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felixomor:
More meaningful contributions please

My healthy dialogue and conversation with you wont kill you but only make you stronger and wiser
but then sometimes people don't want to hear more meaningful contributions the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed

Nuhvey:
Kikiki.... What's this?
Felixomor actually tired of arguing?

felixomor:
Nah.
I am only helping out a nuisance

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The above is what he doesnt know
Having an "iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" healthy dialogue
and "learn-from-you-you-learn-from-me" conversation is not nuisance

Ken4Christ:
You think the Apostles are not humans like you and me.
Even in the Bible days, sometimes the Apostles have disagreement which they sort out.
Are you aware some of the submission of James contradicts Apostle Paul’s teachings?

Give a few examples please

Ken4Christ:
Apostle Paul read the account of Genesis like I did.
He gave his analysis based on what he understood by the transaction that took place.
His analysis had nothing to do with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
After all, the Apostles cast lot to choose an apostle to replace Judas Iscariot
Is casting lot scriptural?
They erred in that respect.

⁸He is to cast sacred lots to determine which goat will be reserved as an offering to the Lord
and which will carry the sins of the people to the wilderness of Azazel.
⁹Aaron will then present as a sin offering the goat chosen by lot for the Lord.
¹⁰The other goat, the scapegoat chosen by lot to be sent away, will be kept alive, standing before the Lord.
When it is sent away to Azazel in the wilderness, the people will be purified and made right with the Lord
- Leviticus 16:8-10

I told earlier you're making another gaffe
Casting lots, for your information, is scriptural, as seen in Leviticus 16:8-10 above

There are other scriptures in the bible apart from Leviticus 16:8,
where God, at given situations, had approved and recommended "casting lot" as suitable for discovering His will,
so considering that, I disconcur with your comment, that the apostles erred in that respect (i.e. that the apostles erred in casting lots)

Ken4Christ:
Oh, it is a valid question because it is the basis of my submission to what I wrote

It is an invalid question because you've mixed up the basis of your submission
and this has lead you to making false summations and an incorrect conclusion

Ken4Christ:
U know what I said is true and you cannot refute it.

I immediately knew that what you said is not true
On the contrary, what you said, is as easy as a walk in the park, to refute

I understood you said, you're a thorough Bible student
and one, for that matter, who doesnt make careless comments

These are admirable qualities, you posess
Engaging a self-confessed thorough Bible student that you are, who don't just make comments, is a chance of a lifetime
It isnt always one gets to meet a self-acclaimed thorough Bible student
and that's why, in an earlier post, I wrote that, I will like to engage you
Are you game?

Ken4Christ:
You don't have to insult me to drive home your point

He doesn't really mean it

Ken4Christ:
You think the Apostles are not humans like you and me. Even in the Bible days, sometimes the Apostles have disagreement which they sort out. Are you aware some of the submission of James contradicts Apostle Paul’s teachings?

Give a few examples please

Ken4Christ:
Apostle Paul read the account of Genesis like I did. He gave his analysis based on what he understood by the transaction that took place. His analysis had nothing to do with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. After all, the Apostles cast lot to choose an apostle to replace Judas Iscariot. Is casting lot scriptural? They erred in that respect.

Please don't make another gaffe
Casting lots, for your information, is scriptural

Ken4Christ:
I am a thorough Bible student and I don't just make comments

I will like to engage a thorough Bible student that you are.
Are you game?

Ken4Christ:
If you want to dispute my argument, please answer this question. How can Abraham give a tenth of the spoils he vowed not to have anything to do with? I am waiting for your response.

This is an invalid question because you've conflated things up

felixomor:
Continue to be nuisance

You call seeking knowledge from you nuisance?
You call, me questioning you
and you having the liberty to question me back nuisance?

You call having an "iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" healthy dialogue
and "learn-from-you-you-learn-from-me" conversation nuisance?

felixomor:
No more response

Suit yourself

felixomor:
I said go out. Abeg

You've got something I need
and I want it,
I want to have that what you know

felixomor:
Out

It's nothing personal,
so please don't hastenly get rid of me,
afterall we are having an "iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" healthy dialogue
and "I-learn-from-you-you-learn-from-me" conversation

felixomor:
Please remain blind

Don't do that, dont give me the marching order
Please don't be cruel because I'll never be that cruel to you

felixomor:
Out

How do you mean?

felixomor:
Are u done?
Tell me when you are.

Tell you when I am done with what?
I don't understand.

felixomor:
Are u done?
You can use the door

How can I be done when you keep ignoring my pleas.
Why are you recommending the door to me?

Help me with what I don't see.

Is it too much asking whether you're saying, its at and in Genesis 28:22b that Jacob paid tithe?

felixomor:
You are already down bro.
Remain there. Remain blind

I know but please pull me up.
You don't hit a man when he is down
After down, the only way is up.
Show me the way, please have mercy

felixomor:
Allow it to continue to go over your head
Remain blind

Dont quit
Dont let me down
Follow through to the end on this for me please
Remove the scales from the eyes, have it in your heart to have mercy, I am begging you
Please! please!! please!!!

Candour:
Abraham left his place of abode at Mamre with over 318 armed men to go rescue Lot, pursuing the invading kings to Dan. Can you please explain where in the bible it's written that Abraham carried the goats, sheep, donkeys, gold and silver he would have paid as tithe along with the armoury for the war he was going to fight? How would people going on an emergency war carry such baggage along? Also you're truly very bold and brazen.
In order to justify this fraudulent tithe you preach, you're ready to reduce the revelation of Apostle Paul? which other mistake did Paul make? or is it only in tithe he committed a blunder?

Jacob made a vow contingent upon God fulfilling a demand he made which is solid proof that it wasn't a laid down tenet or law his father was abiding by.
If tithe was obligatory on him, he wouldn't use it to trade with God since according to you and others, the tithe already belonged to God

petra1:
Jacob made 3 vows
1.God would be his God
2.He would build a house of God
3.He would give tithe

Genesis 28:21-22 (KJV Strong's)
And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I [b]will surely give the tenth [/b]unto thee.

He said God would be his God . But God was already his God . Why would he be praying to God if he wasn’t his God . So tithing also was already a culture to him . It’s when sometimes a christian says to God “ LORD IF YOU GET ME OUT OF THIS TROUBLE I WILL WORSHIP YOU FOREVER . It’s only an affirmation

Yes, there was a culture to pay tithe.
There was culture to pay tithe, which Jacob was aware of, even before the Law was given to the Israelites to begin giving tithe
Abraham paid this tithe according to that prevailing culture aound that Mesopotamia area of that times

Abraham, I know, paid tithe, and the Israelites, because of the vow Jacob made, I know too, paid tithe.
Jacob didnt physically as a person, do or fulfil doing the tithe part vow he made to God

Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, we know.
The Israelites paid tithes to the Levites, we know.
petra1 who did Jacob give or paid this wishful thinking and without proof, tithe to?

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

petra1, my dear brother
kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to?

felixomor:
Are u done?

What you mean done?
I told you I dont understand
The Genesis 28:21-22 scripture you posited went over my head
thats why I asked the question(s) obviously because I want to know the answer(s).
I hate making hasty judgements before considering all available information

Take my hand and lead me to the promised land
Pour yourself out, all your knowledge, dont hold back please

This is a golden opportunity to obtain information
by questioning someone knowledgeable like you, who is better informed about this "Jacob paid tithe" subject than I am

felixomor:
Please remain blind

Are you getting the hump ni?
Please dont be like that
It seems I took my frustration of not getting the answer out on you
Please have it in your heart to forgive, I am sorry

Are you saying its at or in Genesis 28:22b that Jacob paid tithe ni?

Please dont make me grovel

felixomor:
Oh good.
Then case closed!

Case closed? I cant believe it.
You're having a laugh. Right?
You got to be kidding me
Dont you, at all, fear God?

OK, maybe I am a bit slow on the uptake, please in layman's terms, show me where and when Jacob paid tithe
Are you saying its at or in Genesis 28:22b that Jacob paid tithe ni?
Help a brother out
Please help out a brother in need of the answer

felixomor:
You are the one insulting your own intelligence

So that part of the bible quoted,
Who was talking there?

It was Jacob talking

felixomor:
Are u still looking for where Jacob paid tithe?

My brother, why are you insulting my intelligence like this now?
Ah-ha, what you take me for?

There is nothing confusing in tithe or tenth, or 1/10 or 10% or possibly 0.1 ke

I am looking for where and when Jacob paid tithe or tenth, or 1/10 or 10% or possibly 0.1
plus who Jacob paid tithe or tenth, or 1/10 or 10% or possibly 0.1 to

felixomor:
The word tithe is actually another word for tenth

Go and cross check it.

That's a no brainer
Thought you'll tell me something I dont already know
Check some of my past posts, I have called tithes: tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too

So, what's your point, when you typed that the word tithe is actually another word for tenth?

felixomor:
because you dont even pay attention to what you argue against.
Its that bad

I havent argued with you.
We are having an "iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" healthy dialogue and conversation

felixomor:
Genesis: 28. 21. So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
22. And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. -

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Have u read the above portion of your bible before?

Yes, I have, countless times sef
What does it mean?
Why are you bolding Genesis: 28. 22?
What does the bolded mean?
I desperately need the exegesis please

felixomor:
If u still cant know the difference between "tenths" (plural), and tenth (singular)

You are on your own, my dear

Every tithe of the herd and flock
--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the LORD.
- Leviticus 27:32

That's the instruction on tithes
Now I dont know what you're on about with "tenths" (i.e. plural) and "tenth" (i.e. singular)

felixomor:
Neither are u doing yourself any favours by refusing to study the book of Genesis objectively for yourself.

Its a shame

Hold my hand, I beg you and show me please

felixomor:
A tenth of the spoils

In addition to other tenths

Go and read Genesis
It was "tenths"

Which means Hebrews was only referring to a portion of what Abraham gave.

Go and study

Now consider how great this man was,
unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils
- Hebrews 7:4 KJV

And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand.
And he gave him tithes of all
- Genesis 14:20

"New Testament lies hidden in the Old
and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New"
- St. Augustine

Hmm, felixomor, my dear brother, I am sure you're familiar with the above St. Augustine quote

Hebrews 7:4 lies hidden in Genesis 14:20 (i.e. "the tenth of the spoils" lies hidden in "tithes of all'')
and Genesis 14:20 is unveiled in Hebrews 7:4 (i.e. "tithes of all" is unveiled in "the tenth of the spoils'')

Desyner:
Lord Jesus endorsed tithe in Mathew 23:23.

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have
omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

Over to our intellectual gangsters. Bully me into the knowlegde of the 'truth'.

Anyone that objectively watched that Linda Ikeji TV interview with Freeze,
will instanstly see that what preceded the bolded in that Mathew 23:23 verse was the ax Freeze had to grind

People just couldnt in the interview, see the woods for the tithes-tree

What's and who's responsible for witnessing these Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 injustice, unfairness and life devoid of the love of God, that's what Freeze attacked
His Matthew 25:31-42 scripture exegesis about "The Sheep and the Goats" definitely went over most's heads

He talked about his travel to Romania,
and passionately wondered upon returning back why is religious Naija "jagajaja" compared to irreligious Romania

Someone over the weekend posted a thread showcasing Algeria, and this got viewers wondering what the heck is the matter with Naija

Freeze, in the interview, was vulnerable, was honest, admitted his flaws, showed his weakness and owned up to his other frailties
You watched genuineness, listened to no snake oil salesmen gimmicks,

Some difficult questions were posed to him and he didnt shy away from any but answered them all, off the cuff

felixomor:
Oh, u have come back now now.

You are not ready o.
When u are ready to study let me know.

As for now let us play.

You really arent doing yourself or anyone else any favours, by avoiding to answer the questions I put forward to you

Afterall, we are having an "iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" healthy dialogue and conversation
but your refusal to honor and respond to my requests is appalling

Ken4Christ:
I have read the encounter Abraham had with Melchizedec
and I don't agree with the general notion that it was from the loot of the war that Abraham gave Melchizedec tithe.

Chief, I beg you.
Please don't start something that you can't finish ooo

Ken4Christ:
What kind of war did Abraham fight?
He went to rescue Lot and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.
In addition, he went to recover the goods taken that belong to Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot his nephew.

The King of Sodom told Abraham to keep the recovered goods and give him the people. But Abraham said,

Genesis 14:20.
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

The last phrase says, he gave him tithe of all.
It didn't say, he gave him tithe of the loot.
If it did, then Abraham would not tell the King of Sodom, I am not interested in the loot.

Straw man argument.
SMH. Why, why, why?

Ken4Christ:
So, what tithe did he pay. He gave him tithe of all he had.
The question is, was Abraham carrying his possession along?
Certainly not. But he certainly had knowledge of all he had.
As such, he could appoint his servants to deliver the goods or tithe to Melchizedec

An unforgivably cringeworthy summation,
The problem in your summation is, there is nothing like "Abraham carrying his possession along"

Continue reading, you'll reach Hebrews 7:4 below and then face-palm, see the hole in your story

Now consider how great this man was,
unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils
- Hebrews 7:4 KJV

And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand.
And he gave him tithes of all
- Genesis 14:20

"New Testament lies hidden in the Old
and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New"
- St. Augustine

Hmm, OK, I am sure you're familiar with the above St. Augustine quote

Hebrews 7:4 lies hidden in Genesis 14:20 (i.e. "the tenth of the spoils" lies hidden in "tithes of all'')
and Genesis 14:20 is unveiled in Hebrews 7:4 (i.e. "tithes of all" is unveiled in "the tenth of the spoils'')

Ken4Christ:
If the Saints before the Law never paid tithe of what belonged to them,
why did Jacob, Abraham's grandson made a vow which reads,

Genesis 28:20-22.
²⁰And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go,
and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
²¹So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
²²And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house:
and OF ALL THAT THOU SHALT GIVE ME I WILL SURELY GIVE THE TENTH UNTO THEE.

An impressive and very good question
It is an answer having two prongs
Shame answering it, will be going past the range of the thread

Ken4Christ:
So, it was the culture to pay tithe of what one possesses even before the Law was given

Without even knowing you hit the nail on the head,
You actually did hit the target, albeit it wasn't a clean nor a bullseye strike

Yes, there was a culture to pay tithe.
There was culture to pay tithe, which Jacob was aware of, even before the Law was given to the Israelites to begin giving tithe

Ken4Christ:
It was not the exclusive rights of the Levites to collect tithes as he was not yet born when Abraham and Jacob tithed

SMH, I am so very sorry to say that explaining the reason and background surrounding the exclusive rights of the Levites to collect tithes, again, will be going past the range of the thread

From reading Petra1, felixomor and I, you already know I disconcur with that statement, that Jacob tithed

felixomor:
Go and read the life of Jacob from Genesis.
If you cant find it,
Come back and tell me.

You really arent doing yourself any favours by avoiding answering the questions

We are having a healthy dialogue and conversation
but your refusal to honor and respond to the requests is appalling

petra1:
Jacob paid his tithe

Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, we know.
The Israelites paid tithes to the Levites, we know.
petra1 and/or felixomor who did Jacob give or paid this wishful thinking and without proof tithe to?

petra1:
He made a vow to Worship God and to do the tithe if God bless him.
God Blessed him and reminded him of his vow.
And commanded Jacob to go and do it.
Jacob went and raised altar to fulfilled his vow.

Petra1 knowing this is a difficult or unpleasant tithe trying times
and instead of be like a rabbit or deer caught in a car's headlights,
has no choice, than, be showing courage in the face of adversity

Petra1, in another life, you will be good serving as a firefighter/fireman,
you sure are good at trying to douse "fire" with "water"

He is trying to bluff it out, survive a difficult situation,
and ride out the storm by maintaining the pretence

People pretend well but no way can pretence go on forever

To a degree, undoubtedly you've become a bad influence on felixomor
You've conditioned him to believe that Jacob tithed
so to felixomor, I say, beware of false knowledge, it is more dangerous than ignorance

felixomor:
Go and read the life of Jacob from Genesis.
If you cant find it,
Come back and tell me.

I've come back to tell you that I already told you,
Abraham, I know, paid tithe, and the Israelites, I know, paid tithe;
and asked who else again, did you say, paid tithe?

All because I have read the life of Jacob from Genesis
and never found it or cant find it, in there that Jacob paid tithe

So reiterating, Jacob didnt physically as a person, do or fulfil doing the tithe part vow he made to God

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

Now felixomor, my dear brother
kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to?

felixomor:
You are your own limit.
Look above and read it.

Jacob didnt physically as a person, do or fulfil doing the tithe part vow he made to God

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

Now felixomor, my dear brother
kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to?

felixomor:
Read it.
Its above

You're testing your limit, dont try me ooo
Efrebor, efrebor, you go wound ooo