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Jesusgirl92:
Does name calling show the love of Christ??

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

Yes it does,
especially when calling a spade a spade
and some are preventing others to know and learn about how the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

Goshen360:
Your time is also contributions, your for is also contributions and so is your service.
Don't you hear people say stuff like.....my contributions to my community.
Doesn't have to be money and it could be money.
Again when we say offerings, please understand it carries a different meaning from the bible.
We don't give OFFERINGS no more today in the church BECAUSE CHRIST ALREADY FULFILLED THE MEANINGS OF OFFERINGS.

Jesusgirl92:
hmm.

Goshen360, that hmm, speaks volume
Sign of, there is, light at the end of the tunnel

Jesusgirl92:
I don't pay tithe simply because I'm coerced to sir.

Why do you pay tithe then, if not because you're coerced to?
I can bet my bottom dollar that your christian gatherings, has a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of your christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in their tithe ledger book.

Jesusgirl92:
Why u dey tackle me na?
Do we have to agree all the time??

You are being tackled because of the love of Christ people have for you
You are being tackled because you'll be better off and effective once you know the full truth

Jesusgirl92:
But does that mean you should use "chairHEAD", "crew" and all to address us??
Doesn't show maturity...
But if it makes you happy, then continue.

Sometimes the name calling shock tactics and tough love is needed to get people's attention

MizMyColi:
Hello MuttleyLaff,

I think you take that meme a tad serious

No, I didnt
I just seized the opportunity to lash on the "Stop, stop, stop I think I am going to pee" remark
Most men, if not all, can relate to it, because if lucky,
whilst in the sack, had at one time or the other, come face to face with the female "Stop, stop, stop I think I am going to pee" utterance

MizMyColi:
It had nothing to do with the heavenly feeling called orgasm.
I was reacting to that part of his post that sounded weird and funny at that.

I know. I knew that
but it still wasnt going to stop me taking advantage of an opening, to do a FYI and burst a myth

MizMyColi:
Well, of course, I am no master in the in the world of orgasmia

That makes at least two of us.
Me neither. I am am no master in the in the world of orgasmia
I dont need orgasmia, dont use orgasmia, dont intend going into the orgasmia manufaturing business

MizMyColi:
but I think that Urolagnia, which is referred to as an obscene act, do not bear any semblance to that or orgasm....

In Orgasm or Squirting, it is not the substance that the man finds appealing (as is the case in urolagnia),
it is the sensation cum fulfilment that his partner experiences in that instance.
If he so chooses to express it by drinking or licking or bathing in the substance, then that's his choice.

Orgasm is the sudden discharge of accumulated sexual excitement during sexual activities
Squirting is the feeling females have to suddenly discharge urine or to pee during sexual activities
So Orgasm and Squirting are not synonyms for each other

Reminds me of this lady, the other day,
who confessed that, when having sex together, her boyfriend likes eating her poop and smearing his face all over with her faeces
Now, you would agree that just because it is his choice to do that, doesnt mean his choice, is right and not yucky gross

MizMyColi:
You sound like you are averse to orgasmic feelings..

Ah, if you only knew.
You wouldnt say this, if you knew.

Dont you know why the originator of climax or orgasm invented and/or created it?
Having sex is good enough, but having a climax or orgasm is an additional good and is beneficial
Climax or Orgasm. That's the icing on the cake!

MizMyColi:
Perhaps I do not read you correctly

Yup, you can bet your bottom dollar, that perhaps you do not read me correctly

Sarassin:
Oh please spare us all the moralising, you sound like the papists of old.
Since when do we condemn people for what goes on in their head?
My point is one man’s morality is another man’s anathema.

Far from moralising, my dear friend
Just that I prefer to the Golden Rule, that you should treat someone else and theirs exactly as you would want them to treat you and yours

Dont be staring in unpleasant way, at the breasts or bacca of someone's else woman with or with out her knowledge
Leering lustfully at a crush, a poster picture that happens to be someone's else male or female is condemnable

I am sure you would show a strong disapproval to anyone ogling Mrs Sarassin or any of the maidens in the Sarassin clan
A stitch in time saves nine, nip it in the bud before it uncontrollably develops into a criminal intent

Sarassin:
There is a fine line between perversion and sexuality,
I met a woman once who no matter what, could not have an orgasm unless she sneezed,
and she would often sneeze at the most inopportune of moments she was at her wits ends, apart from the inconvenience,
apparently the husband complained that her shrieking “tickle my nose…tickle my nose” put him off his business,
it was one of the darndest things I had ever come across but then who am I to pass judgement?

MizMyColi:
https://i67.tinypic.com/2r5diko.jpg

Considering that some women get the urge to ejaculate during orgasm, if not sure, if it's peeing or squirting, then better read on
Contrary to popular belief, it doesnt on the male's side, mean, mission accomplished or job's done,
when or if, whilst in the sack, you hear your woman say "Stop, stop, stop I think I am going to pee"
That sort of female ejaculation, actually and really, is urine or pee
and urolagnia, by the way, is considered obscene under the UK Obscene Publications Act.
So, all those golden showers enthusiasts or squirting fetishists out there, be aware of this

Sarassin:
And therein lies our differences.
For avoidance of any doubt I utterly condemn acts of perversion against children, the vulnerable and animals
but I do not see anything wrong in a guy who in his privacy spanks the one-eyed monk to the image of his favourite poster girl,
or a girl who strums her guitar to the beat of her crush.
In moderation it is healthy endeavour

I know you didnt think this thoroughly through before posting this
I wonder what's going through the man's mind when he chokes the chicken to death to the image of that "favourite poster girl"
and wonder what's going through her mind as she strums her guitar to the beat of her crush
Are they fantasising about having sex with him/her, when choking the chicken to death or quietly strumming on her guitar strings?

If a married man/married woman, looks at a woman/man, to lust after her/him has already committed adultery with her/him in his/her heart
If a man/woman, looks at a woman/man not having a relationship with,
to lust after her/him has already committed fornication with her/him in his/her heart

Sarassin:
There is a fine line between perversion and sexuality,
I met a woman once who no matter what, could not have an orgasm unless she sneezed,
and she would often sneeze at the most inopportune of moments she was at her wits ends, apart from the inconvenience,
apparently the husband complained that her shrieking “tickle my nose…tickle my nose” put him off his business,
it was one of the darndest things I had ever come across but then who am I to pass judgement?

The husband is an ignoramus
Imagine, if after busting your nut, she wasnt on cloud nine beside you, all you just have to do is, simply "tickle the nose"
I know so many husbands and boyfriends who will say, wow, wish I had that or could do that for my wife or girlfriend

Sarassin:
Different strokes for different folks.

When in private or public, gawping at someone's else Mrs is not on
Imagine massaging the one-eyed monk over a married woman's or someone else woman's picture
Imagine someone strumming her guitar strings over a married man's picture or the picture of another woman's man

felifeli:
" There is nowhere in the Bible where it is written that tithing and giving offering is compulsory.
But if you want to trust God with your finances you should even strive to do more than the tithe "

This was a part of the message of the G.O of MFM Ministries this morning at the international headquarters .

My own words:
So, what do you say scoffers? If you like chop nkwobi and Isi ewu and gulder with your money, if you like give it to your church . The choice is your. God no get address and no bank account.

Seun:
He needs the source.
Did you attend the service?

subcbouy:
What exactly did he say? You are part of the church problem.
Give whole transcript message, not just sentence.
Or you refer people to where they can listen to the message. Shalom

goldbim:
Big lie! I was there and what he said was God won't force you to pay tithe
but those that are doing it know why they pay it..
even some pay 25/50/90 percent tithes!!
Please, nobody should misinterprete Dr Olukoyas word!!!

The moderator or whoever pushed this to front page
should have known that people are just as bad, as those fake news bloggers, and so will post anything to make front page

Should have waited for the source to see the transcript or confirm via link to watch the video of him and the exact words used
Not all these hearsay, made-up story or twisting what the man actually said just to give it undue interest

Sarassin:
Far more eloquently put.
Of course there are moral issues at play, one assumes that the gentleman is not of the 'dirty Mac' variety.
I agree with the rest of your analysis.

You have developed a cult following
The C in that cult word, can typify the Chancer, Crowd, Curious, Committed and Checker
Most of your following, predominantly fall into the first three Cs
so you should have stressed that choking your chicken whilst, for example, drooling at the picture of another that's not yours, is totally out of order

NLmember:
Wow, I love this.

It's nice to see a religious view that teaches the values of the feminine nature

It is reality and a religious view

NLmember:
Too bad Abraham religions, especially Islam have reduced women to nothing more than pleasure things and objects of servitude

Abraham religions, especially Islam are legacies of a patriarchal society

Sarassin:
Well thank you much.
Whilst I would not really describe myself as a religious person

I think at the most of times, without being aware you are, you would be described as a religious person
A religious person is one, who does pure and faultless thing(s) expected from him or her

Sarassin:
I would state that the history of the world presents us with the feminine aspects of the Divine be it in the form of mother Gaia, Lakshmi, Lilith or even Oya.
A wise man understands that if he seeks compassion in his life, he must seek the love of a woman.

If God can sought the consent and love of a woman
Who is man not to take cue from that

NLmember:
Yeah, I agree.
People downplay the compassionate and feminine roles women play
and term them 'weaker' just because they have those attributes. I don't agree with that.
I know the world certainly needs more compassion and understanding with the way things are.

Women arent the weaker sex.
Both sexes have their weaknesses and/or had their moment of weakness
For real men, women actually, are the better sex

Sarassin:
Hello, you have raised some pretty interesting questions here regarding prophecies, and their non-event in your life. The giving of prophecies can be risky business because truly nothing is fixed in the Cartesian geometry of the universe, we live in a state of flux where everything changes instantly on the basis of a myriad decisions we make on a daily basis. So the best we should say is that a prophecy should be considered as a stated outcome with the proviso that a set of circumstances remain the same. In other words the prophet (or clairvoyant) takes a snapshot of the universe at a particular point in time and the extrapolation of the circumstances of that snapshot constitutes your prophecy, but inherent within us is the ability to change, it is our one constant.

But it does not end there, you also have to examine the competency of the person delivering the prophecy, and to that end, what obtains in a lot of the white-garment churches that you talked about amounts to little more than spirit-based possession with very little control, in my view they attract low-level elemental beings. Since I do not wish to offend the sensibilities of others, I will leave it at that.

I can only speak for what I believe and not that of others you mentioned. What I will say is that all the great holy books of the world seek to define Man’s interaction with the Divine, but in truth the interest of the Divine God in its emissions being mankind rests solely on our reconciliation with the God-head, the deep calls unto the deep and everything else is simply superfluous.

So, to address the question you asked, in the words of Pontius Pilate, “Truth, what is truth?” the truth is what we “Know” at any given time, and we only truly know what we can experience and even then …it is only “A truth”, in your lifetime you would seek to know a series of “truths” and the path to truth seeking begins with a paradigm shift, a change in consciousness, and the knowledge that we each have a unique path to the Divine.

You feel you have a need to restore the world and it is because you have a Kharmic responsibility.

You have also mentioned sexual urges, it is nothing to do with entities or such,
you should simply remove the feelings of guilt associated with the act and the urge will disappear.
You should understand that there is nothing inherently wrong with the masturbatory act

kkins25, what if I told you, Sarassin, left out the part that says:
You should understand that performing masturbatory act(s) in unsuitable or undesirable manner(s),
done for unacceptable reason(s) or for perverted purpose(s) is inherently wrong

Sarassin:
some of the greatest magic in the world is performed at the moment of ecstasy,
and indeed all these people running around with repressed attitudes towards sex are simply deceiving themselves

That magic is "la petite mort" and not ecstasy
God has a very good sense of humor, getting human beings practising with little death

The magic, is that point during orgasms, where you experience momentarily loss of consciousness, to everything, in your surrounding.
Orgasms is one of the greatest "magic" in the world
Orgasms can take you to cloud nine and give you an experience of mystic self-transcendence.
The type of ecstasy Sarassin mentioned, is that conscious subjective emotion you have, after you experienced orgasm

Sarassin:
there is no virtue in abstention from what is an entirely natural act ,
spirituality and sexuality are eternally intertwined.
The trick is to learn how to properly harness sexual energy
and use it in a positive manner, as with all things, moderation

I couldn't myself, have said it better than this way

analize701:
I guess we'll have to do this tomorrow then

You guessed right
and by God's grace, tomorrow it shall be, for this to be continued

analize701:
I have kept my eyes open hoping you'd come on before i sleep

I pray you sleep peacefully
I am so sorry for keeping a lady waiting
but prioritizing good sleep is good self love

Tired minds don't post well.
Sleep, is when the spirit via the soul, replenishes a tired mind and body.
Sleep first, post after and better
I was in the mood to sleep,
so listened to my body and succumbed to the embracing arms and allure of beauty sleep

analize701:
Good night good sir.

Trust you had a better night,
sweet dreams, slept tight, and didnt let the bed bugs bite fair lady.

analize701:
I know right? It's been a busy day for you. Welcome

I am still sitting in the car, making these one or two snap responses.
Have to, as dont want the posts getting buried under other posters' submissions before I post my responses to them

Leave banter and distractions, out of this thread for now.
I'll soon step out of the car, go upstairs,
and catch up on the last few pages.
I read whilst out and about, some many faux pas posted by you, petra1 and one or two others, that rendered me face-palming and SMH

Jesusgirl92:
My dear, your answer still doesn't make sense as far as the scriptures is concerned.
Why didn't Jesus condemn tithe in Matt 23:23...

It will be premature for Jesus to condemn tithing in Matthew 23:23 and before the victory at Calvary

Didn't you know, it will be wrong and out of order, for Jesus to condemn the Levitical tithing whilst the temple still stands and exist

Though Jesus, then was living under the jurisdiction of the law
it an eye-opener that Jesus, in Matt 23:23, was teachig new facts about tithe,
in that tithe, isnt even part of any of the weightier matters of the law

Trust me sister, if Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now, momentarily, just for second, He will condem the tithing you practice.

He will frown at ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income

He will ask:
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

Jesusgirl92:
And which scriptures defines tithe as agricultural produce??

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I earlier said:
"if you are an artisan, you don't pay tithe".
then asked you:
"Do you know the reason why?"

I then qualified my question, when further I asked:
"If you are an OT artisan, do you know why you aren't required to give or pay tithe?"

If you had responded to any of them, you won't be asking this your question

No offense sister,
but it does sound like a rookie question.

analize701:
hahahahahahahahaha. How did condom find it's way into Tithe paying?

Forget the condom incidental distractions jaare
Let's stay focus, this thread is serious, and potentially a life changing one because when you know the truth, you'll begin operating in top flight defying gravity using a superior and better principle

Jesusgirl92:
So if I don't farm, I shouldn't pay tithe....
Tithings are for farmers alone

Another pit stop, almost indoors, just parking car downstairs.

You're learning pretty fast my sister
Yup, if you are an OT farmer and all, you give tithes
but if you are an artisan, you don't pay tithe.
Do you know the reason why?
If you are an OT artisan, do you know why you aren't required to give or pay tithe?

analize701:
Okay then, Tell me what the Holy Spirit means by this;
Good News Translation Hebrews 7:8

In the case of the priests the tenth is collected by men who die; but as for Melchizedek the tenth was collected by one who lives, as the scripture says.

There's something you are not seeing or deliberately and willingly refusing to see, and until you see it, you will understand why Tithing was mentioned here in the first place.

Had to park and quickly respond to this
It's actually you and the something you are not seeing or deliberately and willingly refusing to see, and until you see it, you will understand why it is only the Jewish believers that letter was written to and not to the other believers living in Jerusalem at the time

analize701:
I'm not gering aurahia o

I actually was laughing at how you've personalised the "abeg gererahia" catchphrase
You so often use it, its become the favourite to use among your wave off lines

I have to quickly pop out for a few hours,
so currently not in a position to respond to all those your mentions of me
but trust me, I'll Arnold Schwarzenegger be back, to do robust justices to each one of them, later on today
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I am on the road, watching each and/or all posts...

Meanwhile, analize701 and petra1, please respond to the following:
1) How many times was tithe mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven?
2) Why was tithe, at all, mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven?
3) Was tithe the centre of interest, anywhere in the entire Hebrews' letter and/ or in the Hebrews Chapter Seven part of the letter?
4) You agree that the Epistle to the Hebrews, or Letter to the Hebrews, was written to the Jewish believers who lived in Jerusalem,
don't you?
5) Why was the Epistle to the Hebrews, or Letter to the Hebrews written to these particular set and peculiar people living in Jerusalem?
6) What was the author trying to achieve, with writing to these particular and peculiar people, in detail and at a persuasive long length?
7) Is tithe or tithing mentioned at all,
in of any of the 13 epistles or letters, written by Paul, to believers living in other towns and/or cities?

analize701:
Lolzzzz, you may have seen another moniker like mine discussing Tithe on this platform, because Tithe is the least topic i have engaged in the platform, but whatever you say, good for you.

If i decided to leave a post unanswered is not becos i can't answer or because i have nothing to say, maybe because the post is senseless and won't waste my time on it.

I never attacked anyone o, i told you represent points rather than talking for talking sake. If you take that as an insult and are offended, i'm sorry pls.

Okay. Thank you for your opinion, but i opened this thread not to fight but to exchange views based on the Bible, not how we feel personally.


Do you think i didn't see this verse? Who is talking about The Promise here? Did i open this thread to talk about perfection?

Sir, the bone of my OP is, WHY did the Holy Spirit bring the issue of Tithing while Comparing tje Priesthood of Melchizedek as the eternal High Priest who had no mother, no father. not linked to the linage of Israel, and compared it with the Priesthood of Christ?

Why did he begin by talking about Tithe taking. Pls discuss my OP or leave me in peace.

Abeggi, you either don't understand my OP or you are deliberately dodging it.

You said Pastor threaten people to Pay Tithe, and i showed you from the Scriptures that it is God Himself who threatens you, not pastors, now you are attempting to make another issue of it.

Listen, i will not allow you derail my thread, it's either we discuss it, or you let it be.

We are not here talking about who obtained any Promise or who is perfect.

Lolzzzz. Ah nah waoooo. Christians who pick and choose from the Bible what shd apply to them and what should not. Now old Testament belongs only yo the Jews because it involves the issue of Tithe paying.

You are a descendant of Abraham through Christ abi? Shay Abraham na New Testament Patriarch? Shey you claim the Promises in the Old Testament abi? Why will you do that?

I hope you still remember that the Hebrews 11 were you quoted from, connects us with the Patriarchs? Or, you are not a Seed of Abraham through your Faith in Christ? I hail ooo.

Start your life in middle and see how far you go.

Hmmm. If only you have tried getting close to my Op.

You ignore my Op to discuss Pastors?
Wise men talk only when they have something to say...

This would have been true if you had tried discussing my Op. lolzz.

So Bishop Oyedepo will stoop to respond to Freeze? Lolzzzzzzzzzz. You must attach great value to this Freeze Character. sorry not everyone is as flimsy and idle like you are.

Who is Freeze to challenge his grand father? You actually believe Pa Adeboye will take out time to respond to an empty ambitionless attention seeker like Freeze? What stupidity? What are Freeze's contributions to the Lives of Nigerians aside from talking on radio, who is he?

I, in low estate has not responded to him, will Fathers do? Really? abeg Gererahia.
From start to finish, you have said absolutely nothing, so from here i say to you, good bye.

When you go into a thread, read the Op and address it.

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at abeg gererahia mayne

paxonel:
Yeah, that's true!
Very very correct .
I have seen it now, thanks

Because the thing has been part of their religious obligations and tradition, they feel like continuing it

Classic benefit of having an "iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" healthy dialogue
and "I-learn-from-you-you-learn-from-me" conversation

paxonel:
That's not the reason tithe were mentioned in those new testament scriptures.

There is no record that early christians in the new testament knowingly or ignorantly paid tithe.

The reason tithe were mentioned in those scriptures was to affirm the superiority of the christian faith or Grace over over the law (especially the Jewish laws).

And you know tithing was part of the Jewish laws

¹¹We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand.
¹²In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers,
you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again.
You need milk, not solid food!
¹³Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.
¹⁴But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
- Hebrews 5:11-14

Some Jews were still paying or giving tithes to the Levites after the victory at Calvary
merely because of the sake that the temple still existed

What you mentioned is one of the other parts, of the why was tithe mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven
It is going to be too long-winded going into details
Most readers dont like long posts, as it turns into information overload for them

analize701:
Lolzzz.
This thread is not for Children pls.
If you do not know that said that by Himself, then you shs take your tears somewhere else.
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Malachi:3:8

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Malachi:3:9

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Malachi:3:10

Pls take your fight to God who threatened you. See who God go threaten, bacteria better pass you before God.

If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Malachi:2:2

Weytin you go do now, fight am?

paxonel:
I have taken time to look at all your responses to other people's comments
and questions in this thread, including the questions you deliberately ignored because you never had answers to them.
My conclusion about you is, you have failed woefully.
You have failed to establish reasons for your position on tithe, you are now gasping for breathe

Consequently,you are now resorting to attacks and insulting people rather than defending your position logically and conclusively.
If you think any sensible christian who understand his scripture will buy your idea, may be you should read the summary of everything and why they will never become that foolish.

Hebrews 11:39-40
39. And these all(all the people mentioned in previous verses of this chapter 11, including Abraham who paid tithe) having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVETH NOT THE PROMISE(inspite all their tithes and good reports):
40. God having provided SOME BETTER THING FOR US.(which is Christ the founder of christianity), that they without us should not be made perfect.

You see that?

Without us(Christians ) Abraham, Melchizedek (who even collected the tithe from Abraham) Isaac, Jacob, prophet Malachi
(because you are now quoting Malachi for me and reminding me of courses meant for people who never had the opportunity to receive the promise like i have received),
and everyone in the old testament. WITHOUT US(CHRISTIANS), ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT PERFECT.
I asked this question:
mention one christian from the book of Act of the apostle down to the book of revelation who has paid tithe?
You know christianity started from the book of act (act 1:15).
That old testament or old covenant(including Malachi) was another religion entirely called Judaism (the religion of the Jews or Israelites) .

This is why i say you have failed.

Adeboye and oyedepo who understand scriptures far more than you, what do you think that makes them remain mute when Daddy freeze challenges them to debate?
Because daddy freeze has exposed their trick, they cannot defend reasons for christian tithing using scriptures.

That right there, is part of the WHY
analize701 wants to know for what reason or purpose was tithe mentioned in Hebrews Chapter Seven
Tithe by providence and/or the Holy Spirit's shrewdness, was actually mentioned just and only six times in the Chapter

Well its partly because, if not all or most, some clearly uninformed Hebrews, were ignorantly paying or giving tithes

plainbibletruth:
Instead of looking at WHAT in the book of Hebrews maybe you should be looking at WHO.

For example, WHO is the most important person in the book of Hebrews? Why is he so? What is UNIQUE about him?

I hope you know what UNIQUE stands for.
Is this WHO at par with any other person? And then; Is the system, principles, order, whatever else you may call it, which he has and brings at the same level or at completely different and higher level than any other previous ones?

This line of approach may give you a BETTER PICTURE of all that the book of Hebrews is talking about.

analize701:
Are you trying to change my OP for me?
Am not daft not to know what i want.
I want to talk about Hebrews Chpt 7 and WHY, not WHAT,
WHY the Holy Spirit bring Tithe into the teaching.
Pls follow my OP and don't try to change it.

Poster wasnt trying to change your OP for you
Poster is saying, you'll get the WHY, simply from knowing the WHAT, that's all
Poster wasnt suggesting anything about daftness nor nothing about you not knowing what you want

If it will help, to again, talk about the why, then so be it

Earlier asked you to first, establish:
1) Who was Hebrews written?
2) Why was Hebrews written to these particular and peculiar people?
3) What was Paul trying to acheive with writing in detail and at a persuasive length?
4) Later on, had to ask you to take out your KJV Bible, open up Hebrews Chapter One.
Look immediately above Chapter 1,
and to please type in here, verbatim, all that is written above Chapter 1 immediately before the chapter narrative begins

Now before, the why, how many times, was tithe, mentioned in Hebrews Chater 7?
Please keep in mind the symbolic representation, meaning and/or significance of the number, after giving your answer

Let's continue when you're ready, as the ball is now in your court to serve...

paxonel:
When pastors tell church members if you don't pay tithe then you are robbing God, what do you call that?
Is that not compulsory attempt not to continue robbing God by giving on the side of the giver?

There are things that pastors will say that are indirect, but we all know the meaning.

analize701:
Lolzzz. This thread is not for Children pls.
If you do not know that said that by Himself, then you shs take your tears somewhere else.

Will a man rob God?
Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Malachi:3:8

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Malachi:3:9

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts,
if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Malachi:3:10

Pls take your fight to God who threatened you. See who God go threaten, bacteria better pass you before God.

If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts,
I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings:
yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Malachi:2:2

Weytin you go do now, fight am?

Goshen360:
1. Malachi is not talking to believers who Christ died for
2. Believers are not cursed with the curses of the law
3. Flying scriptures around by just quoting doesn't equal to sound doctrines.
Leave scriptures in its right context and dispensation.
That's one of your errors.

And he said unto them,
Take heed, and beware of covetousness:
for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
- Luke 12:15

My brother, the thing fit tire pesin ooo
These everytime strong desire to possess something, especially like, claiming scriptures that's belongs to and is talking to another people
It makes one, keep saying, if all that's written up there by our sister, isnt or wasnt covetousness, then dont know what to call it

analize701:
Lolz.
So Other Epitles are written to Christians
but Hebrews is written to a particular set of people because it contains Tithe which some people stand against?
Yeah right

Why wasnt I surprised at this statement
If that isnt covetousness, I dont know what to call it

analize701, I had warned you that the standards are high
and that's all because it is you, so please take note, and start be thinking on your feet

Take out your KJV Bible, open up Hebrews Chapter One.
Now look immediately above Chapter 1, can you please type in here, verbatim, all that is written above Chapter 1 immediately before its narrative begins?

analize701:
If we shd go by this your logic, nothing in the Bible will concern me, a black heathen Nigerian

When it concerns you, you'll know
Why are you exaggerating?
So you think Acts 13:1 was happenstance, and that it decoratively just happened to be in the Bible?

analize701:
The Opening of Hebrews shows that, the epistle is not directed at a particular people sir.
Hebrews:1: 1-2
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Reading all of it shows that everyone who takes a stand under the umbrella of Jesus is to adhere to the teachings, instructions, correction and rebuke given by the Holy Spirit here

You've definitely changed your tune after finding out the answer to my question request above

analize701:
i don't understand this.

You don't understand?
Ah, remember that famous: ''You need the spirit of God in you before you can fully understand and interpret His word'' cliche

Well, most believers, already have the spirit of God in or on them (i.e. already have ''the Filling Of The Holy Spirit'')
but the thing is, most havent grown out to fill into and fill up the spirit of God they have in or on
Most need to ''beef up or bulk up'' to fill into the Spirit of God issued out

https://s15.postimg.org/y7dmr8ejv/Oversize_Suits.jpg
The spirit of God is like the shoes and clothes seen put on in the above picture
For some of us, the shoes and clothes are limp, hanging or swinging loosely on us because we havent GROWN to fill and snug fit into the ''shoes'' and ''suit''

Due to this not bulking up and when the ''shoes'' and ''suit'' arent tight or close-fitting, there would be issues with mobility
Progressing or moving from one truth or revelation to another, will be impeded by the hanging and loosely fitting ''shoes'' and ''suit'' spirit of God

We shouldnt be a sieve, shouldnt be a porous basket, shouldnt be a punctured nylon bag to receiving, like water, the Holy Spirit

Mind you, the indwelling (i.e. presence) of the Spirit happens at every believers' conversion,
however the infilling of the Spirit (i.e. the pouring) happens continually,
hence the need for growth, to beef or bulk up, in order to fill up, so to tightly fit into the poured out Holy Spirit

Create in me a clean heart, O God;
and renew a right spirit within me.
- Psalm 51:10

analize701:
Let me who doesn't know be tutored now. lol.

So long as we are still alive, we will keep talking about it, after us, our Children will still talk about it.

Let me know why Tithe no linger hold water.

OK, I'll reiterate.
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of ecclesiastical taxed, obligatory or imposed tithing

analize701:
Tithing is not GIVING.
We don't give Tithe. we Pay it. So, pls get me to this better understanding

Let's step back, is it possible to pay, without giving?

Tithing, whether voluntary, taxed, mandantory or obligatory are all giving
however, not all giving, is tithe
Do you know why?
It is because giving, can be in various or other percentages, apart from 10% (i.e. a tenth or tithe)

analize701:
Let's carry on with this recognition, consideration or worthwhile repute. lol.

I've long realised your attention span to long posts is very short
This explains why you're unable to make the connection off my initial and detailed post

analize701:
Fine by me @bolded

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analize701:
Go ahead considerations, that's why we are here. lol.

All have been there, done it, bought and got the T-shirt
All, have previously worn the taxed, mandatory or obligatory give tithe T-shirt out

analize701:
Who said i'm stuck on my ways?

Prove me wrong then

analize701:
I need us have a discussion using the scriptures before us

That is exactly what I am doing,
That is exactly what I intend to do
That is exactly what I will be doing

analize701:
I must not accept what you'd say and vise versa,
but that doesn't stop us from having a discussion which will benefit someone.

I will accept what and all you say
but you can bet your bottom dollar that I will examine or inspect closely and thoroughly every word of them

I earlier remarked: "It is about recognition, considerable or worthwhile repute"
I know you scratched your head over that statement

analize701:
I thanked him because I could not have answered any better than he did. So, yes, i agree with him

analize701:
So, let's do what the Bereans did. lol

OK, then we have to first, establish who was Hebrews written?
Why was Hebrews written to these particular and peculiar people?
What was Paul trying to acheive with writing in detail and at a persuasive length?

analize701:
The last time i checked, the Holy Spirit was given to the Church, not a race of a particular group of persons or an individual

The Holy Spirit pours into the capacity put out for it to pour into

analize701:
I decided not to read those threads So pls, Lets talk as Christians here.

I was just saying, those that know, know that Hebrews 7 has been thrashed and thoroughly fleshed out numerous times here
as in the course of the countless tithe healthy dialogues and conversations, Hebrews 7 has always cropped up

Posters over the years, have talked over thoroughly, this tithe topic,
of which views or arguments put forward concerning taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe no longer holds water
All in order to reach all, so all reach a good decision and/or better understanding of giving

analize701:
If Hebrews 7 is not about Tithing pls tell me why you thing it was brought in there

Very good question.
It is about recognition, considerable or worthwhile repute
You're so doggedly stuck in your ways, I am not sure you're ready for this or prepared to face truth

petra1:
That was only an aspect of Abraham tithing. That doesn’t mean he did it only once.

ROTBL, unfortunately, it does mean, he tithed only once

petra1:
Did Jacob fight a war to be a tither

Nope, Jacob did take up arms to fight battles or war
so Jacob had no reason to carry out the custom tithe, that his grandfather Abraham did

petra1:
Genesis 28:21-22
. . .all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

⁹And so to speak, Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham.
¹⁰For when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the loin of his ancestor.…
- Hebrews 7-9-10

If you in tune with Hebrews 7-9-10 properly, the penny will drop concerning Genesis 28:21-22
that just as Levi could give tithe whilst in Abraham's loin
so will the Israelites, whilst in Jacob's loins, will 430 years plus later, be taking up arms to fight to win the Promise land
and later on be giving tithes, hence Jacob isnt personally giving tithe but is giving tithe as a nation

petra1:
Tithe is simply 10th of what God has blessed you with

Let's please tread softly ooo
Petra1, please is its only God that asks for the 10th

petra1:
You made a good point and I agree with that . Let truth preveail

There is no comparison .There are different kinds of givings with different kinds of blessing . For example the law says to live long take care of your parents . It’s a principle . It goes beyond the law . Same as tithing .

It pre existed the law . Abraham tithe to melchi was not food stuff .It can be food it can be livestock’s it’s a choice

It doesn’t have to be money . If I receive 10 cars I can give one of money equivalent

You said so . Tithes is to worship God as well as offering and as well as prayer , fasting which one is pursuing God ?

That’s a free will offering . Its nothing new. It’s in the Old Testament too.

Jesus says to tithe .

analize701:
Thank you sir.

What parts are you thanking Petra1 to
Are you saying you concur to his entire post?

analize701:
I'm glad you are here.
I read your post about all manner or kinds of Tithes. Now, Paul mentioned Tithe in Hewbrew chpt 7,
Can we ex-ray it?

I love Berean x-ray examinations

analize701:
What was the Holy Spirit trying to tell us there?

The correct question to ask is:
What was the Holy Spirit trying to tell the Hebrews (i.e. the Jews, aka the Israelites, King Agrippa etcetera) there

analize701:
From all the Tithes discussions I have read here, no one seems to want to talk about Hebrews 7.

Where is Ubenedictus?

My sister, the ground is full, with what posters over the years on this forum, have talked about Hebrews 7
Tithe was not, and is not, the priority of Hebrews 7

OkaiCorne:
I've never heard of the Synod of Macon.
Please what's a summary of what it's about?

I'll check online in the time being.

The Synod of Macon is where and when the deliberations on taxing "Christians" 10% of their financial income, took place.

There was an earlier Synod, years before the Macon one
but I can't from top of my head remember it's name.

OkaiCorne:
I must admit, your response is well researched and robust.
Hope you don't mind help me with scriptural references on the forms of tithes stated there so I can study further

List the ones you know and the scriptural references
and the ones you want dont know and want the scriptural references

OkaiCorne:
Just to add...
is ecclesiastical tithing in a Christian gathering supported in the scriptures?

Jah bless you

No, it isn't.
Have you ever heard about the synod of Macon?

analize701:
Pls, if you come in here and are interested in presenting your points, pls do so with scriptures not empty baseless points. thank you

As a Christian, should i pay Tithe?
and to who?

The only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) are given
1) at pagan temples to priest(s) (note extra biblical references will be provided upon request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note bible references will be provided upon request)
3) to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war


1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing,
as a form of contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means

In fact, it's tithing subtle difference, is that it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably
So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means,
I technically have given a tithe,
Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving
but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing
because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money (i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the ammount or percentage, you willingly decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

Anyone giving imposed tithing is practising a religion, that God our Father doesnt accept as pure and faultless

Correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

analize701:
This question will follow another question which will lead me to answering the question. The question is, As a Christian, am i a Seed of Abraham?

What does Gal 3: 7, 9 say? Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Now, as Seeds of Abraham by virtue of our Faith in Christ, are we, or should we be partakers of the Promise made to Him by YHWH?

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Galatians:3:8-9

The above Scripture says, I'm Justified by Faith to be a Seed of Abraham.

As Children and Seeds of Abraham through faith in Christ, are we included in the ordinances of the Covenant made by God with Abraham?

Is Tithing One of such ordinances?

Was Tithing part of the law of Moses? Or, Did Tithing originate with Levi?

Tithing is not part of the law given to Moses, Precedes and transcends the Dispensation of the Law given to Moses.

Tithing began here and Levi or Moses wasn't born yet.
Genesis:14:18-20
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Levi who was given the office of the priesthood to take Tithes was a third generation descendant of Abraham who Paid Tithe to Melchizedek the High Priest of the Most High God.

Who was Melchizedek?

Where did he come from to take Tithe from Abraham?

Where did he go after that? because no one ever heard of him again after that.

It says, he was the King of Salam. Where was this kingdom of salem?

Was it an Earthly Kingdom?

Salem means peace. So, he was the King of Peace.

Abraham paid Tithe to this High Priest, and that act was recognised by YHWH, long before Levi the great grand son of Abraham was born.

TO BE CONT.

analize701:
Tithing gives you security against satan,
but satan wants you exposed to him,
hence the attempt to confuse you and keep you from paying your Tithe.

YOU DON'T GIVE TITHE, IT'S NOT A OFFERING, IT'S A DEBT, IT'S A COMMAND by God,
it is an everlasting ordinance. It doesn't stop as the Priesthood of Christ doesn't stop.
Shalom.

CC: Ubendictus
Okaicorne, i decided to open a thread so, pls come in here lets talk.

ask all your questions with the Bible as the base.

Thanks.

I am sorry to say, there is an awful lot of empty rhetoric written all over this post
and I believe the reason is due to the low understanding of the meaning ""no one knew Melchizedek birth or death
low understanding of why it was Melchizedek, Abraham opted to give the spoils of war tithe to
low understanding of the customary law behind the tithe Abraham gave
low understanding of the circumstances of how the Levi got given the office of the priesthood
Lots of low understanding

There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes,
your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings,
and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks.
- Deuteronomy 12:6

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
- Malachi 3:8

Of course, tithing is not offering, if it was, there wont be a distinction btween them, in Deuteronomy 12:6 and Malachi 3:8
Tithing, especially taxed, mandatory or obligatory tithe, DOES NOT give you security against satan
Even voluntary tithing doesnt do that
Placing yourselves under God's authority and resisting the satan, is the security against and/or for satan running away from you

And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
- Genesis 35:12

And the LORD said unto him,
This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying,
I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
- Deuteronomy 34:4

Jacob did not tithe
Jacob did not tithe because it was going to be the Israelite that wasn't born yet who will do the tithing
The seed from which the Israelites came was in Jacob's body
It is this seed 430 years plus later who will take up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war to have the land

The format of how the tithe vow will be claimed by God took a different turn because of the Israelite's flagrant and offending golden calf misbehaviour

It was under the present circumstances, that Jesus says to tithe, not after
The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, that they tithe
but when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility for them to do it, is no longer required

No principle of faith about tithing or to tithe was revealed through Abraham.
Abraham, simply was following a custom practice that needed to be carried after successful win(s) of fighting a battle or war

Jesus, in in Matthew 23:23, wasnt and didnt say give ecclesiastical tithe

Ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income