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twosquare:
Still the same answer, participation and watching.... Same thing.... Not allowed.

Jesus wouldnt have a problem stepping into Big Brother Naija

FerrytimCharis:
Happy First Sunday of the Month of February Friends.
Well, its no longer news that Big Brother Naija has started. I believe its a Reality TV show with lots of "twists" and "fun" according to the organisers with a whooping sum of N45 million naira to be won.
Now, with all the baseless and irrelevant kissing and romance done in the Big Brother House including the Social Media Attention and Buzz.
Here comes the question,
Can a Believer participate
and watch BBN?

twosquare:
He said is it proper for a Christian to watch such?
It doesn't even relate to what you are saying.
He who has partake of holy things do not eat of things that defileth.

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It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you;
you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."
- Matthew 15:11

TomHagen:
Lol.
We feel pain because of sensory receptors connected to the brain and spinal cord (nociceptors).
Their function is to alert us to the presence of potentially damaging stimulus.
There are cases of people who have their nociceptive receptors damaged and so cannot feel pain.

Face-palm. SMH

TomHagen:
What you are saying is that Adam and Eve did not have these receptors
but developed them immediately after the first bite off the apple right?
Or is it pawpaw that they ate?

SMH.
Pay attention to my posts' content and details in it/them

TomHagen:
Either that
or they had bulletproof and injury-proof skins
which made it unnecessary for them to need pain receptors

Wow, was that a real or a bit of a fluke epiphany thing going on there for you

You're not just starting to learn,
but you're learning pretty fast
I dont mean that to be patronising, in any way, shape or form. It's just an observation

Well, it is all right, calling it "bulletproof and injury-proof skins" is something I can get used to, as opposed to "glorious clothing",

TomHagen:
So which was it?

Reiterating, pain, in fact, was dormant and not active before the eating of the fruit
Pain, death, adversity, the beautiful, the good, the bad and the ugly, the whole shebang, came in to effect, after the loss of the glorious clothing
Oopsy daisy, you prefer "bulletproof and injury-proof skins", dont cha

FerrytimCharis:
Happy First Sunday of the Month of February Friends.
Well, its no longer news that Big Brother Naija has started.
I believe its a Reality TV show with lots of "twists" and "fun" according to the organisers with a whooping sum of N45 million naira to be won.
Now, with all the baseless and irrelevant kissing and romance done in the Big Brother House including the Social Media Attention and Buzz.
Here comes the question,
Can a Believer participate

Let me ask you this.
What would you do if you had 100 sheep and one of them wandered off to Big Brother Naija?
Wouldn't you leave the 99 on the hillside and go look for the one that had wandered away to Big Brother Naija?
- Matthew 18:12

FerrytimCharis:
and watch BBN?

If wouldnt be polluted by it.
Why not?

twosquare:
Philippians 4:8

And he said unto them,
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
- Mark 16:15

Big Brother Naija isnt exempted from the world commanded to go into

asuustrike2009:
The answer is no.
The scripture backing to this is found in 1 John 2:15-17

"Suppose a man has 100 sheep and loses one of them.
Doesn't he leave the 99 sheep grazing in the pasture and look for the lost sheep until he finds it?
- Luke 15:4

If it is Big Brother Naija, the lost sheep wandered to, then Big Brother Naija it is, to go on to and look for the lost sheep

TomHagen:
Are you saying all forms of pain are a result of the original curse?

Yes.
Pain, whatever the form or genre,
whether it is emotional pain/torment, physical pain, the pain of loss etcetera
fundamentally, is part of the result of the original curse

TomHagen:
I ask
because the pain threshold differences among people apply to all forms of pain and not birth pain alone.

Exactly,
and more the reason, why I gave the illustrations about each feeling pain differently,
which is why, some faint, at a mere sight of a hypodermic syringe or needle, whilst some take same injection, without batting an eyelid
and why, some undergo eye surgery needing the benefit of an anesthesia to induce temporary loss of sensation or awareness and some dont.

Pain, in fact, was dormant and not active before eating of the fruit
Pain, the whole shebang, came in to effect, after the loss of the glorious clothing

miqos02:
Cool
Papa u forgot to inform us that you spent some money to pay doctors who treated her

Nothing wrong with that.
Doctors play their part, you play your prayer and faith part, and the healing, the rest or outcome is down to God

JudgementHammer:
Haba. D elderly woman actually meant since d time she pasted d sticker on her gas cylinder, help and support has been coming up to her.
Her children and helpers have been taking up the refill expenses, not her anymore.

I'm not a member of chosen
but don't bastardize the miracle that someone else values and is thanking God for, just to make money thru comedy

I completely concur with the above emboldened voice of sound reasoning post

JudgementHammer:
That muttybabe among the fb response has mouth diarrhoea.
Only God knows how many people she has killed with her mouth

That muttybabe was following the herd and so joined in the stampede

darkchild64:
I don't want to be much involved in this argument but it seems I have to be

I mistakenly deleted a more detailed post done in response to the loggerhead going on between NPCcomplete and butterflyl1on

No one calls for justice, and no one pleads his case truthfully.
People trust pointless arguments and speak lies.
They conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
- Isaiah 59:4

darkchild64:
now to all you Christians claiming that the curse was to INCREASE the pain of childbearing now the question becomes

I hold no brief for christians except to only state the truth that:

Eve, soon after the first and original conception (i.e. idea albeit a misconceived one),
experienced her first sorrow (i.e. mental pain or sadness caused by loss and disappointment)

God later on, then affirmed that her sorrow will greatly multiply
this being, there will be an increasingly feeling of mental pain, anguish or sadness caused by loss and disappointment
That her conception will greatly multiply,
this being, an increase in her mental activity or conceived ideas

God also affirmed, that, in sorrow she shall bring forth children
this being, a feeling of mental pain anguish or sadness caused by loss and disappointment,
from realising that her children, are specimen brought forth, falling short of a glory of God, she once knew and was once used to

The widening wheel of sorrow (i.e. disappointment)
and increasingly conception (i.e. conceiving or formulating idea(s)) prophecies didnt have to wait that long to unfold, as predicted by God

The increase in sorrow and conception gradually developed and soon were revealed, when Eve had her first son

The first and original disappointment was the after math of their misadventure in the garden
The second disappointment and conception involved Cain.
Eve did not only birth Cain but also had a conception, formulating an idea, from another mental activity, that she had obtained or possessed a man from God

She was that wrapped up in her conception or pregnated idea about Cain,
that when the second son arrived, she trivialised his birth and called him Abel.

The Abel naming is tantamount to mean, nondescript, nothing or short-lived, as in, just as, dew evaporates after a short while
Another idea albeit misconceived one but unwittingly true, as Cain later attacked his brother Abel and killed him, committing fratricide

The cycle of sorrow (i.e. disappointment) and feeling of mental pain or sadness caused from disappointment
of realising that children, are brought forth, in a fallen state, short of a glory of God
was broken by another woman, known as Mary, at the birth of Jesus Christ

darkchild64:
WHY WAS SUCH PAIN NECESSARY AT THE FIRST PLACE CONSIDERING THAT THEY HAD NOT EATEN THE APPLE

First, it wasnt an apple that was eaten.
Second, pain was dormant and not active or present before eating of the fruit

MrBottle:
Now someone is talking
Well what is the fuse all about then.?

Bet someone will take the bull by the horns to soon tell what really, the fuss is all about

MrBottle:
Jesus didn't form Christianity rather Paul did.

Jesus didn't form Christianity,
and Paul didn't form Christianity rather Constantine did

TomHagen:
My position remains the same

It is excessively conceited, being absorbed in oneself and unbefitting conduct to remain in same position, when faced with stark reality

TomHagen:
You are adjusting your beliefs to align with reality

No.
The state of things, as they actually exist, I reiterate, is that,
everyone and everything shares the effect, result or outcome of the incident that occurred between the trio in the garden.

We feel pain differently,
which is why, some faint, at a mere sight of a hypodermic syringe or needle, whilst some take same injection, without batting an eyelid
and why, some undergo eye surgery needing the benefit of an anesthesia to induce temporary loss of sensation or awareness and some dont.

TomHagen:
Nothing in the Bible suggests that the punishment would not be same for everyone.

The punishment is the same for everyone

The ground, inarguably is accursed
Whatever came out of the ground (i.e. animals)
whatever is made off the ground (i.e. human beings) are subjected to the curse, in varying state of undergoing pain, distress or hardship

None is exempted from the original curse

royalamour:
Damn!

Meaning?

royalamour:
I just tire for una.

What is this remark supposed to mean?

TomHagen:
Lol.
Making things up as usual

Dont have to make things up
just that some cant accept the situation as it is and to deal with it accordingly

TomHagen:
It is normal apologist behaviour to modify their beliefs to tally with present reality

Pay attention to the board, play the board, not the player
On this matter, not an apologist, never being one and not about to be one

TomHagen:
There is nothing in Genesis that remotely suggests that bearers of the curse would be afflicted in varying degrees is there?

It is something that must be accepted and cannot be changed that we all have different and varied degrees of undergoing pain, distress or hardship
Some faint at a mere sight of a hypodermic syringe or needle, whilst some take the jab without batting an eyelid
Some undergo eye surgery without needing the benefit of an anesthesia temporary induced loss of sensation or awareness

TomHagen:
If there's an original curse on the ground then it seems only fair that everyone should bear the brunt of that curse.

Everyone and everything bears the brunt of that curse.

TomHagen:
Why should anyone or any animal escape it?

None escapes it. None escapes anything
Just because the magnitude or intensity could be minimal, low, bearable, as in, to the extent of, not be felt
and so gives the impression there is no pain, distress or hardship, doesnt mean anyone or any animal escape it
Each have varied or different threshold levels

TomHagen:
I'll tell you why
There was no such curse.

You tell wrong, to say that there is and/or was no such curse
The ground, inarguably is accursed
Whatever came out of the ground (i.e. animals)
whatever is made off the ground (i.e. human beings) are subjected to the curse, in varying state of undergoing pain, distress or hardship

royalamour:
You mean they (animals) face the same consequences as humans even if they know nothing about the incident?

Yes.
They share the effect, result or outcome of the incident that occurred between the trio in the garden, they know nothing about.

realmindz:
then I ask, does the death of animals and plants translate to their souls leaving their bodies for judgement

Death in this context, is a dividing line
and in simple terms, means separation.
The soul separates from the spirit and body
The spirit goes back to God, where it came from
and the body goes back to the ground, it was made from
whilst the soul goes to waiting lounge after where it boards a flight, to land at a terminal that ends its temporary stay or journey on earth

realmindz:
then I ask, does the death of animals and plants translate to their souls leaving their bodies for judgement

Plants dont have nephesh (i.e. soul), so arent subjected to judgement as human beings

royalamour:
So sometimes I see animals give birth and they moan and groan as a result of the pains they feel.

It needs to be acknowledged that not all daughters of Eve feel pain at childbirth
just as not all animals moan and groan as a result of the pains seemingly felt when and/or during giving birth

royalamour:
And I start to wonder if they ate the forbidden fruit and was cursed too.

No, they didnt eat of the forbidden fruit

royalamour:
So why do they feel pains like children of Eve?

Simple answer
If at all, they feel pain(s), it is down to the original curse on the ground

The state of undergoing pain, is part of the consequences or after-effects of the unhappy and unpleasant event that happened in the garden

cc charliboy654, hopefulLandlord, CAPSLOCKED, thatNUPEboy, NPComplete, JudgementHammer, enilove, adepeter2027, 1Sharon

profolaolu:
Christianity is not just a religion it is a way of life that is y many religion are borrowing it teachings and mode of practice

Actually, the word "religion" has changed its meaning from originally being benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need.

Are you familiar with the below quote?
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world

This religion cuts right through any manner or all way of life whether it be Christianity, Penterascalism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age, whatnot or etcetera

Yup, compassion
I doubt you've ever asked about someone's belief or unbelief first before showing compassion or giving your compassion?

AnonyNymous:
You'd think that everyone who saw heaven would at least, come back with stories consistent with everyone else's.

Jesse.
Jesse always does have a fascinating way of talking
but I usually chew the straws and spit out his sticks.

Emmanystone:
Freeze should also know that devorcing his wife and having an affiar with a lady who just left her husband is a sin before YHWH whom he claims he is fighting for too nah.

Abi na only money him dey fight against?
Freeze judges YHWH incapable of handling his erring servants, hence he has taken over the fight When the Bible says 'Before Him they fall or stand, and He is able to make them stand'.

This is a case of having a plywood covering his entire face, yet wants to remove a speck from another's eye.

*****Hypocrisy****** Stinks******

OK ooo

Emmanystone:
You are indeed resilient. I like that. But, you didn't need to go through all the stress.

I will, get the actual video, where he mentioned the constitution and the other more things he also said when he talked about Winners Chapel's constitution

BERNIMOORE:
its time to defend what you believe with sound proof

I am an anti tither, but freeze earlier tweeted ''that from kemi olunloyo to stephanie confession,
Ah Nigerian pastors'' with this quote from freeze if its true he lost me on that,
on using the scriptures to expose these pastors..yes freeze takes my nod,
but freeze should not write off all these confession/repentance thing too base on his instinct but rather wait till the last will be heard on this stories

saul was a persecutor of the christ followers before but later changed to become paul apostle of christ,
so lets give people chances and weigh their evidencies rather than condemn them because someone we loved like freeze did.

Freeze is against the modern day or 21st century version of biblical teachers of law, Sadducees and the Pharisees

Emmanystone:
Oh pls bros, don't put yourself through all that stress biko. After a long day, pls just rest your nerves, don't worry.

September 2010
Commissioning of the drafting committee for the making of a constitution/operational manual for the Living Faith church Worldwide

September 7, 2012
Church Constitution:
The MANDATE, operational manual of the church clearly spelling out doctrines
and history of the church as well as administration and succession was commissioned.
Constitution was silent on ordination of new Bishops.

I slept off whilst going through some YouTube videos I suspected is where I heard him mentioned the constitution
I will continue the search when next possible but for now the above excerpts might interest you

PrinceCEE:
I'm normally such a guy that doesn't attach much meaning to dreams and I basically think that dreams connote one's state of mind or the process of the brain going through the day's activities.

But this dream is giving me much concern. Please I need elaborate meaning to the dream.

I had a dream and in the dream, I stopped a bikeman, I was directing him on where I want to go but he was giving me another direction which indicates that he doesn't know where I want him to take me to. The funniest thing was that he was serious with the wrong direction. I told him that I'll look for another bike, as I wanted to leave, he pulled on me by force and insisted that he'll carry me, I just pulled myself off from him and moved a bit forward in wait for another bike.
Another bike came around and I explained same direction to him, he seems not to know the direction, just as the other bikeman. He kept telling me another direction, but I said no. As I said no, another man came along from behind, I thought he wanted to board the bike, the bikeman was insisting he carries me but I said no, as I wanted to move backward to stop another bike, both of them started pulling me by force, where they want to take me to, I don't know. As they were pulling me, I was struggling with them to leave me, I struggled and woke up around 01:24am out of the struggles.

Please I need the meaning...

You're fortunate to remember your dreams, not many do.

If, it is the only one time, you've had this dream, please forget about it and stop looking for interpretation(s)
I said this because it is a one-off dream and not a recurring one

jupiterx:
And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Wow...
Doesn't this go against the OT, about the Ascension of Enoch and Elisha,
And doesn't this go against the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, of which Abraham was said to be in heaven?

So you've believed Enoch and Elijah ascended into heaven. Right?

I know you're aware of the distinction between a parable and reality. Right?

So which of the heavens are you basing your wow upon?

Emmanystone:
Ok.

I can't find it.
It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Statsocial would have known
but he has deactivated his account, just like I knew eventually he would do

I'll give the searching another go though

Sarassin:
Good that you are refreshed, you know I have been there, got the T-shirt,
but the T-shirt didn't fit, but thanks it is the thought that counts.

Well, what can I say. I really do not know too much about this fellow,
but even though I have forgotten most of what I learnt in your scriptures, I seem to remember Matthew 10:25:
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Now, assuming that the Kingdom of God is the aim,
Is it that these characters know something that the rest of us do not know?

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Sarassin becoming to sound like Peter

Emmanystone:
Who stumbled on who?

I did.

I stumbled on him talking about a constitution.

I was watching a YouTube video he featured in, when I heard him make mention of a Winners Chapel constitution and long term plans put on paper

He said something about how long the constitution stands and when next it is due for a review
It's the exact, I don't remember.
I never thought I'll bring it up, so didn't bother sticking it in my head.

Sarassin:
The Winners Chapel constitution is reviewed once every century? well, ain't that fine and dandy!

Don't quote me Sarassin

I actually first typed 10 years but changed it later to 100
To be honest I don't remember how many years he mentioned in the video
but will try for Emmaystone's sake pull up the video

Emmanystone:
Which Video is that Sir?

Ah you wan gif me big assignment be that ooo
I will try and find it as soon as possible when I get back home.
It'll be tough but I will try
I stumbled on him saying it when watching one of his videos I think 3-4 months ago

Sarassin and Emmanystone,
As I mentioned on PastorAIO's "Des Pensees" thread, I remember watching this YouTube video last year
and thinking to myself if the "ministry" had a constitution, "Apostle" David Taylor, wouldnt during the grilling, profusely be relying on Michelle

I stand to be corrected, I think Winners Chapel has a constitution,
which periodically is reviewed, I think every 100 years or so, I once heard Oyedepo say