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budaatum:
Thanks for your input Hati13. Egypt, which is in Africa, at one point was way more advanced than the whole of Europe. Writing was done there long before the Europeans formed script, and the societies were way more developed.
Ordinary Timbuktu in the 12th century had a place of learning comparable to any place of learning in existence in Europe.
It was a depository for thousands of books and thousands of people went there to study and learn

In the 14th century and not the 12th century

budaatum:
Nowhere in the area known as Nigeria today had anything comparable to any of these is my point, and not that the entire Africa was less advanced than Europe.

Ordinary Timbuktu wasnt really that ordinary, it was a religious city.
Even a West African proverb hints about this:
"Salt comes from the north, gold from the south and silver from the country of the white men,
but the word of God and the treasures of wisdom are only to be found in Timbuktu."

budaatum:
Nowhere in the area known as Nigeria today had anything comparable to any of these is my point,
and not that the entire Africa was less advanced than Europe.

I reasonably agree with the point

budaatum:
I am sure you could not have read only one book, but to claim I have not read any at all, or was repeating what I was told, is rather demeaning, don't you think?

And one does not only have to read the history of it but sociological development too.
Take the relationship to gods, for instance.
Start with the gods of Europe, and how the Europeans evolved their ideas of the gods over time.
First they had many gods who intervened in everything, including the wind and individual peoples' fate.
But gradually, they realised these gods of things were so absurd that they abandoned them all for one superior god who intervened in the wind and individual fate.
1800 years later, here they are abandoning that one god and becoming atheists.
Now consider where we are on the god evolution scale.

Please list the names of these gods of Europe and their countries?
What and who is the one superior god who intervened in the wind and individual fate they've settled for?

budaatum:
Atheism is only just now raising its head in Nigeria,
and I reckon we would be bowing our heads to those gods for another hundred or so years.
By then, the Europeans would most likely have built heaven itself!

Mr & Mrs Tai Solarin of Mayflower School?
Prof Wole Soyinka?

Image123:
Errrrrrrmmmmmmm, thank you for your grace and mercy.
Now, I corrected the atheist by reminding him that animals were dying, so Adam and Eve had an idea what death was

Fair dos but I then asked you:
1/ Please what were animals dying of and/or from?
2/ Animals were dying of what please?

What are your reasons, why would animals die or be dying before the Fall of Man

Image123:
At least you would surely agree that plants were dying or is there still some twist to this?

This your plants strawman angle is neither here nor there.
"...plants were dying..." is not dying, in the same sense, as that of, human beings or animals dying now.

Why are you throwing in plants into all this anyway
when you know, accept and agree that God decreed plants to be food, dont you?

Blood was used to cleanse almost everything, because if no blood is shed, no sins can be forgiven.
Have plants blood?

Give your "...or is there still some twist to this" innuendoes a rest, will ya

Image123:
i don't know how easy you find it to use a one verse prophecy still very future to ESTABLISH something that happened already

⁶Wolves will live with lambs. Leopards will lie down with goats.
Calves, young lions, and year-old lambs will be together, and little children will lead them.
⁷Cows and bears will eat together. Their young will lie down together. Lions will eat straw like oxen.
⁸Infants will play near cobras' holes. Toddlers will put their hands into vipers' nests.
⁹They will not hurt or destroy anyone anywhere on my holy mountain.
The world will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD like water covering the sea.
- Isaiah 11:6-9

If you're reserved because Isaiah 65:25, as you've said, is one verse, what of Isaiah 11:6-9 then?
Is Isaiah 11:6-9 too a "one verse prophecy"?

Image123:
It beats the imagination, and I'm tempted to hope on it.

Will the food chain's predator and the prey state of affairs, ever stop then?
Of course, pretty much everything will stop when the world comes to an end

He will wipe every tear from their eyes.
There will be no more death
or mourning, or crying, or pain,
for the old order of things has passed away
- Revelation 21:4

If you're on the verge of harbouring doubts, then Rev 21:4 above & Romans 8:20 below, should remove them & boost your temptation to hope on

Image123:
But if you are asking if I will eat fried chicken at the millennial reign of Christ, surely I will.
We'll do activation when we want to play, we'll do normal at dinner. okay?

²⁹God said,
"I have given you every plant with seeds on the face of the earth
and every tree that has fruit with seeds. This will be your food.
³⁰I have given all green plants as food to every land animal,
every bird in the sky, and every animal that crawls on the earth - every living, breathing animal." And so it was.
- Genesis 1:29–30

I learned by reading verses in the bible, like Genesis 1:29–30 above,
that carnivores, meaning flesh/meat eater, were, before and once herbivores, meaning eat plant material

Things were put in place, set on standby, waiting, ready to be used if necessary,
ready to be ACTIVATED, to come alive and start doing things
This means, these things, were on their marks, set, and ready to be used at the appropriate time,
like, in a case of, if or when, the proverbial stuff hits the fan
Sin, is the proverbial stuff that hit the fan, it is the trigger, it set things off, it activated things

You wouldnt need fried chicken in the golden age revisited,
because you'll just have to do with manna, food of angels, or something else akin to it.

Image123:
While i may sound joking/trivial, I'm actually saying the truth.
It's trivial because it's not major or critical in matters of salvation, destination or eternity.
Not too excited about time wasting, long winding chatter over nothing with "the player".
But if you really think cockroaches, flies, chickens and worms were not dying until Adam malfunctioned, sorry I don't see it that way.
i think they were dying and Adam himself would have died except he ate of the tree of life.

²⁰For creation was condemned to lose its purpose, not of its own will,
but because God willed it to be so. Yet there was the hope
²¹that creation itself would one day be set free from its slavery to decay
and would share the glorious freedom of the children of God.
- Romans 8:20-21

Adam, anyway, had an appointment with death and so was destined to die
With the knowledge of the existence of TKGE, it was a matter of time, and the time was when the FTKGE is eaten

About whether cockroaches, flies, chickens and worms were not dying until Adam "malfunctioned", my response is affirmative
because the Romans 8:21 entropy only managed to get a foothold and reign supreme after Adam "malfunctioned"

After the "malfunctioned", mosquitoes now have a thirst for Adam's blood
and God help, if Adam's immune system isnt strong enough, as he potentially can die of life-threatening illness gotten from a single mosquito bite
The mosquito bite is just a tip of an iceberg, and not the full scope of the issue

Anas09:
Sir, are you implying that animals didnt die or weren't dying till the Fall of Man?

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Ma'am, the above picture is useful and informative

The idea of death before sin, is putting the cart before the horse

Now I am going to repeat the two questions Image123 ducked and declined responding to
The third question is a bonus and an afterthought
1/ Please what were animals dying of and/or from?
2/ Animals were dying of what please?
3/ What are your reasons, why would animals die or be dying before the Fall of Man?

Gggg102:
won't hell, evil... be inexisting if he hadn't created Lucifer in the first place?

He will wipe every tear from their eyes.
There will be no more death
or mourning, or crying, or pain,
for the old order of things has passed away
- Revelation 21:4

"The End", ni opin cinema
Revelation 21:4 is testament to the saying, that the end justifies the means

Even against the odds, Lucifer, just as much like you too, has the right to be created
We should never shy away from challenges
Problems like evil, which is a result of sin are to be face up to and dealt with, without making excuses
Sin is the sting that results in death,
the sting aside being injurious and/or lethal injects a venom that also opens up a pandora box teeming with great and unexpected troubles

I am not about making up what the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil means.
The original word used in that verse instead of Good in the original text was "Beautiful"
and the original word used in that verse and elsewhere it's used in the original text was "Adversity"

Are you familiar with merisms?
Merism, is a figure of speech that has a combination of two contrasting words to refer to an entirety and all parts within each of them

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" is a merism
"Good evening ladies and gentlemen" is a merism

Well, the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil figure of speech, is a merism.

Good, in that context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies "Beautiful"
Evil, in that context, is translated from a word, that means and typifies "Adversity".

"Beautiful", as in, everything dandy and good
"Adversity", as in, every hardship, bad and ugly difficult or unpleasant situation that possibly can happen.

Eating off the tree, will open the eater to experience several of parts of all that's "Beautiful" and all that's "Adversity"
Eater will experience and begin to judge between beautiful and adversity.
Good times, bad times, what's pretty, what's ugly.
Essentially the whole shebang spectrum will unfold into the eater's world.

Eating off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil,
will open the eater to experience several of parts of all that's "Beautiful" and all that's "Adversity"
As said earlier, the Adversity other side, is, as it were, like opening a Pandora Box, of some sort.

Gggg102:
why was Lucifer created?

"Worthy are You, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power;
for You created all things,
and because of Your will, they existed and were created."
- Revelation 4:11

Created because of the God prerogative

Image123:
Oh my God, not again.
I'm just not expecting this from you;

You're wrongly granting yourself unmerited victim status here

Image123:
The part where you ask babyish questions

when Yahweh told Adam and Eve that
if they eat off the tree of knowledge they would know of death.
How can they know what he said about the threat of death
if they didn't know what death was yet
because they have not eaten off the tree yet to know
- © hopefulLandlord

Duh, animals were dying, weren't they?
- © Image123

Errrrrrmmmmmmm, let's wind the clock back a bit
Read again, above, your inane response to hopefulLandlord's

Image123:
and the part where you assume some atheist is taking me anywhere.
If he dreams that, he should wake up from his nightmare

Abeggy park whomever or whatever is an atheist, for one side
Instead of taking pot shots at the player, focus your attention on the game and pieces on the board.

Now why didnt you correct him?
Why didnt you point out that, one doesnt first, have to eat off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil before one knows what death is?

Image123:
Errrrrrmmmmmmm, man was given dominion over all animals, and whatever he called them was their name.
It's a most ridiculous thing to suggest that Adam's fall led to carnivores and omnivores

SMH.
Feel free bask in ignorance, as I am willing to let an incredibly uninformed remark like this, go unchallenged.

Image123:
The food chain has been long set from the foundation of the world.
It's innate, all the body parts show it.

The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock:
and dust shall be the serpent's meat.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
- Isaiah 65:25

Will the food chain's predator and the prey state of affairs, ever stop then?
Will the food chain's predator and the prey state of affairs, ever come to an end?
When the predator and the prey innate capacity is disrupted, what is going to happen to the food chain?

How exposed are you to the meaning of the word "Activation" considered together with predator and the prey in mind?
I know, you know where I am heading to with the activation question.

Image123:
It was not a diversion or improvisation

The difference between God and a good chess player, that at least, thinks five moves, ahead
is that, instead of five moves, God analyses right from the first move straight through on to the end of the checkmating last move
That is part of how God with good algorithmic solutions, knows the end from the beginning.

So you're right, its not a matter of diversion or improvisation but it's a matter of standbys
Things had been put in place, were set on standby, waiting, ready for certain things in them to come alive and start doing things
This means, were on their marks, set, and ready to be used at the appropriate time, like, in a case of, if or when, the proverbial stuff hits the fan

Image123:
When did God command Abel to kill animals?

So Abel has a precedent.
It is blindingly obvious, who from, Abel learned all Abel knows
God didnt need to command Abel to kill animals
because someone that witnessed it firsthand, told Abel about when, where, why and how the first animal got killed

hopefulLandlord:
Lol, Their answer would be "Freewill" which makes no sense as its incompatible with an omniscient omnipotent creator of all things

The "omniscient" Yahweh is something that got added on in Christianity, it was not part of Judaism.

Look throughout the Old Testament- Adam and Eve hid from Yahweh, Yahweh did not know if Lot would find good people in Sodom or not, Yahweh did not know if Job would keep the faith after being tortured, Yahweh flooded the world and then regretted his decision.

Yahweh was a being identical to Zeus, Odin, Ra, etc. A powerful supernatural man, but very much still a man, with the flaws of a man.

Christians say Yahweh gave freewill so we can chose whether to obey or not to obey him and that we would've been robots without freewill which prompts the question about whether it exists in the afterlife. Either option presents problems.

1.) We have free will in Heaven. This implies that Yahweh is capable of creating an absolute eternal paradise completely free of evil AND has constructed a means by which beings maintain free will in that state of being. Thus the argument that we have free will in our lives on Earth so that we can choose between good and evil falls flat, as Yahweh is capable of allowing free will without evil.

2.) We have no free will in Heaven. This implies that Yahweh cared so much about people's free will that he created our short temporary lives so that we would have the chance to excercise it, but then opted that we should spend eternity after without free will, which makes the time we spent excercising it seem rather pointless. If he valued it so highly in humans, why is it not a part of human paradise?
as a side note, when Yahweh told Adam and Eve that if they eat off the tree of knowledge they would know of death.
How can they know what he said about the threat of death if they didn't know what death was yet because they have not eaten off the tree yet to know?

Image123:
Duh, animals were dying, weren't they?

Please what were animals dying of and/or from?
Animals were dying of what please?

MuttleyLaff:
Please what were animals dying of and/or from?
Animals were dying of what please?

Image123:
Errrrrmmmmm, of being eaten as food?

And God said,
Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth,
and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat (i.e. it shall be food for you)
- Genesis 1:29

Errrrrmmmmm, is your "Errrrrmmmmm, of being eaten as food" before or after Genesis 1:29 was relegated?
Why and when the animals become dying from being eaten as food?

Instead of you to correct hopefulLandlord's gaffe, you're allowing him to take you down a rabbit trail with him
One doesnt first have to eat off the TofKofG&E before knowing what death is
Knowledge of something comes in different styles, shades, shapes and forms

hopefulLandlord:
Lol, Their answer would be "Freewill" which makes no sense as its incompatible with an omniscient omnipotent creator of all things

The "omniscient" Yahweh is something that got added on in Christianity, it was not part of Judaism.

Look throughout the Old Testament- Adam and Eve hid from Yahweh, Yahweh did not know if Lot would find good people in Sodom or not, Yahweh did not know if Job would keep the faith after being tortured, Yahweh flooded the world and then regretted his decision.

Yahweh was a being identical to Zeus, Odin, Ra, etc. A powerful supernatural man, but very much still a man, with the flaws of a man.


Christians say Yahweh gave freewill so we can chose whether to obey or not to obey him and that we would've been robots without freewill which prompts the question about whether it exists in the afterlife. Either option presents problems.

1.) We have free will in Heaven. This implies that Yahweh is capable of creating an absolute eternal paradise completely free of evil AND has constructed a means by which beings maintain free will in that state of being. Thus the argument that we have free will in our lives on Earth so that we can choose between good and evil falls flat, as Yahweh is capable of allowing free will without evil.

2.) We have no free will in Heaven. This implies that Yahweh cared so much about people's free will that he created our short temporary lives so that we would have the chance to excercise it, but then opted that we should spend eternity after without free will, which makes the time we spent excercising it seem rather pointless. If he valued it so highly in humans, why is it not a part of human paradise?


as a side note, when Yahweh told Adam and Eve that if they eat off the tree of knowledge they would know of death. How can they know what he said about the threat of death if they didn't know what death was yet because they have not eaten off the tree yet to know?

Image123:
Duh, animals were dying, weren't they?

Please what were animals dying of and/or from?
Animals were dying of what please?

Divinerace:
What I’m about to share with you may sound like the weirdest thing on earth.

Speaking in tongues is so, so misunderstood.

You can say that again
because not many know that, speaking in tongues actually, in a way that suggests or resembles a miracle,
is speaking in other, ACTUAL HUMAN languages, that one couldn't speak before

Divinerace:
(Try Googling it)

Yes google it,
to find out, it's feigned glossa, sometimes referred to as "ecstatic utterances,
that's confused with glossa, which is the biblical "gift of tongues."

So, glossa and this man-made other glossa, are like chalk and cheese
They are completely different from each other

Divinerace:
In fact, the world has done a bang up job of convincing people that it isfreaky and a thing you should avoid at all costs. But, in reality it is just the greatest thing ever with the ability to completely and totally transform your life.
Let me explain…
When believers were first born again on the day of Pentecost, they believed and received holy spirit on the inside.

The spirit came with 9 evidences or operations contained within it. One of those 9 fantastic abilities is called speaking in tongues.
Immediately after receiving the gift of holy spirit, the newly born again believers spoke in tongues.

There is a popular saying in the western part of Nigeria,
that goes like this:
"Bi o ba nidi, obirin kii nje Kumolu"
loosely means
"There is no smoke without fire"

There was a REASON for the believers, to, on pentecost, miracuously speak in tongues
and it is the same repeated REASON, for the only two other miracle ocassions of speaking in tongues in the bible

To speak in tongues, means audibly saying something out or make sounds with your voice to express your thoughts and feelings in a structured, conventional, intelligible and understandable way

Speak in tongues, is language (i.e. tongues of man=human language)
and has the same meaning with mother tongue, native tongue, dialect, vernacular etcetera
For example, you can speak in vernacular, can speak in your local dialect, might speak in a native tongue or speak in your mother tongue

There is a time and a place for everything. Also there is always a REASON for everything that happens or why it does not happen

Reiterating, things do happen for a REASON and what took place in Acts Chapter 2 happened importantly because of Acts 2:5
Place Acts 2:5 close together with Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24, Romans 1:16, especially for a comparison or contrast effect

Divinerace:
Basically, speaking in tongues is the God-given ability to speak in a language you don’t understand.
It’s purpose is to give you a lever in prayer that totally bypasses your understanding.

I suppose you can show this claim to be true by giving examples of Jesus Christ speaking in a language He didn't understand and/or praying in a language He didn't understand

Divinerace:
Many, many of your issues and problems in life come from not knowing what to pray for or said another way, what is the spiritual cause of your problem.
Speaking in tongues was designed to cover those needs by the ability to pray perfectly, absent any selfishness or senses reasonings.

You've put the cart before the horse brother

Divinerace:
Now, if I lost you already, I’m happy to explain in much greater detail in another setting, if you really want to know.
But, going forward I want to address those believers who know how to speak in tongues
and tell them why they should be motivated to speak in tongues abundantly, day and night, forever!

SMH
Misplaced priority

Divinerace:
Recently I came across a fellow believer on Facebook,
who was in the process of identifying 150 reasons to speak in tongues from the Bible.
The idea intriguedme because I had always been taught there were 10-12 reasons.
No-one ever said they were the only benefits, but I assumed it was so.
So, I started reading and researching the reasons.
Wow, what a mind-blowing experience!

[img]https://s1/images/TypingInTongues.jpg[/img]
Have you ventured yet into typing in tongues?
Can you beat the Juanita Bynum Facebook "mind-blowing" typing in tongues experience I've just shared above?

Divinerace:
I realized so lucidly that speaking in tongues was God’s gracious solution for so many of the things that plagued me or diminished my life.

With all love and affection, this is absolute fiction
I am sorry, but you've got the wrong end of the stick here thinking that speaking in tongues was God’s gracious solution for so many of the things that plagued you or diminished your life

Divinerace:
Living on this earth, we all have a spiritual enemy working behind the scenes to thwart and retard our efforts.
But, and it is a big but, he is a spiritual entity and as such hidden from our senses mind and ability to see him in action.

For who knows a person’s thoughts, except their own spirit within them?
- 1 Corinthians 2:11

Except for God, is there any other spiritual entity that is capable of hearing your thoughts inside your head?
Think about that
Think about the spiritual entity being incapable of hearing your thoughts and/or praying inside your head.

Divinerace:
Without God’s spirit and the ability to use the 9 manifestations, we would not stand a chance.
(Enter the absolute misery that plagues the world!)
Speaking in tongues, one of the 9 operations, is the only one we can operate whenever we want unlike for example, revelation, which God gives at His prerogative as the need requires

Paul downplays the importance of speaking in tongues
He is known to have said he would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue
Further even advised not speak in tongues without an interpreter

Divinerace:
Now here is where it gets very interesting…
Speaking in tongues builds us up on the inside; that I already knew.
But, I assumed it built up my spirit and ended there.

Further, I was taught that my mind is built up by God’s Word, which is unequivocally true as well.
However, there is a distinct carry over from spirit to my mind.
Imagine, if my spirit was built up, since I cannot feel spirit, how would I ever know?
But like all of the manifestations, it also works with my mind.
The spiritual darkness that engulfs the world takes away our joy and happiness by assaulting us with negativity and drama

Speaking in tongues clears the path, so to speak and absent the hindrances, I feel freaking fantastic.

Why wouldnt you feel freaking fantastic
when you've interestingly taken poetic licence, to another level, pumped up with rhetorics on steroids

Divinerace:
Here’s another example.
Speaking in tongues gives rest to our soul.
Have you ever felt weary and worn out?
Speaking in tongues serves as a refresher to your soul.
My spirit doesn’t need refreshing because it is perfect and never tired.
However, my soul does need refreshing and rest. Speaking in tongues provides that for me.
My soul is what makes me, me and it is not my spirit. My soul needs rest.
Are you starting to see what I’m getting at?
Speaking in tongues quickens or makes alive my mortal body.
How many times has your old body not been responding as you would like?
How often is your body bothered by the things that are going wrong?
Speaking in tongues brings life to your flesh and no amount of eating healthy or exercise, though necessary, can do more for you than God can

This is notoriously unreliable
aside from being information that is utterly misleading

Divinerace:
Do you hear what I’m saying?
Speaking in tongues offers you the opportunity to pray for things you need, that you have absolutely no clue that you need

²⁶And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness.
For example, we don't know what God wants us to pray for.
But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words.
²⁷And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying,
for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will
- Romans 8:26-27

Speaking in tongues does not offer you the opportunity to pray for things you need
The Holy Spirit, as noted from Romans 8:26-27 above,
knows how to do, on our behalf, the classic, Luke 22:42 "... not My will, but Yours be done"

Divinerace:
God calls it our greatest weakness.
So when you speak in tongues for yourself or for the people you love, God fills in the real needs by your decision to speak in tongues.
It is trusting in God with all your heart and leaning not to yourown understanding.
That’s when all things work together for good, as the good book says

Yes ooo
and that is Romans 8:28, a continuation of Romans 8:26-27 just read above

Divinerace:
The Bible says God has not given us the spirit of fear but (a spirit of) power and of love and a sound mind!
The power doesn’t reside in your head, it resides in your spirit.
Your spirit, built up and edified, comes alive with the power you need to overcome any crap the enemy is throwing at you!
Any crap, anything, any problem, any…
It also comes with love and a sound mind, experienced and evidenced in your heart.
It’s like a love super-booster, pouring out from you like a river of pure sweetness.
It’s a profound ability to understand spiritual things and finally, for once in your life, understand what the hell is really going on!
Like anything you actively cultivate, it has fruit attached.
The fruit doesn’t show up right away, just like apples, but before you know it you starting seeing and experiencing the fruit.
Guess what the Bible says the fruit are?
Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, meekness, temperance (self-control), believing

This is a disorganized pieced together disjointed fragments of information mess.

Divinerace:
Believing is how you can get things from God
and you have the ability to cultivate more of it as a fruit.

You want more love? Speak in tongues much.
You want the peace that passes understanding? Speak in tongues much.
You want to be more meek or teachable? Speak in tongues much.
You need more self-control? (And who doesn’t?) Speak in tongues much.

Fa Fa Foul, over the bar
Haba! Biko, make the mumu don do nau
You cant, just like that, make, speak in tongues, mean today, what it didnt, before and ever mean in bible.

Divinerace:
Our lack of self-control, is often influenced by the dark side of seduction
and when you speak in tongues much it builds you up and removes the sticky attachments.
Suddenly you are finally able to get in control of yourself! It is so, so big people!

It is one of God’s perfect solutions for you and once you learn how, you can do it as often as you want.
Inspired by my learning, I’ve been going to the limits with it, speaking in tongues much, all throughout the day, when I can.
(It doesn’t replace my responsibilities like work – smile)
So, I can testify, it is drastically changing my experience of life.
In fact, I think I’m tasting some heavenly fruit.
But hey, don’t trust me, try it out for yourself!
If you know how to do it, do it abundantly.
If you don’t know how to do it, reach out and I will help you get there.
It’s not freaky my friends, it’s part of God’s perfection…

Self-control, sure is needed,
as someone or something must have bewitched somebody to pen this

This will serve as an excellent warning to people,
as it shows how ignorance leads one to make such comment like this.
Deliberately make wrong or inaccurate statements about speaking in tongue(s) and create incorrect impressions about it

Divinerace:
CC:Chelseafan99

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I know all about what you think is "speaking in tongue"
I've been there, sold what you think is "speaking in tongue",
done what you think is "speaking in tongue"
and had that what you think is "speaking in tongue" t-shirt
So, I know and can say a bit, and more, about what you think is "speaking in tongue"

"E je ajawo ninu apon, ti o yo, ki a si gbomi ila ka ina"
loosely means
"Burn bridges that werent worth building, and say good riddance to bad rubbish"

I am available & ready to answer any and all questions on the subject "speaking in tongue(s)"

Benjom:
I totally agree with you Divinerace.
I speak in tongues a lot but after reading the above, it's time to go deeper with it. Glory to God!

Nothing more than lazy persons way of looking for easier ways to pray things

There is no "speaking in tongues" shortcuts, like feigned glossa (i.e. false speaking in tongues deception) to any prayer worth praying

The way speaking in tongues is being done today
- church folk, christians, 21st century believers uttering unintelligible words is babble, confused noise made by a number of voices
This is not speaking in tongues (i.e. is not speaking in a foreign human language)
but is mere babbling by unintelligible utterraces

It is the end time deception of the demonic spirit in Rev 16:13-14, symbolised as three unclean spirits that looked like frogs
And how do frogs catch their prey?
Yes, using tongues to snare believers with their false speaking in tongues deception

Martinez19:
The act of speaking in tongues amongst christians is known to many of us.
From my experience as a christian, I can confidently tell you that speaking in tongues is nothing but mere gibberish.
The believer is asked by the clergy if they want to speak in tongues
and if they say yes, they are asked to say anything that comes to their mind.
If they do, the clergy or staff of the church encourages them to continue that they are on the right track.

Obviously what they say is gibberish but the clergy men convinces them otherwise saying :

1) You have the Holy spirit therefore it's in you to speak in tongues.
2) Take the step of faith and speak in tongues.
3) Just say what's in your mind.
4) It might sound senseless but remember you and anyone can't understand except yahweh and the Holy Spirit.
It's not the language of men.

This is how the believer begins to speak in tongues.
They are convinced that because they are christians therefore the gibberish they speak is an innate ability
and it has a special meaning that only yahweh and the Holy Spirit can understand.

What cope out! What defence of gibberish!
If you were to approach a christian speaking in tongues and tell him that he is saying rubbish,
they will counter with "christians surely can speak in tongues and what we say is only understandable to yahweh and his spirit."

Well, the same case can be made for the flying spaghetti monster.
A pastafarian could be muttering gibberish if the pastafarian clergy convinces him in a similar way
and he can use the defence "pastafarians can surely speak in tongues
and it's only understandable to the fsm and his spirit" when confronted.
BLW, harvesters and many new generational churches are guilty of this. I all these from experience.

Truth is speaking in tongues are gibberishes.
If you are looking for those who can truly speak in tongues, see a linguist.

Martinez19:
HopefulLandord, HardMirror, hahn, Johnydon22, 1Sharon, 0temSapien, Nilfeim, proudgorgeousga, Tozara aka Tohzara, 1stSonOfLucifer, dalaman aka dalamama aka dalam0n, Ladyhippolyta88, Seun, Mynd44, segunojo866 and my followers.

This is a johnny-just-come-lately overflogged "speaking in tongue(s)" topic
and looks like Satan is about having a party with this thread for the gullible, exploited, misinformed, misguided and misled

Hell too, will soon be empty, as all the devils will mark register here on this thread

kovah:
lmao I breathe in Oxygen o but not 100% Oxygen o

Who except for medical reasons, breathes in 100% oxygen anyway

kovah:
u haven't heard of the 24 elders but they exist along side the heavenly host in d Christian narrative...
So saying my anology of comparing air u can't see to a god or gods u can't see is incorrect...
There are some many components to air as there are to d god concept....
I thought dat was clear enough

Please my dear sir, kindly reproduce or repeat here the post where I said:
"... your anology of comparing air you can't see to a god or gods you can't see is incorrect"

DeLioncourt:
Like I said, there'll always be some illogical argument to defend the existence of god.

Butterflyleo:
And like I said, the existence of God is not illogical. Even the existence of god is not illogical how much more of God.

Instead of all their black box analysis, copyright infringements and borrowed technology things going on,
like Butterflyleo said, let them start from scratch,
create, first, their OWN brand new skin cells or gametes to form a zygote, ultimately the embryo and what follows after

kovah:
when I say air I mean air...
Air consists of oxygen nitrogen helium and other elements... Oxygen is what sustains life...
But there are other elements dat consist of our atmosphere dat make oxygen d life sustaining element it is....

Try and live on nitrogen, helium and whatever the other elements with the exception of oxygen
and lets see how long you'll last being alive without breathing in oxygen
and having its reactive quality break down your food molecules to give you energy

kovah:
Revelation 4:4 declares,
“Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones,
and seated on them were twenty-four elders.
They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.”....

don't take a part of d gospel dat is preferable to you...
Just because you know nothing about the 24 elders in d scriptures...
Doesn't mean they don't exist...

I dont see the purpose of quoting Revelation 4:4.
It and all you wrote that followed are worth nothing apart from being a straw man

Butterflyleo:
Talking about science CREATING man from scratch is just ridiculous and this is why.

There is an already existing blueprint to man and it is known as DNA.
Science did not create it. Science met it.
Before anyone can lay claim to creating man from scratch then he has to first create DNA from scratch which itself is a no go area.
Also pertaining to Paul, As Saul he was a believer. He was a Pharisee which means he was a custodian and a follower of the law aka old testament.
And that was why he metted out judgement on those who blasphemed God according to the old testament requirements.

He was doing right by the old testament but Jesus was already on a new path so had to correct his error and bring him to the new path.
He had every right to hear from God because he obeyed the law. Simple.

He however was not required to continue in the law.

Paul had the right parameters met while you do not have such.

It was nice debating you too and as you can clearly see, your so called evidence for the lack of existence of God was nothing after all.

Peace

DeLioncourt:
Oops... I spoke too soon.
They're almost there...if not there already.

h t t p s:/ /w w w.newscientist.com/article/mg23831730-300-making-babies-how-to-create-human-embryos-with-no-egg-or-sperm/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=SOC&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1524221408

Except first create DNA from scratch as Butterflyleo put forward
anything less than that is just reverse engineering things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgUXog2iao8
The Inspector-General of Police, Ibrahim Idris, has been accused of extorting money, ranging from N10m to N15m, from Commissioners of Police, State Mobile Commanders and Special Protection Units (SPU) Commanders, for favorable postings.

IGP Idris also allegedly makes N10bn monthly from oil companies and other private individuals who enjoy special protection from the security agency.

This one off is chicken feed as revelead by Senator Misau, former DSP of the Police Force, that Inspector-General of Police, Ibrahim Idris indirectly receives N10bn monthly as proceeds as bribery etcetera

I like how the "I am not arguing with you vaxx.
I find you worthy to discuss with because you give me something to consider.
It is by considering that I tend to learn to separate my subjectives from the objective" subtle clapback was dropped there

kovah:
theology is written script based on belief...
In a language...Dat isn't English... God is English..B more specific in the god u r saying doesn't exist.. The Christian god..The Muslim god.. The Jewish god... The Chinese god..Or Japanese God..
And like the air u can't see but need to breath... That doesn't need an explanation from u y it exist..
I wonder y dis strong disillusion....
u will eventually know the truth...Like a phone u and I will go out of date...
Will u b well liked and appreciated like a Nokia phone or forgotten like the others when a new version of ideology springs up

We know from elementary science why the need of air
For clarity sake, air, as in, meaning oxygen

budaatum:
I wonder why people compare air that one cannot see with an invisible non-phonomenal god.
Everytime I see people do it, I just wonder if they have considered what they say.
If I were to place you in an airproof room and sucked out all the so called 'invisible air',
would you be in a position to claim because you did not see it to begin with that I was not sucking out anything?

Tell me what would happen to you if what I sucked out was god please?

DeLioncourt:
I'm sorry to say but this makes absolutely no sense...
I dont remember comparing air to anything

budaatum:
Like I said, and as a believer quickly picked on, one is either a non-believing atheist, or a non-believing-believing atheist.
Both are oxymoronic if you asked me and as you rightly pointed out, but here on NL both exist, at least as far as some are concerned.
You didn't compare air to anything which is why I didn't quote you.
I'm certain you can figure out who did though.
Just check other responses to the post.
Out of interest, what doesn't make sense about it exactly, the comparison itself, or my comment about such comparisons?

Only God's Spirit gives new life.
The Spirit is like the wind that blows wherever it wants to.
You can hear the wind, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going.
- John 3:8

And Jehovah Elohim formed Man, dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and Man became a living soul.
-Genesis 2:7

When Jesus therefore had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!”
And He bowed His head, and gave up His spirit.
- John 19:30

Death is what would happen, as what you sucked out was God

Think pneuma,
or if your preference is Hebrew, think ruach
to realise, it is God, somewhat, sucked out
Same somewhat God, the breath of life, breathed in man

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FAO of any having irresistible and inescapable dependency on wikipedia

hopefulLandlord:
DeLionCourt should go and argue with this site https://www.premierchristianity.com/Past-Issues/2016/April-2016/3-Reasons-Why-Belief-In-God-Makes-Sense

It appears your opponent here is the same person as the author of that article

What's the sense in throwing an entire article at your opponent in a "one-on-one" debate?
So Delioncourt should start debunking an entire article?
I still understand doing such in a open for all debate but doing that in a mano a mano screams foul play and underhanded

It's okay to plagiarise anyways so long you're doing it for Jesus and under influence of the holy spirit

Please show exactly how content on this thread got plagiarised from that article
If you're unable to, then accept you've barked up the wrong tree and tender apologies

Butterflyleo:
This is a debate.
Delioncourt is free to pull his counter facts up from anywhere. That is what happens in debates. As long as it is in line with the issue of discussion then good.

Besides all the points he has dropped as his are all rehashed points also pulled from elsewhere and are not originally tagged to him.
All my points so far are originally mine except one
and that was because that makes perfect and absolute sense to me and to anyone open minded enough to read it.

Maybe you do not realise that debates are all about fact finding and fact presentation even when they are not your facts originally.

DeLionCourt the floor is yours to counter. You said it would be a long debate and I am ready for that.

hopefulLandlord doesnt know that cheese is not made from one cow's milk
but that cheese is made, out from taking milk from different cows

Anas09:
You mean someone can deactivate a user's account against their wish?
This is serious.

Nothing serious if you nominated the someone
The executor is there to carry out a will, was here and carried out Sarassin's intention or wish

Anas09:
after almost a year, i was surprised my Moniker got resurrected today after like a thousandth attempts to login with it.

I guess a somewhat book of remembrance was on your behalf opened up

Anas09:
And, if Sarassin said good bye, i didn't get it.

His last post was to you and about you.
Maybe Sarassin isnt good at explicitly saying goodbyes

Anas09:
This is really Sad. I feel like someone just died.

Pls if you ever feel done with this place, prepare me before closing the door.
Don't do what sarassin just did, Pls.

I could be wrong, but at the back of mind I surely do think, he did
It's either him or an executor, who deactivated the Sarassin account

Well, I am not into deactivation
I am a firm believer in hinting or saying goodbyes

Anas09:
Wait, My Mia Caro has deactivated? What the Hell?
Now i'm heart broken. Why will he do this to me?

Emmanystone has been banned for two months for speaking against homosexuality.

I saw his post but was too busy to read it. Oh me, oh My.

I hope that you will take heart from knowing that he still fondly mentioned you in his last post and departing deactivation moment

princy80:
it appears, sarassin's account has been deactivated

Chubhie:
Yesterday was Billy.
Today sarassin. Tomorrow?
s.e.u.n what's going on? clients are jumping ship.

LotusFan:
End time...Will miss him so much

Chubhie:
I think he got overwhelmed.
To destroy a righteousman, Just give him one follower.

https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif

LoJ:
I believe it is unfair to make such an assumption, and more so to air it publicly.

Sarassin has decided to deactivate his account for reasons of his own.
I think it is something that everyone should understand and respect,
no matter how pained one feels, or if we believe we are entitled to an explanation.

Moreover, people are usually unable to look inwards and find there the reasons of their misfortune.
We tend to look for external reasons to explain circumstances, which is more often than not unproductive.
Perhaps the problem is not with sarassin, but with the people reading. Food for thought.

Finally, I would like to add that, life always places before each person a guide in one form or another.
When the student is ready, the master appears.
Therefore, there is actually never a shortage of masters, but a lack of "good" students.
So there is no reason to mourn over the absence of this particular person or the other.
There are more reasons to mourn over the shortage of disciplined and seeking students.

Greetings

Chubhie:
I'm yet to understand why you took this personal.
In truth, there's no need for the student/master dichotomy.
All are in various levels of evolution.

Shared ideas? Yes. Which should be a two way traffic.
Master/student dichotomy breeds abuse from both ends.

Sukeh. Sarassin has deactivated?

Nooooo. It was still active yesterday, when I read that "Cara Mia, it is "tradition" that Moses..." piece to Emmanystone.
That must have been one of his last posts, if its not the last.
Nah, this is fat finger or phoenix or the "other thing" things!

Hmm, unless, otherwise, if he really did deactivate
then, that right there, staring us in the face, is the self destruction of an ultimate warrior.

They say:
"Destroy what destroys you"
and so we have a self destruction of an ultimate warrior
I guess, Sarassin found out the need to self-destruct, in order to self-discover

On a different note, cowardice, among other things, got the better of Billyonaire,
he deactivated his account on a Saturday,
that is 24 hours earlier, than on the Sunday, he publicly declared as day he will deactivate

One wonders, if Billyonaire, could lie about his deactivation date, then what else has he lied about
and since one doesn't know for sure, what else Billyonaire, lied about
one further wonders, if any, at all, of all Billyonaire posted, was even true
or is all he posted just the consequences of overindulgence in Netflix
possibly watched "Altered Carbon" plus others and read too much into them.

Negative self-deception, entangled in a web of secrecy or misinformation
and the power of a guilty mind, always leads to self-destruction (i.e. deactivation)

Self-conceit, I've noticed, often too, leads to self destruction (i.e. deactivation)

PastorAIO:
Menh, I got suspended again.
I don't know what happened.
I just posted something from wikipedia and got an automatic ban.

The god of nairaland, too, works in mysterious ways. Kikikiki ki.

PastorAIO:
Anyway sha, I shouldn't complain

Yeah, suck it up
That's the spirit!

PastorAIO:
If I complain then what about Sarassin?
Why has his account been deleted completely?

OkCornel:
I noticed too...
I was wondering if he (Sarassin) left nairaland...

As per posting of links...
that stuff can earn ban from the mods...
I had problems with that on my other moniker...

Welcome back...

Nothing to do with earning ban from the mods
but more of, the god of Nairaland has antispambot() functions built into Nairaland that parses content posted for blacklist words, phrases etcetera
Learn how to be quick to grovel and ask for forgiveness when punished for overstepping the "line".

LoJ:
Hello dear,
Sarassin deactivated of his own accord for reasons of his own.
Seun has nothing to do with it, at least directly.
Greetings.

Sukeh. Sarassin has deactivated?

Nooooo. It was still active yesterday, when I read that "Cara Mia, it is "tradition" that Moses..." piece to Emmanystone.
That must have been one of his last posts, if its not the last.
Nah, this is fat finger or phoenix or the "other thing" things!

Hmm, unless, otherwise, if he really did deactivate
then, that right there, staring us in the face, is the self destruction of an ultimate warrior.

They say:
"Destroy what destroys you"
and so we have a self destruction of an ultimate warrior
I guess, Sarassin found out the need to self-destruct, in order to self-discover

On a different note, cowardice, among other things, got the better of Billyonaire,
he deactivated his account on a Saturday,
that is 24 hours earlier, than on the Sunday, he publicly declared as day he will deactivate

One wonders, if Billyonaire, could lie about his deactivation date, then what else has he lied about
and since one doesn't know what else Billyonaire, lied about
one further wonders, if any, at all, of all Billyonaire posted, was even true
or is all he posted just the consequences of overindulgence in Netflix
possibly watched "Altered Carbon" plus others and read too much into them.

Negative self-deception, entangled in a web of secrecy or misinformation
and the power of a guilty mind, always leads to self-destruction (i.e. deactivation)

Self-conceit, I've noticed, often too, leads to self destruction (i.e. deactivation)

DeLioncourt:
Surely, an all powerful god can re-arrange rocks, nourish the earth, re-establish the ecosystem,
and bring forth hidden precious stones without directly threatening human life

Butterflyleo:
An all powerful God would design a self working self cleansing system such as we have today.
Even man is now borrowing from what they call natural disasters.
Man is now advocating for recycling.
Something they observed in nature (despite claiming it is a natural disaster).
I suppose they also saw the good side of it.

I dont pay for plastic bags as some will do but recycle ones I have

Nice to know, Man is everyday taking wise decisions, as Commonwealth leaders are now being urged to tackle plastic.
Earlier this week, British PM, Theresa May announced the new Clean Oceans Alliance
- an agreement between the UK, Vanuatu, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and Ghana,
which pledged to ban microbeads cosmetics and cut plastic bag use by 2021 waste.
Why is Nigeria missing in that agreement?

Sorry for posting without invitation
but I so detest sachet pure water, thats so popular and present or found everywhere
There is a strong need to put an end to the evil plastic causes

Apparently the use of non-biodegradable polythene bags is prohibited in Rwanda.
You heard right, use of plastic carrier bags are totally banned in Rwanda

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So exciting...
I am going to need more popcorn

Haywhaie:
Thank you. So get out of my way.

Pfft.

Emmanystone:
I will be a Christian any where in the world and speak against evil even in Hell.
Keep your filth to yourself pls.

Are you familiar with any of these human beings:
Johanna Siguroardottir, Leo Varadkar, Xavier Bettel, Ana Brnabic, Shabnam Mausi, Elio Di Rupo etcetera

Haywhaie:
I don't need your advice.
I'll continue being hostile and inhumane towards bastards and savages.

Suit yourself
Like hopefulLandlord would say:
If it makes you feel better and your fart smell deodorized good

Haywhaie:
Can anyone see this? I quoted this bitch too? I insulted her first?
Then one bastard will come and ban me, and leave her post standing when I give it to her.

You must be mad for quoting, useless animal.

Have you heard about:
sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me

I see trading of words but not necessarily insults
Why not try your hardest not to type how you feel

Emmanystone:
What did i say that isn't repeting what you already affirm?

You said you are gay who will rape all Abrahamic folks.
Meaning you allow your father to slot it into your anus.
You my friend are not worth a response from humans.

My sister, what the gold bear is going on in here
Please sheath your sword
Please, please bury the hatchet and dont leave the blade sticking out

Emmanystone:
My dear he is lying.
Pls ask him to post the most recent insult he has received from a Christian.

I've noticed that whenever a spade is called a spade,
without hesitation or reluctance, people with delicate disposition, keep taking refuge under an "invented insult" cover

I am still trying to work out, why moaners dont stay out of the kitchen then, if they can't stand or take the heat

phemmyfour:
What kind of rule is that:
"If you want to leave RCCG, you can remove your house from their land"

GuntersChain:
This is so funny. Lol

3. Lands in camp are not bought but free of charge after paying developmental fees and meeting other requirements;
one of which you must be a member of RCCG.
If you decide to leave, you can remove your house, but the land belongs to RCCG

phemmyfour:
That's permanent slavery

Possibly land covenant agreement things

Omooba77:
It will be good the Pastor put the record straight

1. Africa Mission offering is not done every week; unless the Parish/Area/Zone/Province made a commitement to do so. I will be more clearer on tnis if I know his parish.

Also money does not go straight to the purse of mummy G.O. Foluke Adeboye; there is a board headed by Pastor Brown Oyitso.

2. The church does not place anyone under curse; only reading what Malachi 3:8-10 says.

3. Lands in camp are not bought but free of charge after paying developmental fees and meeting other requirements; one of which you must be a member of RCCG.
If you decide to leave, you can remove your house, but the land belongs to RCCG.

4.You shall know the Truth, the Truth shall set you free, if you know it. I will impore Pastor Wellington to ask for the leading of the Holy Spirit.

I am writing as a private member and as a worker in RCCG,; I am not the spoke's man.

5. RCCG is not a cult; there is free entry and free exit

... and apparently "the price to pay for deciding to leave" fee exit too