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petra1:
I’ve seen this funny article before

You ignored the realities in the article
and saw it only as "this funny article"?

petra1:
God wasn’t talking to priest last but a nation

My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father.
He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.
-1 John 2:1
SMH,
Jesus the real SAN, the real Senior Advocate of Nazareth will tell you different
He will advise you that God was talking to priest last but a nation

petra1:
I hope if I have time to do a thread on it

When or if you get time to do the thread on it,
you better be on firm ground because I WILL find time to unceasingly and intensely be on the thread too

Jacksonville:
Look who's talking, you don't even know what it means to be religious

I doubt you really know the meaning of religious.
but never mind, you will have an epiphany, if/when I cite you perfect examples of being religious

Jacksonville:
You were quick to judge by relating this scenario to that of the widow's who sowed the last she had. Extrapolating from the scriptures

Much to learn, you still have, my dear friend

Why are you pretending that you understand that scripture when you dont?

You were quick to counter the post and remark I made, which were based on what I saw, heard and noticed in the video pasted to the OP
Typical reaction to put a foot when you do not understand

Truthful posts will stir up a guilty conscious every time!
Don't blame your guilty conscience on me

Jacksonville:
Jesus taught his disciples from that scene 'the art of giving with a sacrificial heart no matter how little' ...

Is that really so?

Jacksonville:
You shouldn't be prejudicial because you know nothing or less about the individuals whom anonymously donated to the ministry.
Do you know if the one that gave the million dollar was his capital and he forfeited it for kingdom business?
Or do you know if the one who donated little gave a pinch from the amass wealth he/she had acquired?

The theatrical display

Jacksonville:
Who are you to speak ILL of God's servants?

Jesus is ALWAYS on the scribes' & Pharisees' case, criticising them at every available opportunity

Jacksonville:
If the Lord has put it in the heart of these people to do good to the ministry by donating,
then they should rejoice because the Lord has done a good thing.
If the Lord does more, they should even rejoice more and more and dance..
All that matters is the heart of the giver..
Jesus discerned the heart of the poor woman and knew she gave her last.
Her reward is in heaven. The same Lord knows the heart of they that give...

Beware of the Scribes
³⁸And he said unto them in his doctrine,
Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
³⁹And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
⁴⁰Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

The Poor Widow
⁴¹And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
⁴²And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
⁴³And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them,
Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
⁴⁴For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living
- Mark 12:38-44 KJV

If you REALLY did understand the Luke 21:3-4 or Mark 12:43-44 widow narration clearly,
you would have known that the widow narration actually started from Mark 12:38-40,
with Mark 12:40 being the heart of the narration before continuing on to Mark 12:41-44

Now the questions, you want to ask yourself, are these:
#1 Where from, do you suppose the widow learned to drop ALL her money into the treasury box?
#2 Who would you suspect has been teaching the widow to drop ALL her money into the treasury box?
#3 Do you see a pattern how it is done then in biblical times and how it's done now in modern day times?
#4 Do you see all these religious leaders according to Mark 12:40, will receive harsher punishment?
(i.e. they will be punished most severely)

Jacksonville:
shalom..

"There is no peace," says my God, "for the wicked."
- Isaiah 57:21
shalom..?
The only word that comes to mind is hypocrite.

Amberon11:
keep quiet. you will not slump if an unknown person gives you one million dollars right?
but will you faint if given one dollar? mtcheeww..

How ironic, it is that instincts are refusing and running exactly opposite from facing reality

I know, you too, like Jacksonville above,
think you understand what you thought I wrote
but I am not sure you realize that the way you read it, is not what I typed

You can see and read from above Mark 12:38-44,
how Jesus in that teaching, started with:
''Beware of the scribes (i.e. one learned in the Jewish Law, a religious teacher) ....''
then Jesus went to sit facing the temple offering box,
and watched how much money people put into it.
Many rich people put in large amounts, possibly equivalents of today's $1,000,000
but Jesus didnt shriek with excitement nor slump

Now consider, if in the same circumstance with Benny Hinn,
Jesus was to casually turn up, just for a snap visit, what in that TV programme, will Jesus do?

Ken4Christ:
There is constructive criticism.
Criticizing and insulting men of God at the same time is not right.

Oh, so you know about what is right?
Hmm, interesting... SMH

Ken4Christ:
And you now talk as if all men of God are the same

Remember up above, I wrote:
"pastors" who are doing the right thing are few and far in between

Ken4Christ:
If this is your submission, then God has failed to raise a faithful servant for himself.
Why not volunteer to be one of his servant and set the example for others to follow.

We can start going round in circles, seems that is what you like

Jacksonville:
How would he know if the sender is a widow or not?

It went over your head I guess.
There are countless senders who donate small figures,
which individually and comparable to the $1,000,000, is actually more
but Benny Him doesn't slump over theirs

Jacksonville:
Stop being religious

My friend, I am glad you know the meaning of religious.
I can cite you perfect examples of being religious that you're aware of

Nwodosis:
The pastors are fighting back to save the means of their livelihood! But we all know the Truth that tithe is a fraud as we are neither Israelites nor Levites.

Thank you ojaare

salvation101:
well going with ur logic, all of Jesus teachings are only for the Israelite cos for all the years he was on earth he spoke to only ppl in Israel but Paul the apostle said we are now the Israel of God in christ whether jews or gentiles

Which tribe of Israel are you now then?
Mention a name, just mention one of the tribes of Israel you have become part of
It is difficult to name one, isn't it?
You know why you can't give a name of the tribe?
It is difficult because you have misquoted and misinterpreted that scripture, all to validate tithing by aligning tithe giving with it

It is like a white person who has naturalised as a Nigerian, trying to claim to be Ibo, Yoruba, Hausa or any ethnic group in Naija.
The adoption doesn't make such person to be a Yoruba, Ibo, Hausa etcetera, same as being now Israel if God doesn't make you or anyone be a Levite or other tribes in Israel

petra1:
Beautiful analogy.
If tithing is only for the Jew
then alms giving, fasting, prayer, offering,
is only for the Jews.
That’s what I’ve been trying to comunicate . Why will Satan single out the tithe.
It only confirms the spiritual importance of the tithe

Satan doesn't give a rats arse over singly out the tithe
and so only confirms the lack of spiritual importance of the tithe

What is giving Satan sleepless nights, is the fear of people becoming aware of the revolutionary way of giving, which at all times, is devoid of a fixed percentage or tithe

Nothing personal.
I need to correct a lie.
I wonder why some, don’t want others to see the error when and where they are being misled and demanded to give tithe

There is no must in giving, talkless of a must to give tithe.

It is nowhere written, to say exactly how much must be given or must be done.

It however, is written, that, without prejudice, you give how much you have decided in your heart,
that you give what you are pleased with and won't be sorrowful about it at the end of or after the giving

The percentage you give is not fixed or stipulated.
You can decide to give 1%,
Or decide to give 10% today, as in 10% equals a tenth or tithe.
Decide to give half or 50% tomorrow,
Decide to give all or 100%, the following day.
Decide to give nothing or 0% another day
Decide to give 1% again some other day

As we can see, there is nothing fixed.
Giving is not cast in a tithe or 10% stone.
Anyone that tells you different,
has a low understanding of each tithe mentions in the bible, particularly the tithe Abraham performed
and doesn't appreciate the revolutionary way of giving for the purpose of the Kingdom

Joyphoenix:
Pastor still dey give tithe?

petra1:
A pastor who does business gives tithe
A pastor who has a job gives tithe
A pastor who receives stipends from church must still give tithe from the stipends

Nothing personal.
I need to correct a lie.
I wonder why some, don’t want others to see the error when and where they are being misled and demanded to give tithe

There is no must in giving, talkless of a must to give tithe.

It is nowhere written, to say exactly how much must be given or must be done.

It however, is written, that, without prejudice, you give how much you have decided in your heart, you give what you are please with and won't be sorrowful about it at the end of or after the giving

The percentage you give is not fixed or stipulated.
You can decide to give 1%,
Or decide to give 10% today, as in 10% equals a tenth or tithe.
Decide to give half or 50% tomorrow,
Decide to give all or 100%, the following day.
Decide to give nothing or 0% another day
Decide to give 1% again some other day

As we can see, there is nothing fixed.
Giving is not cast in a tithe or 10% stone.
Anyone that tells you different,
has a low understanding of each tithe mentions in the bible, particularly the tithe Abraham performed
and doesn't appreciate the revolutionary way of giving for the purpose of the Kingdom

Ken4Christ:
Remember Aaron and Miriam who spoke against Moses

Gotten used to reading you misinterpret same bible narratives, seasoned Bible students have interpreted correctly

Ken4Christ:
Miriam became leprous.
Go on and criticize.
When judgment comes on you, you will seek for deliverance.

Criticize and be damned, you mean?
If Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now,
please tell, what do you suppose Jesus would do?

Pussitto:
World renowned televangelists Pastor Benny hinn and pastor Chris
both partner in building a Christian network "loveworldusa" as partners have started sewing already.
One amazing thing happened as pastor Benny hinn couldn't hold himself
as he kept on fainting after a Nigerian sowed $1,000,000 into the cable network.
The more you criticise the more people give to God
h t tps://youtu.be/J0PwFgqpgzw

petra1:
Daddy freez and antitithers will faint !!!!!

³"I tell you the truth," Jesus said,
"this poor widow has given more than all the rest of them Nigerian who sowed $1,000,000
⁴For they have given a tiny part of their surplus, but she, poor as she is, has given everything she has."
- Luke 21:3-4

Benny Hinn slumps after a Nigerian sowed $1,000,000 into his ministry but doesnt slump when poor widows etcetera give. SMH
Money will turn men into ....
One day, everything will make perfect sense.

Ken4Christ:
Fighting against Pastors who exploit doesn't mean you have to ask people to completely withdraw their support.

I am glad you accept and agree that some, if not most "pastors" exploit,
however no one is fighting against these "pastors" without provocation

Doesn't mean you have to ask people to completely withdraw their support from what?
Do you mean dont completely withdraw their support from being exploited and thought of as sheep to be slaughtered?

Ken4Christ:
What about Pastors who are doing the right things?

"pastors" who are doing the right thing are few and far in between

Ken4Christ:
If those Pastors are called by God, let God judge them.

Tithes have come to be more important than the "weightier matters of the Law"
so we now have to disregard the lack of justice, fairness and the love of God
and not talk about what is causing it and any perpetrating it?

Ken4Christ:
Romans 14:4.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.
Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

As a self-confessed/self-acclaimed "thorough Bible student who don't just make comments" sic
you are, the perfect pretender to the throne
When people quote a text out of context, they are nine times out of ten, quoting it under pretext
What is the relevance of Romans 14:4 to this matter?
You have just implied that Romans 14:4, is testament of the liberty, to exploit others and be quiet about it

You've implied, dont speak out for the downtrodden,
dont speak out for those financially exploited or treated badly by "pastors" in power
According to you, all this, is a free-for-all because of Romans 14:4
How did you manage, again, to misinterpret another scripture to an understanding that is not correct?

ScepticalPyrrho:
none of your quotes shows that tithe were money, rather they strengthen my argument

petra1:
Be decent enough to acknowledge where you missed as scripture is presented to you
not being evasive and jumping into a new topic.
You question was not about tithes being money .

Tithe could be money and produce.
Farmers have the option of giving money value.
It’s called redemption.

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

If you want to buy back the LORD's tenth of the grain or fruit,
you must pay its value, plus 20 percent
- Leviticus 27:31

Yes, tithe always is given on agricultural produce (i.e. of the grain or fruit and animal stock)

Now, its only, if for some reason best known to self, one doesnt want to tithe a particular grain, fruit and/or animal stock
then such person, can buy back the particular grain, fruit and/or animal stock at it's monetary face value

The person, not only buys back the tithe at its apparent worth
but must also pay a surcharge, which is an additional payment of 20 percent of the apparent worth

So in order to keep the agricultural produce (i.e. of the grain or fruit and animal stock) for self instead of tithing it
there is that provision, to buy it back (i.e. called redemption as it's being redeemed) with an additional 20% penalty

There is no such thing as a free lunch
Paying tithe as money or in money, comes with a 20% surcharge price penalty

In effect, for choosing not to give the expected tithe,
one ends up, paying in money, the apparent worth of the expected tithe, plus an additional 20 percent of the apparent worth

petra1:
People also give from Sales or other income
Luke 18:12 (MSG)
12 I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income.'
Luke 18:12 (DARBY)
12 I fast twice in the week, I tithe everything I gain.

And who were these people, who "also give from Sales or other income"?
Yup, it was the Pharisees
The Pharisees are well known for their supererogation

Other Israelites paid their tithes on agricultural produce and livestock (i.e. these are which alone tithe was due)
but the Pharisees would give in to unnecessary and misplaced excessiveness
Paying tithes on things, which the law strictly doesnt stipulate and/or nor require, such as milk, cheese, eggs, pot herbs etcetera

You wouldnt find any of the apostles doing these extremes
or other disciples of Jesus Christ talking or boasting about performing the unrequired extremes of Luke 18:12

Ken4Christ:
Your act of benevolence is very scriptural and should also be emphasized.
But you also need to send regular support to your local church.
It is not compulsory it must be 10%. It can be more

Conversely, it can be less too

Ken4Christ:
but anything less is giving sparingly

Anything less isnt necessarily sparingly
It is what that person honestly is able to afford to give at such circumstance

Ken4Christ:
Those who have grown in the grace of giving don't limit themselves to 10%

You are completely wrong
We all have different levels of grace, God knows this and so accepts anything
so therefore no amount you give is too small to God

Ken4Christ:
The tithe is the starting point.

Any percentage can be used as a starting point for giving.

Ken4Christ:
I don't have problems with the story and personal revelation of who Jesus is.
He is my Lord and personal Saviour. It is however not the subject of this thread

Fair do's

Ken4Christ:
You support Daddy Freeze in his anti Tithe Crusades

You cant see the wood for the tithe-trees

Freeze is not anti-tithe, same way, he is not opposed to the law of gravity
Freeze' crusade is not anti-tithe but is a crusade against the exploitation of people in the guise of tithe

Ken4Christ:
But I have proved to you that Jesus wants us to give much more even up to 100% of what we have

SMH. Except for proving you're becoming good at making gaffes after gaffes
you've proved nada that Jesus wants us to give much more even up to 100% of what we have

Ken4Christ:
Challenge me on this submission with Scriptures.

If you have intimate knowledge of Jesus' modus operandi,
you wouldnt be using that single incident as a one-size-fits-all approach for every believer

JMAN05:
I have no cure for ur ailment. sorry.

PastorAIO:
Abeg, let me just park this here, if you don't mind. I go come collect am later.

h t tp s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU5pRwKH-kk

PastorAIO I can't believe you'll go this low to play gutter dirty.

Is it because JMAN05 said, he's sorry, he had no cure for your ailment that you went to go and dig this up, in order to get even with him?

The ailment featured in the video permeates right across every sphere of life; religious, irreligious or indifferent.

Abeggy, comot am, go park elsewhere.
Or else I go blow you whistle ooo

petra1:
God revealed the principle of tithing through Abraham

Nothing could be further from the truth that this remark

petra1:
It has been part of God worship ever since.

Please give each instances of when it has been part of God worship ever since along with the names of each practitioners?

petra1:
The law brought a reminder
Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

SMH
Another popular misconception based on faulty thinking and/or understanding

Abraham, we know, paid tithe, and the Israelites, we know too, paid tithes;

Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, aside who Abraham paid tithe to, we also know when, where and how.
The Israelites paid tithes to the Levites, aside who the Israelites paid tithe to, we also we know when, where and how.

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

Kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow please
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to?

God, after so many fighting battles and winning wars, has finally now given the promise land He told Jacob about to the Israelities
(i.e. descendants of Jacob)

What Leviticus 27:30 and the law actually did, was bringing about a reminder of the vow Jacob made
and since God has completely fulfilled His promise
the time for the promise Jacob made in Genesis 28:22b is now ready to be activated and/or fulfilled

petra1, after over 400 years plus, God, in Leviticus 27:30, is state a fact and now formally requesting or demanding what is due Him

Ken4Christ:
Jesus couldn't have collected any money because he was not a Pastor in the Bible days

Jesus collected any money alright
but he didnt collected tithe nor any money as a substitute for tithe

Jesus because He didnt qualify to give tithe, didnt give tithe.

While I was with them, I protected them and guarded them by Your name, the name You gave Me.
Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled
- John 17:12

And may the God of peace, who brought again from the dead the great pastor of the sheep, our Lord Jesus Christ, in the blood of the everlasting testament,
- Hebrews 13:20

You see John 17:12 above?
How can you make another gaffe saying "Jesus was not a Pastor in the Bible days"?
Did you really type that? SMH

Ken4Christ:
But he collected gifts worth more than tithe.

And he is presently receiving tithe as a high priest after the order of Melchizedec.

Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:
notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he
- Matthew 11:11

If Matthew 11:11 is properly understood, you wont be making unscrupulous and unsupported generalizations, like the one above

Ken4Christ:
Read the sermon on the Mount of our Lord Jesus in Matthew chapter five from verse 31 to 44.
Jesus made a few references to the old Testament but gave different instructions. What does that imply to you.?

Jesus' instructions implied rise above the letter of the law.
So your point is?

Ken4Christ:
The old Testament instructions are different in most areas compared with what Jesus taught.
We live under grace and the old testament is based on laws

Of course, this is absolutely correct

Ken4Christ:
So, we can't follow all the instructions contained in the Bible.
Only that which is consistent with the teachings of our Lord and his Apostles

Yes, that is true, because it is whatever Jesus has commanded we follow.

felixomor:
Sharrap, Anencephalic one!

dalaman:
Are you sure you know the meaning of anencephalic? Don't go the parody route ooo. Cos we know you.

felixomor:
Quiet. Just say the word is too big for you.

https://gifyu.com/images/MuttleyDico.gif
I had to look up the big word.
Made use of your profession?
Ha! This is too harsh

felixomor:
Use the link

This is becoming like an "use the link" automated machine

felixomor:
Use the link

Mr "use the link"
Get it copyrighted

felixomor:
Use the link

Have a variety.
You are going to wear thin this "use the link" "use the link" "use the link" becoming boring one liner

felixomor:
Use the link

The link is no good it isn't designed to allow the reader or anyone to exchange information with it.

I can't have a healthy dialogue or conversation with the link like I can have with you

felixomor:
Broken record ko
Use the link

The link is not interactive

felixomor:
Use the link

You're beginning to sound like a broken record Felix

lekkie073:
2. it is totally bad breathing thru the mouth. Dats not the organ for breathing

No, there isn't anything bad breathing out through the mouth

MizMyColi:
Also, I did not mean breathing through the mouth, like you inhale - nose, then exhale - mouth

What you didn't mean, actually is the recommended

Lying flat on your back or standing straight up
then breathing through the mouth,
like as, inhale via nose, with the stomach slowly rising,
hold for at least a count to five
then exhale via the mouth

felixomor:
Use the link

"use the link" "use the link" "use the link"
Frank Edwards, Sinach, Wizkid, Davido... watch out
I anticipate a "use the link" record hit soon

felixomor:
Use the link

If you try to silence someone like you're doing
and balk at having a healthy dialogue and conversation with such person,
it is because you are afraid of what their words will reveal and might achieve

Ken4Christ:
First of all, are you aware that
the word of God we live by in this dispensation is not the contents of the whole Bible?
Answer this question first before I will make further comments.

I don't want answer yet making the assumption that I fully understand the bolded in the question
so if you try and be more explicit with the question, I might be able to answer
and then pass the ball over to you for your turn to kick about

felixomor:
Use the link

It's you that made this assertion and believed in it
Don't know what you're afraid of,
easily defending and explaining it,
instead of all these your clowning around

felixomor:
Use the link

I can't have a dialogue and conversation with the link or whatever other bible scholar articles you shoo me to

You made a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief outside the link, you are here for me to pull up about it and learn.

Now you see why this

felixomor:
Use that link
Or better still use your google

Be original
I can have a healthy dialogue and conversation with you

felixomor:
Jacob paid tithe.
Its undisputed

You refuse to show when, where, how and who Jacob paid tithe to

felixomor:
Continue to fool around.

I bet you were looking in the mirror when you wrote this

felixomor:
On this topic there are even many bible scholar articles on it online
h t t p://www.godward.org/hebrew%20roots/did_abraham_and_jacob_tithe_by_l.htm

"But what about you?" he asked.
"Who do you say I am?" Peter answered,
"You are the Messiah
- Mark 8:29

Felixomor please don't palm me off to bible scholar articles
You see my brother at the end of the day, it's going to boil down to "what about you?"

It's not going to be about what bible scholar articles say, it's going to be but what about you

felixomor:
Keep messing around.

It's you who is messing around when you refuse to talk or reply, when asked to confirm whether you're saying its at or in Genesis 28:22b that Jacob paid tithe.

What is so difficult in saying Yes or No to that question, I just don't see it.

Now without this getting further ridiculous are you going to answer that simple question?

felixomor:
Ode, i have already done that

You thought you did

Ranchhoddas:
I must have missed it then.

When and to whom did Jacob pay his tithe again?

I kept asking that questions
but it looks like water will have to first freeze in hell before I will get a convincing answer

felixomor:
To God,
Who else would it be?

SMH. Tell that to the marines

Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, we know when, where and how.
The Israelites paid tithes to the Levites, we know when, where and how.

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

But when you're asked to kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to, all you're now saying, to Ranchhoddas is "To God, who else would it be?"

The cheese wont kill, attempting to eat it will only make you stronger
You refuse to talk or reply when asked to confirm whether you're saying its at or in Genesis 28:22b that Jacob paid tithe.