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Christianity Etc › Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by MuttleyLaff: 12:00am On Mar 19, 2018*

vaxx:
lets, see how you will apply your pseudo intellectual you hold in high esteem on the below rebuttal,
me, asking commentators not to go ahead to quote biblical verse further is to safe them fro quoting another hoax verses from the bible,
we are presently dealing with one, if the need to address another verse then we can go ahead.
we can be using one hoax to rob another hoax that will cause more intelligence point made earlier useless,
so to afford the normal back and fourth argument, it is better we stay out of the dark debate.

Aside bible, the testimony of another witness(es) supporting a matter, is valued and appreciated by court of law
but hey, be my guest, if you prefer hard ball and dark debate

vaxx:
Assumption 1
which contradict the topic of discussion, there was clear separation.
THAT HE GAVE HIS BEGOTTEN SON do not sound as if it is the same person talking to himself,
in fact whoever wrote the entire that verse Whoever wrote John was not a trinitarian

Please dont pick up a straw man
and let it be the last time you pull a straw-man stunt like this.
Who has talked about about trinity here?
Or who has talked about whether whoever that wrote John was a trinitarian?
Please.

vaxx:
It is a suggestion on the writer’s part that God does not choose to know the future.
because if indeed, he will have know how the game will play, Jesus was restored to cover that gap.
If God knew how that would come out, it would make the act of allowing it to happen into a cheap parlor trick, a sham.
No, only if God did not know how things would turn out could one say God gave anything.
so in the essence god did not give anything earlier according to the writer suggestion

What?!

Are you familiar with the below statement:
He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel

It is called the Protoevangelium (i.e. derived from "proto" meaning "first" and euangelion meaning "gospel" or "good news)

Unless you're in denial, you know the implication of that statement.
That statement is not only a reference to the idea of a Messiah
but doubles up, also as, the first Messianic prophecy

That statement is the genesis of salvation history with fulfillment in Jesus Christ that the opening sentence of this thread and John 3:16 is all about.

God knew how things would turn out, and waited patiently for 4000 years, from the day that prophecy was made, before it came to pass or got fulfilled

vaxx:
Assumption 2,
all these your pseudo opinion does not correlate with the message the verse intend to pass,
we are dealing with the topic, the verse clearly indicate Jesus was sent BY GOD to the world to save souls from perishing,
whatever you are imputing now does not in any way correlate with the verse.
as i said earlier i will prefer we focus on the topic. lets address the verse .
instead of shifting around. i know you are finding it difficult to do.

It correlates,
because the One who sent and the Sent are One

vaxx:
ASSUMPTION 3,
you do not do better, still repeating the same earlier warning i gave... anyway if that will make you better.
THIS IS IS not the message john 3 vs 16 intend to pass. as it clearly stated.

If I dont do it that way, you wouldnt have dots to join, to see the picture

vaxx:
christ is the begotten son of GOD that is what john 3 vs 16 stated

Yes it does
and "begotten" has hence earlier been explained

vaxx:
must GOD descend to earth before he pass his message

I know I can rely on you to make this a labour of love explanation
No, GOD doesnt need to descend to earth before He pass His message
but He needed to descend to earth in order to actualise or make a reality of the Protoevangelium

vaxx:
this your opinion here suggest god is not omnipresent.
what do you think?

It is not an opinion, not my opinion
but is a fact, that God is Omnipresent
I dont think, instead I do know that, God is Omnipresent
Repeating myself, God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time)

vaxx:
this is your opinion, an innocent blood is demanded for the ransoms of sins of human since animal blood is not enough.
john 3 vs 16 clearly indicate that the only way to escape ''perish'' is to believe in GOD SON(JESUS CHRIST)

Ah the blood
I spot you going to make this blood thing hard work here

If someone like you, that flirts with the idea of having some knowledge of blood/DNA,
doesnt know why an "innocent blood" is needed or demanded for the ransoms of sins of human beings since animal blood is not enough
then its now apparent its just a semblance you have
and you havent completely connected the dots, to see the full picture

That "innocent blood" is God, sacrificially giving Himself up, for the ransoms of sins of human.

The perpetual animal blood is not enough nor does it permanently solve the issue at hand,
which is sin committed from the beginning and original sin

vaxx:
THIS IS NOT THE MESSAGE OF JOHN 3 VS 16.
IT IS AGAIN YOUR ASSUMPTION

I like how you diversify
at least you now call it "your assumption" instead of "your opinion"

I'll tell you what the message of John 3:16 is about

It is a message declaring God's love for all "mankind" which moved him to send His Son...
(i.e. that God loves the world...)

vaxx:
Do you get your pseudo logic here, harm and pain was taken off GOD SO THAT GOD WILL NOT HAVE TO SUFFER

"Second
what type of Father sends his son into harms way?
A father doesn't put his son in harm's way
but he takes the harm and pain off his son so his son doesn't have to suffer"
- © vaxx

What then, did you mean by:
"... He takes the harm and pain off his son so his son doesn't have to suffer"
It is your pseudo logic, I was replaying back to you

The "harm", the "pain" and "suffer" were all prophesised
It was a bitter pill, and no one else came forward to take and swallow it except for God himself

vaxx:
So we are dealing with morphology now, and not the grammatical sentence, good.

God is infinite and non spatial
so let's settle instead for, we are dealing with physical projection
God, became God, the Father, after physically projecting Himself to earth as God, the Son, whom Jesus Christ is

vaxx:
i will like you suggest the Greek word that best describe the world better,
at least it could make us understand the context clearly

It means what it says on the tin
The Greek world is "kosmos" and in the context it was used, "the inhabitants of the world" best describes its meaning

vaxx:
but as it stands, an English speaker like me find it as it is begotten
and the word begotten in English grammar means possession
and it largely attribute to animal characteristics

Well, sorry to burst your bubble
You need to understand it in the original composition language and not as an English speaker

And no, begotten, in this context, has nothing to do with animal characteristics

vaxx:
i am still awaiting the better usage of English grammar that will better position that word in the context of the verse

God gave His unique or one of a kind Son

vaxx:
good point raised there....
but if am to go by your your pseudo analysis here, you will realized you just shot yourself in the foot,
are you not the one claiming jesus was god and how come it is unique and one of its kind the time
or you mean GOD SEND HIS UNIQUE SON using the isaac and abraham analogy

John 3:16, originally was written in Greek
The uniqueness of Isaac, originally was wriiten in Hebrew, so the Greek "monogene" was not used

The birth of Isaac is unique, one of a kind and as promised.
The birth of Jesus as well, equally is unique, one of a kind and as promised too

The birth of Jesus is unique and one of a kind,
because God, became God, the Father, after physically projecting Himself to earth, as God, the Son, whom Jesus Christ is

vaxx:
do not be in an hurry,
i think you shot yourself on the foot with this abraham analogy.
you could have stick with the morphology

You're mistaking, if you think I shot myself in the foot with the Abraham analogy
Forget about morphology, that's a red herring
I only brought in Isaac because it has a slight similarity with "begotten" that you have misunderstood and misinterpreted

vaxx:
if i am to go by your logic here, i will conclude that the supposed ruler of the universe,
who could not think any better way to forgive his creations,
than send himself in human form to act as a human sacrifice is incompetent.
Just so those creations can get into heaven to worship this insecure deity for eternity

Let's just say
and accept that, there are rules, processess, laws and principles laid down by God that even He respects and abides by

vaxx:
I find this God to be lacking in anything godlike

Well it looks like you have a dim view of God then
What were you expecting God do?

Would you esteem it to be godlike enough of God
if God had plucked out a magic wand, waved it,
then saying abracadabra and everything suddenly turned hunky-dory?

vaxx:
this is gibberish.
i do not hold sense out of it

Just store the "gibberish" into memory.
Sooner or later, all the info will come together and you'll make sense of them all.

vaxx:
you do no do any better except from that of the morphology

As you want it

vaxx:
LOL the philosophical point of that verse stand out to be poor,
do you know what i deduce from it.
it is if you believe in God, then everlasting life is real
but if you don’t, even more terrible things await you.
Not much of a choice. this is clearly weak of theology.
sorry what you present so far are pseudo intellectual concept, i expect you do better than this in your next reply

People die once, and after that they are judged
There is no injustice with God

Nothing and no one takes God by surprise
however everything and everyone are part of God's great eternal plan

God is solving a problem
and humans happen to be part of the solution package
Two for the price of one.

vaxx:
and please try and add space to your write up,
i found it a bit cracky

I am only countering blow by blow, section by section, each, out of order comments, you made
I will space them, more out, then
but you too, dont post lengthy write-ups that will require long responses

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Christianity Etc › Re: Biodun Fatoyinbo Aka "Robust Reply" Visits Ibadan By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 6:22pm On Mar 18, 2018*

BushWickBill:
So after all your genuflecting and gerrymandering you still haven't asked your brother for his "robust response".

Nobody is judging him. Let him clear his conscience by telling us what went wrong with former Ese Walter.
Remember that said subject has sadly denounced Christianity because of the actions of your brother the Reverend. That isn't important to you.

We as Christians have a duty from God to hold each other responsible and accountable for our actions.
By this post you have abdicated that responsibility and you are facilitating and enabling irresponsible
and shameful behavior of this charlatan who is more fluff than substance and is driven to his core by the intense materialism.
If you want, call him your brother. You are entitled to that right.
But the foundation of the Lord standeth sure, the Lord knows them that are his.

You are clearly moved by visual appearances hence your failure to perceive
and deduce that Pastor is clearly using his office to satisfy his desires
and you see nothing wrong with someone
who is still yet to explain his actions nearly five years after he said he would.
He was not forced to make that promise, he did on his own volition,
yet it doesn't irk you as to why he is yes is still yet to be yes.

Its not just the internet or the elephant who dont forget

He could have come out to say that after reflection, he will no longer give a robust reply
that as far as he is concerned he isnt anymore going to comment on the issue any further
and that would have put a final nail to the matter's issue and settled it

traeces:
When you say Paul condemned Peter,
I beg to disagree, reprimand should be the word
and you may want to look the 2 words up in a dictionary.

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Condemned and reprimand
virtually means the same thing

traeces:
Remember Jesus?
The Jews brought to him a woman caught in the very act so as to get him to decide her fate, what did he do?
"Let him that is without sin cast the first stone".

This sounds like an amulet verse handy for use to ward off criticism
and looks like a protection verse against getting lambasted

traeces:
Remember David?
Not only did he sleep with Uriah's wife, he murdered Uriah and others to cover up.
Yet even under the law, God confronted David and after his repentance made it to becoming a man after God's own heart

If your conscience is clear
and you're at peace with self that no one is being taken advantage of, then...

traeces:
After all is said and done, it is between them and God.
I have my own issues to sort out really

You raised your head above the parapet, so....

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by MuttleyLaff: 6:21pm On Mar 18, 2018

budaatum:
John 7

“Are you from Galilee, too?"

It is possible that the Pharisees were not aware that Jonah, Nahum, Hosea, Elijah, and Elisha possibly came from Galilee. However, considering their agenda to eliminate this rable rouser who claimed to have been sent by God, "eat my flesh, drink my blood", one might not be wrong in claiming they desired to distort Scripture to suit their end. He didn't exactly make it easy for them with what non-believers could only call wild antics, and his claim 'to be sent by God'!

The facts for many however, were different. "Is this truly the Messiah?" some asked. 'I thought they were going to kill him, but don't they seem afraid of him instead? But they were the "foolish crowd", ignorant of the law, with God’s curse on them, the sheepee, so to speak.

The ‎Pharisees appear to have no knowledge or the desire to interpret the Messianic prophecy in Isaiah which claims, "Galilee" is to be made glorious by a son who is to be called "Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace". I guess they were not having his "I Am" claims neither!
‎
Which gives this week's simple question, along with the many posed in the chapter which are worth considering.

Anyone who wants to do the will of God will know whether my teaching is from God or is merely my own.
Would you have accepted that "I Am"?

Do note that if I have butchered the previous chapters, what I've done to this one is butchered it with my eyes shut!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Biodun Fatoyinbo Aka "Robust Reply" Visits Ibadan By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 4:04pm On Mar 18, 2018

balmofgilead:
Why wont you people let us 'slaves' be?
why do you people care about us so much eh.
leave us to be decieved ahn ahnn!

Have nothing to do with the useless works that darkness produces.
Instead, expose them for what they are
- Ephesians 5:11

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Christianity Etc › Re: Biodun Fatoyinbo Aka "Robust Reply" Visits Ibadan By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 3:54pm On Mar 18, 2018

balmofgilead:
Deji yusuf you are seriously messed in mind body and spirit.
you took your time to write absolute jargonnn! Go and rest biko.
just take a look at you. you attended the church thrice just to judge and dissect this men.
may you be judged and dissected in the same way so that you would feel how it is.
you know nothing.

OP with that thread freed a thousand slaves
(i.e. freed a thousand Nigerian young people who would have some day discovered the deceitful manner ministers like him can defraud them)
could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.
(i.e. who would rather someone call a spade a shovel)

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Christianity Etc › Re: Biodun Fatoyinbo Aka "Robust Reply" Visits Ibadan By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 3:42pm On Mar 18, 2018

jaytee01:
Thanks for the detailed description of that "business center".
But fear no gree u ask for the long awaited robust reply!

Chubhie:
Bravo deji yesufu!
This guy deserves to head the free sheep movement.
I know truth when I read one.

Ranchhoddas:
This guy finish work.
Very enjoyable read!

Yes ooo
I even pulled up with excitement and popcorn
I concur with all three statements above
No place to hide for all the "Mr Robust Reply" of this neck of VBCampaign's woods

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Christianity Etc › Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by MuttleyLaff: 2:28pm On Mar 18, 2018*

vaxx:
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believe in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.

the serious problem I observed

The serious problem I observed, shown in this post, is, the certain quasi-knowledgeability that knows nothing
Furthermore, it is insulting to someone's intelligence, asking that contributors not quote biblical reference to support submitted posts

vaxx:
God loves the world so much that he sends his son? Why didn't he send himself?

Though Jesus was God,
He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to.
Instead, He gave up his divine privileges;
He took the humble position of a servant
and was born as a human being.
And so God appeared on earth, in human form, as Jesus Christ, His Son

God can send Himself, did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ
God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time)
Note Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him, when saying: "My Lord, My God"

vaxx:
The only logical explanation and conclusion one can reach is that God doesn’t really love us all that much,
because he couldn’t send himself but he sends his son

Christ is the visible image of the invisible God
What other logical way, effective, reasonable, legal and conventional means, did you expect God to send Himself to earth?

vaxx:
Second what type of Father sends his son into harms way?
A father doesn't put his son in harm's way,

God was not and never was in harm's way, He couldnt handle
Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself
Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did.
This is a matter of the classsic DIY

God looked for someone who could build walls
or stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one
so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself

vaxx:
but he takes the harm and pain off his son so his son doesn't have to suffer

I am sure you're joking that:
"harm and pain was taken off Jesus so Jesus doesn't have to suffer"

vaxx:
and lastly, what is the Bible trying to say when it says God has begotten a son?

This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying
The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene"
"monogene", means, one and only or one of a kind

"monogene", is a combination of the root words:
"mono" (one or only) and "genos" (of a class or kind)
hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" means "the only of its kind"

It occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac,
where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an older son, Ishmael
Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son
Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own)

vaxx:
If the term Son of God is not meant to be taken literally then why is a literal word of offspring through sexual intercourse being used?

Again, "begotten" in that context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

vaxx:
There are 2 solutions to this,
either the God mentioned in the Gospel of John had physical relations with a lady to have Jesus,
which is why he is called begotten, or someone made this teaching up,
which throws the entire theology of John into doubt, since we can’t trust somebody who’s blatantly preaching a false doctrine concerning God

Facepalm. SMH. Tsk tsk tsk.

vaxx:
another important question.
why do God needs to have only one begotten son.
can't he create a million of Jesus Christ?

Very good question
The need, is for one "silver bullet"
and not million(s) of "silver bullet"
When Jesus, before bowing His head and giving up His spirit said: "It is finished"
The "It is finished" means "now accomplished"
It signifies a sense of finality, the effect of which continues into the present
The task and/or mission is accomplished, hence, there is no need for a million of Jesus Christ

Jesus, is the last Adam, and second man
The first man Adam became a living soul
Whereas, Jesus, the last Adam, became a life-giving spirit

The first man, is of the earth, earthy;
the second man, is from heaven.

vaxx:
pls do not quote biblical reference to support your claim and try as much to avoid insult

Your emasculating wish is granted

vaxx:
logical explanation is all I need.
this is not meant to ridicule Christianity, just want some scholarly reply

Right.
Now there you have it.
"scholarly reply" without quoting biblical reference to support as you wished

PastorAIO, its turn by turn, I read where you and Ubenedictus used emmany and mutty in codes to mention Emmanystone and I,
and I laughed at how I got misconstrued but I will respond when you both, get to the front of the queue

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Christianity Etc › Re: Answers Urgently Needed Please. by MuttleyLaff: 3:11am On Mar 18, 2018

Naijadrillz:
I call on the likes of:
cc : Billyonaire
Sarassin
MrPresident1
muttleylaff

I grew up believing that the more you work at something the more chances you are at getting it
I grew up believing that hardwork is the pre-requisite for success
I read long hours and i work long hours in order to achieve the best
I am at a point where i feel working hard does not guarantee success in life
and that there are other things that needs to be looked into
These things that need to be looked into are things i dont have any inkling about

I really want to know about those thngs that stands in people's way.
I need to know more about those things that influence people around you

Despite my good nature and dealings with people they end up not appreciating
and it seems to me i just wasted my time helping someone in the time of need
I would easily pass assessments and interviews only for me to get on the job to realise i am working against things that cannot be explained
I would be failed for things other people pass on
It makes me wonder what makes me different
When i get to a new place they look, perceive and interact with me in a different way
Like there is something they are seeing that am not
or does it have anything to do with different spirits in people reacting a different way once they come across with me?
I really do not understand and i would appreciate answers.

Also I had a dream and in it i saw myself in a different way having different nipples lined on body (by my sides).
What is the meaning of these things please?? Who is me?
My own conclusion is either an entity is working against me or am labouring under a curse
Please what do i need to do regarding this ??
Who can remove this entity/entities or curses

Naijadrillz:
Billyonaire

Let me start by saying i appreciate your response
I have been following you for a while
and i know you have got the required experience and expertise to tell me what i need to do
and the good heart to help someone in times of need.

Pay less attention to those who don't appreciate your inputs on here
as there are lots of people who hold you in high esteem and are ready to learn from you.
I happen to be one of them.

I live and work in the UK.
I am a Business Analyst with a background in Exploration Geophysics.
I've worked in financial institutions both within and outside of UK but been jobless for the past 2-3 months

My last place of employment was with a bank here in the UK after working with them for close to 3 years.
I had to fight a lot of spiritual battles to be able to stay on that for close to 3 years after which i resigned out of frustration.

I got a better offer with PWC which facilitated my resignation .
I was just a month into the present one when i was told my services were no longer required.
No reason was given as to why the decision was taken.
That dealt a devastating blow on me as i was not expecting that to say the least
Now am stuck as i cannot go back to my former organisation i resigned from
and the job market is getting increasingly competitive by the day

The situation i know is a purely spiritual one and inputs from you would be highly appreciated

As for the Hallelujah boys you mentioned, i know what to expect from them
except if they are going to be suggesting something new which i haven't tried before.
I have done the fasting and praying technique before and that has not resolved the problem in anyway
I have a bit of understanding about what could perhaps be the problem
but when it comes to the practical side of it i do not have much understanding of the way the sub-conscious works

I know it could be a case of an entity that has successfully hidden itself from me and trying to frustrate my efforts.
I am ready to confront this head-on which is why i have decided to post this.

As for the dream i don't really dream as such which was why i was a bit shocked when i woke up.
Only thing i could remember doing was that I accidentally had a magnet close to my head the night before
Could that be a reason why i had such dream

I need inputs please.
Billyonaire and the rest, please offer your help
Moderator can you please push this to the front page.
I earnestly need someone to advise me on what i need to do.

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40am On Mar 14, 2018

budaatum:
I'm told it's called The Bible. They say he revealed himself but never quite mention his name in full. Many know him as Jehovah.

My response to this is unfinished
I had to quickly dash out and only posting this parked on the road
I'll publish the unfinished post though what's left is just a couple of words, in a few hours time.
Keep an eye out for it.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread Of My Questions To Vaxx on his religion - Yoruba Traditional belief by MuttleyLaff: 10:37am On Mar 14, 2018

FOLYKAZE:
I think the new version of the Yoruba bible have corrected the anomaly and ttanslate Satan to Satani.

Why didnt Ajayi Crowther translate Jehovah as Orisha Oke, Mary as Moremi, Jesus as Orunmila and the likes?

Thank you so much for taking the time to adequately respond to all my queries, trying to clear a seemingly muddled pool.

I will in a few hours respond to this and the preceded post.
I must say, and warn you that, how described Olodumare is a concern to me among other matters.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread Of My Questions To Vaxx on his religion - Yoruba Traditional belief by MuttleyLaff: 9:08am On Mar 14, 2018*

Emmanystone:
Meaning, Esu is not evil,
but to have a satan in the Bible, he was given the place of satan the devil?

But, the cult, what is it for?

Meaning Esu has a similar evil modus operadi like Satan's
and so was given the place of satan the devil
The necessity for a name, is the mother of that substitution
The Yoruba bible translation had to be completed with a Yoruba name for Satan,

Esu's idiosyncrasy, apparently, fitted the bill like a hand fits in a glove

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread Of My Questions To Vaxx on his religion - Yoruba Traditional belief by MuttleyLaff: 4:35am On Mar 14, 2018

FOLYKAZE:
Sin is any form of action, though or feeling that is against or contrary to God's law.

and Yoruba spirituality has no concept of this description of what sin is, you earlier said. Right?

FOLYKAZE:
Yoruba spirituality focus more on attaining Iwa-pele

Iwa-pele for the benefit of non-Yoruba speakers, means "gentle disposition"

FOLYKAZE:
Eledumare does not give Mankind any standard or divine law that guide how we life.

There must be a justification for this
Why doesnt Eledumare give Mankind any standard or divine law that guide how we life?

FOLYKAZE:
Actually, there are some law guiding the livelihood in a community.
These laws are set basd on the moral view of Men not God.
The Orishas too have some certain principles except Eledumare. He/It has set everything in motion.

Hmm, some laws guiding the livelihood in a community, like what?
What does "These laws are set basd on the moral view of Men not God" mean?

FOLYKAZE:
1. The Supreme Authority is the infinite source of all Ashe (power).

Hmm, interesting and I can relate to this description
I like the description, though, I think, "Ashe" correctly mean Authority or Influence
and Power would have been translated from "Agbara or Ookun"

FOLYKAZE:
And Orisha are the facet. More like a pool of energy with electric aspect, kinetic aspect and more aspects of the pool

Ooookay

FOLYKAZE:
2. It is known by the name Eledumare or Olódùmarè

Kindly break down Eledumare,
What does the word, Eledumare really mean and/or what properly is the name all about?
Why is Olódùmarè called Olódùmarè?

FOLYKAZE:
3. Orisha is simply an Orisha

Thank you, so nothing to compare it with then

FOLYKAZE:
4. There are many Orishas like Ogun, Sango, Oya, etc

Interesting

FOLYKAZE:
5. This is a very important question.
I believe anything that is called God or Deity must be worshipped.
Worship literally mean acknowledging the worth of someone or something.
Therefore, an Orisha, in whichever form, plays an important role in the existence of Yoruba people and the world at large.
For this reason alone, they are Deified.

Hmm interesting bunch of a whole load of stuff

Similar way, the typical wacky-and-die glutton, acknowledging the worth of the stomach or belly, has the stomach deified?
Same way, drunks or alcoholics, acknowledging the worth of beer, spirits, rum, alcohol etcetera, have any of those drinks deified?
Same way, chrematistics acknowledging the worth of money, worship and deify it?
Same way, people acknowledging the worth of inanimate or not alive object, lying around a shrine somewhere, have it deified?
It's true, people make gods of things

FOLYKAZE:
5b. It extends to Non-Yoruba. Though these Orisha might take on another name in another culture,
but they have ssmblance in nature and character.

Hmm. I follow your drift. OK

FOLYKAZE:
I believe Esu is bad becaue that is his nature.

1/ Why is Esu bad?
2/ How did Esu come about?
3/ Does Olódùmarè approve of Esu being deified?
4/ Is Olódùmarè pleased and/or happy Eus is deified?

FOLYKAZE:
Becoming an initiate of Esu cult will enable one to have full understanding of Esu and it nature.
Esu is answerable to Eledumare.

Forgive me, I dont understand this
but why, to what end is this collabo with Esu?
How is any good going to come out of fraternizing with big bad Esu?
Is there not a better way to have full understanding of Esu and it's nature without association with Esu?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread Of My Questions To Vaxx on his religion - Yoruba Traditional belief by MuttleyLaff: 2:50am On Mar 14, 2018*

Emmanystone:
So, can Esu be termed as Satan then?

FOLYKAZE:
No.

Esu is not entirely bad.
He protects, defend, bless and sometime uphold justice for Mankind.
Yoruba people name their children after Esu.
We have names like Esudara, Esubiyi, Esusola.
There are also some people who join Esu cult.

Emmmanystone fyi
Esudara means, Esu is good,
Esubiyi means, Esu, birth-gave this,
Esusola means, Esu architected this wealth

Apparently, it was Bishop Ajayi Crowther whilst translating the Bible to Yoruba language
who fitted Esu up to be Satan based on Esu having a similar modus operadi like Satan

FOLYKAZE, if not entirely bad, why at all, is Esu bad?
Why and what do some people join Esu cult for?
Is Esu, a law unto itself or Esu is answerable to a higher power?

FOLYKAZE:
If Esu is entirely bad, no one would have embrace it.
This is unlike Satan that is complicated evil.

Did you mean to type completely, instead of complicated?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread Of My Questions To Vaxx on his religion - Yoruba Traditional belief by MuttleyLaff: 2:28am On Mar 14, 2018*

FOLYKAZE:
1. My knowledge of hell is from Christian belief.

I thought as much, that likely that's how and where you gathered your understanding and knowledge of and about hell from

FOLYKAZE:
It is a place filled and surrounded with fire where sinners, demoms and satan are going to be punished after judgement by God

Hell or better put, Hades, actually is a Greek concept, the Jews have no concept of Hell or Hades
they have Sheol, alright but as earklier said, the concept of Hell or Hades is a Greek one.

I like your cautious rendition of Hell,
which in the real or proper sense, actually is the Lake of Fire, otherwise, called the second death

FOLYKAZE:
2. There is no hell in Yoruba spirituality because of the absence of Christian concept of sin, eternal damnation or some kind of jidgdment after the end of the world.

Interesting.
In Yoruba spirituality, there is the absence of a concept of sin

Doubly interesting.
In Yoruba spirituality, there is the absence eternal damnation or some kind of jidgdment after the end of the world.

By the way, thanks for your earlier question responses
but wow, what, as you've come to know, learn and understand, is sin?
If you explain what it is, maybe, it will make understanding its absence in Yoruba spirituality
and why Yoruba spirituality happens to be hell agnostic

FOLYKAZE:
3. Orisha is a spirit that represent the manifestation of the Supreme Authority.
In general sense, Orisha is a deity among the Yoruba people

Hmm, so Orisha is a spirit that represents the manifestation of the Supreme Authority

Please share more light on Orisha and the Supreme Authority
1/ Kindly explain in details, how does Orisha, as a spirit, represent the manifestation of the Supreme Authority?
What manifesting/manifested Supreme Authority, is Orisha representing?
2/ What is the Supreme Authority?
Does the Supreme Authority have a name the Supreme Authority is known by?
3/ What is Orisha known as, called or name?
4/ Is there just one or there are more than one Orisha?
5a/ Why does Orisha have to or need to be a deity among the Yoruba or any other people for that matter?
5b/ Is this exclusive to the Yoruba only, as in, a privilege not extended to non Yorubas

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread Of My Questions To Vaxx on his religion - Yoruba Traditional belief by MuttleyLaff: 2:28am On Mar 14, 2018

vaxx:
olodumare has a being is without gender, but he is depicted as a single source, will it not make sense if the we or he is use.....

practically no one has seen olodumare including the orisha.... apart from orunmila who saw his buttocks lol, when he is in human form Oriunmila see a part of his buttocks after a
gigantic sacrifice at the sea.

In odu ifa Osa Otura
Ifa reavel how Olodumare reavel is buttock to orumila
Ifa said in Osa Otura
A ki ri idi okun
A ki ri Idi Osa
A ki ri idi Olodumare
Sugbon Eni to ba ko sinu omi
Ni o mon ibi ti omi mu ni de
Awon to ba ke ibosi ni won feju Yan Yan soke
Difa fun Orunmila
Nijo ti yio lo re ridi Olodumare
Ebo ni won ko Kara ale ko mase
Woni eti okun ni ko gbe ebo lo
Orunmila gbe ebo odi eti okun
Bi o se niki ki o gbe ebo sile lo wo Olodumare to bora le ni ihihoho
Olodumare ni iwo Orunmila?
Orunmila si dahun pe repo
Olodumare nje o ridi mi bayii ?
Orunmila ni ibi sikiti ibadi nikan na ni mori
Olodumare ni oda to ba je be ko si ohun ti o ko ni ridi mon laye
Orunmila ba n jo
I ba n you
Oni ohun pelu eledumare egbarigba.
TRANSLATION
No one unravel the mystery of the ocean
No one unravel the mystery of the sea
No one unravel they mystery of Olodumare

It one who immersed himself in the river
That knows the depth of the river
It is one who cry out for assistance
That will open his eye very wide to the sky
Ifa divination reading was performed for Orunmila
When ifa want see the buttocks of Olodumare
He ask will I discovered Olodumare secrets ,everything he asked ?
Orunmila was instructed to offer sacrifice
But he should take the sacrifice to the sea
As he was about to place it at the beach
He saw Olodumare put off his garment
He saw the buttocks

Because Olodumare was stark Unclad and was in human image
Olodumare ask Orunmila did you see me?
Orunmila answer yes
I only see plump part of your buttock
Olodumare then said since you see my buttocks
There is nothing on earth that you will not be able to unravel again
Orumila was dancing and very happy
so from this verse we can now deduce tha Olodumare is an invisible entity. You can communicate with him by using orisha of your choice as intermediary. OLODUMARE SELECT WHOMEVER HE WANTshadeyinka

shadeyinka:
You called my name like one who just concluded an incantation.

I hope it is well.
My light is His reflection. Untouchable, unlockable, un-lookable and unquenchable!
Its a light that slices the mountains and divides the seas...

Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces;
anyone on whom it falls will be crushed."
- Matthew 21:44

Anyone who stumbles over ~~you~~ that stone will be broken to pieces,
and it will crush anyone it falls on."
- Matthew 21:44 NLT[/quote]And in their hands they shall bear you up,
lest at any time you dash your foot against a stone.
- Luke 4:11

There was no need for that, except that you're giving him too much credit
Be unmindful of Matthew 21:44 at your own peril

FOLYKAZE:
All you've written above is hogwash.
No one is denying the natural representation of Orisha. While we know that Osun is a water (h20) on the surface, there is more to it on the spirtual aspect when we dig more.
So you telling us that Egungun is simply man who hides under the veil brings to the point that you know absolutely nothing about ATS.

Simply tell us what ajogun is and their benevolent attribute to existence

Emmanystone:
Sir, pls take it easy, lets learn from both of you.
No need to be hash.

I know FOLYKAZE,
and he is completely right, it is hogwash, plus mostly unashamed copy and paste, lifted word for word, from online content

What I found amusing,
was that, I immediately knew the post, which at the end of, as a frightener, he appended shadeyinka moniker to, was a "copy and paste"
because I recognised the post's content being from a website, I had a long time ago, previously bookmarked due to it being informative.
You know me, living in the Bible, doesnt prevent me travelling and/or go places

Christianity Etc › Re: Sola Scriptura: Does Following The Bible Equal Following The Lord? by MuttleyLaff: 12:50am On Mar 14, 2018

Ubenedictus:
1 sola scriptural wasn't used in the early Church.

Are you sure?

Ubenedictus:
2 sola scriptural was invented in the 1600

Hmm. Are you sure?

Ubenedictus:
3 he had a guilty conscience and couldn't convince himself that the salvation of Christ gave him hope
so he invented sola fide
and since he couldn't support his doctrine except by twisting scripture he invented sola scriptural

Hmm...
"he invented sola scriptural", indeed.
Are you sure he invented sola scriptural?
What was the original and real reason why he "invented" sola scriptural?

Ubenedictus:
lastly you can take your own advice.

Ah! Visit many good books, but live in the Bible
Yeah, after travelling, going to places, there is nothing like being back at home, for real comfort

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread Of My Questions To Vaxx on his religion - Yoruba Traditional belief by MuttleyLaff: 12:34am On Mar 14, 2018

FOLYKAZE:
There is no hell in Yoruba spirituality.
And freedom is vital in ATS, veneration of Orisha is done at will

1/ Please what, comprehensively according to what you've come to know and understand it to be, is hell?
2/ There ought to a plausible reason why there is no hell in Yoruba spirituality
so why then, is there no hell in Yoruba spirituality?
3/ Kindly, give a comprehensive and high level illumination that shows what and all that Orisha is?

Christianity Etc › Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 11:34pm On Mar 13, 2018

Gombs:
leave these folks....i know them well.

if i start with them ehn...lol

Gombs:
... i see you viewing this thread...
don't you see rule 19 openly being flouted?

he was here with his real name before his inconsistency with his teachings made he make several turns...
and now, we are here again...VBcampaign

https://www.nairaland.com/1392883/how-realistic-tithing#17361764

meanwhile, how have you been?

[img]https://s1/images/Loverboy.jpg[/img]
Dont snitch. Never rat.
Always know when to keep your mouth shut
No one likes a tattletale

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 10:53pm On Mar 13, 2018

budaatum:
None of the above.
He is revealed in a book written in English!

How is He revealed in this book written in English?
What book written in English is this?

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 9:19pm On Mar 13, 2018

godisgood200:
Same what goes for satan the adversary?
What brought satan into this matter now?

Pls sir, I'd rather you dont bring that leg of "God is too big to be given a name" with me.
I don't have the patience these other folks have with you.

You are very evasive.

A question is asked, you'd abandone it and jump to something else.

What does the Almighty God calls himself?

https://gifyu.com/images/steadylaugh.gif

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 9:16am On Mar 13, 2018

godisgood200:
These people make empty noises.
If you attempt to hold them down, they run
Ifeness ran. Orisa ran. Where is OtemAtum?
You guys shd come out and tell us more about this your beliefs.

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 8:44am On Mar 13, 2018

OtemAtum:
Anu
is just one of the beings made by God Almighty,
same as Enlil, Olorun, Eshu, Yahweh, Allah who are all made by God Almighty.

godisgood200:
Who is the Almighty God?
I mean he calls himself.

Thank you for this question, ojaare
1/ Who, out of Anu, Enlil, Olorun, Eshu, Yahweh and Allah, is this, known as, Almighty God?
2/ Who, out of Anu, Enlil, Olorun, Eshu, Yahweh and Allah, calls Himself, God Almighty, also written as El Shaddai?

orisa37, you didnt at all, give any understanding and insights to the meaning of "Olodumare".
You, just waffled and made no attempt at explaining, or breaking down, whatever the meaning of "Olodumare" is

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 12:32am On Mar 12, 2018*

OkCornel:
Like I mentioned earlier, let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill...

Is it my query on the difference between "being" and "is about" that moved you into typing all of these?

And you are telling me I am defensively lashing out?
over what exactly? petty issues?

No, maybe you arent consciously aware you do it
but when you're pulled up on things you've posted, you increasingly become uncomfortable and less assured,
and so lash out to whoevers called you out, with spiteful comments.
Maybe its a strategy done, to get whoever, to back off

What you fail to realise is that, I know what I bring to the table,
so trust me when/if I say, I am not afraid to eat alone
I don't share what I know, because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently
but I share what I know, to show people who know, like me, that, they're not alone
Afterall and at the end of the day, a candle loses nothing by lighting another candle

OkCornel:
Since you want to go sarcastic...why not pass your message across in sign language?

You don't know why you bother? Then why bother yourself at all?

Honestly, you are more mature than this... and if you have something to share, please share and overlook all these pettiness in vocabulary and grammar...

You've done this again
After I had already responded to your original submission
You went in and added these enviable above and immediate comment,
but you've done an own goal, confirming my assertion to a tee about you, your nature and modus operandi

By the power vested in me,
I now pronounce you... "alo ramirami" ignored.
Another ID moniker bites the dust

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 11:54pm On Mar 11, 2018

OkCornel:
Christianity is about invented truth...
what difference does it make from what I mentioned earlier?
"being" and "is about" what is different here in the context of what I asked?

You're wrapped up in your own ways and echo chamber.
Always, at the feel of the slightest discomfort, defensively lashing out when your attention is called to something

There is a subtle difference, that is why I corrected you
You'll be right, and I wouldnt have objected, had it being you wrote:
"please shed more light on Christianity being about invented truth"

OkCornel:
Let's try not to major on minor issues...lest we miss the point altogether.
Not everyone has a perfectionist view on English or Literature for that matter...

SMH. We can switch to vernacular
if that suits you happy
I dont know why I even bother

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 11:33pm On Mar 11, 2018

OkCornel:
In a few words, what is the difference between Christian and Christianity...

And please shed more light on Christianity being an invented truth...

If there was absence of lack in the early church as stated by the Bible...
do you think it is an impossible feat to achieve?

First come, first serve
Answer each and all my questions in that post first, without leaving out any
then I will justifiably do same with yours

PS: Seems you dont note my syntaxes and/or choice of words, be mindful henceforth of them
I didnt type:Christianity being an invented truth
but typed:
Christianity, is about invented truth

OkCornel:
Do you also think calling myself a Christian automatically means I am a candidate for Heaven?
I just don't want to be tagged with that word "Christian"...
it is overrated, polluted and abused... it's my personal decision...
afterall, a tree would be judged by the quality of the fruit it bears...and not by the name you call it...

A productive orange tree carries more value than a barren fig tree...

You added these, after I had already responded to your original submission
Go back as earlier said, answer each and all my questions in that post first, without leaving out any
then I will justifiably do same with your questions

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sola Scriptura: Does Following The Bible Equal Following The Lord? by MuttleyLaff: 11:18pm On Mar 11, 2018*

Ubenedictus:
Catholics on nl have been saying this, sola scriptura is a word alone teaching that makes everyone his own Church and fragment the body of Christ, it wasn't practiced in the early Church, it was invented in the 1600s by Martin Luther who used it as an excuse for his schism, he soon found out his system doesn't work after he saw the Anabaptist and Zwingli use his theory and arrive at new heresy.
Luther anathematized the other Protestants and started to rethink theology by making himself the standard for right interpretation, same things Calvin did....
but they had already opened Pandora's box and unleashed the weirdest abomination in ecclesiology... a fragmented Christianity with no bearing.

What wasn't practiced in the early Church?
What was invented in the 1600s by Martin Luther who used it as an excuse for his schism?
Why and what pushed Martin Luther over the cliff to use "it" as an excuse for his schism?

shadeyinka:
If one would not be biased, I think it is still better to follow the scriptures as the only authority rather than traditions.

Why?

Over time, a lot of extra traditions came into the church and therefore, a purging of the system was needed.

Example:
-There was a time when indulgence for sin was sold to people
-Veneration of Mary (I know that as a Catholics you will reject this)
- Purgatory
- infallibility of the Pope ( I could be wrong)
etc.

The best way of sifting out what smuggled itself in was to look at the documents left by the Apostles (the New Testament). Anything not found in could be relegated to the realm of minor doctrine.

My take.

* its not my intention to attack the believes of the Catholics.

Following the Lord means exactly that: following the Lord
Following the scriptures cannot be the same as following the Lord
Following traditions is certainly NOT following the Lord.

The difference is just in safety.

The Scriptures is trusted: hence can be used as an operating manual in following the Lord

Traditions cannot be trusted (examples abound that can be proved to be insertions)

Ubenedictus:
shadeyinka I just lost my post, allow me to respond later

Invented truth is not exclusive to only Catholics
but to the whole spectrum of religiosty

This is why, travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness

Close some doors though, not because of pride, incapacity or arrogance,
but simply because they lead you nowhere

Old ways, wont open new doors, so travel places
Visit many good books, but live in the Bible.

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 10:10pm On Mar 11, 2018*

OkaiCorne:
Bro, I know Christianity means to be like Christ....

Really?
Does it now?
I am interested all biblical references you can signpost me to, about this your bold statement, that says:
"Christianity means to be like Christ"?

OkaiCorne:
Ask yourself, how many Christians are like Christ?

The number of Christians that are like Christ are few and far in between

OkaiCorne:
Ask yourself, despite all the number of "Christ like" people in Nigeria, why is this country like this?

How is the country like?
Never mind, back to answering your question
The country is like it is because the number "Christ like" people in Nigeria are few and far in between

OkaiCorne:
Like I mentioned earlier, I am not into being labelled as a Christian...
just leave me to serve God without tagging me with a name for what I do

Since, I have taken time and put in meaningful effort in answering your two questions above,
here is my observations and questions I expect you to answer for me

The bible doesnt anywhere say Christians are like Christ
The bible doesnt anywhere say a Christian is someone who believes in Christ and behaves like Christ
The bible never called disciples, never called any of the Apostles, never called saints etcetera christians
The bible never informs that the disciples, any of the Apostles, saints etcetera addressed each other as christians or called each other christians

Now its because of those four for now observations, that are why, I dont really follow you
nor understand why and how you equated "Christian" to be "like Christ"

We both know, that the word, Christian, occurs only, 3 times in the bible
but it will be a tragic mistake,
if you plan to improperly lean on to those 3 verses (i.e. Act 11:26, Act 26:28 and/or 1 Peter 4:16) for succour,
as I ask you the following questions:

1/ What, according to your undertanding, before being sanitised, does Christian mean?
2/ Why was King Agrippa particularly horrified at the prospect of being labelled a Christian
3/ Do you notice Paul response to Aggrippa?
4/ Do you notice Paul stopped short of using Aggrippa's "Christian" adjective and/or label
but instead opted to use "I would to God that not only you but also all who hear me this day might become such as I am"?
5/ Aside everytime cliche responses,
like, for example, saying: the tag "Christian" wasn't used by Jesus, the disciples or early believers etcetera
why, responding in an elaborate manner of writing, dont you subscribe to "I am a Christian by tag"?
Why are you aversed to being labelled a Christian?

OkaiCorne:
Yeah sure, Christianity is not a religion...
I've heard that all the time...

No, yeah sure, to "Christianity is not a religion", kankan
because if you've heard, all the time, that "Christianity is not a religion" then you've wrongly being informed.

Christianity is a religion, period.

I'll repeat here again, that Christianity, is about invented truth
Rarely, is it about discovered truth,
rarely does it, make religion out of discovered truth
instead, it has the habit, a lot, to make religion, out of invented truth

Its noteworthy that, the lake of fire will first freeze up before you'll ever come across the word "christianity" in the bible
but make no mistake, "christianity" is in there alright, its in there, in the bible described.
The bible painted a picture of "christianity" without mentioning the word "christianity"

OkaiCorne:
Things the Apostles did... like raising people from the dead,
Peter's shadow healing the sick,
Paul casting aside a poisonous snake that bit him and not dying...

All these, bar shadow healing the sick, are happening everyday today, and happening increasingly too

OkaiCorne:
And even most importantly...
People sharing all they had in common that there was no lack in the church...
Where are all of these today?

There was no lack in the church...?
You're kidding me right about there was no lack in the church back in biblical times? Right?
Where are all of these today?

Maybe its because the Ananias and Sapphira stunt scuppered the move
and seriously damaged the "sharing all they had in common that there was no lack in the church" model
and that is why, fast forwarding to Romans 15:26,
believers in Macedonia and Achaia, had to reach out to the poor among, same Ananias and Sapphira's Jerusalem with financial aid

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by MuttleyLaff: 9:54pm On Mar 11, 2018

budaatum:
Noted. Still didn't mean yours.

Anyway, anywhere on those two threads or in private chats that anyone or you have read me say "sphere of influence", I actually, am saying, "circle of influence"
nuance
Very often, people confuse "sphere of influence" with "circle of influence".
so in the context of our discussion, I dont want the nuance lost on any,
this is why I seized the chance to give ammends, do the heads up and correction

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Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 4:37pm On Mar 11, 2018

OkCornel:
I am a believer in the TRUTH...I just don't want to be tagged a Christian...

Why dont you want to be tagged a Christian?

OkCornel:
Many Christians claim to follow Jesus without even having the slightest idea of the things He lived and died for...

I agree 110%, with this statement

OkCornel:
And for you to say anyone who is not a Christian would perish in hell...
please look up Revelation 20 v 12 -13...
this is what happens after the dead in Christ have ruled for a 1,000 years...
12 And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before [x]God: and the [y]books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book [z]of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 [aa]And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
That explains how those who never heard of Jesus would be judged e.g. our forefathers who lived before Christianity came to Africa...OR the jungle boy in the Amazon forest with little or no contact with civilization...

"Anyone does not have the life, Christ died to give,
will go to hellfire"
- © Emmanystone

Dont you think what Emmanystone wrote up there,
is quite different to your "anyone who is not a Christian would perish in hell" version?

OkCornel:
By the way... I personally believe in the things Jesus lived and died for...
but I do not want to be called a Christian...

What is intrinsically wrong with you being called a Christian?

OkCornel:
that name bears little or no significance to me...

Why should, in the first place, should the name, Christian bear any significance to me or anyone?

OkCornel:
especially seeing the mess people have made out of it...

What mess, what or which people?

OkCornel:
Christianity of today has made a religion out of the TRUTH...

I disagree with this statement because Christianity is about invented truth
Rarely, discovered truth, rarely make religion out of the truth

OkCornel:
and missed out on the things Jesus lived and died for...

What did Jesus live and die for?
What are the missed out on the things post Jesus?

OkCornel:
I wonder why the power of God manifested in the life of Jesus and the Apostles seems to be lacking majorly in the church today...

Give a comprehensive list and examples of what are the power of God manifested in the life of Jesus and the Apostles that you think, seems to be lacking majorly in the church today

butterflylion:
Explain this please and what is truth?
Plus the word Christian simply means LIKE CHRIST and not a religion.
If you say you do not want to be like Christ then who are you like?

Yeah,
confirm whether or not, Christian simply means LIKE CHRIST and not a religion

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 3:58pm On Mar 11, 2018

bloodofthelamb:
Yeah, thanks for the correction. I meant fruit of the Spirit and not fruits.

Is it possible for a bad tree to "produce" a good fruit?
Possibly, I don't know how long, but all I know that a "leopard" cannot hid his spots forever.

Please I am not trying to be pedantic nor have an argument
I havent yet come across a bad tree "produce" a good fruit
but I have seen a tree, not necessarily a bad tree, equally "produce" good fruit and bad fruit

Christianity Etc › Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by MuttleyLaff: 3:03pm On Mar 11, 2018

OkaiCorne:
The outpouring is on all flesh...

It is now your choice whether you yield to the Spirit of God to work in you...or you refuse it...
Note:
this is my alternate moniker...

Aside cliche responses,
like the tag "Christian" wasn't used by Jesus, the disciples or early believers etcetera
Why, in an elaborate manner of writing, dont you subscribe to "I am a Christian by tag"?

What religion, to your understanding does God our Father accepts as pure and faultless?

Did Jesus or not, practice this religion?

Who is the tetragrammaton YHWH or Yahweh?
Leave me open-mouthed with your answer of who the tetragrammaton YHWH or Yahweh is

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