frosbel2: There is only one KING and he is not JESUS, Jesus was a MAN.
Of course, there is only one KING Of course, as might be expected, Jesus was a MAN
So, in effect, are you saying it is a difficult and impossible thing for God to be MAN, innit? Am I right that you're saying God has no business in being Man, even if He so wish to? Am I right that you're saying, it is dissonant for God to entertain an idea to be MAN or wish to be one and so in effect, saying, at any time "t", God has no right to be MAN?
felixomor: After lying, the guy usually goes low key or will claim his account was hacked
rhektor: And the thread will be so short because their apostle has been bursted if it were about a pastor the thread will be longer than this
If Adeyemi comes out to refute saying tithe had expired and he plans to discontinue as from February the concept of ecclesiastical monitised ten percent tax of members' financial dealings then I can bet my bottom dollar Freeze will the first to come out to admit he misheard and that prayers still need to be done for tithe propagandists and tithe enforcers to see the light to take advantage of a principle of giving which is not only better but is superior and stronger.
Perhaps, that could be the reason why he uploaded the below text on his instagram page
damosky12: I think an ideal Christian thinks about how to take any opportunity to preach Christ to MUSLIMS and BUDDHISTS save them from spiritual death according to Christ's instructions. Alas! Freeze thinks ANY NIGERIAN CHRISTIAN shouldn't think about preaching at all because "all we want is their money".
How is this not antichristian?
MuttleyLaff: What you pay attention to, permits me, to tell you who you are You are still a bit wet behind the ears and that's why you have a real vulgarity in the way you post
God is in the detail. Pay attention to detail For example, you used and said antichristian, but I sidestepped antichristian, used antiChrist and said: "I am yet to hear Freeze utter an antiChrist remark. Yet to see him suggest an antiChrist move"
Have you heard Freeze make an antiChrist remark? Repeat it here then but if you cant list it, then please hold your peace
damosky12: Matthew 24:14 [14]And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mark 16:15 [15]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Freeze said "We have NOTHING to offer the muslims in Dubai or the Buddhists in China! All we want is their money! What blessings can a Nigerian Christian ever preach about to ANYONE? Where are the blessings? where?"
Clearly, any intelligent human being can see how this subtly counters Jesus' instruction to preach the gospel round the world.
In fact, Freeze makes his opinion clear, "what blessing can a Nigerian Christian (including himself?) preach about to anyone?
This thought really isn't about any "hypocrisy in evangelism".
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15
The word hypocrite ultimately came into English from the Greek word hypokrites, which means "an actor" or "a stage player"
The less than 60 seconds long video really is about "Freeze ridiculing the hypocrisy of evangelism that has become a shameless charade"
Do you recognise the voice of who is speaking in Matthew 23:15 above? Observe that, Matthew 23 is the only place in the bible, where & when Jesus ever mentioned tithing The same Matthew chapter 23, with its 7 woe curses in it, is where He warned against hypocrisy
You can't just explain a joke. Either it isn't funny or the audience just totally missed the punchline
You just totally missed the "punchline"
damosky12: I think an ideal Christian thinks about how to take any opportunity to preach Christ to MUSLIMS and BUDDHISTS save them from spiritual death according to Christ's instructions. Alas! Freeze thinks ANY NIGERIAN CHRISTIAN shouldn't think about preaching at all because "all we want is their money".
How is this not antichristian?
What you pay attention to, permits me, to tell you who you are You are still a bit wet behind the ears and that's why you have a real vulgarity in the way you post
God is in the detail. Pay attention to detail For example, you used and said antichristian, but I sidestepped antichristian, used antiChrist and said: "I am yet to hear Freeze utter an antiChrist remark. Yet to see him suggest an antiChrist move"
Have you heard Freeze make an antiChrist remark? Repeat it here then but if you cant list it, then please hold your peace.
Dont be surprised to know some MUSLIMS and BUDDHISTS will be found in the kingdom whilst Christians will be AWOL The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.
damosky12: Acts 4:12 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby* we must be saved.
Jesus said, at the end of His sojourn on earth.
Mark 16: 15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Then Freeze says a Muslim who loves God and his neighbor won't need Jesus Christ to make heaven.
In essence, he says a man doesn't have to receive or believe the gospel of Jesus Christ but just try "love God and his neighbor".
How Christian are these utterances?
SMH, unconscious bias
damosky12: He sees things that needs to be changed indeed. One of those things is Christianity. He really wants to alter it. How would he get the audience of those he seeks to influence if not to camouflage as part of them?
Truth crushed to earth is truth still and like a seed will rise again
Freeze, has just woken up to a few "elephant in the room" topics, that so many posters from the dawn of the day and over the years, in past on Religion section of Nairaland, have extensively written about and discussed
Anyone that consciously or unconsciously does any or all that Jesus taught, preached and/or commanded as entry criteria into the Kingdom will enter it
damosky12: James 1:26-27 King James Version (KJV) 26If ANY MAN AMONG YOU seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. 27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world
Christians are not taught to practice religion. That place you quoted was supposed to be a sharp "uppercut" against those who are keen on ceremonial practices without necessarily being pious.
We are not told to practice that "pure religion". It was to correct that hypocritically religious guy. Selah.
"Christians are not taught to practice religion", did you say? Look up the meaning of compassion in the dictionary
James 1:27 provides useful and interesting information on the type of religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless yet you my dear brother, thump your chest, saying "I know I don't have a religion"
bloodofthelamb: I don't take in all what freeze says... I filter all that comes my way
Every message that is not in line with the grace i have in CHRIST JESUS, i always trash it. Unfortunately, most of our so called "GO" preach such messages
That's exactly how we ought to roll. Munch on the straw but spit out the stick
damosky12: A Christian doesn't just "believe in Yeshua". He believes He isn't just like any ordinary man but God in human flesh who died and rose. The Christian also believes that there is no other way apart from Christ.
A believer believes in Jesus Christ being his Lord and Savior
damosky12: Freeze isn't a Christian. How do I know?
He occasionally insinuates that Christianity isn't the only way to God, while he commends what He calls "other religions" like Islam, Buddhism and the likes. The same guy suggests for the abandonment of evangelism. Not forgetting that all his 'sermons' are channelled at criticizing one Christian doctrine or another, without ever reflecting his supposed commitment to Christ in words or deed.
Freeze is a christian alright and additionally Freeze is ridiculing the hypocrisy of evangelism that has become a shameless charade
damosky12: These traits are clearly antichristian.
I am yet to hear Freeze utter an antiChrist remark Yet to see him suggest an antiChrist move
damosky12: He is only creating the illusion of being a religious person so as to get sympathy from the members of the churches whose leaders he attacks
Freeze is a patriot, who loves his country enough to speak up when he sees things that needs to be changed and I think he knows about James 1:27
The churches whose leaders he attacks are modern day equivalents of biblical Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees
HardMirror: Be sincere with yourself for once. Stop hiding under the excuse and self delusion that all ex christians were never true christians. We are only being honest, faith most times means lying to yourself, i was a christian but can never be again, it is all based on faith, no rationality, no questions, all faith and a sheep like following
You were a christian. Thank God, you can never be a Christian again, being that none of the disciples, apostles and believers ever addressed or called each other christian
HardMirror: What do you know for sure about your religion. Lets start from there
damosky12: I know I don't have a religion. I know I have seen and walked in the supernatural as expressed in scriptures.
I guess we can't start from anywhere. We can't find a meeting point.
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:27
HardMirror: I find it funny that the biggest fans of Daddy Freeze are actually christians, christians who are fed up of the excesses of their church leaders.
What many of daddy freeze's supporters fail to realize is, it goes well beyond critisizing pastors for collecting tithes.
Daddy Freeze is basically questioning everything, a little here and a little there .
Why criticize fasting? Why should daddy freeze support the practice of the bible patriaches sleeping with their maids (slaves)
This is how many of us ex-christians started.
We started asking questions We started being realisic with ourselves
Daddy freeze mocked RCCG's 50 days fasting. Now this is a mile too far for someone who claims to be a Christian. Fasting and prayer is foundamental in christianity and, there is absolutely NO REASON WHY A SO CALLED CHRISTIAN SHOULD MOCK THOSE FASTING AND COMPARE THEM TO AN UNBELIEVER (JEFF BEZOS).
So is daddy freeze really a christian? Or an athiest in making/disguise.
Before you clap for daddy freeze especially if you are a christian or muslim, ask yourself, "what other doctrines or beliefs of yours are false and counter-productive?"
So fasting cant make you rich Definately prayers cant Paying tithes cant
Then how is God useful? What does daddy freeze practice as a christian? Has he investigated the origin of the bible he claims to believe in?
A little here a little there. We are withnessing, the unveiling of a free-thinker.
The time to question all your beliefs has come, it is beyond tithing, this is just the beginning.
This was how i became an atheist.
Freeze, has just woken up to a few "elephant in the room" topics, that so many posters in the dawn of the day and over the years, in past on Religion section of Nairaland, have extensively written about and discussed
Seun: It’s a pity that he would lose his credibility with Christians completely if he became an atheist. Pastors would be like “see? we told you that he was an agent of Satan!” I suspect that he won’t allow himself to lose his faith for this reason. I suspect that he enjoys his platform as the “leader of the free nation in Christ” too much to mess with it.
I think atheists need to challenge Daddy Freeze publicly and get him to respond to some hard questions about his religion.
Seun: He is different. He is a sheep of the Bible and Jesus but not a sheep of pastors and organized religion.
HardMirror is right that people like this often continue to progress towards atheism, but I think the fame that Daddy Freeze has achieved as a Christian reformer will halt this progress
I concur with this statement and the one preceding it Where is that Putin "Give this man a cookie" and the other "bottle of orijin" memes when you need them
Seun: Actually, in the Old Testament, burnt offerings were not offered primarily for the forgiveness of sins. They were offered to please God. When burnt offerings were made, the smell would rise up into the sky where God lived and God would enjoy the smell and bless the person making the sacrifice. For example, when Solomon offered 142,000 animals to God (2 Chronicles 7:5), God was so pleased that He made Solomon the wisest man in the world. To my knowledge, there is no biblical reason why a Christian cannot offer burnt offerings to God just to make God happy and get blessed. In fact, a Christian who gives burnt offerings to God in this day and age should expect unique blessings, because it would be a very unique gift to God, just like Solomon’s 142,000 burnt offerings.
damosky12: The problem with you self acclaimed atheists is the illusion that you know so much. Well, I wouldn't bore you with much exegesis. I'll just post you a clear portion of the scripture that'll help your "knowledge". Hebrews 10:1-10 [1]For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. [2]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3]But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. [4]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. [5]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: [6]In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. [7]Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8]Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; [9]Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. [10]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11God said to Solomon, "Because your greatest desire is to help your people, and you did not ask for wealth, riches, fame, or even the death of your enemies or a long life, but rather you asked for wisdom and knowledge to properly govern my people 12I will certainly give you the wisdom and knowledge you requested. But I will also give you wealth, riches, and fame such as no other king has had before you or will ever have in the future!" - 2 Chronicles 1:12
I disconcur with that statement that God was so pleased that He made Solomon the wisest man in the world because Solomon offered 142,000 animals to God (2 Chronicles 7:5), Solomon was made the wisest man in the world because he got his prayer request priority right and not because of the 142,000 burnt offerings used as part of the completed building of the temple dedication ceremony
You can lie, deny, counter-accuse and act gullible as much as you like
Stop lying to yourself. When we deny a truth, we deny our own potential and thereafter short-change ourselves
Denial is the worst kind of lie because it is the lie you tell yourself The truth cant set you free until you recognize, this lie, is holding you hostage
bingbagbo, most times people like you, are so afraid to answer important questions similar to the three I asked candelahria, not because you fear giving the wrong answers but because you fear the truth
NaijaEfcc: “When there was no response, and upon the return of Mr. President, I personally went and intimated him, and also wrote. The documents are here, I will hand them over to you. I wrote to him on the planned attack by Fulani herdsmen because these threats were on the streets,” Ortom stated.
jumboo: The FG has been inept in handling this crisis but hearing Ortom say he wrote letters is just annoying. So in 6 months he could not see either the VP personally or the president that he kept on writing letters?
Its in black and white that he said personally went and intimated the president nau
dhope: I recently overheard a discussion and was baffled to know if it could be true. my curiosity is borne out of desire to get more understanding and enlightenment on behavior of human spirit. the argument was that "Can someone spirit be summoned consistently in darkness world such as coven to join and operate with other without that person having a knowledge of being there? pls drop ur view if u have understanding of this.
“For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so. - Deuteronomy 18:14
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry... - 1 Samuel 15:23a
Wise people will understand these things. A person with insight will recognize them. The LORD's ways are right. Righteous people live by them. Rebellious people stumble over them. - Hosea 14:9
Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot, who was of the number of the twelve - Luke 22:3
As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, "What you are about to do, do quickly." - John 13:27
Yes, Joagbaje is absolutely right someone can be possesed without knowledge as seen from Luke 22:3 and John 13:27 above
Joagbaje: They may have dreams that reveals such signs but if they are not enlightened they may not know. someone can have spirit of witchcraft and not necessarily be a witch. Demon and witcraft spirit can use the body of someone as a host in a family to afflict others. yet the person may not know
Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing - 2 Peter 2:15
donwhit: If you look at many of the things people do, you will see that the individual acts have no rational or logical purpose. Why do some men rape women or molest children? Why does a serial killer decide to kill dozens of people? Why does a mother decide to drown her children in the bathtub? Why do two groups of people allow hatred to build until is seems like violence is the only solution? Why do people engage in organized crime? Why do people destroy their bodies and minds with drugs, alcohol, tobacco or impure foods? Why do nations engage in the mass hysteria called war? Why do huge companies seek to concentrate money in the hands of a few shareholders by exploiting the workers, when spreading the wealth among the workers would give those companies a greater market? Why does an entire civilization allow a few large companies to pollute its environment and deplete natural resources in order to make a short-term profit, when doing so threatens the long-term survival of both the companies and the civilization? Can someone tell me WHY
Tufiakwa. Typical and predictable remark coming from a gormless person. Some people want to remain ignorant and not think about the truth of the matter because the truth requires change
JMAN05: The problem you have seem to stem from total omniscient you attribute to God. It is better to state that God has the ability to foreknow everything, but God doesn't use this ability ALWAYS
Are you saying God doesn't use the Omniscient ability always? Are you saying God is not always in the know? Are you saying God all the time is not in the knowledge of every thing, thought, action deed etcetera? Excuse my asking the same question thrice over in different words. Have to be sure I am understanding your stance
JMAN05: When God created Adam and Eve, didn't foreknow what they would choose. He left such for them. There is no how we can state that God predestined every human without holding Him accountable for the woes of humanity over the past and pressnt centuries. No way!
How did you arrive at the conclusion emboldened?
JMAN05: It means all of us are just acting out a role, and the evil are punished for doing what they are cloned to perform.
Not. No one is acting out a role. No one is cloned to perform. It means, when a wheel falls off a bicycle, you leave it, until it falters, it's after that and when the needful concerning it gets done
candelahria: It was beautiful. So effortless. I wasn't trying hard to. The words were just flowing from my spirit
1) In what language were the "words" spoken? 2) How often and where regularly do you speak the "language or tongue"? 3) Why do you prefer doing it than anything else in its place?
danvon: Well the topic is 'First time you spoke in a new tongue' can you pray without speaking?
Thumbs up, my brother but you'll have your work cut out for you because people are not ready to know and not prepared to accept that there is a "LIE" in what they've beLIEved "speaking in tongues" to be.
Even praying in the spirit has been misunderstood and made into a caricature
Never underestimate the human capacity to delusion. Deep down some already have come to know the truth but denial's grip on them, is so strong, it's only by the grace and strength of God, that they'll be able to successfully wrestle free themselves from it
petra1: Discussion should be based on the word and topic. No personal attacks.
Where have read any deviation from the word and topic? Where have you read or sensed personal attacks on the thread? We kick the ball, and not in the game to stamp on foots
petra1: what we see here is general condemnation of giving
What we see here is the general lack of will to preach and teach voluntary giving
petra1: Portrayal of a satanic ideology that what christians give is to pastor and not to God. also portrayal of the idea that people give to lose and not to receive. its satanic. Satan tries to desecrate the sacredness of giving which is spiritual oblation. it is wrong to sow such evil idea to christians
What is satanic is sidestepping, over stepping and overlooking the poor and needy, instead giving to already rich people It is wrong to sow ideas to believers that if you dont comply ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving, financial misfortune shall befall them
petra1: everyone communicate differently according to understanding of scripture. the word is clear enough. "NOT BY COMPULSION' we cannot destroy entirety of institution because of the communication of a preacher. someone preach salvation to share Gods love another preach it to warn of Hell . why destroy the ministry of preaching because of the two different way of communication? what we see from fellow believer heroes just that. they violate every word based Gospel principle.
Why dont we use Oshogbo as a faith test case? Teach for about three months, on the principle of giving, bar ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving Teach on caring response to need giving and see how the reliance on ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving, will turn out to have all along been a false idea and/or belief Further see how Yahweh Jirer will provide from voluntary giving
Voluntary giving has no inducement, no baits, no carrots, no fear tactics It simply is, decide in your heart what really excites you to give Don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give
What good are wings without the courage to fly Petra1 do you think Oshogbo can go wrong, with this leap of faith? Petra1 do you think embracing this superior principle of giving is not good enough for Oshogbo? Petra1, be like a tree, let the dead leaves drop
petra1: Jesus and Paul should be guilty then if your guilt and carrot principle
Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
Nothing' is
There is no stick in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 There is no curse, no threat in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 but just plain good old teaching There is no mention in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 of a fixed regular percentage or ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving
erico2k2: So you believe say God Like me Pass you??
No, all I said was, God is in the equation God is in your equation God is in my equation Appreciate, its not by your might, it's not by your power But remember the LORD God, for it is He who gives the ability to produce wealth It is the blessing of the LORD that makes rich, And He adds no sorrow to it. The blessing of the Lord maketh men rich: neither shall affliction be joined to them.
Goodness4525: Chairman u are just very lucky, Nigeria is not a place someone should stay
erico2k2: Guy I nor Lucky, this is where most of you get it wrong, I hustle and made a decision which you too have the right to make. Your destiny is in your own hand.
My guy, chief, you're blessed ni ooo Abeggy no try am ooo, like say, you wan form God no dey inside your equation Na baba God gif you strength, power and the intellect sef to take decide hustle to get good success and fortune ooo Make pesin just to dey pray for answered prayers, say make God bin dey order hin waka about steps for hin ni ooo
damosky12: My brother, the epistles will never mean today what it never meant when it was written. Hebrews 7 only aimed at revealing Jesus as an high priest forever just as Melchizedek. The reference to tithing was not one that teach on the need to tithe but to show how that Levi is "lesser" than this Melchizedek in that he paid tithe in Abraham (verse 5-10). The reference was just in passing.
Giving is clearly taught all through the epistles. But tithing isn't.
We can give 10%, 20%, 30% or more of our earnings but not as tithe. Just giving.
GodsMopol: Hmmmm, well, Kenneth Copeland pays 90 percent of tithe
I think that will be all
damosky12: Tithe differs from giving in the new testament. Tithe, as part of the law, is a commandment. Its a MUST. That's why you call it a debt. You pay it.
Jesus paid all our debts in the new testament. The new testament man is called to liberty. 2 Cor 3:17, Galatians 2:4, 5:1, 5:13.
The New Testament giving isn't fixed or under compulsion. It is done freely and at any percent, whether 5% or 90%. 2Corinth 9:6-7.
petra1: people still need to be taught on the importance of giving.
Then why not do just that? Why do people still need to taught using scaring tactics?
petra1: nobody should be made to give under compulsion.
Why rather than using fear tactics, is it not taught this way?
petra1: teach the word to inspire and leave it there.
At least we agree on this much Teach the word, to inspire, not to cause despair
petra1: at the same time it is error and antichrist to criticise giving
It is error to praise giving that is of any form of imposition It is antichrist to celebrate giving that is demand of which the giver has a choice of abstaining from at the expense of a curse, threat or misfortune
Some giving are redundant, have gone past their "Use-by" date and have fallen off the rungs of giving hierarchy ladder
petra1: the mana which a man gives determine his receiving
When one has arrived at the Promised Land, one ceases to eat manna In local parlance: "Tabati gbọse da, a maa nfi igbẹ lẹ fun agbepo ni. A jawọ lọwọ ewedu ti o yọ, a gbe ọbẹ ila ka ina"
petra1: thats what satan is trying to use the anti church, anti MOGs anti giving movement is trying to destroy in the life of people.
Dont try to give Satan more credit than Satan deserves Why dont we use Oshogbo as a faith test case? Teach for about three months, on the principle of giving, bar ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving Teach on caring response to need giving and see how the reliance on ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving, will turn out to have all along been a false idea and/or belief Further see how Yahweh Jirer will provide from voluntary giving
Voluntary giving has no inducement, no baits, no carrots, no fear tactics It simply is, decide in your heart what really excites you to give Don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give
What good are wings without the courage to fly Petra1, Statsocial do you think Oshogbo/Sango Ota can go wrong, with this leap of faith? Petra1, Statsocial do you think embracing this superior principle of giving is not good enough for Oshogbo/Sango Ota? Petra1, Statsocial, be like a tree, let the dead leaves drop
Statsocial: The same Rome which exchanged money for indulgences abegii. And mind you I have American White Christian Friends who are Tithers, so shift
Goodness4525: Believe me the tithing was introduced to them by ur bible-armed robbers here in naija
His "American White Christian Friends" relatives exported it to Nigerians, and Nigerians had since put it on head like shrimps, after aggrandizing it
Goodness4525: the threat of missing eternity, the illusion of divine curse, the threat of being in abject poverty (tight) are all conjures to scare the gullible
Sometimes the bible in the hand of one man, is worse than a gun in the hand of another