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Blizzy9ja:
Look, me I don tire for all this una tithe wahala... Na freeze cause all this rubbish

As for me oh I don't pay tithe but I give offerings and it works for me

Freeze is not and has not said anything that hasnt for years been discussed here on the Religion forum
Posters over the years, have talked over thoroughly, this tithe topic,
All in order to reach all, so all reach a good decision and/or better understanding of giving,
of which views or arguments put forward concerning taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe no longer holds water

Offerings are OT old school things
and Jesus Christ has given the ultimate offering saving you from having to give any other
You actually give contribution(s) or donation(s) is what you correctly do
Of course freely giving works for anyone

1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing,
as a form of contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means

In fact, it's tithing subtle difference, is that it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably
So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means,
I technically have given a tithe,
Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving
but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing
because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money (i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the ammount or percentage, you willingly decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

Anyone giving imposed tithing is practising a religion, that God our Father doesnt accept as pure and faultless

Correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

Junia:
I don't think there was any custom law

I think you better start thinking and knowing there existed such custom then

Junia:
Read that verse carefully and you would realise that Melchizedek didn't want to take the tithe

You have mixed up personalities for each other.
Melchizedek, at no time, didn't want to take the tithe

Junia:
It was just a free will giving

I would love to have told you, it was a free will offering
but then, I will be lying like a Persian rug.

Junia:
Who knows, maybe he had a revelation of it

Brother, if it was a revelation, it will be transmitted, revealed as a dream or through angelic visitations, but none of either happened

mrwonlasewonie:
exactly.I noticed that when I ask people ok remove emotions and sentiments from whatever you feel about daddy freeze.why do you tithe.usual answers I get
1.so that God will bless me
2.so that God will send customers to my shop
3.so that my sales will increase
4.so that my prayers can be answered
5.so that God can heal me
6.so that I can be promoted

The underlining factors I see is usually self motives.

So I ask.if You had all these things you needed WILL YOU STILL GO TO CHURCH
WILL YOU STILL LISTEN TO YOUR PASTOR
WILL YOU STILL PAY TITHES?

A lot of people have turned God to a business man thinking God blesses you in accordance to your tithe.meanwhile God is not man that he rewards people according to their deeds.that is human nature.e.g if you don't work for me I cannot pay you or give you money.but then again I realize God blesses people who don't even worship him or believe in him

This is the way it works,God blesses your work and makes it FRUITFUL.God doesn't bless people not doing anything and paying tithes and then they think miraculously they will just open the door of their houses and find billions of naira.no that is God encouraging laziness.the blessing of God translates in making the efforts you put into work PRODUCTIVE.IT IS NOW WHEN IT BECOMES PRODUCTIVE THAT THE MATERIAL AND FINANCIAL BLESSING COMES.

These are laws of nature.atheists,free thinkers,Muslims or anyone who adds value to mankind and is productive will definitely be blessed.these are principles

Good observations

mrwonlasewonie:
It is a principle that if you stand on the third floor of a verandah and attempt to jump down then pray that as you attempt to jump,miraculously you should just be suspended on the air,that prayer will not work because there are basic laws of nature that works e.g the law of gravity

If you operate on a better principle, like planes do, using the principle of aerodynamics, you will fly and soar in the air

Junia:
Good. The tithe you just mentioned was under the law (The law of Moses).
Now, no Christian is under the law of Moses.
So you can decide to pay tithes. Not because God is demanding it. But because you are grateful of His provisions.
An example is Abraham (Not under the Mosaic law)

Abraham was not under the Mosaic law
but Abraham gave tithe under a custom law of that prevailing society setting to give a tenth of war spoils to a king cum priest of considerable or worthwhile repute

MuttleyLaff:
I have made distinctions between Levitical tithing and the ecclesiastical tithe

lovingJehovah:
If you can comfortably back this up with a biblical reference I will be more than delighted

Comfortably back what up with a biblical reference?
What exactly will you be more than delighted over?
Is it the Levitical tithe, that has countless biblical references
or is it the ecclesiastical tithe, that has non-biblical references?

MuttleyLaff:
Brother please advise, is a one-tenth part of something or 10 out 100 things, not technically a tithe?

lovingJehovah:
Tithe is a tenth part, or 10 percent, given or paid as a tribute, especially for religious purposes so it is not about the percentage given, but the value or reason behind it

I am vindicated then
because what you typed up there is ecclesiastical tithe

I earlier mentioned that ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members 10%, tenth, 1/10 or possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income.
Some christian gatherings, even have a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of the christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in the tithe ledger book.

Ecclesiastical tithe is performing something imposed and so consequently is a religious duty

I also said, trust me, if Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now, just for second, He will condem tithing
He will frown at ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income
He will ask:
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

MuttleyLaff:
Brother which tithing are you refering to here please?
What and/or whom, is this tithing, you are concerned with, relating to?

lovingJehovah:
The Bible only spoke of one tithing that we all know of.
If there are several, you may refer me to the Bible verses that support that

You dont prefer the Berean way, to find out any of these things yourself
SMH. You rather be spoon-fed.
Keep reading, further on, you'll know about all sorts of tithing, the Bible spoke of that is known of

lovingJehovah:
Tithing was a law for the Jews to provide for the Levites or priests and not for Christians

Yes, I concur with your statement because you're absolutely correct

You are talking about the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe, which God permitted to be given only to NOWS
(i.e. NOWS being an acronymn for No-inheritance Levites, Orphans, Widows and Strangers)

It was a type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

lovingJehovah:
The book of Hebrews say that it is now useless according to some translations.
Jesus is now our priest and so it is obliterated

Yes, I concur with your statement
because you're absolutely correct that any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing has been obliterated

MuttleyLaff:
What is wrong is giving by obligation, to a designated recipient,
who is under the guise of being a Levite, a regularly required 10% of financial measure,
and of which penalties like threat of curses, ostracizations, denial of rights and/or privileges etcetera is attached to non-payers and defaulters

Read below too,

lovingJehovah:
Not only. If you want to keep the law, you must keep the whole and not cherry-pick James 2:10

What are you on about?
Who is keeping which law? Where exactly has cherry-picking happened?
Are people, now, not allowed to FREELY decide to give at any time of their choice, a tenth of whatever financial standing they currently are?

lovingJehovah:
In a nutshell, I can deduce that you are trying to incorporate the Mosaic law into the Christ's law but then redefining it while the vestiges of the Mosaic law are retained

1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is voluntary tithe, which is not imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a contribution or donation

I have worked out, you dont appreciate or recognise the nuance in tithe or tithing,
which could be tithe demanded, taxed, obligatory or imposed

lovingJehovah:
Something you fail to sharpen is that the word itself carries a weighty yoke that Christians cannot tithe tote.
Tithing is dead with the law and a period comes after that

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

No, I disconcur with your statement, because it is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and the period that comes after is that which believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

Anyone giving imposed tithing is practising a religion, that God our Father doesnt accept as pure and faultless

Correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

The tithing subtle difference, which keeps getting lost on you, is the term obligatory or imposed

lovingJehovah:
Polishing or redefining it breeds misconstrued interpretations of the message in the Bible

Has this become an inconvenient truth to you
that people are permitted to FREELY, DECIDE to GIVE, a tenth of their financial standing, as a contribution or donation

lovingJehovah:
Is it difficult for you to let go of the word, "tithing" than trying to breathe a new life into it?

Is it difficult for you, to understand that the word, "tithing" had been, long before the existence of the Mosaic law
and continues to exist after the law about obligatory or imposed tithing was destroyed?

Is it difficult for you, to read and see in the Bible, that bible writers and God uses the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably?
I am more than happy to paste the bible references here, upon your request,
that's if you arent aware that bible writers and God uses the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably

So, if bible writers and God can use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably, what prevents me in doing same?
If I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money, I technically have given a tithe,
Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving it

lovingJehovah:
I want you to consider this, the apostles or the Bible writers have better understanding of the law and the Christ, so if they chose to call the law (tithing) obliterated or useless, who are we?
It was completely NAILED to the stake. There are no fragments left.

Let me reiterate, it is obligatory or imposed tithing that was obliterated and made useless.
FREELY, DECIDING to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a contribution or donation IS NOT obliterated and not useless

lovingJehovah:
What we have now is GIVING.
These two words are distinct and that is the Bible's message

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving
but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing
because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 10% today, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
Giving could be 50% next month, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

lovingJehovah:
Well, you may be in line but seriously you need to attune your disposition a little bit

I have made distinctions between Levitical tithing and the ecclesiastical tithe
We cant run away from the fact,
that if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money, I technically have given a tithe, albeit it isnt/wasnt imposed

lovingJehovah:
The writers of the Bible were Jews who came out of that law of tithing.
They chose their words correctly so as not to cause any dissension or misconstrued interpretation

Brother which tithing are you refering to here please?
What and/or whom, is this tithing, you are concerned with, relating to?

lovingJehovah:
Tithing was actually giving, but giving by obligation, to a designated recipient, a required measure, and a penalty was attached to defaulters.

What is wrong is giving by obligation, to a designated recipient,
who is under the guise of being a Levite, a regularly required 10% of financial measure,
and of which penalties like threat of curses, ostracizations, denial of rights and/or privileges etcetera is attached to non-payers and defaulters

Read below too

lovingJehovah:
Using the word tithing synonymously with giving is contrasting if we go into detail.
The writers of the Bible understood the sense in the two words clearly and never mixed them

All tithings are a form of giving
but not all giving are a tithe or tithing
Giving could be 10% today, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
Giving could be 50% next month, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are trusted to know to do the right thing

10% is a fraction of 100, which tithe incidentally is
however if on your own accord, you decide to give 10% of your money,
this is not classed as tithing that is obligatory or imposed because it is willingly given

Observe that, Matthew Chapter 23, which is the only place in the bible, where & when Jesus ever mentioned tithing, has 7 woe curses in it
No one needs to be reminded of what the symbolic representation, meaning and/or significance of the number 7 in the bible is.

So suffice to say, one will be placing the woe curse upon self, if one willingly accept ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.
Also, the woe curse betide, anyone, guilty by association, in cahoots, with anyone accepting ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.

lovingJehovah:
One might expect them to have used it giving that it was a more popular choice.
One might decide whatever percentage of his will to give in his heart but clearly, tithing is obliterated and cannot be categorized.

What was obliterated was tithing that is obligatory or imposed

Brother please advise, is a one-tenth part of something or 10 out 100 things, not technically a tithe?

Sagacity07:
Come I thought you were a christian with a genuine desire to learn.....

Naa fight....Abeg no even reply again...

I dont do those kinds of fights, all I tried messaging you, was to stick to the thread's subject matter so not derail the thread

I said go open a new thread for this and be still... typing on, there
because I wont be responding to you on here, on any matter, you further type concerning it

Open a new thread to showcase your "AT A POINT FALLEN ANGELS HAD SEX WITH HUMANS" learnings and then mention or invite me

Sagacity07:
By all means....
Stilll....typing....

This thread is about: "Still On Tithing – I Disagree With Daddy Oyedepo!"
so go open a new thread for this and be still... typing on, there
as I wont be responding to you here, on any matter, you further type concerning it

Sagacity07:

Far-fetched Its in the bible ....

Yes, its preposterous and far-fetched
Not in the bible I regularly read and meditate upon

Sagacity07:
Genesis 6:2-4
²that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
³Then the LORD said,
"My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
⁴The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown

Please tell,
how did you extrapolate Genesis 6:2-4 to say "AT A POINT FALLEN ANGELS HAD SEX WITH HUMANS"

lovingJehovah:
Tithing was nailed to the stake with Jesus.

Any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing was nailed to the stake with Jesus.

lovingJehovah:
The law of Christ does not leave a room for tithing

The law of Christ typifies FREEDOM,
and his includes freedom from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

lovingJehovah:
The Bible says, "practise giving" not tithing

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

No, I disconcur with your statement.
Correctly, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

It is nowhere written in the Bible, to say exactly how much must be given or must be done.

It however, is written, that, without prejudice, you give how much you have decided in your heart,
that you give what you are pleased with and won't be sorrowful about it at the end of or after the giving

The percentage you give is not fixed or stipulated.
You can decide to give 1%,
Or decide to give 10% today, as in 10% equals a tenth or tithe.
Decide to give half or 50% tomorrow,
Decide to give all or 100%, the following day.
Decide to give nothing or 0% another day
Decide to give 1% again some other day

As we can see, there is nothing fixed.
Giving is not cast in a 10% or tithe stone.
Anyone that tells you different,
has either an incomplete or low understanding of how this freedom of giving works
and probably doesn't appreciate the revolutionary way of giving for the purpose of the Kingdom

lovingJehovah:
Tithing is not for Christians just as the Sabbath has been obliterated or fulfilled.
Tithing is different from giving and that should be clear to all Christians

Believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

Anyone giving imposed tithing is practising a religion that God our Father doesnt accept as pure and faultless

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

Goshen360:
I salute you God's General. You're blessed

Bro, I reciprocate
but still standing at attention, may I ease and fall out?

lovingJehovah:
Paying the tithe is very unchristian-like. It is a Jewish tradition.

Well, if you are talking of the Levitical sort of paying tithe, then that one, is an obligatory or imposed tithing Jewish tradition.

Ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members 10%, tenth, 1/10 or possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income.
Some christian gatherings, even have a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of the christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in the tithe ledger book.

If anyone, so wishes to tithe, as in give a tenth, 1/10, 10% or possibly 0.1 of your financial income, there is nothing wrong in that
but you'll be going down the wrong path, the moment you permit this practice to be imposed upon you as a religious duty

Ecclesiastical tithe is performing something imposed and so consequently is a religious duty

Trust me, if Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now, just for second, He will condem tithing
He will frown at ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income
He will ask:
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

Sagacity07:
I think the word "old testament" and "New testament" is doing some a disservice. The bible is a progressive revelation of one person: Jesus christ.
This is because he is the solution to the fall of man. All the bible details is how man fell, What is God's solution to restore man's rightful position....simple but detailed

1. God's solution was Jesus....
2. He needed to appoint a race that would set the ball rolling and from which the messiah would come.
AT A POINT FALLEN ANGELS HAD SEX WITH HUMANS...
Remember...programming (the life) is in the blood. Satan also knew this.
3. Abraham was chosen...he delivered.
4.Isaac , Jacob, 12 sons all delivered.
5. Moses said a Prophet like unto me will the lord raise among you...All that means is a law giver.
Someone that is capable of telling you what to do, not another way to do things but what you need to do. (I am THE way)
6. The prophets all setting the stage for the solution to humanity's fall: Jesus
7. Jesus came and made the fundamental laws adjusted clearly stated....example is the eye for an eye law. The other is the stone to death for adultery.....
8. Jesus christ sat at the treasury in the temple and was looking at how people put in money....Jesus christ said the widow(husband, dead) has put in all she had...He didn't exempt the widow from giving because she was poor, he commended her because she gave even though she was poor.
9. Jesus condemned the acts of the pharisees that were not in tandem with truth...when it comes to what should be practised,
Jesus never condemned tithing in the new testament...the bible didn't specify if she was paying tithe ......still typing...

SMH. Do you really believe that "AT A POINT FALLEN ANGELS HAD SEX WITH HUMANS"
You've learned something completely worthless from whoever taught you that nonsense

Angels will have to be born, just like Jesus was, either as male or female, or be born in animal form, to have sex with humans
That hasnt happened yet, so your bizarre and far-fetched theory gets shot down in flames

obailala:
The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ fufilled (ended the era of) The Law.

The mandatory payment of a tenth (tithe) of one's increase is purely a component of The Law,
together with animal sacrifices and all the other numerous strange and impossible components.

Any preacher today who still preaches that it is mandatory to pay 10% (a component of The Law) is simply saying that Christ's death has not fulfillled The Law.

chisco82:
Please can you support the bolded with scriptural backup Or did you just assume that?

Yes we can.
We can support the bolded with scriptural backup
and pleased to say the bolded is not just assumptions nor figment of imaginations

chisco82:
Be civil bit, we are learning and you can make ur point without insult.

My question is those there were into non~farming activities what should be there tithe?
Now this verse 25 of Deutronomy 14 you quoted
"then you shall turn it into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and go to the place which the Lord" your God chooses, please explain

²⁶When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want
- cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink.
Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household.
²⁷And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.
(i.e. they have no land of their own as you have)
- Deutronomy 14:26-27

There is too much to unlearn from and a lot more to learn that's beyond the scope of this thread, but will you a brief summary

For starters, non~farming activities dont require tithing
Artisans and/or non~farming activities are not required to tithe.

Secondly, Israel is a nation, with storehouses, and these for obvious reasons, were strategically positioned all over Israel
The distances to the storehouse or the temple in Jerusalem might be too far for transporting the tithes there
So because of the challenges of the logistics, one was allowed to turn tithes into money
however upon arriving at any paticular designated storehouse or the temple in Jerusalem,
you promptly exchange the money, as stated in Deutronomy 14:26, on anything you want: cattle, sheep, wine, beer or anything else you desire

chisco82:
No, all im saying is that Jesus Christ himself never condem tithing.
Luke 11:42 KJV
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God:
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The bolded said it sometthing that need to be done.

Trust me, if Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now, just for second, He will condem tithing
He will frown at ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income
He will ask:
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

scriptaz18:
Daddy Oyedepo recently opined, and I quote in part,
“...It’s tithing that secures your blessing.”

It would have been nice if you had provided scriptural evidence to support
or prove the truth of this "... It’s tithing that secures your blessing" outlandish remark

scriptaz18:
No, sir! It is the heart to give that secures our blessings.
God doesn’t look at the size of your gift BUT your reaction while giving it!

The story of the Pharisees and the poor widow (and her mite) comes to mind.
While they were doing a ‘roadshow’ with their giving, the widow’s intent to part with her ‘last card’ was sincere
just like the widow of Zeraphath and Elijah

The difference between the two widows are:
The former, instead of being assisted, was fed with an unbalanced twisted doctrine and so exploitedly taken advantage of
whilst the latter, Elijah had to remind her of what God commanded her to do for him

scriptaz18:
Like the Pharisees, you can give all your earnings as a tithe
BUT if the content of your heart says otherwise, I wonder how that can “secure your blessings”

But the Pharisees, didnt give all earnings,
They gave a a tiny part of their surpluses
Jesus said they gave a tiny amount of what they had left over, after all their requirements have been met
Example:
Compare billionaire, giving a million dollars, after all his financial commitment and requirements have been met
with a poor woman who has lost her husband by death and has not married again struggling financially giving all $20 money she has away

scriptaz18:
That you tithe isn’t a determinant that God must bless you.
Tithing is one of the crosses we must carry as believers.
It is our own sacrifice for the Gospel!

Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

scriptaz18:
I’m of the strong opinion that Tithing is the responsibility of every believer

What scriptural basis do you base this strong opinion on please?

scriptaz18:
– there should be no incentive attached to it to make it seemingly appealing to the Church

There is no incentive for believers, attached to obligatory or imposed tithing.
Incentives, for believers, however are attached to doing the-3-rights giving, of which obligatory or imposed tithing is excluded

scriptaz18:
Whether there’s a benefit derivable from it or not, it is our duty to pay TITHE.
We pay tithe more for the physical needs of the church than our ‘own’ blessings!

Show in the bible, where the physical needs of the "church" is advised to be met by tithing
and I will respond in kind, with the principle of church support laid down and recommended in the bible to meet the physical needs of "church"

scriptaz18:
It's high time Pastors taught the church the difference between offering and tithes and other forms of giving – see, God expanded the kingdom of Solomon because of his "massive offering" not tithe!

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

No, I disconcur with the entire statement.
Correctly, it's high time Pastors taught the "church" the revolutionary way of giving, which believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

Secondly, the massive offering you are alluding to were cattles, oxens, sheep and goats (i.e. burnt offering etcetera)
Offering is a form of giving
but not all giving is offering
Financial giving or monetary giving, isnt in biblical context, offering
Contributing to the treasury box, like the poor widow did, isnt in biblical context, offering
None of the patriachs, in the bible, gave money, as offering to God,
The Israelites gave "terumah" as money, which in hebrew means contribution
It wasnt spent but used in making sockets for the tabernacle's posts etcetera

Whatever the Israelites gave for building the tabernacle, (re)building the temple,
is always deemed as contributions, in the for of willing offering,
which usually are animals, material goods like fine leathers, fine linens, acacia woods, technical services/skills, gifts of gold, silver and bronze etcetera

scriptaz18:
There are many people in the Bible whom God touched their lives because of their offerings, and not tithing

Sacrifice and meal offering You have not desired;
My ears You have opened;
Burnt offering and sin offering You have not required
- Psalm 40:6

That is why, when Christ came into the world, he said to God,
"You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings.
But you have given me a body to offer.
- Hebrews 10:5

Mayne, offerings is old school things.
The new and better way God touches peoples lives now
is not because of their offerings, and not tithing, certainly not obligatory or imposed tithing
but it's by the guides in 2 Corinthians 9:7 and Matthew 25:35-40

scriptaz18:
Hence, I still hinge the fact that tithing is our duty, not our investment to God or the church

Our duty can be found in James 1:27, 2 Corinthians 9:7 and Matthew 25:35-40
Believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

2 Corinthians 9:7 is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

scriptaz18:
Methinks God doesn’t look at our offering, seed sowing or tithing
BUT the willingness of our heart to part with them before He blesses us.
Thank you.

Kingsley Ugo Okenwa
25/11/17

I totally concur with this 2-pronged statement, because both of the prongs are so blatantly true
The good condition of the heart is crucial,
as seen in OT Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10, 1 Chronicles 29:9 and NT 2 Corinthians 9:7

mrwonlasewonie:
This is the way I see tithing.are you using your tithe as a means of worshipping God or you're bribing God to bless you.

If he didn't attach blessing to the reward of tithing,WOULD YOU STILL TITHE?
Are you tithing because you want God to bless you or its another way of worshipping God with your finances

If you had no problem in your life and finances,if Nigeria was an utopian country,will you still worship God? Would you still tithe if you were not sick or needed anything from.God?

The bttomline at the end of the day is MOTIVES for tithing

scriptaz18:
God bless you, sir. You are on line - motive really matters in the act of giving (tithing and other forms of giving).

The only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which God permitted to be given only to NOWS
(i.e. NOWS being an acronymn for No-inheritance Levites, Orphans, Widows and Strangers)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below about this one

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. give a tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) are:
1) the Mesopotamia/Babylonian tithe, given at pagan temples to priest(s)
(note: extra biblical references will be provided upon request, similar with #3 below)
2) the type given upon the king's demand's (note: bible references will be provided upon request)
3) the type given to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

"For this reason I am sending you prophets and wise men and experts in the law,
some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town
- Matthew 23:34

Another tithe, not previously stated, is the ecclesiastical tithe
Any expert in the biblical law, or anyone for that matter, familiar with the biblical law, can attest that
this particular tithe was thought of, at a much later time, as it originally wasn't & never intended to be practised at all.

Ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members 10%, tenth, 1/10 or possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income.
Some christian gatherings, even have a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of the christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in the tithe ledger book.

If anyone, so wishes to tithe, as in give a tenth, 1/10, 10% or possibly 0.1 of your financial income, there is nothing wrong in that
but you'll be going down the wrong path, the moment you permit this practice to be imposed upon you as a religious duty

Ecclesiastical tithe is performing something imposed and so consequently is a religious duty

Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

Observe that, Matthew Chapter 23, which is the only place in the bible, where & when Jesus ever mentioned tithing, has 7 woe curses in it
No one needs to be reminded of what the symbolic representation, meaning and/or significance of the number 7 in the bible is.

Suffice to say, you'll be placing the woe curse upon yourself, if you willingly accept ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.
Also, the woe curse betide, anyone, guilty by association, in cahoots, with those accepting ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.

nuclearboy:
Matthew 25:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

and for some.....
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Nuke nice to see you share gritty realism in here again

chrisbaxtian:
Jehu was conducting a bloody coup!
there's no time for such endeavour when you want to seize the Throne!

Contrast this with Zimbabwe
Must be said that Jehu didnt decide by his own discretion to execute the coup or seize the throne

Sarassin:
Evidently not for King Jehu

Mayne of sound judgment.
King Jehu got better taste, good sense of judgement and was well restrained
A mayne on a mission, who cant afford or tolerate distraction(s)

Sarassin:
Much harder to resist a woman in a bathrobe than one with full war-paint, just saying.

You mean nothing in the loins will stir

judedwriter:
Bathsheba reminds me of the myriads of women out there who wear tight fitting and suggestive clothes that expose the unclothedness of their sensitive bodies!
Now do you think these women dress like this not intentionally to attract men to lust after them?
No! Women love attention, and that this why most men see women as pleasure toys!

I usually tell females, that when you go to an orange market do you buy the sliced open in halves & peeled ones or the unpeeled ones?

judedwriter:
David fell for Bathsheba the same way most married men fall for ladies who expose their bodies on the streets, on the internet and on magazines.
This is why Job said: " i have made a covenant with my eyes, that i may not look (lustfully) at a maid."

³⁰When Jehu came to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it, and she painted her eyes and adorned her head and looked out the window.
31As Jehu entered the gate, she said,
“Is it well, Zimri, your master’s murderer?”
³²Then he lifted up his face to the window and said,
“Who is on my side? Who?” And two or three officials looked down at him.
³³He said,
“Throw her down.”
So they threw her down, and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall and on the horses, and he trampled her under foot.
- 2 Kings 9:30-33

Jehu didnt fall for Jezebel's amusing behaviour
Not condoning any action or behaviour that involves taking the law on to your owns hands
but must be said that the end of Jezebels are usually bloody and never good

MightySparrow:
Simple, sleep tonight wake up rich tomorrow.

What does this encrypted and/or unexplicit wise "Simple, sleep tonight wake up rich tomorrow" message means?

petra1:
WOF advocate won't attack tithe na

I don't know about attacks on tithe.
What I personally, have all along been having with you and any other person for that matter, has been a healthy dialogue and conversation

Now this particular WoF doesn't believe in tithes the manner the church goes about it and did in past have a mild spat with you over them.

MightySparrow:
People began to call on God because they knew He exists.
They built altars as a meeting place between God and man.
They put food on the altars to feed Him if He eats

MuttleyLaff:
That Genesis 4:26, you are paraphrasing, isn't actually what you've understood it to be. Sorry.

With all due respect MightySparrow what are you on about?
You sound like, you're talking about those fetish 4-junctions roadside "ebo" to feed the god, if the god eats.

MightySparrow:
Did Cain and Abel carry ebo? Where did they get the idea?

All Abel did, was a burnt offerring, so God can savor the smell
not "... put food on the altars to feed Him if He eats"

When you typed "... put food on the altars to feed Him if He eats"
it just reminded me of those black pots, with palm oil, ekuro and all sorts placed at a three junction street for the gods to eat

petra1:
Oh really? What of offering

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
- Malachi 3:8

There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes,
your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings,
and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks.
- Deuteronomy 12:6

The offerings mentioned in Malachi 3:8 were of the burnt offerings, heave offerings etcetera kind similar to Deuteronomy 12:6 above
so how do you mean "What of offerring"?
What offerring are you talking of then?

petra1:
Tithe was already in practice before Israel and Levi were born

⁹In addition, we might even say that these Levites, the ones who collect the tithe,
paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him.
¹⁰For although Levi wasn't born yet, the seed from which he came was in Abraham's body when Melchizedek collected the tithe from him.
- Hebrews 7:9-10

Yes, this is correct, that tithe was already in practice before Israel and Levi were born
but dont take a cursory of Hebrews 7:9-10, where it posits that before Levites were born, the Levites had already paid tithes via Abraham
because I will refer to it next two steps down when responding to your "Remember Jacob tithed also"

petra1:
That’s not the tithe to God.
The 10% for the poor is not the same.
It is only done every 3 years

The only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) are given
1) at pagan temples to priest(s) (note extra biblical references will be provided upon request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note bible references will be provided upon request)
3) to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

petra1:
The fact that his tithe was recorded once doesn’t mean he paid it once.
It was a principle of faith revealed through Abraham as a way of worship.

No principle of faith was revealed through Abraham.
Abraham, simply was following a custom practice that needed to be carried after successful win(s) fighting a battle or war

petra1:
Remember Jacob tithed also

And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
- Genesis 35:12

And the LORD said unto him,
This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying,
I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
- Deuteronomy 34:4

Jacob did not tithe
Jacob did not tithe because it was going to be the Israelite that wasn't born yet who will do the tithing
The seed from which the Israelites came was in Jacob's body
It is this seed 430 years plus later who will take up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war to have the land

The format of how the tithe vow will be claimed by God took a different turn because of the Israelite's flagrant and offending golden calf misbehaviour

petra1:
Jesus says to tithe

It was under the present circumstances, that Jesus says to tithe, not after
The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, that they tithe
but when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility for them to do it, is no longer required

Jesus didnt say give ecclesiastical tithe

Ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income

petra1:
That was only for a special collection. it was a free will giving

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

¹Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do.
²On the first day of every week,
each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up,
so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
³Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem.
- 1 Corinthians 16:1-3

This is the principle of church support, recommended and laid down as a revolutionary way of giving, which believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 to do
1 Corinthians 16:1-3, isnt only for a special collection
Yes, it is a free will giving but it is, the example, of how church is to be supported

petra1:
I don’t o. Who was it sir

You were being haunted by a blast from the past popular self-confessed Word of Faith Sir

petra1:
You probable were in a haste to reply . Kindly read my post objectively . It should answer your question .

So what dud you find out in this association UP THERE?

You're wrong Nigerians are blessed with brains. They always top the class in universities of the world . And concerning the gospel . Nigerian pastors are all over the world. The last day revival starts from here . Nigeria is leading the body of christ . It used to be England ,later America but even the American preachers testifies of the hand of God on this blessed nation

How does ministry run
I'm feeling so
You need the prayer now more then any one

Petra1 you should know who that was.
The guy has deactivated his account before his cover got blown, tsk tsk tsk.

MightySparrow:
People began to call on God because they knew He exists. They built altars as a meeting place between God and man.. They put food on the altars to feed Him if He eats.

That Genesis 4:26, you are paraphrasing, isn't actually what you've understood it to be. Sorry.

With all due respect MightySparrow what are you on about?
You sound like, you're talking about those fetish 4-junctions roadside "ebo" to feed the god, if the god eats.

Maximus82:
Despite you long epistle, you really didn't say a thing

If you call that a long epistle, I am not surprised you're a little slow on the uptake.

Now you understand, if I say, I am justified when I said, too much suddenly, becomes information overload

Maximus82:
Abraham on record tithed once.. the Israelites on the other hand Tithed continuously to feed the tribe that got nothing. Notice the tithe fed a 12th of God or one whole tribe.. tithes from your church do not feed a 12th of it. It wasn't created for such silly use as we see today.

cc MightySparrow

... and the reason Abraham in record, tithed once is because Abraham on record, went on battle to fight and slaughtered kings once.
The opportunity to tithe never rose again.

The Israelites on the other hand, Jacob knew will have to go on battle to fight and slaughter others in order to have the land God promised his descendants so made the vow to tithe on the land as of when acquired by his descendants the Israelites.

²⁵Moses saw that Aaron had let the people get completely out of control, much to the amusement of their enemies
²⁶So he stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come here and join me.” And all the Levites gathered around him.
²⁷Moses told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Each of you, take your swords and go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other. Kill everyone—even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” ²⁸The Levites obeyed Moses’ command, and about 3,000 people died that day.
²⁹Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have ordained yourselvesd for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Today you have earned a blessing
- Exodus 32:25-29

On how the tithe will be claimed by God, took a different turn, when the Israelites erected the golden calf and the Levites were the tribe that took a stand Exodus 32:26, when asked by Moses, that who is on God's side to step over to him....

Too much suddenly, becomes information overload, so a pause at this juncture

MightySparrow:
I want to learn, enlighten me on this with scriptures.
God hates divorce but it is a common thing even among Christians.
Because of hardness of heart, Jesus said, Moses permitted it yet had a legal backing and procedures under the Law.
Paul talked about it also.

On many occasions God allows what He hates, to accomplish what He loves

MightySparrow:
Tithing is such a thing originated from man as an act of faith. So.....

Please can you substantiate the underlined in the bolded.
If not, then retract the statement remark please.