Christianity Etc › Re: God And Seun!!! by MuttleyLaff: 5:57am On Mar 30, 2017*. Modified: 6:52am On Mar 30, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: What makes you so sure that he's the one true God? But where there is no faith it is impossible truly to please God for the man who draws near to God must believe that there is a God and that God proves Himself a rewarder of those who earnestly try to find Him- Hebrews 11:6 Reiterating verses such as Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 45:5 and Isaiah 45:18 earlier mentioned on page 0 and John 14:6 recently mentioned on this page, shows God making irrefutable self declarative statements about the Godhead, Godship and/or Godhood being the one true GodSincerity and having a right useful purpose to know the one true God, goes a long way in giving anyone this conviction CatfishBilly: Because a work of fiction told you so? 19What can be known about God is clear to them because God has made it clear to them (i.e. people know the truth about God because God has made it obvious to them) 20For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see His invisible qualities --His eternal power and His eternal Godhead (i.e. divine nature) So they have no excuse for not knowing God- Roman 1:19-20 No, not because a work of fiction or any other for that matter, told me so. You however can say, suprarational knowledge ''told me'' so By the way, if anyone is told there is one true God, then this ought to reinforce the ''a one and true God'' fact that you would have already been aware of (i.e. knowledge of the existence of a one and true God emanating from intuition and innate capability or sense) CatfishBilly: What if you die and at the pearly Gates, you discover that Odin is the one true god and Thor is his begotten son? And this is the way to have eternal life - to know you God, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth- John 17:3 After the grim reaper visit and when you cross that bridge, you'll eventually discover that, God is, as real as the god of Nairaland however will also find out that Odin and Thor are truly tales from Greek mythology, believed by many but actually arent true |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Seun!!! by MuttleyLaff: 8:32am On Mar 29, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: If by now, you've not recognized that FSM is a humorous play on the Abrahamic religions, then, you know now. FSM, The Bible, The Koran, they are all works of fiction. FSM is imaginary alright whether the imaginary FSM and/or any other god elsewhere Yahweh, the God in the Bible is exalted far above all other gods, |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Seun!!! by MuttleyLaff: 8:11am On Mar 29, 2017 |
highscript: don't quote that shit for us here . Its a book of lies ......give us real life examples MuttleyLaff: Would you rather I quote a FSM or Zeus book? CatfishBilly: By all means. https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gifState an unashamed frank, open and unreserved statement about creation made by the FSM or Zeus that is/are on a par with any declaration or all statements God has made |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Seun!!! by MuttleyLaff: 7:19am On Mar 29, 2017 |
highscript: don't quote that shit for us here . Its a book of lies ......give us tea life examples Would you rather I quote a FSM or Zeus book? |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Seun!!! by MuttleyLaff: 5:57am On Mar 29, 2017*. Modified: 6:16am On Mar 29, 2017 |
urheme: prove this and prove that......don't you guys ever get tired 
 ikbnice: Religion wants you to accept concepts dogmatically while atheists want proof to everything. So, both can never reach a consensus on the matter. It is what it is. Provided one understands a self-evident declaration or proposition, then consensus on any matter can easily be reached By the way, look up James 1:27, to read on what is true religion. Also, atheists have a wisdom problem, when its about God, and that's why both Psalm 14:1a and Psalm 53:1a ridicules and dismisses the wisdom of atheists concerning their irreverence to God Seun: But which is more reasonable? Would you rather have a friend who reasons with you when you disagree on various issues in order to come to a consensus on what is really true, or a friend who insists that you must accept every silly idea that pops into his head without any proof? "Come now, and let us reason together," says Yahweh: "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow. Though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.- Isaiah 1:18 Submit your case," (i.e. present the case for your idols) says Yahweh. "Bring forth your strong reasons," (i.e. set forth your arguments, let your idols show what they can do,) says the King of Jacob.- Isaiah 41:21 Jesus, said to him, ''I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.”- John 14:6 Just like in the Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 45:5 and Isaiah 45:18 verses earlier mentioned on page 0, God always makes irrefutable self declarative statements about the Godhead, Godship and/or Godhood |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Seun!!! by MuttleyLaff: 9:38pm On Mar 27, 2017*. Modified: 9:57pm On Mar 27, 2017 |
bingbagbo: God (Yahweh) is the creator of all things Seun: You lost me there, in your first sentence. What makes you believe that Yahweh is the creator of all things? Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb: "I am Yahweh, who makes all things; who alone stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth by myself;- Isaiah 44:24 I am Yahweh, I have no peer, there is no God but me. I arm you for battle, even though you do not recognize me- Isaiah 45:5 For thus says Yahweh who created the heavens, the God who formed the earth and made it, who established it and didn't create it a waste, who formed it to be inhabited: "I am Yahweh; and there is no other.- Isaiah 45:18 |
Celebrities › Re: VIDEO: Dino Melaye Mocks All Haters After The VC Confirms That He Graduated by MuttleyLaff: 8:58pm On Mar 27, 2017 |
Ebal: VIDEO: Dino Melaye Mocks All haters after the VC Confirms That he Graduated from of ABU
Senator Dino Melaye Mocks All haters after the VC Confirms That he Graduated from of ABU, Zaria
h t tp://ebalsblog..co.uk/2017/03/video-sen-dino-melaye-mocks-all-haters.html
h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lDa1aR-QGs&feature Dino never ceases to impress me with his light entertainment and comedies That Yoruba taunting battle cry song and the ''oobi'' stare is sick |
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Christianity Etc › Re: New Laws For Christians? by MuttleyLaff: 10:44am On Mar 26, 2017*. Modified: 11:34am On Mar 26, 2017 |
SHOPPERS: I was considering Hebrews 10:1 over the night and I discovered a very simple but scary truth. "The law..... Can never....... make perfect those who draw near to worship." Heb. 10:1 NIV . . Now that seems clear enough but the problem is with the fact that our Church leaders abandoned the said old testament laws and came up with new ones. Still, the same truth applies, No law no matter how repackaged can ever make perfect those who draw near to worship. . It is unjustifiable to assume that some part of the old laws are right and keep to them while others can be done away with. Churches just pick whichever ones suit them and modify it. Still, Christianity as one man of God clearly explained is not about dos and don'ts. It is about done, done, done! Christ has done it all. No matter the amount of good you do, it just won't qualify you, only the blood of Jesus Christ can cleanse you from sin. . . It is never by how perfect or justified your doctrines are or how strict you keep to them. It is about God's saving grace purchased by the blood of the slain Lamb of God. . . I pray God opens our eyes of understanding more and more. . For further insights, please study the books of Romans and Hebrews. Happy Easter celebrations in advance For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up to you a prophet like me out from your brothers. You will listen to Him in all things, as many as He might say to you- Acts 3:22 For if you believe Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me- John 5:46 What we are to follow, is what and all that we read or heard God the Son in the person of Jesus Christ explicitly says or said we should Anything else Jesus didnt explicitly command believers to do is no longer needed or useful Where Jesus explicitly commands, is the litmus test for knowing which laws are right to keep, whilst others are to/can be done away with "But I warn you - unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!- Matthew 5:20 Christ is the end of the Law, in order to bring righteousness to everyone who believes- Romans 10:4 It's true that, we need grace because according to Matthew 5:20, it is impossible to be more righteousness or faithful than the scribes & Pharisees. Grace is needed for realising the right righteousness found in Romans 10:4 above then needed for using it to make this righteousness become a reality within reach and in the end be something that is within ochobaba: News laws by church or new laws by God New laws by God the Son, who came down to earth, in the person of Jesus Christ God is interested in the spirit of the law more than the letter |
Travel › Re: Female Amputee Visits Olumo Rock For The First Time & Is Excited. Photos by MuttleyLaff: 11:27pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
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NYSC › Re: Photos Of Akwa-Ibom Corper Who Fainted & Died On The Football Pitch (Graphic) by MuttleyLaff: 9:44am On Mar 25, 2017*. Modified: 6:12pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
StarBukola: Some Dr knows when a patient will not make it, I did my it in an hospital so I no what am saying, it a real pity he died honestly, such a fine tall guy, like a glass a tall of water... Rip. I just hope nysc no talk say dey no send him make e go play ball https://i.imgur.com/arkDyYC.jpgDoes that excuse not giving immediate medical attention until almost an hour later Doesnt The Hippocratic Oath count anymore? |
Celebrities › Re: Davido-fall (song Video) by MuttleyLaff: 9:36am On Mar 25, 2017*. Modified: 5:57pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
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Politics › Re: The Step Father Of The London Terrorist Is A Nigerian (pictured) by MuttleyLaff: 6:10am On Mar 25, 2017*. Modified: 6:13pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
ExplorerReturns: na afonjas! the first Nigerian terrorist was a Yoruba Muslim! now this one don com join later they will accuse Igbo's of life of crime while na their own bad pass. it is better to do drugs and know that you suffer alone when the consequence comes up and that is BRAVERY than to cut off someone's head or do rituals that is a sign of SELFISHNESS,COWARDICE AND WICKEDNESS https://i.imgsafe.org/6019e2981f.jpg https://i.imgsafe.org/6037f6fdd3.gifhttps://i.imgsafe.org/602cb39162.jpgFor the record, na Gambari be first ooo! The first is Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab! It is this HAUSA Muslim boy, also known as the "Underwear Bomber'' to friend and foe alike who is the first Gambari in December 2009, Afonja caught on almost 4 years later in May 2013 |
Celebrities › Re: Throwback: Can You Identify The Stars In These Photos? by MuttleyLaff: 5:58am On Mar 25, 2017 |
majamajic: 4. Tina onwudiwe 3 Yeni? and Femi Segun 4 Tyna Onwudiwe with late Femi Segun RIP Fela's daughter ex other half |
Celebrities › Re: Throwback: Can You Identify The Stars In These Photos? by MuttleyLaff: 4:58am On Mar 25, 2017*. Modified: 5:59am On Mar 25, 2017 |
naptu2: Can you identify the 6 people in these photographs? 1) Chris Oyakhilome Lady on right looks familiar, but her name eludes me, looks and maybe Princess Deun Arize Adedoyin-Solarin 2) Onyeka Onwenu on the right 3) [s]Lady on left looks familiar, but her name eludes me, looks and maybe Clarion Chukwura[/s] 4) [s]Lady on right looks familiar, but her name eludes me, looks and maybe Ibinabo Fiberesima[/s] |
Politics › Re: Photos: Dino Melaye Posing With His Mother by MuttleyLaff: 4:17am On Mar 25, 2017 |
auntysimbiat: h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZ7srxTXC0 WATCH: DINO MELAYE 's MOOD BEFORE CERTIFICATE SCANDAL The man Dino Melaye no doubt has a chequered life and persona however I've just began to like him because of seeing this colouful part of him (e.g. multilingual, the lively and uninhibited dancing+singing side of him) OP who is the singing artist, what's the album and music track name? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of This Bible Verse? by MuttleyLaff: 11:23am On Mar 24, 2017*. Modified: 1:30pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
izzou: But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking
Matthew 6:7 (KJV) ''vain repetitions'' is actually a translation from the original Greek word ''battalogeo'' and it relates to ''making empty word(s) or unintelligible sound(s) with one's voice '' or blubbering (i.e. the unintelligible words made when weeping, crying or sobbing noisily and uncontrollably) Also has to do with repeating words as if one is a stammerer izzou: Personally, I think Jesus was trying to say we should have more faith in our prayers than words Jesus was actually against behaving like pagans, who think talking rapidly and/or continuously in a foolish, excited meaningless or incomprehensible words leads to having prayers getting attention He was also teaching against tautology. He prefers we just say the prayer, go straight to the prayer point without faffing about or getting embroiled in self-indulgent eloquence ego-trips Has to be noted that stamerrers are exempted from Matthew 6:7 izzou: But when I attend prayer meetings and a point is raised, after praying for like 8 minutes, the pastor will say something like "it's like you people don't understand the prayer point. Open your mouth and pray again" angry The pastor ought to have said you people arent praying with conviction and belief that the prayer are going to be answered Also instead of saying '''open your mouth and pray again angry'', he could have said: I would prefer you people to begin showing some level of enthusiasms and energetic interest for the next prayer activity and coming prayer points izzou: I really want to hear other people's views about prayer pertaining to the quoted verse. Please cc:OAM4J 26So they prepared one of the bulls and placed it on the altar. Then they called on the name of Baal from morning until noontime, shouting, "O Baal, answer us!" But there was no reply of any kind. Then they danced, hobbling around the altar they had made. 27About noontime Elijah began mocking them. “You’ll have to shout louder,” he scoffed, “for surely he is a god! Perhaps he is daydreaming, or is relieving himself. Or maybe he is away on a trip, or is asleep and needs to be wakened!”- 1 Kings 18:26-27 Praying angry or praying uselessly like the pagans did praying to God from morning up to noon, continually and/or repeatedly asking God to answer them, in 1 Kings 18:26-27 above, is never a sure-fire way of getting God's attention or prayers attended to You might be amazed or shocked to be informed that, praying in tongues as is done today, also falls under the category of Matthew 6:7 Praying in tongues, not to be conflated with praying with or praying in the spirit, as carried out in today's believers' gatherings, is a confusion perpetuated through not paying close attention to scripture |
Christianity Etc › Re: Being Born Again Wont Do The Following by MuttleyLaff: 11:23am On Mar 24, 2017*. Modified: 3:42pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
GodsMopol: I wrote it, me commented on it, Paul said said I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live. I am still meditating on that and the revelation is endless, if you understand that I is a spirit, man is a spirit,
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The man in Gen 1:26 is different from the man in this verse, the man in Gen 1:26 is a spiritual man, this man here was formed to become a fleshy man, its calling the casing process, the real man is the operating system, but the fleshy man is the casing covering the inner part of the phone, Paul said 2 Corin 4:16, the outward man and the inward man, the Lord sanctify you, spirit, soul and body, 1 these 5:23, ehmmm, I learnt the skill and the acts of commenting on my tread by a friend and a big bro, jiggaz, I notice every time anyone comment on nl on a particular tread, the tread comes up to the first page of that section, so commenting on it would in someway make your tread achieve what you want in the first place, bless lives, am not after many views, but many blessed through viewing. I've learnt that there will be more rejoicing in heaven over the one view, blessed and changed than over ninety-nine views who do not need to change Do your part and leave the rest for the Holy Spirit Trust me, if the thread needs a leg-up, it will miraculously be bumped without flesh needing to give a helping hand |
Christianity Etc › Re: Being Born Again Wont Do The Following by MuttleyLaff: 9:02am On Mar 21, 2017 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Meaning/interpretation Of Matthew 24: 45-47 by MuttleyLaff: 4:36pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
plus7: Hello folks,
Matthew 24: 45-47 is not a new bible verse to me, I have read the verses countless of times.
But reading it some few days ago, I became confused.
Please I need explanation/meaning/interpretation of the bible verses.
About the slave, is it just a parable, is it a prophesy with future fulfillments, has it been fulfilled, when will it be fulfilled?
N.B. Meaningful and matured contributions are needed please.
Thanks!! 45Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46“Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. 47“Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.- Matthew 24:45-47 The eyes of all wait upon you; and you give them their food in due season- Psalm 145:15 15When they had finished eating, Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love Me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” He answered, “You know I love You.” Jesus replied, “Feed My lambs.” 16Jesus asked a second time, “Simon son of John, do you love Me?” “Yes, Lord, he answered, “You know I love You.” Jesus told him, “Shepherd My sheep.” 17Jesus asked a third time, “Simon son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was deeply hurt that Jesus had asked him a third time, “Do you love Me?” “Lord, You know all things;” he replied, “You know I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.…- John 21:15-17 Apparently according to Matthew 4:4, food for the body alone is not good enough, because there is food for the soul too which needs to be considered Though food for the body is good, Jesus in John 21:15-17 above, wasnt talking about food for the body, instead it is food for the soul Mark this. Our diet is like a bank account. Good food choices are good investments and vice versa Good soul food provides essential nourishments for the maintenance and growth of the spirit man life The spirit man is only as effective, only as good and only as strong as the diet it is fed on (i.e. it's a no brainer that when or if garbage goes in, then garbage comes out) It is all to do with being a bond-slave and not about or anything to do with being a regular slave Now, if one has become a bond-servant then feeding the sheep is something by which such person is bound and expected to do You are familiar with how one becomes a bond-slave in Israelite biblical times. Right? Now put John 21:15-17 side by side with Deuteronomy 15:12-16 or Exodus 21:1-5, to see why Jesus had to ask Peter, 3 times whether he really did love Jesus or not If any really do love Jesus, then such, in due season or at proper times, will feed souls with spiritual food What Matthew 24: 45-47, in a sentence, is saying is that: Unless you have permission to rest, sleeping at work is risky business, as you dont want to be caught napping when Jesus returns Giving soul food and done in due season is being fulfilled on this page right now before your eyes brother |
Politics › Re: Gowon Commissioning First Graduands Of NDA 50 Years Ago (Throwback Photos) by MuttleyLaff: 4:10pm On Mar 19, 2017*. Modified: 4:38pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
napoleon77: Diya was dismissed as a Lt General for treason and coup plotting, and was never a Vice President. He was Chief of General Staff but never held office as Vice President. President Jonathan revoked it He's back with full benefits + entitlements restored Marotzke: So you are now Oge Okoye? Renaming people and dogs? It is no longer Davidson Oladipo Diya, but now Olumuyiwa Diya? Okay!! https://i.imgsafe.org/b63f9caf13.gifWanted to type Oladipo, dont know how Olumuyiwa came about |
Politics › Re: Gowon Commissioning First Graduands Of NDA 50 Years Ago (Throwback Photos) by MuttleyLaff: 12:08pm On Mar 19, 2017*. Modified: 4:39pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
mmb: On 18 March 1967 at the Nigerian Defence Academy, Kaduna.
Exactly fifty years of Nigeria began to graduate military officers who recieved training at home. On this day you can see the head of state General Yakubu Gowon when he attended the graduation of Army (Regular Course 1) in Kaduna. Among the graduands are, General Rabiu Ali, General Salihu Ibrahim, General Joshua Dogon Yaro and others.
Sixty of them were graduated and later deployed to the battlefront of Nigeria's civil war in the south and east. Now those who are left in no more than 20. Some died in the front and others at home. Those living God extends healthy, and we have God have mercy on them.
h t t p s://web.facebook.com/hashtag/magabatajarumai?source=feed_text&story_id=1247126508717625 Can see, in first row right, General Olumuyiwa Oladipo Diya (rtd) too |
Christianity Etc › Re: Between Olive Oil And Holy Spirit by MuttleyLaff: 11:48am On Mar 19, 2017*. Modified: 12:28pm On Mar 19, 2017 |
Aquiprsy: Jesus, Paul and Peter never asked these folks to bring these materials for "impartation", they chose to do that out of their volition. "But for you who fear my name, the Sun of Righteousness will rise with healing in his wings (i.e. garments) And you will go free, leaping with joy like calves let out to pasture- Malachi 4:2 No one needed to be asked to bring materials for "impartation", because people, as I earlier said, used their using their initiative, imagination and common sense, built on a strong faith foundation to do get healing The woman with the issue of the blood wasnt told by anyone to touch Jesus but she chose to do so based on and particularly because of Malachi 4:2 above to obtain her healing Aquiprsy: And after their testimonies, these events were never made into doctrine, as it obtains today What was never made into a doctrine, as it obtains today, is to derive financial benefit(s) from the practice. What was never made into a doctrine, as it obtains today, is to start exploiting the people's uncommon elan faith of receiving healing in this manner What was never made into a doctrine, as it obtains today, is to start commercialising such people's practice (i.e. money was not to be exchanged hands for any of handkerchiefs, aprons, shadows or for people touching garment as it is obtained today) The doctrine is that the inspiration to do comes from pew and/or the people, Not be prompted for from the pulpit and/or by the ''pastor'' and especially for sake of money exchanging hands for the experience I am quite sure the testimony of the woman healed of the issue of blood, would have encouraged others, to emulate what she did or to do similar to what she did Aquiprsy: Did you read this part below?
"i am of the opinion that this doctrine is one of many doctrines, that's blending Christianity with other religions in a rather ridiculous way" Whats your '' Did you read this part below'' question supposed to mean? Did you too, not read me saying that: the thread has a steadfastly ignored ''elephant in the room'' matter to put heads together about |
Christianity Etc › Re: Between Olive Oil And Holy Spirit by MuttleyLaff: 10:49am On Mar 19, 2017*. Modified: 11:18am On Mar 19, 2017 |
Aquiprsy: The Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.
The above verse is the very word of Jesus Christ, our Lord and savior.
From basic teaching of the word of God, it has been established that, the very new life in Christ and the kingdom works of a believer, is impossible without the power of the Holy Spirit.
Looking at this doctrine of, "holy Spirit power in medium" ie the use of physical insignia as a medium of impacting the power of the Holy Spirit, i am of the opinion that this doctrine is one of many doctrines, that's blending Christianity with other religions in a rather ridiculous way.
The insignia:
*handkerchief (mantle) *arm band (bearing GO's picture) *chaplet (bearing GO's picture) *olive oil
How is the apparent look and the use of these insignia different from the.....
*chaplet of herbalist and Muslims? *arm and waist bands of herbalists? This is a steadfastly ignored the elephant in the room topic Aquiprsy: If Jesus could heal the sick boy without physical contact, but by the power of the Holy Spirit via words, why can't we be satisfied with this model? The NT biblical times unadulterated model was possible because it was principally borne out of faith and importantly done without any need to merchadise the gospel as goods to be bought and sold for healing (i.e. no selling whatsoever of shadows, handkerchiefs, arm bands, olive oil, bottled water, chaplets etcetera for healing) We fail to notice that, in NT biblical times unadulterated model, it were the people, out of faith, who brought the sick into the streets and laying them on cots and mats, so that at least Peter’s shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by and resulting in the sicks getting healed (i.e. Acts 5:15-16) Neither do we notice, it were people, out of faith, who carried away handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched Paul's skin to the sick, resulting in the sicks' diseases leaving them and the evil spirits coming out of them (i.e. Acts 19:12) Lastly, also not acknowleged, is that it was the woman with the issue of blood, out of faith, who touched the helm of Jesus' garment, leading to her being made whole and receiving her healing (i.e. Luke 8:43-48) Again it were the people, out of faith, runing around bringing out the sick on mats just to touch the fringe of Jesus' garment for healing (i.e. Mark 6:55-56) Jesus, Peter nor Paul never instigated these practices, it always were people, out of faith, using their initiative, imagination and common sense to tap into raw anointing (i.e. tapping into the power of the Holy Spirit) to receive healing Jesus, Peter nor Paul never derived financial benefit from the people's practice of touching garment, letting shadow fall on the sick, or the carrying away handkerchiefs or aprons. As a matter of fact, unlike nowadays where people are exploited, the people's practice in NT biblical times, were not commercialised upon by Jesus, Peter nor Paul(i.e. money never exchanged hands for any of Paul's handkerchiefs or aprons, Peter's shadow or for people touching Jesus' garment) Aquiprsy: Happy Sunday! You cant be saying a Happy Sunday, whats so happy about it when the sheeple, the sheepish and the sheople, again, today are about to be fleeced |
Christianity Etc › Re: How To Understand John 5:19 by MuttleyLaff: 8:58am On Mar 19, 2017 |
alBHAGDADI: John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Did you read the above verse? People often quote it to support their notion that Yahshua the Messiah was just a prophet and not God. One thing they fail to do is check what he's responding to which helps to clarify what he said in the above verse. In verse 17 of that chapter, he was working on a Sabbath, and so he was approached by the Jews who were looking for the slightest excuse to nail him. The Sabbath is a day during which no work is to be done by any ISRAELite, but God is the only One who can work on that day cos he has to keep the universe going. For Jesus to be working on that day, they found it offensive.
John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
When Yahshua noticed their mood towards him, he made it clear to them why he has the right to work on a Sabbath day unlike other men.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
This statement of his clearly made him equal with God even as understood by the Jews cos it made them angry and sought the more to kill him. They knew anyone who accords himself the right to work on a Sabbath is making himself equal with God.
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
You see, at this point, it gets interesting cos Yahshua made some statements that his persecutors of today have read wrong meanings into instead of allowing his words to read meanings to them. Pls, read the verse below.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Whenever Christians say Christ is God, some people of some other religious belief usually think we are calling him a separate deity. They come against it by quoting the part where he says "of himself he can do nothing", so he's just a prophet relying on God. What Yahshua the Messiah meant by making that statement is that if he was a separate deity on his own, he won't be able to do anything. But since he's part of God Almighty, he's able to do those things he does. If you read that verse 19 carefully, you will see that he affirms that strongly when he said he does what He sees God doing. This means that if God has the ability to sustain the universe, he also has that ability. But if he wasn't part of God but a separate deity, he won't be able to do those things himself. If you read the succeeding verses, you will see how much of part of God Yahshua is when he speaks of how God loves him and shows him everything.
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
He also spoke of how God gave him the same ability to raise the dead.
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
He continued by stating how God put every judgment in his hands.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
He went further to speak on how God gives him the right to be honoured the same way God himself is honoured.
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Yahshua the Messiah says you have to honour him the same way you honour God. This is made possible by the fact stated above that he has the same attributes as God. Do you remember the words "The Son can do nothing of himself"? If he was a separate deity, he won't be able to do all this and would have a separate attribute. But since he's part of God with the same attribute, he can exercise the same power aminusanti annunaki2 4everGod ilynem Iwant2knowGod plappville plapville friendchoice malvisguy212 true2god rilwayne001 Is any thing too hard for the LORD?- Genesis 18:14a Jesus looked at them intently and said, "Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But with God everything is possible."- Matthew 19:26 "Look, I am Yahweh, the God of all flesh. Is anything too difficult for Me?- Jeremiah 32:27 The summation of OP's above is that: God existed simultaneously in Heaven as God the Father, as He simultaneously existed on Earth, as God the Son And so, no one can successfully contest, that this is an impossible act (i.e. an unable to be done venture for God) nor successfully argue, that it's beyond the bounds of possibility and God's ability to exist at the same time, in more than one place |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 10:08pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
blueAgent: your knownledge of the Bible is laughable. It is excruciating enough watching you trying to sound and look knowledgeable I pity Splinz the poor person looking forward to reading your posts as there is more intelligence and truth being fired out of your where the sun dont shine, than anything that ever came from your mouth and anything you've ever typed on this entire thread |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 9:55pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
blueAgent: Lol......it is one thing to be ingnorant but it is unacceptable for one to be ingnorant of his ingnorance and capacity. I accept that everyone has the right to be ignorant. It's just that you chose to abuse the privilege |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 9:51pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
blueAgent: You once again demonstrated your ingnorance and Naviety. The death penatly was not limited to Sabbath breakers but to the entire 10 commandments. (Numbers 15:32–36) 1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Severe Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. ( Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40) In some cases you can keep the girls alive for raping. ( Numbers 31:15-18) 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image Severe Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (See above.) 3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; High Capital punishment (Leviticus 24:16, Deuteronomy 18:20, Mark 3:28-29) 4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. High Capital punishment (Exodus 31:14, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 35:2 Numbers 15:32) 5. Honour thy father and thy mother: High Capital punishment (Exodus 21:15, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9) 7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. High Capital punishment (Leviticus 20:10) 6. Thou shalt not kill. Elevated Capital punishment in some cases (For killing Cain, yes, for killing Abel, no: Genesis 4:15). 8. Thou shalt not steal. Guarded Excessive fines or slavery: (Exodus 22:1-3). Only in rare cases such as stealing slaves, capital punishment ( Exodus 21:16). Thieves caught in the night are to be executed (Exodus 22:1-3) 9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Low Despisement and scorn (Proverbs 12:8 ) 10. Thou shalt not covet . . . Low Despisement and scorn (Romans 7:7-8 )
You can see your argument against the sabbath based on death penatly does not hold water. I dont know about any argument holding water, but I do know that all along you prefer cherry-picking Anyway, asking again, shouldnt you be showing some gratitude and be thankful to God that the commandments were re-introduced with love responses/reactions and not death penalties repeated |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 9:04pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
blueAgent: Why will i hide from a topic i started? Because you haven't got the stamina nor sustaining power. You've bitten more than you can chew and that's one of the reasons behind your now used to hiatus. Watch you soon scurry away again blueAgent: It pathetic to know that most christains including you cannot read the Bible for themselves. ...and you, unashamedly are number one on that list |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 6:39pm On Mar 14, 2017*. Modified: 10:38pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
MZLady39: Ok brother....if you can pull up the discussion thread where you addressed it "from Day 1", please bring it forth and I'll apologize. I''m feeling very sympathetic for you because something's got you very angry young man. I think no more highly of myself than any other Nigerian on this forum..so do better with that statement. If you are upset because of my belief about certain things, then you need to deeply pray about that. Ask the Lord to help you get rid of your hatred for me. He will give you the victory. My "plastic" self lives in the United States. I've been extremely honest and forthright about myself (almost to a fault). But that's cool..it's your choice. I cannot lose sleep because you don't want to meet me. As much as you want me to "hate" you, I don't nor will ever "hate" you brother. I like you regardless of the hatred you have recently begun spewing towards me You are none the wiser. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Now why would I want you to hate me? And I careless, even if you're in the North Pole. Or you want a medal for being in the United States. You seem proud of it. Keep on marketing it that you're in the United States Seems afterall, you aren't capable of taking as much as you give. Look at the irrelevancies you've been posting and just above posted too. Maybe I should start face-palming since you're ''crocodile tears'' concerned over me shaking my head |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 5:59pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
MZLady39: Are you kidding to that last sentence? I would expect you to act like a grown man...but it's obvious that you are not. I'm thoroughly convinced I'm speaking with a teenager. Well I'm sorry you feel that way about me. I can do nothing to change your mind.....so I won't try. Since Day 1?? Wow...you should've addressed my "false humility" then....not wait until now. I know you are trying to destroy my character......oh well....carry on sir. If it makes you feel better...do what you must do. I've been slandered on NL before.....so I guess it's time again. It's not the first...certainly won't be the last. I'd sure love to meet you face-to-face though.....where ever you are. I am not kidding about the last sentence. I thought you said, my head will fall off, so what is wrong in me offering that you come pull it off, if it doesn't. You are just craving and seeking for attention. What you so much crave for, I'll give it, till you choke on it. I haven't waited until now, you conveniently forget I addressed it from Day 1. Sorry for yourself. You think too highly of yourself. I have better things to do, to be bothered with slandering you or wanting to destroy your character. At the rate, you've been going, I can't say the same about you, that I would like or love to meet you face-to-face... wherever you are |