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hopefulLandlord:
There's Literally NO post flow to be followed

None of the previous posts related to that were hidden.
The anonymous question that he asked is still viewable, the post replying it is still there which is the first link I gave, the post Butter used to reply the person is still right there

If one or more of them were hidden then I understand some evidence can no longer be seen but no, all are still right there

Anyways, that's not my circus and those aren't my monkeys

AnonyNymous:
All I LITERALLY said was "Define Unnatural".

hopefulLandlord:
https://www.nairaland.com/4456977/theresa-may-calls-same-sex-marriages/2#66785559

That's where someone replied Anonymous

Butter quoted the person's post here starting with the statement "He's an atheist"

https://www.nairaland.com/4456977/theresa-may-calls-same-sex-marriages/2#66785816


Now its possible its a mistake on Butter's part to which he would've simply said "I made a mistake, I wasn't referring to you"
OR "I never knew you were an atheist" but he went on denying and even posted screenshots and coped and pasted the Convo like it changes what's there. Why double down at all?

Ranchhoddas:
You're not Christian?
Wanna explain that?

hopefulLandlord:
Well, if Anonynynous said someone is a Christian and the person says " I'm not a Christian " then the sensible thing for Anonynynous so do is to admit his error in assumption rather than go round claiming not to have said what he said and posting screenshots while claiming to be referring to someone else.
We all make guesses and when such are proven wrong we stand corrected especially when the evidence of our being wrong is objective to any thinking person

AnonyNymous:
First of all, I don't have that big an ego to not be able to admit when I'm wrong.
I understand that Christian humanists exist, and if I wrongly branded you a Christian I'd apologise for my error.

First of all, I've corrected Mr Butterfly MANY times on here, he KNOWS that I'm not an atheist
but he did what he did because he's a mischievous character and has zero Christ in him.

Apart from that, he's not the sole reason I opened this thread.
I opened this thread as a response to the hostility I faced for two words, 'define unnatural'.
Some of the responses I got are too graphic to even begin to describe, and their posts have been collapsed.
I got so many of them, and I came to express my irritation at the HYPOCRISY of people who claim to be like Christ.

hopefulLandlord:
@Anonynynous, There's a misconception that is prevalent here.
Once anyone argues against Christianity in any form such a person is quickly branded "atheist".
Menxer got frustrated with the constant slapping of the atheist tag on him by Christians and his case is not an isolated one

However I find it bizarre the kinda denial in that post you're referring to as its obvious to anyone with a thinking brain that he's referring to you as an atheist.

Its common sense really, If someone quotes this post and another person quotes the person to say " Don't mind him, he's a Christian that's why he's talking like that" its pretty obvious such a person is referring to me. there's absolutely no need for the mental gymnastics of saying he is referring to "someone else" I mean I understand dishonesty but that's plain old lying when evidence is right there for everyone to see!
Rather than say "I thought you were an atheist" or "Okay, I got that wrong" which is understandable, what's the point of going to the thread to post screenshots? is it a case of abysmal level of intelligence or such person is too blind to see the evidence shows he was referring to you?
This is childish level of lying and its good Muttley.laff finally stepped in when the dishonesty is getting too much for him to bear rather than go with the flow like Emmany.stone would've

frank317:
Many chriatians are just angry people... butterylion is one of such. All they do is project their anger on atheists. In their mind they want to see u suffer for not believing in their God.
Imagine a Christian lady whom i was doing quite better than in life asking me if where i was in life(as per wealth) was where i was supposed to be just becauae i told her i dont pray.
They cannot be happy to see that things are going well with u.
And u can see their anger in every statement they make, it is there in every word.
And so when u challenge anything they believe they quickly let their fruatration out. How ever, to conveniently insult u, they tell themselves they are doing it for god and also tell themselves that u insulted them(just because u are in total disagreement)

This is why they go all over the place saying atheists are insultive. But all my times in this forum i only see Christians forcing atheists to insult.
Felixomore used to do this, if he argues with u and cannot provide answers to ur question he will start calling out ur family, same with emmany who will immediatly take it personal and start wiahing u death. Butter's new tactics is to ask me fooliah question about my wife whenever i question his believe as if he knows anything about her.
The bad news is they still think they are doing the right thing just because are defending God
Thats why our society is going down.. segregation, hatred, killing, insults all in name of a God no one has ever seen.
The mind game u see here on nairaland is the battle field we face out there in the real world.

Butterflyleo:
My bro my feathers are not even ruffled.

I just gave my final word so I am done. Sleep sef is knocking on my door and I cannot keep it out in the cold.

AnonyNymous:
Conveniently ignoring the fact that you told lies to drive your point home.
I'll know not to engage you again.

Butterflyleo:
Are you an atheist? Yes or no

AnonyNymous:
Mister, you quoted someone who quoted me, telling him I was an atheist!
What else are you asking me??

Butterflyleo:
Are you an atheist?

AnonyNymous:
And Nairaland is a cross section of Nigeria, so its safe to assume that a sizeable portion of so called Christian Nigerians have so much hatred in their hearts.
I used to be extremely active on this section but I had to leave.
I couldn't stand the name calling, the petty insults masked as 'arguments', the intellectual dishonesty, and so on.
Of all the people I've encountered here, only ONE has behaved 'Christ-like' in a manner
that I was truly able to enjoy discussing with him and understand his point of view, clearly.
I'd like to mention his username but I wouldn't do so to protect his privacy
as I don't think he's active here anymore either.
To be honest, I was losing grip of logic
and felt encouraged to meet him in a church someday (maybe I will )
Of course, the Christian Bible (especially the old testament) is so full of violence and savagery that you wouldn't expect much from its followers- but then they claim to magically have all of that washed away by Jesus, who is supposed to be their new role model. And Jesus was a complete pacifist- nearly to the point of stupidity through the eyes of a typical person. But the so called Christians on Nairaland think that by insulting people, sometimes even making unwarranted, crude remarks about their family members, including lies to win arguments or present their position, is supposed to 'win souls' for thus same Christ.

I have met Christian humanists on reddit, YouTube comments, and some other social sites. Atheists who believe in the moral code of Jesus as a person but just don't believe in God. Honestly, if you compare their attitude to these so called "Christians", you'd wonder why these ones get to have an 'eternal bliss' in heaven while those that did everything the Bible said to do (except believe in God, lol) are going to burn in hell for all eternity. These Christians on Nairaland make the whole God thing look less believable.

I've also noticed that most Christian topics seem to be centred on atheism. One of them claimed that that's because their Christian topics get invaded. But that's a big lie. If you notice the trend here, the harmless topics get ignored- but the ones where people can come and 'flex muscles' and prove their mastery of English insults always end up with the highest number of pages. I wonder if it makes their god, or Jesus happy. You know, to condemn others on the internet. LOL.

Why am I ranting? Well on the thread about Theresa May advocating for same sex marriage, I made a simple comment, asking someone for his own definition of natural- since homosexuality is observable in over 1500 other animal species (nature).

I was suddenly hounded by barrages of insults from Christians. I wonder if their god would be proud of them for doing so. If that would win them extra points on their heaven scoresheet.

What particularly made me mad is a long time Nairalander, who KNOWS I'm not an atheist- going to everyone who quoted me with insults and egging them on, while telling them I'm an atheist and a closeted gay guy. I was just baffled at how far these guys are willing to go. It almost seems as if their 'evangelism' on here has nothing to do with the book they claim to believe in but just to massage their ego. To prove that they are

-smart
-capable of winning arguments
-can use logic

But they all FAIL at these three, and horribly so. I'm pretty convinced that they aren't working to 'promote Christ' because they are polar opposites of the character in question.

For anyone who cares to know, I've always been of the strong belief that this physical (3 dimensional) world isn't all there is to existence, and I never ruled out the possibility of some form of a god/God, though I'm pretty convinced it isn't interested in our affairs- unless we ourselves are the gods we seek (pantheism) which makes more sense. Long story. I could talk about that in another thread.


Why else am I ranting? Being a good person gives you the highest statistical probability of a decent afterlife. (See below). Some people need religion to be good people and that's understandable. I just wanted to appeal to Christians on here to have a change of behaviour and see the quality of their discussions improve. Maybe you might even 'win a few souls' here and there. Enough of the hypocrisy.

Of course, insults are welcome.

Gggg102:
why did the universe not continue to act randomly since the beginning of the universe was chaotic?

why did planets form and cool after the big bang and started acting orderly since the big bang was chaotic?

since order could just happen after the chaos of the big bang, order can also just happen after the chaos that caused the big bang.

Butterflyleo:
This is the point you fail to see.

Take a mindless round rubber ball and put it inside a container and start shaking it around in the container.
As long as your chaotic shaking continues it will never stop bouncing around mindlessly.
Only you can CAUSE it to stop by a deliberate conscious intelligent act of stopping the container from shaking about.

Mindlessness will continue being mindless. It cannot change its mindlessness, it cannot derive order, it cannot have a meaning.
The only one who can give it meaning is an intelligence such as you who is in control of the shaking of the container.

Create a rhythm with the shaking and the ball will also develop a rhythm, remove your deliberate rhythm and its mindlessness resumes.

True or false?

darkchild64:
since you want it this way alright

darkchild64:
tell us exactly how "God" created the universe

darkchild64:
I am not satisfied with your answer, tell us the method(s) he used

darkchild64:
stop bringing the Bill Gates comparison because the methods and steps he took in creating the software is known,
his source of knowledge is also known

darkchild64:
so tell us more about how "God" used this thing you call "knowledge" to create the universe

darkchild64:
and the "method" he used

darkchild64:
that is not what I said,
all I asked you to do was to tell us how "God" created the universe,
when science comes up with any conclusion it must have methods to arrive at that
you want to prove that "God" exists using science, and I am offering you the opportunity to be scientific
HOW DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE?

darkchild64:
I am not asking you of the name of the "God"

darkchild64:
p.s quit the cursing already

darkchild64:
I thought you were a Christian and the bible says that calling someone bad names would take you to hell, abi you no dy fear hell again

darkchild64:
just to know if we are on the same page who is this "God" you are referring to,
because if by chance it is Yahweh then you are wrong, the Bible stated how he created the world

darkchild64:
could it be that Christians now entertain the idea that Yahweh may not be the one true "God",
congrats you guys are now upgrading small small,
for a Christian to say that "no one knows how "God" created the universe"
it means there is a lot going on

darkchild64:
okay fine,
butterflyleo says that science supports his claim that "God" (name witheld for unknown reasons) created the universe

happy now ??

darkchild64:
just to be sure of what you mean,
you are saying that noone can know the exact way "God" to created the universe,
however it is a combination of knowledge and method just like how Bill Gates created the Microsoft software?

darkchild64:
well I guess that is what your guilty conscience is telling you but I will let you off the hook,
I will play by your rules, I will only mention "God" and not Yahweh or Allah

darkchild64:
now first off,
since you claim "God" created the universe,
you mind telling us how and how long he did it?,
backing that up with a few evidences would help

Butterflyleo:
Sorry but this thread is not about HOW
but a simple analytical presentation using science on how the argument from causality and motion and gravity support intelligent, deliberate, purposeful origins unlike the chaotic origins being touted by science.

darkchild64:
can you describe how "God" created the universe?
if you can, go ahead,
if not, admit so,
I am not going with this rubbish excuses

Butterflyleo:
I can
but choose not to because that is not the purpose of the OP
so you can stop trying to derail

Ubenedictus:
you guys were all on the thread

Ubenedictus:
I shorten the 3 usernames, I am surprised you think I was referring to you in code in connivance with pastoraio, that is pretty surprising... are you Almighty God that I have to talk about in fear? I just don't get it.

I made a post in a thread where you guys are active and you think I was hiding it from you, aio responded without crying wolf about his username but you guys hold yourselves in such regard that to you a shorten username a a sign of ..... I just don't get it

Ubenedictus:
this is a post you made on that thread among others
that made me wonder if your theology has a room for human failure among members of the body of Christ

Ubenedictus:
you wrote:

Yes, the best thing to do will be to leave the place because they do not represent Christ there.
But, leaving a place like that, doesn't mean you should leave Christ,
because, none of those men are you model, Christ is.
And, as long as you didn't see any of their trait in Christ, you follow He who called you to everladting life.
That's why we have a Bible.
You don't throw in the Towel and say, 'Christianity is a Farce', because Men have become senseless.

there you and aio seemed to advocate leaving a congregation if sin if found there as if it was supposed to b perfect

Ubenedictus:
later you wrote:

Anything less than practising pure and faultless religion that God approves of, is not true and so thereby is false religion

Ubenedictus:
again the perfection of Christian living just without it flaws in human nature.

I responded cautiously saying I may b wrong about expounding your views...
aio certainly felt that wasn't his view,
you on the other hand thinks I was gossiping about you in code.
this is my post in question

Ubenedictus:
I may be wrong
but I see aio and emmany and mutty speak of religion in its purest idealistic form
and anathemize anything that fall under and below

Ubenedictus:
and I am almost tempted to ask if any of you guys live out the religion you profess...

Ubenedictus:
in my personal experience and in the experience of those around me it isn't perfect,
we fall under often, in fact Catholics make a point of describing Christian life as the personal workspace of the HOLY spirit
who constantly re-converts us, remake us and remold us....

in fact the awareness that I am living in Grace isn't the most interesting thing in my Christian life,
it is instead that act of falling down on my kneels
as God exposes parts of my life and attitudes, behavior and thoughts I have falsely built and leads me to a new path....
that is for me one of the best effects of grace.
living below what is perfect has not made me a lesser Christian,
it has led me forward it is part of what is genuinely Christian, the Christian is not a perfect product,
in my experience he is God's work in progress

Ubenedictus:
I don't agree with you guys that a Christian doesn't steal, cheat, fornicate or commit sin,
cos he does, his benefit is simply the remaking, renewing and converting power of the HOLY spirit.

I have never seen the Christian Church as a gathering of the perfect, that is Calvinist,
for me it is a hospital for sinners, constantly healing and been healed....

I don't agree with this idea of perfection you guys seem to advocate

Emmanystone:
For you to quote this and mention me means you believe what he said right?

So you believe a Jewish Rabbi will tell a Gentile that the Nation of Israel was never captives in Egypt at point in time,
and there was never a Red Sea Crossing?
The 40yrs wandering in the Wilderness never happened.
You believe a Moses never lived as a human?
Meaning there was no Wars which led to the Conquest of Canaan?

Are you this desperate?

PastorAIO:
I have no reason to disbelief the man.
Plus, his rabbi friend is not the only rabbi that will affirm that.

Not only will rabbis say it never happened but historians too will agree with them. Especially the top Jewish historians.

The Egyptians would were meticulous record keepers never made a single mention of the event either

PastorAIO:
The Jews were Canaanites who overthrew their ruling class and created an anarchist society.
Out of this a new religion slowly emerged out of the old religions of the canaanites.
But it was a long and protracted process.

Ubenedictus:
I remember the thread, I don't forget my post.

Ubenedictus:
there is no code there,
your names are confusing, I shortened it,
I assumed you were on the thread so you'll see the most

Ubenedictus:
it was addressed to 3 people about perfectionism

PastorAIO:
But it is not.

PastorAIO:
You are the one that has dragged me here kicking and screaming

PastorAIO:
I'm even amazed that I'm still here.

PastorAIO:
Snotty. Definately not. I blow my nose quite thoroughly. And a take plenty of Vitamin C and Zinc.

Snooty. Perhaps. But everybody has their vibe and I will defend to the death my right to remain in my vibe/camp and not venture to issues that I have no interest in.

Conceited. A Conceit is a fantasy. Yes, I do have an imagination. What's your problem with that? And what bearing does that have on any thing I've said?

MuttleyLaff:
Snotty has a dual meaning

PastorAIO:
Yet what bearing does it have ...?

PastorAIO:
Snotty. Definately not. I blow my nose quite thoroughly. And a take plenty of Vitamin C and Zinc.

Snooty. Perhaps. But everybody has their vibe and I will defend to the death my right to remain in my vibe/camp and not venture to issues that I have no interest in.

Conceited. A Conceit is a fantasy. Yes, I do have an imagination. What's your problem with that? And what bearing does that have on any thing I've said?

MuttleyLaff:
Snotty has a dual meaning

Ubenedictus:
I didn't call u in code, your username is fairly confusing I chose to shorten it.

PastorAIO:
I've just been made aware of this post.
I scrolled up and did not even see where I'd ever contributed to this thread talk less of quoting you,
and even lesser or leaster of quoting you in code

PastorAIO:
This is not even the kind of thread that I would engage in.

Coldfeets:
Can you see how foolish you sound?

Coldfeets:
That's exactly what religion does to your thinking.

VBCampaign:
Nigerians and Our Inability to Listen

by Deji Yesufu

I teach Bible Study at church every Sunday and therefore I should be at the preparatory class that is held at church on Thursday evenings. I must say that since joining this group, my understanding of Christian fellowship has blossomed. I wish to state here that those who kick against going to church, in their campaign against pastors and churches, are doing their souls great evil. There is a blessing when Christians sit and discuss, especially when such discussions centre on the Bible.

The Bible Study preparatory class is for two hours. Our coordinator ensures that at most 90 minutes of that time is dedicated to discussions, debates and questions on the text. Everyone is at liberty to speak. We have people in their 80s and we have young students in their early 20s. It is such a blessing.

We have been studying the book of Exodus at church Bible Study. We had looked at Exodus 25, where God began to speak to Moses in a lengthy discuss that will not end until chapter 31. A brother then pointed us to the fact of Moses listening throughout as God reeled out instructions on the building of the Tabernacle in the wilderness and other issues. He then asked: have we ever wondered at how difficult it is to listen? He said that it is easier to talk than to listen to others.

Then another brother made a point. He said that during his trip to South Africa he discovered that about the first lessons Nigerians learn is the ability to listen. He said that usually when you see a loud and boisterous fellow in public, that person is very likely a Nigerian and it is possible he just arrived. He said with time, Nigerians realize that they are not as smart as they think. That the people who are not talking, have chosen not to talk, not for want of what to say but because they have learnt to listen to others.

For a person like me that is naturally sanguine in nature, that was very instructive.

There is a blessing in listening to others. At the close of the day, one learns a great deal listening than rattling off all that one knows. And if one were to speak, the wisdom gathered by listening to others will inform the wisdom in the words that one will finally speak with.

So, listen...

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Seun, Lalasticlala

FOLYKAZE:
Oh please can you help us with the numbers of people Satan killed

FOLYKAZE:
The red colored statement of yours further shows that the act of killing wasn't done by Satan but Yahweh.
That, who order killing is also a murderer.

FOLYKAZE:
And please stop making things up.
You need to show how Satan steals, how he killed, how he destroyed.

FOLYKAZE:
You are actually depicting your God as a blood thirsty beast who derived joy in the killing unborn children
and little innocent adolescent who does not understand the law, concept of sin and general way of life.

Maybe it is a judgement to you, when the blood thirsty God ordered his foot soldiers to smash babies head on a rock,
and remove foetus with a sword.

And I ask, what are the sins of children which cause of their death is God?

That is not moral standard. It is judgement huh?

What is God judging a day old baby for?
What are the sins of baby that died?

FOLYKAZE:
If I were to define Judgment, I would say it is a way of making a decision.
However, this decision can either be just or unjust.
When the decision of God is unjust, it practically mean he is evil and the he is the devil

FOLYKAZE:
This makes me remember a story from John 9.
It is a story about a boy that was born without an eye.
From the day he was born, till he met Jesus, this boy cannot sight anything.
And when Jesus was asked, what exactly the sin of the young man is. He answered in John 9:3
Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Neither the boy or his parents has sinned. So why the hell did God makes him suffer and lost in total darkness?
Ya, it is judgement, according to you.
So I asked my dear. what is the sin, basis and reason why God make this boy blind?
Jesus answered it....He wants to glorify Himself with the suffering, pains, agony and anguish of been in darkness since birth.

That God of yours dude is a sadist.
He enjoys making people suffer for no just cause.
And you were mentioning judgement when there is no justice, uprightness and fairness.
There is no wrongdoing, what is your God judging?

FOLYKAZE:
Oh! God's gift is very unpleasant when one divorce his wife.
Maybe God doesn't know the right partner for a supposed husband.

The selection of gifts from God, especially in a case of raping, fornication and adulery explains that your God has a bad choices.
Many' unwanted' children have been given birth to from inactions of their parents which could be rape, fornication and adultery.
Would you regard these kids as gift from God?
If yes, God bless the sinners.
Law against sin has been invalidated

Hosea 2:4 "Upon her children I have no pity, because they are children of whoredom"

Deuteronomy 23:2 "those born of an illicit union shall not be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.
Even to the tenth generation, none of their descendants shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD."

And the Holy Lord BLESSED illicit union of two grown up adults with a child.
This child, according to you, is a GIFT from God. It doesn't matter if he is a product of rape, adultery or fornication, the child is a GIFT. But the God turns around to reject and throw out this precious GIFT of his from his fold. This God must be crazy

FOLYKAZE:
A woman is a subject of a man just like a man is a subject to God.
At least that is how the bible made us understand.
As the case may be, a Christian that supports killing of mankind by a God should be able to support raping of a wife by husband.
Afterall, we are God own property just like my wife is my property.

MizMyColi:
Eh, okay. Back and forth is now too much on this one.
I agree.

If words of affirmation were your primary love language, then you would have no iota of doubt left to give a doubt. Wait, what am I even saying?

Thank you



Thank you
Wait you know that's my birthday, right?
Boy, does it feel good to know someone outside my immediate family actually STILL remembers without Facebook reminding them?
Ehn ehn, shebi I told you I purposely said that cos it came to my head.
That I said that does not mean I meant it nau, or that I actually was

CuteMadridista:
Christians would say
Yahweh created everything
so He has the right to kill what He created
just playing the devil's, oopss, advocate here

FOLYKAZE:
He is right.
Can you help us list the numbers of people killed directly and indirectly by Yahweh

FOLYKAZE:
For the record,
Satan didn't kill anyone in the bible

FOLYKAZE:
If killing is evil, base on our moral standard, Yahweh is the devil

FOLYKAZE:
That attempt is very poor.

So parents havs rights to kill their children because they bore them?

A man has right to rape a woman because he has paid her bride prize?

shadeyinka:
What's your take on mental illnesses?
Kleptomaniac
Bestality
Pica disorders
Pedophilea

Let me give you Wikipedias definition of pedophilia

Let me rephrase it to suit the subject of discuss
And since you want a exegesis: I'll give you another scripture:

Rev15:22
15 Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Kotodoctor:
I do not hate homo sexuals as people.
I hate what they represent in relations to human growth and overall progress.

is already. Their lies it's rebellion. There lies it's sin.

My opinion as led by God's spirit in me.

shadeyinka:
Its not about your opinion but what the Bible says

1 Cor 6:9
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves.
Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality

Sarassin:
I wrote once that I have had to obtain knowledge and learning at times through extreme measures. Once I found myself asking a magickal adept a pointed question, “what is the secret of creation?” and "what are the governing principles of the universe?” the reply was emphatic as it was unforgettable, “I had to learn” my reply was that I had learned everything that I had been taught but I felt that I had become stagnant in my practice.

The next time we met was in a temple for a cleansing ritual, I stood before a deep stone water trough and was asked to dip my head in, as I did so, I immediately felt a hand on my neck and shoulders, I sought to bring my head back up, it was impossible, my head was firmly gripped under water, I could not breathe, I began to thrash around arms flailing to no avail, I started to black-out and it began to dawn on me, not for the first time in my life that I was facing the very real possibility that I would lose my life, I thought of everything that I held dear, and then at the very moment I felt death encroaching on my consciousness I summoned one last supreme effort to break myself free.

I threw myself up with what I thought was every ounce of energy I possessed, at that very moment, he relaxed the grip on my neck and I went flying backwards, spluttering water and thoroughly angry, through a mixture of tears and water in my eyes I could have strangled the guy whilst he calmly stared at me. I asked if he was trying to drown me? He asked me why I fought back, this was an elderly person I would ordinarily never seek to lay hands on, I said surely I could not breathe…

His reply was that Enlightenment is breath in itself and that if breath was worth fighting for, then so is enlightenment and all that encompasses it. The same effort you engender with your dying breath is sometimes what is required to receive enlightenment, I experienced “little death” just so my mentor could make a point, the enigma being that the ultimate revelation, is but a revelation.

Our base instincts are the engine room of our spiritual vehicles, under-powered, you just toddle along.
One cannot truly appreciate Heaven until one has been to Hell
and you cannot truly Love until you have learned how to hate completely and with all your heart.

blessedvisky:
See how he pounded that underage chameleon.
You should be arrested!

Babalawos:
Chameleon is a wonderful animal that changes colour to it environment.

Chameleon is a very important animal in AFRICAN TRADITION RELIGION.

Chameleon was the only animal that challenged and defeated Olokun when all the divinities (Orishas) could not challenge Olokun.

If you want to command wealth, respect, favour, success, power, honour, protection or have magickal powers, then you need a powerful charm or spell prepared with live chameleons.

Here is my video of using a live chameleon to prepare a powerful charm in my shrine with my name and details printed on a white paper in the video to proof 100% ownership of the video.
This video is 100% real and not edited.

h t t ps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjMV3hYnaaE

NOTE: Be careful when holding a live chameleon with your bare hands.

Babalawos