Where there's a will there's a way.
If One is determined enough, One can find a way to achieve what One wants, even if it is very hard.
Genesis 18:14, Jeremiah 32:27 and Luke 1:37 are useful and informative, methinks.
I guess, anything exist at all because, creation was and/or is calling, to be created

johnydon22:
Very many approaches we have towards answering this questions may lead us towards different method of thinking and worldview,
but one thing neither of us can deny is: The universe exists

Whether as a hologram
objective matter
matrix

The universe exists as an objective matter with a matrix undertone

johnydon22:
what ever your perception about the universe is, the end point is; it exists.
And this begs the question; Why?
Why does something exist rather than nothing?

Why not?
Why does this thread had to be opened rather than not be opened?
Prerogative things?

johnydon22:
Theologically, the natural answer to this question is, God

Now let's behave correctly and be properly theologically sensible here
If its going to be a theologically natural response to the question then, then the answer has to be, it is because God said and/or says so

After all, the "Let..." catchphrase
as in, to cause and make something to happen by not doing anything to stop it from coming into being
or to allow someone to do something by not doing anything to stop the action
or give your permission for something to take place and come about
is a recognisable special one that is associated with a particular famous Person.

johnydon22:
From conventional religious world view the universe was created out of nothing (Ex nihilo) by God.

From conventional religious world view the universe, was created, CORRECTLY, "creatio ex-materia"

johnydon22:
But then the question we are addressing is;
Why is there something instead of nothing?
And if God is the answer then obviously God is also something
and thus if we must pursue this question courageously we must ask the next question.

Why is there God (something) rather than nothing?

The obvious answer to this theologically is that God has always existed

At the emboldened underlined. Bravo!
Where there is nothing, there is God.

johnydon22:
This argument can also be extended to the universe
by stating it has always existed therefore eliminating the need for God as a cause
(not necessarily as a designer)

[img]https://s1/images/HistoryUniverse.jpg[/img]
God CREATED the universe
not much different to how, Bill Gates, created the world's largest software business, Microsoft, using a combination of knowledge and method(s)?

I am sorry I cant, in toto, tell you EXACTLY how, God designed and created the universe.
Reiterating, conventional wisdom, plus science, as seen in above pic,
however each, give a simplified understanding of everything that happened 1 second after the Big Bang

Let's discuss, close to home - man's sperm;
a worthy of attention workmanship of an Intelligent Designer

In creation of human, the journey of the sperm in search of the egg, is mind-boggling and extremely interesting

johnydon22:
Aristotle argued that the idea of an uncaused cause is nonsensical, that the universe just is.

Going further in this answer, we explore the remarkable position of the ancient Hindus.
They happen to have a profound perspective on existence, cosmological causality.

Like Aristotle, the Hindus believe in an eternal universe but this eternity is looped like a circle.
From Hindu cosmogony; the universe is going through an eternal loop of death and rebirth.
A circular existential model that makes out the universe to be just an incessant repetition or perfect balance between birth and death.
An old universe dies and a new one springs up from it, round and round it goes.

One of the implications of the big bang model is an oscillating universe.
This implication suggests that with the right amount of gravitational force present in the universe,
the universe will eventually collapse on itself and form a kind or singularity which ultimately sparks off another Big bang
and thus it goes like the Hindu model.

Now with this background in place i will go ahead and make my own argument:

I happen to think that ex nihilo is nonsensical at best
(Though i leave a possibility due to the knowledge that my perception on the necessity of causality is not objectively or cosmologically binding,
it is just the reach of my perception)

Even if the universe was designed, i do not think God created the universe out of nothing,
i do believe if we apply the principle of design as we know it just like the principle of causality;
you can't design nothing but can design something.

so for God to design the universe, the universe must have existed in a raw form prior to God's manipulation (ex materia).

Therefore i hold the idea that the universe has always existed whether designed or not.

And if the universe have always existed, the question why is there something instead of nothing becomes a logical absurdity..

Even astronomers, are at sea, because all the stars, planets and galaxies that can be seen today, make up just 4% of the universe,
whilst the rest 96% of the universe, is made of mysterious and invisible matter.

These mysterious substances are called dark energy and dark matter

Dark matter, which makes up 22% of the universe, is a material that has yet to be detected in the laboratory

Dark energy is a gravitationally repulsive entity.
Its existence is confirmed and determined to fill 74% of the universe.

johnydon22:
What about you?

"Why Is There Something Instead Of Nothing? A Philosophical Overview"

If about above quotation, then nothing created God.
Even Aristotle, that you previously quoted, accepts God, who is the First Cause, as a necessary being who has always existed from eternity.

johnydon22:
What do you think?

I am thinking:
If atheism is true, that God doesnt exist, then, God created nothing.
If theism is true, that God exists and exists as a First Cause, then, God created nothing

The nothing created, is not a vacuum (i.e. it's not an empty space or something entirely devoid of matter)
The empty space is actually, in the universe, depicted as the lying on its side church dumbbell cone of expansion image above,
and the empty space is something from nothing
Now where there is nothing, there is God, a non-physical Force, who is another Something.

johnydon22:
Do you subscribe to the ex nihilo or ex materia?

Again, friend, "creatio ex-materia"
and not ex materia, as you incorrectly put it
Without a shadow of doubt, subscription is trio
"creatio ex nihilo" "creatio ex-materia" and "creatio ex deo"

johnydon22:
Why do you think there is something rather than nothing?

¹In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
²The same was in the beginning with God.
³All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
- John 1:1-3

Just like Aristotle, I believe, God to be the Prime Mover/Unmoved Mover,
who caused creation into existence but no one caused God to exist.

Reiterating, the nothing, is not a vacuum
The empty space is the universe depicted as the lying on its side church dumbbell cone of expansion image above,
and the empty space is something from nothing
Now when and/or where there is nothing, there is God, a non-physical Force, immaterial Something.

"I'm not religious in the normal sense.
I believe the universe is governed by the laws of science.
The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws."
- Stephen Hawking ©

lilfreezy:
whoever wrote this speech is full of evil .
How will you write one full page of
"Omission of effective transmission transmission... I mean, sorry, transmission effective omission, I mean..."

Leave me, lemme faint

"...sorry SIR"... he said though

When you need reading glasses to see properly what's written on your speech
but ego and/or pride wont allow you to put them or contact lenses on

Just borrow one off your colleagues or surbordinates... ah.

vaxx:
i never recall in any of my post or any of my thread where i claim i am an ogun worshiper,
and beside i have always describe myself as traditionalist faithful and ifa adherent to be precise.

Behave,
the internet never forgets or forgives

vaxx:
i never used the word WORSHIP to qualify myself with any orisha. .
that to me is another hogwash.
you are seriously doing a bad job for quoting me out of context bro.
and if you do clearly follow my thread, you will realize i am not an advocate of superstition
nor do i subscribe to this chain you are trying to roped me with.
if you want to know more about ogun, create a thread on it. i will honor it.

You want to play the nuance card, right.
Answer this then,
OK, as a professed traditionalist faithful and ifa adherent, do you make and/or pay obeisance to Ogun or not?

hopefulLandlord:
Spoken word created Honda too

I think you're better off talking to winner01 though, he's comparing creation of cars and "creation" of oceans even though its obvious they aren't the same thing!

Cars are created ex-materia (from preexisting materials like rubber, iron ore etc)
while he's implying Oceans are "created" ex-nihilo then conflating the two like they're the same,

can winner01 give us anything he has experienced being created ex-nihilo?
or maybe something being spoken into existence?

Yup, created a scene and fist-fight out of nothing
Cooked up a scrumptious dish out of nothing

The universe was created out of nothing
The waters (i.e. oceans) is "creatio ex-materia"

budaatum:
I too have not seen a Honda Accord created.
But I can find out if it was, how it was, where it was, and who created it, easily.
I can, if I am so concerned, even go watch a Honda Accord created by a creator, from scratch.

There does not seem to exist, the evidence for the creator you mention though, or that everything that exists was created.

You have a GSOH

dalaman:
He should tell us when he saw the oceans been created.

budaatum:
Or at least tell us the process by which it was created.

⁶Yahweh created the heavens by His command,
the sun, moon, and stars by His spoken word.
⁷He gathered all the seas into one place;
He shut up the ocean depths in storerooms.
- Psalm 33:6-7

Anas09:
I sir. I am the Israelite of the Bible.

Since he said the Israelites of the Bible were blacks and i am black, i'm one of the Israelites of the Bible.

Thus saith the LORD,
Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away?
or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you?
Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves,
and for your transgressions is your mother put away
- Isaiah 50:1

There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
- Galatians 3:28

It'll take a miracle, for him and the other three pretenders laying claims, to overcome the learned misleading information, that they are the Israelites of the bible.

MrPresident1:
When the cities are wasted without inhabitant, your eyes will open

Anas09:
Let's wait and See.

MrPresident1:
Christ is the firstfruits of them that slept, He is the overall head of all principalities and powers, both seen and unseen. You will wake up when you see the cities wasted without inhabitant.

Isaiah 6:9-11
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,

²⁰And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
²¹Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
²²For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
(i.e. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written)
- Luke 21:20-22

I wouldnt waste my breath, as I dont think you read the memo that the desolation already happened 40 years after Jesus ascended to heaven, in 70 AD actually and to be precise

MrPresident1:
Psalm 135:21
Blessed be the LORD out of Zion, which dwelleth at Jerusalem. Praise ye the LORD.

As you can see, this is the Psalmist telling you that the LORD's dwelling is in Jerusalem. As the LORD is the King of the world, it means that Jerusalem is His capital and seat of government.

Solomon, sat on the throne of the LORD as King; Solomon is the son of David, he was able to sit on the LORD's throne because the throne of the LORD has been given to David and his sons forever

1 Chronicles 29:23
Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

If America wants to formally put her embassy in Jerusalem,
at least they should show us David, or his son who should rule in his stead, but no.
What is about to happen tomorrow is an abomination of the grossest proportions,
it is a perfidy and God will not allow it to stand.
This is a coup against God, a serious attempt to usurp His position and power.

I completely concur with the above emboldened

MrPresident1:
Where is David?

Never mind about David, as God knows where he at

vaxx:
go thru this thread below,
i pointed out a lot of evidence of biblical Jesus that has been confirm to be real
not just by road side historians but from the reputable university source..( Cambridge and Emory)
what is yet to be confirm is the miracle and the virgin birth ascribe to him

MuttleyLaff:
Please clearly express or rephrase what you mean by the above emboldened
Are you waving off and dismissing the miracle virgin birth of Jesus Christ?

vaxx:
yes no

Whats yes no?
Its either, yes or its either no
yes no, is not on
You can't eat your cake, and have it too.

vaxx:
Single rigorous study to show he was born by a virgin, apart from what the bible stated

You being a self-titled traditionalist, a publicly self-confessed Ogun worshipper to be precise
apart from what legend states, can you attest of any rigorous study that supports the claim,
that Ogun descended down to earth from heaven climbing on a spiderweb?

vaxx:
so the acceptance that he was born by a virgin is faith based in which i have no issues with.

Nothing can be done without being faith based.

So are you ruling out that Jesus is born by a virgin?

Do you have issues with reconciling the fact that in-vitro gametogenesis (IVG) research discoveries
have revealed that, in the not-so-distant future, eggs and sperms may no longer be needed to make a baby?

The penny drops.
Looks like, God, in this area of virgin birth expertise, is way ahead of science,
as science is doing catching up, with this particular skill, learning and trying to figure out how it is done