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Gayjesus:
A god you have no personal knowledge of

You would say so, won't you?

Gayjesus:
Where is the god today ?

I've already told you where

Gayjesus:
What is the point of this thread if you guys feel you already know it all.

That's a cop out question

Gayjesus:
To learn you need to be empty

Have you found anyone on this thread say him/her are full?
Have you read anyone say him/her are full?

Gayjesus:
No wonder billionaire did not bother commenting

Speak for yourself
Every man/woman for him/herself

Gayjesus:
Asking where is Enki now

It's a fair question.
Or isn't it?

Gayjesus:
where is your god now too

God, whom you, whether you acknowledge Him or not, is right now, holding things down.
It's down to His authority, His influence, His power, His intelligence, His knowledge, that you're still breathing and alive on this side of eternity and not given up as toast

Emmanystone:
Expand on this pls.

Where are they all now?
Where is Enki now?

Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons
God has all the time in the world
and so isnt fazed or bothered that something has got a head start

Do you know how long it took God to legally come down to earth as a bonafide human being?
Yeah 4000 years

Emmanystone:
If Moses had the privilege of watching events of the past,
when did these events occur,
was it after or before YHWH had created the universe is my query here.

As before mentioned with the earlier reference to Exodus 33:17-23, it was as if, Moses was watching a rewound video tape

I'll like you to rewind your memory to Genesis Chapter 1, and tell, how many goodness (i.e. how many ''... it was good'') in there. Seven in total. There are seven numbers of completeness and achievements, lol.

When God said to Moses:
"I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you,
and I will proclaim the name Yahweh before you.
I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

It was God, telling Moses about goodness #1, and checkmarking it with putting a tick mark, with, I AM, as in, its Me, who did it
goodness #1 up to goodness #7, and checkmarking each with putting tick marks with, I AM, as in, its Me again, who did those

God, showed Moses, with those series of flashbacks in Exodus 33:17-23, how He went about and did His creation

OkCornel:
My dear, per the bolded...
the Epic of Gilgamesh was written long before the book of Genesis was written...

Do some research on archaeology to confirm this...

I am sure it came out pear shaped like that, out of being just a little bit overexcited and from a sheer oversight

OkCornel:
You'll confuse yourself further when you work hard to give God a name...

Just stick to the simplicity that He exists... but if you want to play religion...then you'll end up confused as many out there...

And limit my replies to me alone...don't bring ifeness or anyone else into the picture...

The tetragrammaton YHWH or Yahweh, serves its purpose and so is enough name, for God, to give out
I think can guess why God didnt tell Jacob and Moses, what His real name is

Gayjesus:
“I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things”

But yet this god is portrayed as a loving god and Satan the bad one?
Does it make sense to you?

It makes sense die to me

Gayjesus:
Another one is the claim of hardening the mind of Pharoah shows this god is a manipulator

God hardening the mind of Pharoah, makes sense squared die to me
Anyway, butterflylion left you off the hook and saved your bacon for you on this "God hardening the mind of Pharoah" one
Follow butterflylion's sign post, if you are interested in "God hardening the mind of Pharoah" things and holler me from there

Gayjesus:
and yet the Christians still see him as holy?
I don’t think so.

I can bet my bottom dollar, that your understanding of "holy" is flawed

Gayjesus:
Too many flaws in the bible anyway

Give an inexhaustible list of the flaws

Gayjesus:
Moses can not write about his death

It's what is known in the trade as an epilogue

Gayjesus:
and stuff he did not witness in the other 4 books

Already know how this happened

ifenes:
Okay...... this is why this debate will never work as the OP wanted.
I’m out of here

Door isn't locked or bolted, so feel free to return back to the discussion anything you feel like

OkCornel:
And just to add... John saw that face that Moses could not see...

Hence, he could see the events of the future and write them...

Same applies to Ezekiel to an extent...

Emmanystone:
Wow. You guys are blowing my mind this morning. Thank you.

For the doubters, who say Jesus isn't God, notice just like Jesus does, when asked questions, God, goes beyond answering a seemingly innocent or harmless question but instead goes to the heart and actual question.

Moses asked: Let me see your glory
God replies: My face you cannot see

The face, mostly especially eyes, can be revealing, and that's why people, under certain circumstances, often or sometimes hide faces

Now, God, apparently knows, what Moses meant by: Show me your glory

So God, ahead of Moses, say, hey, I'll let my goodness go before you. I will proclaim my name Yahweh, meaning Yahweh, the essence, in real time past will go before you.
I will keep you in the cleft of the rock, whilst I rewind time back to the beginning, then after My Glory has walked by, I'll take my Hands off covering your face for you, to now watch and see the my goodness, see what in the past, I have been up to.

Moses asked God, for more
but had to settle for less.
Beggars have no choice

Emmanystone:
When you are less busy, show me how i made a right mess with my presentation

It's how it shows.
Don't you see the HTML tags showing up in your post?

That's why it isn't rendered properly by the browser
and why it is showing the mark up [quote author=MuttleyLaff post=65659077]and [/sup] tags in the post you mentioned me in

ifenes:
According to the Enuma Elish, Enki was the son of the chief reptilian God called Anu/ Yahweh and he had a brother called enlil. Enki was more associated with east Africa and Enlil was based in the Middle East. Yahweh/Anu had lots of female reptilians he had children with. I know it may be hard to take by Christians but their god is far from what they think he is.

This is what happens when one views a cracked shattered and dirty mirror,
as opposed to seeing a clear and one image,
one would see more than one image and unclear dirty one too, for that matter

ifenes:
I am that I am is not a name, it only means “ mind your business Slave, and go do what I asked of you”

I am having a belly laugh at this utterly absurd or ridiculous quasi-interpretation of the meaning of the tetragrammaton YHWH or Yahweh

OkCornel:
Could Enki be the manifestation YHWH before the Hebrews came to be?

I am asking if they could be one and the same entity...or otherwise

OkCornel, as earlier put, God, whose personal name is unrevealed and unknown but nonetheless, takes to Yahweh,
is everything, in a positive light, that Enki is
and everything good, positive and right that Enki is not, that, Yahweh is
Even the name Yahweh, its meaning, is a dead giveaway
Yahweh, actually YHWH, means, I AM, I AM HE WHO IS, I shall be, I AM that I AM, I will be that I will be, I Am Who I Am, that God gives as suffice as His name.

I used to wonder why God hesitates and declines to giving His name
but then got the epiphany, understood and related with Him

Emmanystone I'll get back to you asap about your query
but I must say, you've made a right mess with how your presentation reply's gone all funny

Emmanystone:
I hear folks in this forum saying that Enki of the Epic of Gilgamesh is older than YHWH of the Jews.
They base their argument on Moses the writer of the first 5 books of the Bible

Emmanystone:
They say before the First Book of the Bible (Genesis) was written, the Epic of Gilgamesh had existed for centuries, hence Moses plagiarized it.
Today, let's have a go on this.

Well, let's just say the writers of the Epic of Gilgamesh got a head start

Emmanystone:
If you believe that the Epic of Gilgamesh came first because Moses who wrote Genesis came much later, meaning Creation began with Moses,
then present your points logically and respectfully.

Concerning the Epic of Gilgamesh came first, check response above
Anyway, Moses had the privilege of watching events wound back to the beginning.
Read below Exodus 33:17-23 for the up to speed

Emmanystone:
If you say YHWH has always been and Moses was taken back in time to see and write what had happened,
then present your points.

Pls, no insults, no name calling. If you disparage any God here, you will be totally ignored.
Present your points coherently and concisely.
God bless those who believe Him and those who don't, shd just get along.
Shalom.
Butterflyl1on, muttleylaff, OkCornel, Dallaman, Hahns, ifenes. Others.

¹⁷Yahweh said to Moses, "I will do this thing also that you have spoken; for you have found favor in my sight, and I know you by name."
¹⁸Then Moses said, “I pray You, show me Your glory!”
¹⁹He said,
"I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of Yahweh before you.
I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy
²⁰He said,
"You cannot see my face, for man may not see me and live
(i.e. you cannot see the future, to die is the determining factor for that)
²¹Yahweh also said,
"Behold, there is a place by me, and you shall stand on the rock
²²It will happen, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock,
and will cover you with My Hand until I have passed by;
²³“then I will take away My Hand, and you shall see My back,
(i.e. you shall see the past, see days/years/times gone by, long-ago, ancient)
but My face shall not be seen
(i.e. my future plan(s), the hereafter, what lay/lies ahead, coming times, the fullness of time, you cant see)
- Exodus 33:17-23

God, whose personal name is unrevealed and unknown but nonetheless, takes to Yahweh,
is everything, in a positive light, that Enki is
and everything good, positive and right that Enki is not, that, Yahweh is
Even the name Yahweh, its meaning, is a dead giveaway

Jacob Wrestles with God
²⁸He said, "Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel;
for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed."
²⁹Then Jacob asked him and said,
"Please tell me your name."
But he said, "Why is it that you ask my name?"
And he blessed him there.
³⁰So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said,
"I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved."
- Genesis 32:28-30

Moses, just like Jacob, before above, tried to obtain God's personal name, but God wont have it
only to say the following should suffice: I AM, I AM HE WHO IS, I shall be, I AM that I AM, I will be that I will be, I Am Who I Am

I've got to hit the road so to be continued if and/or when necessary

Jesse01:
hm

Whats the meaning of reserving space with just "hm"? Tufia

BushWickBill:
ed
Will do so sir

Most likely later on in the day

Will try to scrutinize the message as thoroughly as I can

Dont over do it though whilst at it
Tip. It was towards the end, you'll miss noticing it, if you blink, sneeze or cough though

PastorAIO:
Nairaland's Gods in their infinite wisdom decided that I was deserving of a spontaneous ban for no reason.
I saw it as an opportunity. An opportunity to take a break from this place.
Now I feel a lot more refreshed

The god of Nairaland works in mysterious ways

PastorAIO:
So what were we even talking about?

I dont know, you tell me

PastorAIO:
Yahweh, you say, is self eternal

That stint in the Nairaland slammer seemed to have affected your recollection
I know, I havent said: Yahweh, is self eternal
but just to be 110% sure, I did a search with my moniker, but it came back negative

I think whoever told you: Yahweh, is self eternal
is saying, Yahweh, is eternal and self-existent

PastorAIO:
I still haven't heard the meaning of what self eternal is

Probably a misspeak, done by whoever you quoted

PastorAIO:
Is there anything that Brahman is not?

Is there anything...? Like what?

PastorAIO:
note: I got brahman conflated with Brahma.

Tut tut tut. That's sloppy

BushWickBill:
Thanks so much
On duty right now. Will watch when free.

He used to be my pastor in the early to mid 2000s.

After watching it, let me know what you think, it was he said, that burst my euphoria

BushWickBill:
This post summarizes everything that is wrong with the pro-tithe movement very aptly

Believers are made to feel that compulsory tithing is what drives the church.

It is going to be hard to eradicate that mentality.

But again he in my view isn't doing the tithe question complete justice.
You and I know that tithing is null and void. References to Abraham giving a tenth to Melchizedek are not necessary because it didn't fall in line with God's commandment on paying tithe. Just like paying a 10thof your wages is not specified anywhere.

But at least he is bursting the bubble for those other "missions" that claim they keep you from being poor by taking your money away.

Pray tell can you share what he said that burst your morale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtqAlBlzLM
This is one of the two videos, I watched last year
I dont know where you at, but just you know, its an over a hour YouTube video
Brilliant video, I couldnt fault, not that I had any mission to
Anyway, the part about tithing started at the last five minutes of the video

rinrin23:
Freethinking is not a cult or religion that you convert to.

Your "already being done" scheme is to subdue people into adopting your self and clan determined "superior" religion.

A freethinker does not think he/she superior, but capable of seeing things from multiple vantage points and thereby gaining unrivaled insight into a matter.
The more you seek (multi and not unidirectional), the more you shall find.

I agree some atheists and freethinkers make noise here just as much as the religionists.
However, what I have been able to observe in my many years of being on this platform is that the silent ones, the ones that force you
to think, without prejudice or an underlying motive to convert you, usually are the most enlightened on the matter. And would rather have you reason your way into belief or unbelief as the case may be, by asking questions and dropping hints.

This way you find your own way to enlightenment,
as opposed to being told what to do and what to think.

So as for shouting at the rooftops, let's evolve past worshipping the loudest vessel. We know how the saying goes

Wow, wow, wow.
Am turned into a siren all of a sudden

dalaman:
Dry humping

Mba, no ooo. No, no, no.
Dat one na suffer, suffer suffering
and the boys aren't smiling things.

So you still haven't said what this is about the snake humping

The Pharisees Investigate the Healing
¹²“Where is He?” they asked. “I do not know,” he answered.
¹³They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind.
¹⁴Now the day in which Jesus had made the clay and opened his eyes was a Sabbath.
¹⁵Therefore the Pharisees also were asking him again how he had received sight.
And he said to them,
“He put clay on my eyes,
and I washed, and I see.


¹⁸Therefore the Jews did not believe concerning him that he had been blind and had received sight, until they called the parents of him having received sight.
¹⁹And they asked them, saying,
“Is this your son,
of whom you say that he was born blind?
Then how presently does he see?”
²⁰Therefore his parents answered and said, “We know that this is our son,
and that he was born blind.
²¹But how he sees presently, we do not know; or who opened his eyes, we do not know.
Ask him. He has age. He will speak concerning himself.”
²²His parents said these things because they were afraid of the Jews.
For the Jews already had agreed together that if anyone should confess Him Christ, he would be expelled from the synagogue.
²³Because of this, his parents said,
“He has age. Ask him.”
- John 9:13-15;18-23

I am pleased, now seeing and reading you come round and beginning to reasonably engage and indulge budaatum,
instead of the earlier "what is your problem" hostile approach

You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time,
but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

Every day, is for the thief,
but one day, one day is for the Owner

BushWickBill:
My problem with this.

TREM used to have tithe cards. Meaning they made it compulsory.

but it's good he is speaking against the coercion.

I actually watched him on this YouTube video sometime last year, admitting quite a few wrongs he did like, scaring people about repercussions of not tithing etcetera.

He even said, when he embarked on lifting the lid on false teachings and practices of ecclesiastical monitised tithing, some of his inner caucus members tried to caution him, claiming finances will cease and dry up.

He said, of course, finance dwindled, in the beginning after he opened up to church members, but at least his conscience was clear, he was doing the right thing and he was standing right with God

He further said, the church isn't his, so it was left to God to see to the financial needs of His church, that all he will and had to do, is to teach right.

At the end of the confession, I stood up and gave him a standing ovation but my euphoria suddenly nose dived at something he then said, and I heard myself muttering and asking; why, why, why did you have to spoil something so good and beautiful, with this now?

dalaman:
Was the snake flying, or humping
before it started crawling on its belly?

... and what the heck is this humping all about now?
Do you know something others don't know ni?

Seun:
This thread is about being lonely as an atheist.
Back way if you are not addressing the topic.

You are wrong my dear sir because the thread never at all, specified being lonely, as an atheist
rather it is titled:
Freethinkers - Do You Ever Feel Lonely.

I immediately related to the thread, the second, the thread was published,
because I can identify with a freethinker.

I meditate and ask questions to a void
or ask and when I get an epiphany, back off.

People, get to be lone, sometimes by choice, due to circumstances, can be deliberate & planned

Such lone rangers or one man MOPOLs,
end up, not just only keeping to themselves
but also keep a lot to themselves too,
especially when they sense that others don't understand
or aren't on the same page or coach, as they are.

OkCornel:
Well...Hebrew scholars say something common between them both...RED

h t tp://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Edom.html

Anyways...my point on the dust issue has been made... and I guess everyone is clear on that as well...

Put aside hebrew scholars regurgitates because I don't know nor understand the relevance of you mentioning Edom in the first place.
It's completely off tangent.

OkCornel:
Adam and Edom means the same thing... RED

And per the bolded ... I concur...That was the point I was making to wirinet

No, not the same thing.
Adam means red earth
whilst Edom, also known as Esau, means red skin

OkCornel:
Adam was formed from the ground..

What does the name Adam mean?

OkCornel:
The writer wrote it was "dust" lying on the ground

Please reproduced in verbatim, what exactly the writer wrote?

OkCornel:
I am of the opinion that it was more than "dust"

If the writer was writing an endless book and had all the time in the world to write it, the writer would no doubt have written a comprehensive list of man's make-up

OkCornel:
Man is a complex life form resulting from an aggregation of simpler life forms...

Tell something the writer and/or my five year old neighbour doesn't already know

OkCornel:
What needs to be clarified is if what these ancient writer(s) called "dust" is also what we mean as dust today...

wirinet:
Dust as defined by ancient writers is fine particles of substances such as sand and clay. They were adept at making sculptures of animals from clay. They reasoned must have been molded from clay by gods and have life breathe into it to animate it.
They did not know carbon, oxygen, silicon or even atoms.

They were not aware of bacteria eating and decomposing dead bodies, so they reasoned that the disappearing bodies must have turned to dust and mixed with the soil or blown away in the air.

OkCornel:
Exactly...I have nothing to add per the bolded...

And the fact that they never had microscopes to see what they referred to as "dust" made them to conclude it was dust man was made from.

Even if they saw micro-organisms...I wonder what name they would have called them...

I laugh in Aramaic

What do you know silicon or silica, to be wirinet?
You really think the name or naming, Adam, which means "earth", is just a pluck out of thin air idea?

LordVoldermort you really need to take Martinez19's advice because if you should do the properly study, you will find out that religion that is true and approved of underlyingly has to do with and is all about compassion

Compassion is agnostic of Christianity, is agnostic of Islam, is agnostic of Hinduism, is agnostic of Buddhism, is agnostic of New Age, is agnostic of Paganism, is agnostic of Atheism, is agnostic of whatnot.

If any, at all, believes in religion, wants to do and practise religion, then compassion which is same, across all beliefs, that, such be interested in

LordVoldermort:
uhh you have to be so confusing why won't you say it's metaphorical

There is a time and plae to say that
besides, you havent answered me, when I asked you, what you meant by:
"So it's metaphorical?"

LordVoldermort:
The snake was possessed by Satan yet god cursed the snake?

Correctly put, God cursed the serpent.
What the snake, as we see it, is the aftermath of the curse meted to the serpent

LordVoldermort:
Well the serpent wasn't a real serpent it was merely a representation of Satan

The serpent was a real serpent
and one, who allowed itself to be possessed, embodied and influenced by a representation of Satan

LordVoldermort:
So it's metaphorical?

What is metaphorical?

LordVoldermort:
So the serpent is Satan?

Join the dots, and you tell me

LordVoldermort:
He said man is made from dust (you said it too)

Yes, I did
and based on the knowledge that the decomposition of the man ends up being dust
As a matter of fact and FYI, Adam's name means clay, as in, composed from/with clay (i.e. dust)

LordVoldermort:
he's trying to say that Snakes eat men

Be alert, be reflective,
because your enemy Satan roars like a lion
and is walking and seeking whom he may devour.
- 1 Peter 5:8

I think he made a mistype and/or misspeak
Correctly, it is the serpent whom was said "dust you will eat, all the days of your life" and not snake or snakes
Dust in that statement, clearly is man, and eat, clearly is devour

Man's number 1 enemy, besides himself, is the serpent
The serpent, is after one thing, and it's the one thing so important to man and man's eternity
There are forces, for and against, this important thing
The forces, will do anything it will take, to save or steal, kill and destroy it

The serpent heartily eats and keeps the soul as souvenir

fellowman:
I didn't say made up of dust, read what I said.
God made man from the dust; and when his body dies it decomposes and turns again to dust. (Genesis 3:19)

LordVoldermort:
How many snakes eat man?

Where and how, LordVoldermort, if I may ask,
have you got the idea, that snakes eat man
or the notion where snakes were said will eat man?