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bloodofthelamb:
Yes.
I said "yes" because someone who has not the holy Spirit of Jesus can fake to have those fruits and gift but not for too long.

"Soon the pretense will end, and the cat will be let out of the bag"

How long is not too long?
1 months, 3 months, 6 months, 12 months, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 30 years, a lifetime?
Is it possible there is no pretense, but such have the genuine and real fruit and gifts
Bit of correction, though, we both know its fruit, singular and not fruits, plural

Emmanystone:
Am here sir.

Get the ID whose moniker I wont mention to come say and explain in details why him/her isnt a christian
Dont let him/her off lightly, with feeble and ordinary responses, like the tag "Christian" wasn't used by Jesus, the disciples or early believers
Acts 15 ko, Acts 15 ni

budaatum:
The "sphere of influence" I meant was not yours.
It was said by someone else.
If you wrote it too, I am afraid I missed it.

Previous page, last post and the very bottom?

And also at another thread here below before the one on this thread's previous page:
https://www.nairaland.com/4357359/what-god/1#65265961

Emmanystone:
I don't really care who or what you are.
That's is for you concern yourself with.
Am facing my Op now.

You should ask whoever on this thread, that has said he/she isnt a christian
Do not take, just the feeble and ordinary response, that the tag "Christian" wasn't used by Jesus, the disciples or early believers
Emmanystone, reel in, and get back in here, whoever it is, on this thread that said so, to come explain himself/herself in details, why

budaatum:
Me too agrees
Below is the Fruits of the Spirit off a different tree. Some would claim it was fertilised different.
1. Love
2. Courage
3. Patience
4. Peacefulness
5. Magnanimity
6. Goodness
7. Faithfulness
8. Gentleness
9. Selflessness
10. Self-control
11. Self sacrifice
12. Truthfulness
13. Righteousness
14. Justice
15. Mercy
16. Gracefulness
17. Humility
18. Empathy
19. Sympathy
20. Spiritual knowledge
21. Moral Values
22. Spiritual Wisdom
23. The fear of God
24. Faith or Believe or Hope

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Whilst trying to seize a chance
to plug the thread you opened
you have conflated gifts with fruits.

bloodofthelamb:
The of content is correct...
All what is listed there is true and must be seen in someone that is truly possessed by Him.

Can some of budaatum's 24 be seen in someone not truly "possessed" by Him

budaatum:
John 6

“This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”‎‎‎
‎
If his disciples said that, it should come as no surprise that we have some amongst us who constantly demand for evidence and proof.
Miracles, or what someone recently referred to as his "Sphere of influence", does not seem to be enough.

You misundertood me, when I wrote:
"You're right, because we live in a world of fantasy and reality,
we have gods, that are human constructs,
Meanwhile other gods, are just as like, all God is about,
only that, these other gods, due to their essence(s), have their authority limited to each own's sphere of influence"
- © Muttleylaff

What I meant to say, was "circle of influence" and not "sphere of influence"
so anywhere you've read me say "sphere of influence", I actually am saying, "circle of influence"

The authority, the power, control or right a drink of liquor has over the drinker is limited to the drink's circle of influence
Drinking liquor wont make one sprout flowers on the head.
Why, because liquor hasnt got the authority nor wasnt given the authority to do so

The many disciples who turned their backs, no longer walking with Jesus and so leaving Him,
did so because they allowed their circle of concern increase at the expense of a decreased circle of influence

Jesus faced the Twelve and asked them:
"Do you want to leave too?"

Simon Peter replied:
"Lord, to whom would we go?
You have the words of eternal life.
We believe and know that You are the Holy One of God"

budaatum:
However, I would propose that Jesus was not asking them to believe in him because of the miracles he had performed.‎
He sure was not asking them to believe in the miracles themselves, for it does not seem they doubted much that he had actually performed them.
Nor could he have been asking them to believe that when they ate the bread he gave them, that he had cut off some of his flesh and fed it to them.
It was they, after all, who had brought the bread to him, and I feel they would know the difference between bread and raw flesh. ‎
Were they ‎baulking at the idea that God had sent him, or that he had seen the Father perhaps? ‎ ‎‎
‎
‎Jesus meant way more than what is seemed on the surface.
For the words he spoke "are full of the Spirit‎ and life”‎,
and he should therefore be understood in a way that imbues every word with "Spirit‎ and life‎".
After all, if it were as simple as just "believing",
those who witnessed him performing wonders could hardly have claimed it were "hard teachings", or ask, "who can accept it?"

It would be hard for a fish to swim beautifully without grace
It will be, hard flying, for a bird to fly beautifully without grace

Those who witnessed him performing wonders but still turned their backs, no longer walked with Jesus and so left Him
because the "hard teachings" circle of concern, in the presence of negative energy got magnified and became bigger than their circle of influence

Notice the name order was, Simon Peter. Simon mentioned first, before Peter.
Unsteady before Steady, though being Unsteady Steady, he still managed to say the right thing

budaatum:
With that in mind do I therefore ask,
What, exactly, is God's work?‎
‎
Enjoy the week.

The work done in God's name is God's work
Works that the Father has given out to accomplish is God's work
Enjoy the week too

budaatum:
John 5
Does His Word Dwell In You‎?

Yes‎‎
‎

budaatum:
D‎o you have the love of God in your hearts‎?

Yes
‎

budaatum:
And, my question, to make up a third is:
‎
What is ‎the love of God?

God‎

budaatum:
Yes I am familiar with it. And can agree with it depending on how it is meant.
Teaching of the literal facts of a matter, or a non-literal idea.

Two days ago, my friend took me for a spin in his car driving on the autobahn, as slow as a snail
so yesterday, to show him how to properly drive a high performance car, we swapped seats
and headed for same autobahn, flying down it
Today, in similar car, I drove, doing 20 miles per hour, in built up areas

We must do the same, when we read the Bible, know "teaching of literal fact of a matter" aside "non-literal idea"

budaatum:
Take for instance, the first Chapter of the Bible.
It describes a good plan for when embarking on a project.
You go step by step, assessing the terrain, planning out what you wish to accomplish

You're correct that the first and second Chapter of the Bible are synoptic biblical stories of creation
(i.e. expressing a general view of how the world came about)
Both shows a GOOD PLAN PROJECT done in a careful step by step and orderly process
by an Intelligent, Presence, Power, Force, Existence, Influence with Authority and Knowledge

budaatum:
executing each step of your plan then assessing if it is adequate before building on top of it until the last brick is laid

IV&V (i.e. Independent Verification and Validation) is assessing if the starting point, is adequate before building on top until last brick is laid
That is why and how the Tree of Life and The tree of knowledge of Good and Evil are side by side, centrally and openly placed
as necessary for the starting point
After all, moment of choice, is a moment of truth.
Moment of truth to see, whether or not, the starting point is adequate before building on top of it until the last brick is laid

budaatum:
But as a narative for how the world came about?
It sucks.

I disconcur with the remark, that narrative for how the world came about sucks
Naija local parlance will say:
''Ti a ba bu ounjẹ, sinu epo ẹpa, ẹni ma jẹun yo, a yo"
loosely means
''Even if and when food is served, in teeny weeny groundnut pods, diners, who'll eat, enjoy the food and be full, will be''

There is enough information in the teeny weeny groundnut pod narrative to fill your boots with

So reiterating, the first and second Chapter of the Bible are just synoptic biblical stories of creation
(i.e. general view of how the world came about)
There is plenty to go around and enough for everyone.
You just have to make sure you have your feel and fill of it.

orisa37:
Olodumare is the oldest of them all.

Olodumare, really, isnt in the thread's topic or subject matter of discussion yet
but since you're trying to pass on a point too,
like another moniker, earlier tried interjecting Olodumare into this "DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older?" thread
then please share with all, what to your understanding, the proper meaning of "Olodumare" is
and let's all see together, whether:

1/ Olodumare is older than YHWH and/or Enki
2/ Olodumare is younger than YHWH and/or Enki
3/ Olodumare is same age as YHWH and/or Enki
4/ Olodumare is same as Enki
5/ Olodumare is same as YHWH
6/ Olodumare is not same as YHWH and/or Enki
7/ Olodumare is everything that YHWH is
8/ Olodumare is everything that Enki is
9/ There are things Olodumare is, that Enki isnt
10/ There are things Olodumare is, that YHWH isnt

orisa37, please dont do like the earlier moniker did,
dont give just Olodumare signposts without a narrative properly explaining, giving understanding and insights to the meaning of "Olodumare"

ifenes:
I’m only getting started. I will first tell the story of the Anunnaki as the Sumerian tablet put and then I will go for the kill.
I will tell you how the Anunnaki inspired kingship, hierarchy all over the planet.
Enlil (the cancer star signed god of the Jew), Enki the African deities god, how our educational system is linked etc.
Don’t worry
you will read enough
as long as the powers that be
do not close down this thread
I have the gym, got few stuff to do before I resume.
Stay tuned

Very soon now,
I'll pour out my burning anger on you.
I'll complete expressing my anger at you,
judge you according to your behavior,
and repay you for all your detestable practices.
- Ezekiel 7:8

The god of Nairaland is a jealous god. Kikikiki

budaatum:
Please ignore the arguments and calls to justify what you post.
Do not allow yourself to be derailed.

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BushWickBill:
Thank you for the subtle put down.

My kettle of fish doesn't make you understand what I encountered as a worker.

Your "humble" opinion is sacred to you.

Sorry for trying to correct an impression, especially one that was formed from afar. My experience at close quarters isn't enough for you. You still want to hold onto your"humble opinion" so as not to be seen as wanting.

If I ask you to find out if my assertion about workers tithing is true from workers who are still there you will insult me again. So I will allow you and your ego to be.
It is people like you and their attitude that drove me out of the church:
people whose pride is paramount;
who can't climb down from a position and admit they may not be right in spite of the facts on ground.
You did not counter the fact that Bishop took a Sunday in each month to pray for tithers-a subtle way of coercion into tithe paying.
You decided to call it my kettle of fish.

That one, plus the insensitivity and hypocrisy in organised church, which funnily enough, actually is just a glorified social club

Imagine two ladies I know who go to different branches of one these big Penterascal churches, always having to reach out, not to their regular fellow worshippers
but to outsiders for assistance with last minute child minding issues, or car breakdown help.

I always wonder why these two ladies, don't call on their over 100 local church members for child minding or car breakdown assistance but always first and only call on others

BushWickBill:
Please let this needless debate end here. I have better things than indulging in this pettiness.

Good day

More groundnut oil to your elbow

budaatum:
They don't have to "believe" to "know" about a thing!

True, true, true that, true that one.
I don't believe in centaurs,
but I sure do know, about that half-man half-horse beast of a thing

So you are the eminent one, who worships Enuma Elish then?

Emmanystone:
Pls read the Op sir, it says present your points here not direct anyone to read a book?

You have read Enuma Elish, what does it say concerning my query?

Remember my quest is to know which came first,
1. The creation of the Universe according to Epic of Gilgamesh
OR
2. The Genesis account according to Moses?

PRESENT YOUR POINTS why do believe what you believe.
Pls no link.
And NO derailing of the thread.

budaatum:
And yet, you refused to acknowledge the very first point of contention in you post, which is whether Moses wrote Genesis in the first place!

The second is to ask why one believes what one believes. By that statement alone, you are emotionally setting up a comparison between "religious beliefs" and "what one knows". There is after all, verifiable evidence
But there you are saying "no links", without realising perhaps that you mean "no evidence please".
But that's no surprise, since you asked for "what you believe" to begin with

"No links" actually means no sign-posting only.
As in, make your points and then if necessary, augment it with whatever reference links you may have

Or drop your link,
but better make sure you show the lots of meat, you've carved off this bone, you've first dangled out for all to see.

No lazy and cutting corners manoeuvres posting

Emmanystone:
I can safely assure you that we have one on NL who worships or holds the Enuma Elish as the book of their god

Who is the one?
Let the one come into the open, to directly and publicly admit the worship OF Enuma Elish here

budaatum:
Indeed Emmanystone, why are you behaving this way? What is the problem?

"What's your problem or what is the problem" must look déjà vu for isnt it friend
Why some give in, to having to resort to that phrase beats me.

budaatum:
Does Au, whatever that is, have to have done anything for anyone for us to discover which historically was first created? Does every discussion have to be about personal experiences?

Please clear the air on what you mean by the below then.
I've got it here reproduced verbatim, exactly just as you wrote it:
"To you others who have something to share, please go on.
There are some of us sitting silently at the back ignoring the chaff and learning from you"

OkCornel:
So wikipedia is now nonsense or what? I have put in a standard definition of Olodumare that everyone can relate with... is there any problem with that?
Did it occur to you that I put a link to wikipedia there? at least it shows I am not plagiarizing anyone's work...

You're doing a straw man now
and completely going off the handle
It's all good, it's alright.

OkCornel:
Anyways, how is this different from someone quoting Bible verses to explain their understanding of God to me?
Are they also regurgitating?

Since you asked, I'll tell you the difference.
People make their points and then back it up with bible references
Or provide bible references, followed with making their points.
Not straight up sign-posting
and just pointing others to, hey go there

OkCornel:
Emmanystone asked me some questions which I answered...and you interjected that I am sign posting...
When has answering one's questions become an offense for goodness sake?

Don't worry OkCornel, I've just added yours, to list of IDS I don't respond to nor mention.

You now can breathe a sigh of relief that I wouldn't henceforth mention your ID nor respond again to posts you make.

It's nothing personal, just that it's the best action I can think for both out sakes.
It has been nice discussing and learning from you.

OkCornel:
In simple English...what is sign-posting

I asked you about YOUR understanding of the PROPER meaning of Olodumare
and look at what you provided.
Can't even put in your own words
except for regurgitating Wikipedia and giving another sign-post. SMH

OkCornel:
I am yet to recover from the merism wahala on another thread...

That merism was no wahala,
But was good exercise for you, at least your muscles got flexed.
You've now gotten used to weights you haven't lifted before

OkCornel:
I post my messages in response to Emmanystone... it becomes sign posting palaver...

Bros, don't tell me you didn't read Emmanystone say no to sign-posting

OkCornel:
Bros... I don't know what more you want from me...my blood?

You must have mistaken me for Count Dracula

OkCornel:
It seems you have all the answers to Emmanystone's questions...
therefore, there's no point in anyone else contributing here...
Enjoy yourself

Who do you think, has been liking your post?
When I see valid points in them, I like them
and when not, is when, you hear me breathing down your neck.
I expect you do same to me, if or when I veer off too.

...so brother, if you like and want to stop contributing, then feel free to leave and go enjoy, as you take the easy way out

Emmanystone:
Pls don't be a pretender, it's very bad representation for anyone claiming to have the spirit of truth.

I can't remember how many times i have said, let's leave their names and focus on their Acts, but you ignore that. You won't even mention their Acts, but want to distract by all means by dwelling on names.

BTW, without their names you can worship a wrong deity because they claim to be God. Every deity has a name. The LORD says his name is Jehovah, why do you want to over look that? Is that because you want to serve a different god but call it Jehovah?

Why are you bent on sidestepping their names anyway?
I smell something

OkCornel:
And if I tell you God Almighty is Olodumare or Abasi...how does that change anything?

What if you tell that God Almighty, in other words and language El Shaddai, is Olodumare?

Now, since you're trying to pass on a point, please share with all, what to your understanding the proper meaning of "Olodumare" is
and let's all see together, whether or not it changes anything

OkCornel:
Good point... but Demons were also God's creation...does it make God evil as well?
What makes Anu a Demon...because Ishtar is his daughter? Sounds like fairy tale to me though... I need another point on Anu precisely...

Try reading up this book as well

The Elohim
They walked as men...

It tells a lot about these ancient religions and the fallen angels that set them up...

OkCornel:
Read up the Book of Enoch... The book of Jude made references to it...

Also read up the book of Jasher... The book of Joshua made reference to it...

These are just the basics of the extra-biblical sources..

Please quit all this sign-posting palaver.
Just go ahead, make your points
and then give your references

butterflylion:
I have one very big needle like that which would puncture this balloon you are blowing up.
Just one needle o, not two or one and half.
Let's see your story get to the point where this needle would be brought out.
Reserving this space!

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I know
it doesnt have to be that very big
to puncture the joke balloon
but hey, what do I know

butterflylion:
Una still dry for this matter? One ife like that huffed and puffed as if he wanted to blow the house down and then he stomped off.

I expected to much from him but he was an anticlimax. So besides him I see nobody else who is willing to step to the plate.
Very disappointing quite frankly.

I saw the thread he, at around 2:00 AM today opened.
You know when reading it, it was so just ridiculous, I SMH and went like "what a funny joke..."

Emmanystone:
Pls read the Op sir, it says present your points here not direct anyone to read a book?

You have read Enuma Elish, what does it say concerning my query?

Remember my quest is to know which came first,
1. The creation of the Universe according to Epic of Gilgamesh
OR
2. The Genesis account according to Moses?

You have milked the poem, Epic of Gilgamesh cow, milked The Seven Tablets of Creation myth Enuma Elish cow et al
Where is the cheese, you've made from all the milk?

Emmanystone:
PRESENT YOUR POINTS why do believe what you believe.

Pls no link. And. O derailing of the thread.

I prefer people presenting their points,
why they do believe, what they believe
instead of blatantly resorting to links
and especially posting articles authored or uploaded on the internet by someone else and not them

Gayjesus:
What is the point of this thread if you guys feel you already know it all.
To learn you need to be empty.

No wonder billionaire did not bother commenting

Asking where is Enki now, where is your god now too

I don't think you need to be a detective to figure out where God is, now
Reiterating, God, whom you, whether you acknowledge Him or not, is right now, holding things down.
It's down to His authority, His influence, His power, His intelligence, His knowledge, that you're still breathing and alive on this side of eternity and not given up as toast

God, right now, is waiting to have a relationship with you
You dont need to be, dont have to be in that relationshit, you're currently and right now revelling in

Emmanystone:
Jesus is here changing lives and transforming destinies.
If i don't know for others, i know for myself.

You believe in Anu, what has he done for you?
I can begin to count what YHWH has done for me and people around me

I bet you can Sis.
It isnt just for you and people around you alone though
but what He's done for the whole wide world and for every single person
by determinedly having the pre-Adamic status quo straightened out.

OkCornel:
Food for thought...

Yahweh revealed Himself to the Hebrews such as Jacob, Moses, Abraham...e.t.c.

If this same God revealed Himself to an Indian man...or an Arabic man, would they record the name as Yahweh OR rather document the meaning of Yahweh in their mother tongue?

Emmanystone:
So YHWH will reveal himself to indians as Shiva instead of YHWH?
This is the thing.

The thing tire me ooo
I've already told him that, if he had given responses to my earlier FIVE questions, he would have seen my answer to the question, in his responses.

Anyway, I've answered that they would, and so the latter
and it will have the essence, substance and panache of what the tetragrammaton is and all about.
Seen that I've answered his question,
I hope he is now happy to return

budaatum:
You began this thread by asking a question which many could learn from.
Now you've unfortunately steered it into a my god is bigger than your god thread, totally ignoring the evidence presented.
Its a pity.
Do you really think those with knowledge of Anu on here worship and pray to Anu?

Is the emboldened because worship and prayers to Anu are anathema to Anu?
If Yes, explain why those with knowledge of Anu on here cant and dont worship and pray to Anu.
If No, then explain why and when, if at all, those with knowledge of Anu worship and pray to Anu then

budaatum:
To you & others who have something to share, please go on.
There are some of us sitting silently at the back ignoring the chaff and learning from you.

Lets get things straight first before starting to showcase things, we have, to share
Are you then, saying you have some thing(s) too, to share or could share, that Au, has done for you and/or others?

OkCornel:
And what exactly did I do to deviate from this thread's discussion?

Anyways, y'all can have fun. If this was my agenda...then I wonder why I was invited to the thread in the first place...

Don't be like that.
OK, I am sorry, please come back.
Sword is sheathed
Your useful information and valuable contribution is needed and will be missed if you stop participating on the thread

OkCornel:
Food for thought...

Yahweh revealed Himself to the Hebrews such as Jacob, Moses, Abraham...e.t.c.

We've gone through with this remark of yours, being incorrect, in terms of He didn't reveal Himself to Abraham or Jacob as Yahweh.
Haven't we?

OkCornel:
If this same God revealed Himself to an Indian man...or an Arabic man, would they record the name as Yahweh OR rather document the meaning of Yahweh in their mother tongue?

They would, the latter
and it will have the essence, substance and panache of what the tetragrammaton is and all about.
Seen that I've answered your question,
ARE YOU NOW HAPPY?

OkCornel:
I went back and forth with Emmanystone on this... for example, who is Olodumare to the Yorubas or Chukwu to the Ibos?

Who is Olodumare to the Yorubas
or Chukwu to the Ibos is neither here nor there because we aren't talking of Olodumare nor Chukwu but about the tetragrammaton Yahweh or YHWH, what it's about and means.

OkCornel:
Don't be a conspiracy theorist.... what exactly is my agenda? Say it out loud since you can read my mind...

I am waiting for your accusations...

Your agenda to deviate from the remit of the thread's discussion

OkCornel:
Bros, I asked a question to get direct answers...not to get questions in return...

If you have the answers to the question you asked me...why ask me in the first place? to prove what exactly?

Let's start all over again

Oya, rewind and playback, what is the question?

OkCornel:
You answered my question with 5 questions...and you think its proper to answer yours first...

I've already told you that, if you had given responses to those FIVE questions, you would have seen my answer to the question, in your responses.

OkCornel:
ride on... If you are looking for someone to argue with, there are other people on this thread...I have made my point clear...

Oh yes, you have other people on this thread, who would permit you to push your agenda on

OkCornel:
oh and yes,
I made an error on Exodus 6 v 3;
He did reveal Himself to Abraham and the others
but not with the name Jehovah...

Oh well.
Had to literally, get your arm twisted behind your back for you to see that. Isn't it?

OkCornel:
ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
By the way, how does this invalidate what I have been saying all this while?

No, I am not happy now
I won't be until you answer those FIVE questions
but you wouldn't because you know you'll tie yourself in knots

OkCornel:
I asked you a question which you never answered before firing back with 5 of yours...

You see what happens when one cuts off the nose to spite the face
If you had given responses to those FIVE questions, you would have seen my answer in your responses.

OkCornel:
Do well to go back and reply it... And please what is HULAL?

By now, after reading the immediate above, you its you who needs to do well and go back to the five earlier questions.

Do the hard work
and heavy lifting yourself, about what HULAL is
and about what Genesis 4:26 correctly interpreted, means or is all about

OkCornel:
I pointed out something to you in Exodus 6 v 3; God revealed Himself as Jehovah to Abraham and His lineage...

Is that really what God said in Exodus 6:3 about Abraham to Moses?
Now, you'll whinge that someone is impatient with someone else who ought to know better

OkCornel:
Then tell me, what name Adam and his lineage before Abraham called God by... Jehovah or YHWH? If yes, please refer me to a Bible verse where Adam to Enos called God by these names...

Not the tetragrammaton,
so neither Jehovah or YHWH.

OkCornel:
It seems you are not patient enough to get the message I am passing across...

I am patient, and very patient enough to see that the message you are passing across is premature if not distracting to what the tetragrammaton Yahweh or YHWH, the subject of this discussion is

OkCornel:
God is not a God of the Hebrews or Christians alone...He is the Creator of all

God, whether acknowledged or not, doesnt minimise or nullifies God being God of everybody and all things

OkCornel:
and chooses to reveal Himself to whomever He deems fit...

The LORD answered: All right. I am the LORD,
and I show mercy and kindness to anyone I choose
I will let you see my glory and hear my holy name,
- Exodus 33:19
You see Exodus 33:19 above, that you aren't saying anything that isn't in public domain

OkCornel:
In addition to Job 32 v 8; read up Genesis 4 v 26;

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord

If you know what "hulal" means you wouldn't quote this verse and quote it with the intention of misinterpreting it too.

OkCornel:
Before YHWH was known in name, men worshipped and knew God...
I have read Exodus 6 v 3 you have been brandishing in my face,
now answer my question, before Abraham...please tell us the name God revealed Himself to right from Adam to the days of Enos...is there a name anywhere?

Yes, but by now, I think you're about beginning to understand why God only offered the tetragrammaton Yahweh or YHWH as being enough

OkCornel:
It's irritating when someone tries to make a point and you see it as pointless and meaningless or as escaping your questions. Calm down and see things from the other person's point of view. I am not here to argue needlessly biko...

Let me correct you on what could b irritating, personal agenda, to change the remit of the discussion.
What can be irritating, is dodging answering questions and putting forward points first before answering same questions

And for the records, deal with me separately from Gayjesus or anyone else![/quote]I am dealing with you squarely, directly and only.
Gayjesus came in to our healthy dialogue and conversation because his laughing seemed to have rubbed off on you

Now, please stop putting the cart before the horse, start answering questions and then you, afterwards can go ahead, making your point(s)

OkCornel:
Like I mentioned earlier,
try not to get lost in the labels and names.
Playing the name and religion game profits no one here...

What the #$£¥¤¿%¤±?
SMH, like I mentioned earlier, were you not warned as I envisaged you would, not to try evade answering the five questions?

You must be having a laugh. I think Gayjesus laugh must be catching on.

Tell, was it me, who instigated or chose the tetragrammaton Yahweh or YHWH "label"?

OkCornel:
There was something Elihu mentioned to Job and his other friends which you should take note of in Job 32 v 8;
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

You keep going down a detour road,
and continually harping about Elihu and Job.

I will now rein you in and back to Exodus 6:3.
Rein you back to the same Exodus 6:3, that you're behaving like a long oil tanker making a slow u-turn on a busy road with.

Now, without your further questions ducking, compare Job 32:8 with Exodus 6:3 and tell what you see common about how God is known, in both verses to Abraham, Isaac & Jacob and Elihu & Job?

OkCornel:
God has been talking to and revealing Himself to men and not just the Jews alone right from the ancient times...

That's the point I'm making here...

The point is you are yet to make any tangible and connectable point, that's in relation to the tetragrammaton Yahweh or YHWH
Please just answer the earlier five questions.

OkCornel:
Food for thought...

Yahweh revealed Himself to the Hebrews such as Jacob, Moses, Abraham...e.t.c.

If this same God revealed Himself to an Indian man...or an Arabic man, would they record the name as Yahweh OR rather document the meaning of Yahweh in their mother tongue?

"Food for thought" questions and/or explainings to do:

#1) It 'll be great, you explain what name Yahweh revealed Himself as, to the Hebrews, in particular, such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

#2) Then, convincingly explain the meaning and implication of Exodus 6:3
Why did God, literally, in Exodus 6:3 say:
"by My name, YHWH or Yahweh, not did I reveal Myself to them"

#3) Now, explain from your understanding what the tetragrammaton, YHWH or Yahweh, explain means?

#4) OK, to what end and purpose, is this same God, differently, revealing Himself, with another name, to the Indian man... or an Arab...?

#5) About "meaning of Yahweh in their mother tongue",
please explain and give a list of the other names in their mother tongues, revealed to "the Indian man... or an Arab..."
that carries same substance, reality and panache in meaning, as the name, Yahweh or YHWH, does

PS: Please, no half hearted and/or ineffectual five answered responses
and no evasions or sidestepping any of the five questions