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frosbel2:
You lost me there !

That is probably because you are under an impressive illusion that Japheth sacrificed his daughter, when clearly he didn't do anything of such.

MoR2:
frosbel2 for some who says in the whole scripture i assume you've read the whole scripture.
hope you also read judges 11:29-40.

just saying

anyway God said man should not, God never said He would not.
Man can't God can. expect your saying God isn't soveriegn, God is a man and Him sacrificing His own son is a crime.
and against what law is God bound that makes it a crime.

frosbel2:
He sacrificed his daughter out of his own volition, God never asked him to.

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If you can make such an ill-informed remark like this that Japheth sacrificed his daughter
then you wouldnt know a bunch of sausages from a bunch of bananas

KGBEAST:
Are you Dickdastardly reborn?

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Why you asking?

frosbel2:
But I am not a Christian?

Why dont you like answering back to being called a Christian
By the way, none of the disciples, early belivers called each other or addressed themselves Christians

frosbel2:
?

You quoted new testament scripture that supposedly is derived from the original Jewish scripture
or the 'old testament' as you Christians like to call it.

I only ask that you connect me to those verses.

The suffering servant is Israel, I can give you that
but the suffering servant, as well and equally, is Jesus, that's the reason and why I quoted you Isaiah 53

Play the board, not player(s) please.
I will let christians defend themselves, so desist from any expectations I'll be holding brief for any

Now, reasking, give me this greatly revered list of Jewish authentic scripture then please

frosbel2:
The suffering servant is Israel, not the Christian Roman Jesus - . Besides Jesus had no offspring as this chapter portrays except of course you accept the apologist haphazard and deceptive exegesis of this scripture.

“But you, O Israel, My servant, Jacob, you whom I have chosen, offspring of Abraham who loved Me…and to whom I shall say: ‘You are my servant’ – I have chosen you and not rejected you.” (Isaiah 41:8-9)

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

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Give me this greatly revered list of Jewish authentic scripture then please

frosbel2:
Not supported by the authentic Jewish scriptures.

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frosbel2:
The gospel of John was written by Gnostic 'believers' and while there are key moral lessons to be learnt,
it is not aligned with the prophets and the law.
If you disagree, kindly provide evidence from the Jewish scriptures to support the statements made by 'John'.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
- Isaiah 53:5

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
- 1 Peter 2:24

The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree
- Acts 5:30

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
- 1 Corinthians 15:3

asuustrike2009:
You're beautiful. Go on 7 days night vigil to seek answers from the lord

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frosbel2:
Given the spiritual magnitude of this remarkable prophecy, Hosea was compelled to reveal how the ecclesiastical Temple functions were it to be replaced.
In essence, if the prophet is testifying that the nation of Israel will indeed be without a sacrificial system during their long exile until the messianic age, what are we to use instead?
How are the Jewish people to atone for unintentional sin without a blood sacrifice during their bitter exile?
What about all the animal sacrifices prescribed in the Book of Leviticus?
Can the Jewish people get along without animal offerings? Missionaries claim they cannot.

The Bible disagrees.

For this reason, the teaching highlighted in Hosea 14:2-3 is crucial. In these two verses, Hosea reveals to his nation how they are to replace the sacrificial system during their protracted exile.
The prophet declares that the Almighty wants us to “render for bulls the offering of our lips.” Prayer is to replace the sacrificial system. Hosea states,

Take words with you, and return to the Lord. Say to Him, “Take away all iniquity; receive us graciously, for we will render for bulls the offering of our lips.”

(Hosea 14:2-3)

The prophets never instruct the Jews to worship any crucified messiah or demigod; nor does Scripture suggest that an innocent man could die as an atonement for the sins of the wicked. Such a message is utterly antithetical to the teachings of the Jewish Scriptures.
Rather, it is the prayers of the sinner that would become as bulls of the sin offerings.

King Solomon echoes this sentiment as well.

In I Kings 8:46-50, King Solomon delivers a startling prophetic message as he inaugurates the newly constructed first Temple.
In his inauguration sermon, King Solomon forewarns that one day the Jewish people would be driven out of the land of Israel, and banished to the land of their enemies, near and far.
During their exile, many would fervently desire to repent of their sins.
King Solomon then declares that they are to face Jerusalem from their diaspora, confess their sins, “and God will hear their prayers in heaven, and forgive them for all their transgressions.”
If they sin against You, for there is no man who does not sin, and You will be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, and their captors will carry them away captive to the land of the enemy, far or near. And they shall bethink themselves
47in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captors, saying,‘We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness.’
48And they shall return to You with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land, which You gave to their fathers, the city You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name.
49And You shall hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven, in Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause.
50And forgive Your people for what they have sinned against You, and all their transgressions that they have transgressed against You…
(I Kings 8:46-50)

There was no mention of a cross or a dead messiah in King Solomon’s prophetic message.
Only the contrite and repentant prayer of the remorseful sinner can bring about a complete atonement.
Although King Solomon’s timeless message stands out as a theological impossibility in Christian terms, it remains the warm, centrepiece of the God’s system of atonement throughout his long and bitter exile.

Best wishes for a happy Passover.

Sincerely yours,

Rabbi Tovia Singer

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
"Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
- John 1:29

Now Caiaphas was the one who had advised the Jews that it was expedient for one man to die on behalf of the people.
- John 18:14

Caiaphas did not say this on his own. Instead, as high priest that year, he was prophesying that Jesus would die for the nation,
- John 11:51

He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world.
- 1 John 2:2

And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.
- 1 John 4:14

And love consists in this:
not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
- 1 John 4:10

frosbel2:
The answer to your question is simple.
Jesus could not die for anyone’s sins, whether they were committed intentionally or accidentally.
To begin with, the Jewish people were strictly prohibited from offering human sacrifices under any circumstances.
There is not one place throughout the entire corpus of the Jewish Scriptures where human sacrifices are condoned.
In fact, over and over again, the Bible warns the Jewish people that it is a grave sin to bring a human being as a sacrifice.
In the Book of Leviticus, only distinct species of animals are permitted for use in blood sacrifices.
The ancient pagan religions promoted the same idea about atonement as Christendom continues to preach today (e.g. Molech).
They would joyfully offer a child into the fires of their sacrificial offering in order to expiate their sins and appease the gods.
Why would a child sacrifice be used in this pagan ritual rather than an adult?
The reason is that a child is a moving portrait of one who is innocent of sin. A child, they reasoned, could not have committed iniquity and thus mirrored the animal sacrifice which also had to be unblemished. The Torah therefore condemned human sacrifices, and forewarned Jewish people of terrible consequences if this commandment were violated.

This message was conveyed at Mt. Moriah, where Abraham prepared to offer up his beloved son Isaac as a sacrifice. At that epic moment in history, as Abraham was ready to sacrifice Isaac, the Almighty admonished him that He did not desire human sacrifice, and directed Abraham to sacrifice the ram caught in the thicket instead. The Almighty’s directive – He only wanted animal sacrifices rather than human sacrifices – was immediately understood. This teaching has never departed from the mind and soul of the children of Israel.

Furthermore, the prophet Ezekiel warned the Jewish nation that a righteous man could not atone for the wins of the wicked.
Wouldn’t we consider a father cruel if he punished an obedient child for the misdeeds of another? Only an unjust society would pardon its criminals while imprisoning the innocent. The prophet therefore warns that no innocent person can die for the sins of the wicked!

The soul that sins, it shall die! The son shall not bear for the sin of the father, nor the father bear for the sin of the son. The righteousness of the righteous person shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked person shall be upon him. 21As for the wicked man, if he should turn away from all his sins which he did, and safeguard all My decrees, and do justice and righteousness; he shall surely live. He will not die. 22All his transgressions which he committed will not be remembered against him. For the righteousness which he did, he shall live. 23Do I desire at all the death of the wicked man — the words of my Lord, God — is it not rather his return from his ways, that he might live?

(Ezekiel 18:20-23)

Moreover, if missionaries want to use Leviticus 17:11 to bolster their claim that blood sacrifices are indispensable for procuring an atonement, they must use all of the verse, not just a part of it. Leviticus 17:11 specifically says that the blood of the sacrifice must be placed “upon the altar to make atonement for your souls.” That is to say, Leviticus 17:11 explicitly declares that blood can only effect atonement if it is placed on the altar. Jesus’ blood, however, was never placed on the altar. If the Church is going to take the “blood” part of the verse literally, they must also take the “altar” part literally as well. Jesus’ blood was never sprinkled on the altar, and therefore his death could not provide atonement for anyone.

Finally, the prophets loudly declared to theJewish people that the contrite prayer of the penitent sinner replaces the sacrificial system. Therefore, atonement for unintentional sins today is expiated through devotional supplication to God, the Merciful One.

In fact, in the third chapter of Hosea, the prophet foretold with divine exactness that the nation of Israel would not have a sacrificial system during the last segment of Jewish history until the messianic age. Hosea declares,

…for the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.

(Hosea 3:4-5)

In the words of the Bible, this period of time would last for many days. Yet, despite the repeated proclamations of the Church that the crucifixion of Jesus serves as a sin sacrifice today, the words of Hosea were meticulously fulfilled, and we remain without an animal sacrificial until this day.

There is method in the madness

donnie:
I heard Pastor Benny Hinn say it on TV.
I neva meet Prince Charles before to ask am.

OK
but any video link evidence of Pastor Benny Hinn saying it on TV?

donnie:
Great... back from service.

Nice to hear.
Any evidence?

donnie:
Leave me mbok

How bodi nau?

PastorAIO:
Matthew 21

28 “What do you think? A man had two sons. And he went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work in the vineyard today.’
29 And he answered, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he changed his mind and went.
30 And he went to the other son and said the same. And he answered, ‘I go, sir,’ but did not go.
31 Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you

It is often believed by many christians that professing with the mouth is what will save someone.
I've always argued against this.
It is actions and the way your life is conducted that will save you.

Those that have convinced you that you can be saved with mouth alone are dragging you into perdition.

Parable

²⁵ On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.
“Teacher,” he asked,
“what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
²⁶“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
²⁷He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.

²⁸“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

²⁹But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

³⁰In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.
³¹A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.
³²So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
³³But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.
³⁴He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him.
³⁵The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
³⁶“Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
³⁷The expert in the law replied,
“The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise”
- Luke 10:25-37

Christians mostly never question and so usually are dogmatic

donnie:
Prince Charles of England reads Rhapsody of Realities.

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Tufthunter name dropper

Seun:
What?
Please tell us what leads you to believe this.
Any evidence?

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frank317:
good... what then is Gods function on this earth

To have an influence on earth
To be an influence for the good on earth

PastorAIO:
Hence the brilliance of this question.
What does God actually do?

Exert positive force and influence(s)

PastorAIO:
Of what use is He?

Serves/ing as a source of influence

donnie:
You like?

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donnie:
That is just a warning to those who feel like "touching" the Lord's anointed.

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JMAN05:
It might sound strange, and I understand why it may sound so for you

Understand that people pose questions for different reasons
I asked the same question in three different ways to get a confirmation from you believing & understanding that there is a limit to God's omniscient
but I didnt read anywhere in your response agreeing or disagreeing to any of them

JMAN05:
but let's look at some texts, and see how we can generate a belief consistent with the scriptures.

Gen 11:5-6 reads:
"⁵Then Jehovah went down to see the city and the tower that the sons of men had built.
⁶Jehovah then said:
“Look! They are one people with one language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for them."

Here shows that God went down to investigate. If we view God as all-knowing, how could he not know what He observed now?

I see everything that they do. They can't hide anything from me.
Their wickedness can't be hidden; I can see it.
- Jeremiah 16:17

The eyes of the LORD are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.
- Proverbs 15:3

With Jeremiah 16:17 and Proverbs 15:3 above, at back of your mind, please follow along and meet with me down below

JMAN05:
Gen 18:20-22
²⁰And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
²¹I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
²²And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom:
but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

Verse: "I will go down, and see" said the Lord. He continued "if not, I will KNOW".
He wouldn't have stated He will know what He already knows.
Is there any need for Him to even investigate?

⁹And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
¹¹And He said,
"Who told you that you were naked?
Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?
¹³Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate"
- Genesis 3:9, 11 & 13

Brother I cant believe you fallen to the trick of unnecessarily bringing God to the level of man's limitation
The knowing of God doesnt at any time stops or discontinued
Gen 18:21 is God being anthropomorphised and thereby shown as expressing Himself after the manner of men.

Just as asking the questions in Genesis 3:9, 11 & 13 to Adam and Eve isnt asked out of not knowing
but rather was for Adam and Eve's to realise an unpleasant fact and jam they put themselves into
so is Gen 18:21 showing that God makes sure of wrongdoer’s guilt before He passes sentence

Jeremiah 16:17 and Proverbs 15:3 above are about enough to show that nothing gets pass God unnoticed

JMAN05:
God gave them a choice. Eat the fruit and die, don't eat and live.
If He had everything written out before there arrival, the choice will be meaningless.
He would in fact be acting out a drama he had already written the outcome.
So, why hold the human pair responsible for doing what they were created to do?

God, is not only above us, as in just being Heaven,
He also, is ahead of us, as in being at the end of all the plethora of available choices we have to make.

It's true God gave them a choice,
but the choice starement, has an embeddded IF function
This when run performs a logical test
that returns a value for a TRUE result, and another value for a FALSE result.
Eating the fruit, returns a FALSE result with a die value (i.e. doesnt value life)
Not eating the fruit, returns a TRUE result, with a live value (i.e. values life)

Adam & Eve were created to live right
The freedom they had to do whatever they want,
doesnt absolve them from being responsible for the consequence(s) of the choice not to live right

A good chess player thinks five moves ahead
but God thinks right until the end of last move
That is part of how God with good algorithmic solutions, knows the end from the beginning

JMAN05:
I think the scenario is:
when you know the wheel is loose to fall off, and you chose not to repair it, but continued anyway.
Yet blame m the wheel for fallen off.

I mean, if we assume that life was predestined.

You incorrectly rewrote what I typed
I wrote, when a wheel falls off a bicycle, you leave it, until it falters,
it's after that and when the needful concerning it gets done

Notice, it is totally different to your version of what you thought I originally wrote

You earlier remarked that:
It means all of us are just acting out a role, and the evil are punished for doing what they are cloned to perform.

To that I wrote to counter that:
No one is acting out a role.
No one is cloned to perform...

Implying that when a wheel falls off a bicycle, and starts rolling down the road,
you leave it, waiting for the rolling wheel lose its motion or momentum
It is after the came off rolling wheel, comes to a state of rest, after being stopped dead in its track,
that the wheel gets picked up from its, at rest state, to be fixed

All of us, are like the came off wheel, each rolling down paths
It is only after we come to a rest state at the end of the rolling
that we get picked up and decision made on what becomes of us

"Inu ikoko dudu, leko fufun ti njade"
loosely meaning from a black pot, comes white pap
i.e. good do come out of calamity and the midst of evil

Hiswordxray:
I'm a very busy person and I'm trying to maximize my time.
I won't spend my time providing an answers that would be ignored

Not saying you are
but if you're not a Beguiled Under Satan's Yoke person (i.e. busy person)
you will find the courage to answer the six simple no-brainer questions

After all, a candle loses nothing by lighting another candle

Hiswordxray:
I don't know where you stand so I don't know how to answer you

My profile provides clear evidence that I stand for truth

Hiswordxray:
so I don't know how to answer you

You will know if you'll be answering truthfully

Hiswordxray:
If you stand in sincerity then I would give you a sincere answer

Sincere answers is all I ask for

Hiswordxray:
but if you want to play dumb I would play dumb with you if I have the time.

You're coming through as defensive and working too hard trying to avoid answering the six questions

Hiswordxray:
I'm sorry, did I say something wrong

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You're not just a joker,
but you're yellow-bellied one for that matter too
I have the screen grab of your original post you've changed into this present one
I thank God, you listened to your spirit to disinfect and clean out the rubbish you put out on the original post

Hiswordxray:
Yeah, I know why he asked, he is trying to get me angry but I am dead to such anger.

Cool now, please respond to those six questions I addressed to you. Thank you.

Hiswordxray:
Good question. I'm not mad
Why do you ask?

Stop playing dumb
It is obvious why he asked

Hiswordxray:
That is a very sad way of viewing life, you sound very lonely and lost.

You've formed a preconceived notion,

Hiswordxray:
Are you born again?

1) What made you say or ask him if he is "born again"?
2) To what end or purpose, were you asking him if he was "born again"?
3) What really is "born again"?
4) How did the "born again" originally come about?
5) Was the original "born again" conversation Jesus had with Nicodemus accidental
or it was something already on Jesus' "to do list" to preach and teach about later?
6) How often more, after the Nicodemus dead of the night private meeting, did Jesus Christ mention, preach and/or teach "born again"?

johnydon22:
A rather better question should be directed at you..

Be rest assured, better questions have since been directed at him

johnydon22:
Are you mad?

I can graciously vouch for him that he is not mad
Having cleared that up, are you a shrink?

LeSudAfricaine:
I admire your patriotism

You got me there

LeSudAfricaine:
yes that is true, no one is arguing that
but some nations have more beautiful people than others,
it's just a fact of life

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Shout out to the most beautiful people on earth ...
Proud of all you Nigerian women
Beautiful inside and out

MizMyColi:
I am yet to see a South African woman who doesn't look good.
South African women are so beautiful.

I love the way their ebony and black colours sit on them.

Even those who are overweight have this beauty and aura that they ooze.

I think of them as real Africans, extremely proud of their roots.

Beauty, at the end of day, lies in the eye of the beholder
Same can be said about Nigerian women
I love the way our Naija women's different shades of ebony, black and whatnot colours sit on them
All Naija women, whatever their shape and size have this beauty, aura, self-belief, self confidence and sexuality that they ooze

PrettyCrystal:
A mad man, who had reportedly been mad since 2013, was allegedly delivered after being brought by a lady
for a church programme '12 Hours Speaking in Tongues', organized by the Redeemed Christian Church of God RCCG on Friday (yesterday) at Ahmadu Bello way, Victoria Island, Lagos.

According to a report by the church, the mentally unstable man got himself and became normal after 45 minutes into the programme after reportedly receiving communion.

After the deliverance, his hair was shaved, clothes changed as he was given a good meal he hadn't gotten in a long time.

And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.
- Matthew 6:7

12 Hours babbling more like it
It has to be said, babbling that what was practiced in the ancient world which is glossalia, did predate the occurrence of speaking in tongues that happened on Pentecost day
Christians, openly and without any sense of embarrassment, did not only hijack glossalia (i.e. babbling)
but took ownership of it, to pass as speaking in tongues
The sad thing is, the one thing Jesus Christ warned against, as seen in Matthew 6:7 above, not to do,
is exactly just what Christians have taken a shine and delight to

asuustrike2009:
Ask the holy spirit to teach you more
don't lean on your own understanding.
Don't be moved by what is going on in the church

walls01:
i think you should do that
and ask the holy spirit to enligten you on why jesus came
so you lean not on others understanding

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MizMyColi:
Lol

Of course I do.
I think we were all taken aback with the moniker, honestly speaking now. We just know not to use such expletives.

Very interesting story.

So you're a lawyer eh?
I see where the coherence in thought and epistles come from, and interesting too.

Oh please allow me say, waowaaaawuuu



Well mine's from my confirmation name.
MaryCollette.

Oh, another fun fact, I literally prayed before registering the moniker on Nairaland.

I didnt even see the afore emboldened before posting
"You know what Muttley is famous for, don't cha?"

Here is my confession
You see, I all along had thought your handle had to do with being a Macauley, as in being Miss Macauley
What a completely uninspired wild guess that has turned out to be

Well I didnt pray before choosing MuttleyLaff
Muttley one of my fav fictional cartoon characters is known best for his mischievous, wheezing laughter
Since I at times, laugh like Muttley, the MuttleyLaff handle, which is a merger of Muttley and the Laugh just seemed appropriate for me to pick
I do the Muttley laugh quite often when reading posts