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¹⁰But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
¹¹For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him?
So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
¹²We have not received the spirit of the world,
but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
¹³And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom,
but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
¹⁴The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God.
For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
¹⁵The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment.
¹⁶“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ
- 1 Corinthians 2:10-16

¹And as for myself, brethren, I found it impossible to speak to you as spiritual men.
It had to be as to worldlings—mere babes in Christ. (i.e. but as to carnal, even as to babes in Christ.)
²I fed you with milk and not with solid food,
since for this you were not yet strong enough. And even now you are not strong enough
- 1 Corinthians 3:1-2

adepeter26:
Is God Beyond Logic? - Discussion

God is able to be understood, within reasoning and so, no, not beyond logic

adepeter26:
Another theist claiming atheists reject God because they think God could be understood

Atheists reject God and the notion of God because of their regards, that, there is not a self-existent all-powerful authority influence (i.e. God)

adepeter26:
To the THEISTs, why do you think & say god is beyond logic and cannot be understood

If the theists who thinks this way & says God is beyond logic and cannot be understood, happens to be a saint, then such person is termed to be immature, as to babes or infants in their faith in Christ and still feeding on milk (i.e. refer to 1 Corinthians 3:1-2 above)

adepeter26:
And to we ATHEISTS, How do you respond to people that say God is beyond logic?

Again, if the people saying this happens to be saints then the response is the same as the immediate above, as such people talk in this way because of the immaturity of their faith in Christ and are still feeding on milk (i.e. 1 Corinthians 3:1-2 above)

Now, as for the other non-saints people that usually talk this way or use the ''God is beyond logic'' line, such are classed to be natural person(s)
(i.e. refer to 1 Corinthians 2:14 above)
Cc Hahn, hopefullandlord, akintom, sirwere, CatfishBilly, ifenes, jonbellion
Cc MZLADY39, Junia, Felixomor, DoctorAlien, Kingebukasblog, WILGREA7, zionmade, tosyne2much

ifenes:
I did not make threats.
I simply asked you to ignore my post since you do not agree with me

Thank you for clearing the air on that
I didnt for a second take you as a violent person anyway

ifenes:
Besides I did not edit if you think I did

Well, when I clicked on your post to comment
on it, what showed after I finished differed from the first post I originally clicked on to and commented on

ifenes:
I will not go further with this. Have a good day!

Trust me, when I come across any of your ill-informed opinions again, I'll surely will to put the record straight comment on it
I wish you too a good day and blessed extended weekend break

ifenes:
I don't get your argument! What is your point?

There is no argument, I have just countered and addressed each of your false and ill-informed point(s)

ifenes:
I edited what??

What I responded to isnt what you originally posted

ifenes:
What is your problem?

Your problem is you are fickle
You changed and made correction and additions to your original post
and it became different to what I've responded to because of your edits, changes or additions

ifenes:
It is your choice to worship Jesus mr. Please by every means do so.....worship the messenger and ignore the message.....that's your definition of being a Christian, bravo!

Wise men came to worship the Messenger
if you are wise, you'll do the same

ifenes:
Don't quote me again!

Threat? What you going to do?
Pick up a fight with me? Huh?

Act your age, though I might disapprove of what you say,
but I will defend to the death your right to say it,
and that's why I posted about you having freedom of speech and not to muzzle you

PastorAIO:
This doesn't add up. So because he meets so many people
as a king he forgot that the boy he delighted in so much that he wrote a letter to his father asking him if he could keep the boy,
he then forgot whose son the boy was. haba!!

Spin a different line and stop sounding like a broken record and nagging wife

PastorAIO:
Biblians really need to add so much to the bible in order to make it say what they want which definitely isn't what the bible is saying

Biblians can speak for themselves

PastorAIO:
The bible never said that Saul meets so many people and so forgot.
That is how the other day someone said that because in his village lineage is considered patrilineal therefore it is impossible for jews to considered Jewishness to be passed down through the mother. What has his village custom got to do with Jewish customs?

The bible said Saul asked whose son David is, it didnt say the reason why Saul asked
You can be given nth to the power reasons why Saul asked but you'll never be satisfied so go take a chill pill and sit don somwhere jaare

PastorAIO:
I believe that for most Africans the bible is an obsolete book because they cannot even grasp the cultural contexts in which it was written

That's more the reason one needs to be familiar with Jewish customs, culture, idioms etcetera
in order to get a good grip on what the narratives in the bible are about

PastorAIO:
Hahahah! Satan truly is an imitator of god.
Continue parroting everything you hear, s'o gbo.

No parroting, gbo mi daada
I milk other cows and by myself and with help, make my own cheese

ifenes:
Why do you have negative beliefs?
Belief in Jesus is idolatry

Many people have an image of Jesus Christ,
but few like you get the picture accurate or right

ifenes:
and feeling inferior. Why do you feel powerless?
This is why your life isn't the miracle you want

With your delusions who says anyone is feeling inferior, powerless and that life isn't the miracle wanted

PS: You've edited your original post, erh. It's alright. Continue

ifenes:
I will totally understand if someone says he eats his/her favourite meal in the dream. That is what is expected in a country where people hardly eat good food. Just as most Africans dream of being rich in the dream, or you see Nigerian movie centered around a poor man dreaming of being very rich. In the abondance of lack in a society the will obviously dream of wealth and good life.

Dreaming like this, is what's called experiencing an anxiety dream otherwise known as a natural dream

The content of such anxiety dreams usually is a direct reflection about something seen, watched, heard, listened to or wanted
and comes about as result of a want of, a struggle for, a fear of, a hope of, a hope for, a need of or a desire you have of, something.

Now because of the ambiguity over the ''something'',
it is the inner man otherwise known as your spirit man, that alerts your soul otherwise known as the carnal man
via the anxiety dream that what was dreamt about is concerning and needs getting dealt with
(e.g. hunger or hungry, so there is a need of food to use for dealing the hunger with, hence the natural or anxiety dreaming of food)

ifenes:
I see Christian worship Jesus not knowing that his life was a parable for the poor to improve their lives.
Whenever the bible said he tried to heal the sick, he starts by asking if they believed they could be heal.
Their reply determines what happened to them.
A good story it is but there is a bigger picture.
We must eradicate fear and replace it with faith in ourselves for us to be what we desire

Absence of faith is called unbelief
so it's unbelief actually that needs being eradicated, completely removed and gotten rid of

ifenes:
@Pidgin2 A Christian is someone who knows he/she is the light through which the world shines ,someone who understands that to be Christ- like you must know you can move mountains without having doubts in your mind

That Jesus' remark,
''...you could say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it would move. Nothing would be impossible'' is a hyperbole

and if anybody has taken the ''move mountain'' remark literally,
then the only mountain moved by such will be done using earth moving machineries such as JCB or Caterpillar bulldozers

ifenes:
Did your bible not say Jesus said what he did you can do better if you believed in yourself ?

No, the bible DID NOT say Jesus said what He did you can do better if you believed in yourself
Nothing to do with ''better'' or ''believing in yourself''
but first, is, ''believe in Jesus'', then ''do same work'' and ''even larger work''

Jesus in that bible passage and verse was not talking of quality
but in actual fact, was talking about QUANTITY.

That Jesus' remark,
''...anyone who believes in Me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works,''
essentially was saying,
''If you BELIEVE IN JESUS,
you will do SAME work Jesus did
BUT the range or scope of the work will increase to accomodate or reach a teeming and wider audience''

ifenes:
Is that not what I'm saying to the OP?

It's so funny how the people who know the least about Jesus Christ and believers, have the most to say
You waffled and said a lot, especially in an inflated and empty way

ifenes:
If you look into a mirror what do you see? Yourself.... And if you frown the reflection in the mirror frowns. If you want the reflection to smile, do you pray to God to let it smile? No you don't! You simply smile and it will smile back at you. That is a feature of a Christ

A Christian actually means someone who knows he is Christ, not the way religion defined it.

You are rambling here again.
So that a truth and fact be known, ''Christian'' actually is an intolerant and contemptuous word used for early believers

ifenes:
Are you a Christian/Christ ?

¹⁸One day Jesus left the crowds to pray alone.
Only his disciples were with him, and he asked them, "Who do people say I am?"
¹⁹"Well," they replied,
"some say John the Baptist, some say Elijah,
and others say you are one of the other ancient prophets risen from the dead."
²⁰''But who do you say I am?” He asked.
Peter replied, ''The Christ of God''
- Luke 9:18-20

It is very easy for people to misunderstand what and/or who you are
This is why, what you know about yourself and who you say you are is what really counts
and not what some and/or other people say who you are
so don't let ifenes' someone else's opinion define who you are
Luke 9:18-20 content above, is very instructive as to never allow yourself to be defined by ifenes' someone else's opinion of you

Now if it's a truth and fact that ''Christian'' actually is an intolerant and contemptuous word used for early believers
then your question is like someone asking you or another black person, are you a nigger?

Pidgin2:
You are in no place to advice a Christian,
kindly spare us yours and use them for your fellow atheists

He is in a place with rights to freedom of speech,
so we dont advocate putting a muzzle on him
but just to selectively speak up to counter or demolish all incorrect statements
and every pretension that sets itself up as a true knowledge of God

ifenes:
Miracles are happening in your life every seconds and they are your doing. You said you lack financial breakthrough or happiness in relationship. That is a choice you have made. To change your "life experience" you must first change your mindset, the way you use your mind. Not only that, you must be what you want before it happens to you regardless of first outcome. I know it may sound strange but most people have been miseducated for a long time, to the point that accepting a non preferred outcome has become a norm

Miracles happen in your life every seconds, with and without your doing

ifenes:
I know people may say I say these things and they are only theories. They are not only theories and can be applied to our daily lives. To change the world you live in, you must first change yourself and expectations. React positively to negative outcomes.

True

ifenes:
Example. I had a friend who has lived in the UK for 16 years, he was 30 years of age when detained by the UK immigration year ago. He did all he could and was denied bail. He was booked to be deported 2 weeks after his arrest. He tried his luck with a lawyer but all appeal were knocked back. He already got his ticket and therefore obvious he would be deported. He was a Christian, he prayed, fasted and did all sorts. Eventually he contacted me and I travelled to his deportation camp to visit him. I told he will be released if he wanted to. At this point he was ready to do whatever I said.

Basically I told him he was his own creator God. This is an idea we both had already disagreed on in the past . I told him what he had to do was simple; I said, " decide in your mind you will be released and behave as if a release letter is already in your hands. Do not react negatively to an any feedback you get from them". That was all! I wanted him to shift to a parallel Earth, from the Earth where he was going to be deported to the one where he will be released.

Anyway, he agreed to do it as he had no other choice. I got home that day and called him. For the first time he was excited on the phone,we spoke about the champions league final etc. We were in a positive mood. The follow day when he was due for his flight, he called me to say his flight was cancelled and he got an immediate release as they needed his space for someone else they considered a threat to the public. He was freed and thankfully he also got his status straight a year after

In one word that is exercising FAITH
It is giving life to what is dead and calling into being what does not yet exist.

Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen
it gives us assurance about things we cannot see
or convinces us of the existence of things we are yet to see.

ifenes:
OP, what I'm saying is you must change the way you see the world.
Money issues don't matter at all, your " state of being" does.
To be a billionaire you must think and act like one.
You need to start from somewhere. Your illusionary problems are challenges meant for you to solve.
They are meant to help you learn and grow. Only you can solve them.

Offering treatment and/or giving medication before proper diagnosis wont address the root cause of the problem(s)

ogbright:
When it feels you are in deep blue sea without hope. When you have virtually said every prayer you can remember yet it seems like a dead end

You keep praying until something happens
Sometimes, action is whats needed not prayers,
other times some prayers are ineffective because its of no use and shouldnt have being prayed in the first instance

ogbright:
When you are so committed and in relationship with a person that is so indebted and has offended a lot of people

Please read the whole chapter 1 Samuel 25

It is about Nabal, David and Abigail
You might pick up one or two things that might help concerniing Abigail's difficult, unpleasant and embarrassing situation
and how things worked out together for good for her

ogbright:
and obviouslly it seems nothing good can ever come out of him again

''Seems'' is a false positive
and we all know after of that biblical saying:
''Can anything good come out of Nazareth?''

ogbright:
Yet he feels its normal to have problem and perhaps not really bothered much

There is nothing abnormal in having problems
so it is true if he feels its normal to have problems.
It's perhaps, also, is true not to be really bothered much about problems

No human being was promised a problem free life or existence
and incidentally we are advised to subdue and bring under mental or emotional control our problem(s)

ogbright:
When you have a dream but can't pursue it because he doesn't want you to

What is the dream, what is the dream about, and why doesnt he want you to pursue the dream

ogbright:
You have a certificate but can't work because he feels unsecured

Why does he feel unsecured?
Why is he feeling insecure?

ogbright:
When things are not just alright and there seems to be noo hope at all

... ''seems no hope at all'', isnt the same as ''no hope at all''

"Seems" makes it an the impression of no hope, it isnt a reality that there's no hope
If you're not dead, there still is hope

ogbright:
When you think you are with the wrong person

How and when did you suddenly realise that you are with the wrong person

ogbright:
yet can't leave because children are there

Why want to leave?
Is it a physical and/or emotional abusive relationship?
Is it a life threatening relationship?

ogbright:
Does miracles really happens? That's the only thing I need now.

Yes miracles do really happen
Miracles happen every seconds of a day's moment

PastorAIO:
This man has given up even trying to make sense. How pitiful!!

You wouldn't recognise sense even if it perched on your nose

PastorAIO:
If you like squirm like a worm till darkness that you hope for comes to your rescue. That won't change anything.
Saul knew who David's father was in chapter 16, even writing letters to him regarding David. By chapter 17 after David is introduced in verse 12 as if for the first time Saul does not know who his father was again. By face or not by face doesn't matter but is just another squirming tactic of yours. At the end of the chapter David told him 'I'm jesse's son your servant'. He didn't show Saul a photograph so he can know him by sight. He told him the name which is the name that he knew already on chapter 16.
Many Christian scholars know these things. That is true bible scholars, not mushroom penterascal baseless 'christians' as yourself

Oro na dun, O fe ke.
Go lick your bruise somewhere else

PastorAIO:
What brethren? Brethren of liars? Brethren of Crooks? Brethren of Jagudas?
I accuse anybody that lies and call him a liar, if you like cry. I accuse anybody that is making a false claim and tell him (and show him) that it is false. If you like cry.

Well done, you're perfecting the art

PastorAIO:
My accusations are found on the basis that you are so twisted in your mind and morals that you will take a story where Saul writes a letter to David's dad Jesse, and you will claim that Saul would not know that Jesse is David's dad. This is just pitiful mendacity, and it comes from your father of lies.

King Saul knows David by sight.
King Saul knows David by name.
but somehow King Saul at that instance now, no more knows David anymore by his new appearance
King Saul has never met David's father personally so knows not whose son David really is
He knows David's father by name but he doesnt know David's father by sight
Technically speaking and in actual fact, King Saul doesnt know whose son David really is

''Whose son is the youth'' is equivalent in seriousness to like when speaking in the local parlance with
''Tani baba omode yi, gangan nile yi, paapaa?''

This post will set you off on another boisterous sugar high trip and give you something to rant on about. Enjoy. Kikiki ki

Bottom line is that, King Saul has his ''many'' reasons for asking that question
but instead of owing up to your inadequacies,
you are blinded with ranting rage and terribly unable to see the forest for the trees
Tut-tut-tut

PastorAIO:
Not only a rogue but a liar too!! lol.

It takes one to know one!! lol

PastorAIO:
Let us even skip that and get right to the bone

Oya now, get right to the bone
but efrebor efrebor, you go wound ooo

PastorAIO:
Saul was not begging for any 'more details'.

Oh yeah, why not?
Why wasnt he begging for any 'more details'?
Dont tell me.
It's the errancy of the bible. He-he-he, kikiki ki
I no wan laugh die

PastorAIO:
In chapter 16 before Saul even met David he was told that they are bringing the son of Jesse for him because he knows how to play music. Then David came. And Saul was so pleased with David that he wrote a letter to his father that he should let David remain with him.
David doesn't need to see Jesse face to face to know that there is someone called Jesse and David is Jesse's son.
All this is in Chapter 16.

Then in Chapter 17 Saul then sees David and asks, 'Whose son is this?' Does that make sense?
To ask whose son someone is after you've written letters to his father asking for him to remain with you?
If you cannot explain that then it is best to just shut up instead of embarrassing yourself with idiocy.

It makes sense die
but no surprises, as no amount of explanation will ever make sense to a sugar rush skeptic like you bent on going on a ranting rage spree

PastorAIO:
I believe that you missed this so I'm posting it again

I dont miss a trick
I already made myself clear,
and if you've had half an eye on and not being paying all your attention when reading my post(s) then that is your problem, not mine

PastorAIO:
You said 'the bible is not always a cogent narrative'

Yes I did post that and posted more to it,
but it all were done as a response after you first brought up ''cogent''

PastorAIO:
What did you mean

You're not serious
The person wey defecate no dey remember,
but the pesin who wiped the shitter's bum and cleaned up the defecate, is called to explain and answer for the defecate

PastorAIO:
how does that tally with everything else that you are saying

Refer to above

PastorAIO:
Olboy, take a minute to take a deep breathe or 5 deep breaths sef. Then clear your mind and come again

If you continue saying and using this line, you're going to wear it thin and out soon

PastorAIO:
Are you saying the bible is coherent or are you saying it is not coherent.

Are you on your man period, when you finish it, go back over my posts to read my original and previous reply
I made my post on that clear enough and so I don't intend to repeat myself on it again to you.

PastorAIO:
Actually he didn't refute anything.
At the point when the OP brought up the issue of chronology that is when Kondomatic disappeared

Watch yourself catch on and if not now, then sooner or later, do your own disappearing act too

PastorAIO:
It seems that you missed it or it went over your head.
I'll take time to take you through it one more time very slowly

I missed nothing and nothing went over my head
I actually addressed the chronology and more
and if your are a honorable man, it takes not much decency to admit this

I have previously mentioned to recall that King Saul had never met or set eyes on Jesse before.
King Saul doesnt know Jesse from Adam,
King Saul has had no one-to-one with Jesse, has had no direct association nor personal relationship with Jesse

King Saul had sent messengers and word, only, to Jesse alright
but he had no diddly squat face-face nor have any knowledge of who Jesse really is

King Saul in effect, had twice (i.e. messengers and word) sent to Jesse but never had sent for Jesse

King Saul didnt have to send for Jesse, because whatever King Saul wants or demands, King Saul haves or gets and Jesse has to be honky-donkey with it
Remember God's warning about subservience etcetera concerning the Israelite wanting to have an earthly king (i.e. 1 Samuel 8:11-18)

PastorAIO:
Chapter 16:
Can we presume that the events of chapter 16 happened before the events of chapter 17? I hope so

Were you expecting otherwise

PastorAIO:
Chapter 16 - Saul meets David as the son of Jesse the Bethlehemite.

19Therefore Saul sent messengers to Jesse and said, “Send me David your son, who is with the sheep.”
20And Jesse took a donkey laden with bread and a skin of wine and a young goat and sent them by David his son to Saul.
21And David came to Saul and entered his service. And Saul loved him greatly, and he became his armor-bearer.
22And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, “Let David remain in my service, for he has found favor in my sight

So Saul according to this narrative was well acquainted with David BY SIGHT.
And he knew him to be Jesse's son

So? So then, what?

Of course he knows David BY SIGHT and he knew him to be Jesse's son,
but does he know Jesse?
Does he personally know Jesse? Has he ever met Jesse?
Is King Saul acquainted with Jesse BY SIGHT?

If No, then I submit, it is a valid and reasonable King Saul question to ask
It is a King Saul question begging for more details about David
King Saul obviously had an understandable reason for asking
Suddenly it is now a royal request, an official request investigation before a royal announcement

PastorAIO:
Now in Chapter 17 we hear a different story of how they met

Response to this is below

PastorAIO:
Note that in chapter 16 the deity is mostly called Yahweh and only once is Elohim used towards the end

What are you like.
You've performed woefully at trying to find an inconsistency here

Permit me to address your very clumsy attempt
FYI, in Bible narratives, 9 times out of 10,
Yahweh is, always used in regards to the way in which a person or more people are connected to or connected with Yahweh
(i.e. 1 Samuel 16: 1,2,4-10,12-14 and 18)

and Elohim is usually used in regards to the performances or activity(ties) of the ''self-existent all-powerful authority & influence''
(i.e. 1 Samuel 16:15-16 and 23)

PastorAIO:
Starting from verse 12 we have what is obviously a new narrative because once again David is introduced as a character that we are meeting the first time:
12Now David was the son of an Ephrathite of Bethlehem in Judah, named Jesse, who had eight sons.
In the days of Saul the man was already old and advanced in years

If 16 and 17 are the same narrative then why introduce the character twice.
Obviously we've entered a new version here

No we havent entered a new version there
as well informed readers know to read 1 Samuel 17:12-31 section bit in parenthesis
because 1 Samuel 17:12-31 is an explanation or afterthought into a narrative which is grammatically complete without it

PastorAIO:
In this version Saul does not know David.

Asking whose son is this of the boy that had 'found favour in his sight'
and to whose father he had sent messages that to let David remain with him.
That doesn't tally

With all due respect, you're making no sense
''Whose son is this youth?'' is not the same as ''Who is this youth?''
Never mind, as this has already above this post been addressed

Its no fault of yours, so dont be hard on yourself.
You've just been showing your inadequate awareness of facts and information

PastorAIO:
Further more there is a proliferation of the use of the word Elohim for the deity

Here you go again making another pointless comment.
The rationale behind when and how the word Elohim is made use of, however has, above, been earlier explained and so already addressed

PastorAIO:
These 2 chapters sound like a stitching of two different narratives that don't tally with each other neatly.

Only a drowning man will clutch at straws and be saying:
''These 2 chapters sound like a stitching of two different narratives that don't tally with each other neatly.''

It's only you who cant see that it's a continuous narrative because you're are miserably inadequate
and thats why you're desperate to explain off your ignorance and shortfalling

PastorAIO:
What it has to do with the matter is that the op pointed out that Felixomor had a somewhat unpleasant manner of communicating
and I proposed my understanding of why not only him but a certain type of 'christian' (and I would include you in this group) have a tendency to be nasty when the bible or Christianity is debated.

I believe that it comes from the subconscious realisation that they (you included) lack legitimacy and so are trying to force it. So all one has to do is doubt your position and you see it as an outrageous and violent attack on your beliefs.
You must impose impose impose on others by force and invectives, not by rational arguments.
You cannot and will not engage in a rational manner examining arguments because you know that if you try it you will fail.

There is only one accuser of the brethren I know of,
and you've chosen exactly the same style of that person. What a coincidence!

I can only speak for myself, your accusations are unfounded
as it lacks any sound basis or occasion to pin on me,
So therefore they are totally false
and are another of the embittered rantings you infamously are renowned for

felixomor:
My brother thank u jare,
leave PastorAIO,
We know his ways.....
Its not today he started.

My brother, I give responses not because of PastorAIO or his ilks
but just to show you can't trust, at face value what they posts
and not to take as gospel the rantings that these people post here
Example will be the confused ones PastorAIO has been posting on this thread

PastorAIO:
Let me get you straight. When you say 'in this matter' I presume you are talking of this issue of being a Christian. Yes or no?

I've answered this already. Calm down and stop getting over-excited over nothing

PastorAIO:
Secondly you are claiming that you do not need to receive the apostolic tradition in order to be a Christian.
Is this what you're saying?

SMH. Can you for a second, stop bumbling about

PastorAIO:
Olboy are you saying the bible is coherent or are you saying it is not coherent

Sometimes it is uncomplicated and easy to understand, sometimes it isnt

Sometimes it looks like things in the Bible dont add up,
and thats why untrained eyes and minds like JhyMedex's, post threads and OPs, like this one
Hoping to hit the jackpot by trying to catch the Bible out

PastorAIO:
Let me get you straight. When you say 'in this matter' I presume you are talking of this issue of being a Christian. Yes or no?

Secondly you are claiming that you do not need to receive the apostolic tradition in order to be a Christian. Is this what you're saying?

You presume wrong.
Now take a minute to take a deep breathe or 5 deep breaths sef to clear your mind
and go again over your ''though they have no lineage to any of the actual apostles of Jesus'' comment
and then come again with what being a direct descendant to any of the actual apostles of Jesus has to do with the matter?

You brought up questioning the ancestry of the ''christians'' to any of the actual apostles of Jesus. Didnt you?

I am claimimng that direct descendant to any of the actual apostles of Jesus doesnt add or minus.
It is irrelevant to the matter you ranted on

PastorAIO:
So in your mind now you have refuted it

He did, within the scope of OP
there was any cause to exhaustively refute OP

PastorAIO:
So since you are now advocating for kondomatic then perhaps you can take up the baton for him at the point where he ran away.

His response was refuted with the the bible passages in the above quote. Please address that and tell us how you square the circle.

In 1 Samuel 16:17,
King Saul said to his servants:
''Provide for me a man who can play well and bring him to me''

In 1 Samuel 16:18,
a young man told King Saul about David, saying:
'I have seen a son of Jesse of Bethlehem who knows how to play the lyre.
He is a brave man and a warrior. He speaks well and is a fine-looking man. And the LORD is with him''

In 1 Samuel 16:19,
King Saul then sent messengers to Jesse and said:
''Send me your son David, who is with the sheep''

In 1 Samuel 16:22,
King Saul proceeded to
send word to Jesse, saying, "Allow David to remain in my service, for I am pleased with him."

Recall that King Saul had never met or set eyes on Jesse before.
King Saul doesnt know Jesse from Adam,
no one-to-one with Jesse, no direct nor personal association with Jesse

King Saul had sent messengers and word only to Jesse and not had a face-face or any knowledge of who Jesse really is

And the men of Israel said, Have ye seen this man that is come up?
surely to defy Israel is he come up: and it shall be,
that the man who killeth him, the king will enrich him with great riches,
and will give him his daughter, and make his father's house free in Israel
(i.e. exempt his family from taxes in Israel)
- 1 Samuel 17:25

King Saul had to ask the 1 Samuel 17:55 ''whose son is this?'' question because of the promise(s) in 1 Samuel 17:25 above
It is necessary to identify who David really is, in order to pinpoint or know where and how to honor the pledge, especially the tax exemption one

PastorAIO:
You see the problem is that there is a whole new cult that has being invented based on the text of the bible and the twisting of it's meanings.
In a bid to try to insist that the bible is one cogent narrative these cult members are actually turned into sociopathic hateful disciples of mendacity. Very rarely will you see them present an argument.
Rather they will attack and curse anyone that doesn't agree with their inanity. This is the state of affairs with these people who insist on calling themselves Christians
(though they have no lineage to any of the actual apostles of Jesus).

PastorAIO:
Please stay on topic

As you can seen from the above underlined, unlike you going on a rant
my comment is on topic and related to refuting that the bible is not always a cogent narrative

PastorAIO:
We are talking about blatant contradictions. Some examples have been mentioned.
If you feel you can explain the discrepancies according to your worldview then please go ahead.

No, can do.
I deplore needless waste of time getting me to reinvent the wheel.
- Kondomatic did justice to OP's

PastorAIO:
(though they have no lineage to any of the actual apostles of Jesus).

PastorAIO:
Lineage is important because Christianity is a tradition

PastorAIO:
Please explain this in plain English.

Are you saying Christianity is NOT a tradition?

Or are you saying that 'actual apostles' don't need to receive the tradition?

Please tell how being a direct descendant to any of the actual apostles of Jesus counts in this matter

Tradition evolves and regardless of what the actual apostles of Jesus did in Biblical times, it changes.

PastorAIO:
Lineage is important because Christianity is a tradition.

No, not as you want to make all believe, in regards to any of the actual apostles of Jesus
Direct descent of or to any of the actual apostles of Jesus does meet any criteria to be a believer
nor does it qualify to be a prerequisite for a believers' faith

PastorAIO:
You see the problem is that there is a whole new cult that has being invented based on the text of the bible and the twisting of it's meanings.
In a bid to try to insist that the bible is one cogent narrative these cult members are actually turned into sociopathic hateful disciples of mendacity

The bible in some places is cogent, some places not cogent, another place silent and some other places deductive reasoning is employed

PastorAIO:
Very rarely will you see them present an argument.
Rather they will attack and curse anyone that doesn't agree with their inanity

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Pinocchio!

PastorAIO:
This is the state of affairs with these people who insist on calling themselves Christians
(though they have no lineage to any of the actual apostles of Jesus)

If as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:
then why would lineage to any of the actual apostles of Jesus be of importance

otemanuduno:
None of the words you write up here are your own words, but the words of Pol/Eusebius

Say something not already known
I publicly acknowledged and/or credited the source chapter and verse

otemanuduno:
Don't you think you should say something from your own brain rather than a book always?

I dont decide at a whim the mode of my reaction, expression or response,
because it is what, when and how I am led by the spirit, that determines the way or manner in which I respond

You see, my friend, the secret is, everything has a timing.
There's a time to say something directly from my own brain rather than a book
and there's a time to say something directly from the bible rather that directly from my own brain

Timing is everything.
so it dont matter, whether I say something from my own brain rather than a book always
as the truth which matters, will always show up, especially if you are most ready for it

otemanuduno:
Use your brain

You have heard, you must love your Owner with all your heart and from all your soul and from all your power and from all your mind
Also that we are not giving the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

One is expected to do all those nouns/adjectives above the right way

You obviously are using the power of your brain the wrong way

Dont you think you should stop abusing your brain this way?
Dont you think that its time to pack in abnormally using your brain the manner you are infamously known for doing?

With this aberrant behaviour of yours, dont you know there is a comeuppance at the end of this perilous road you're journeying on?

Seems theology-wise, your mind is unsound
Your brain is bent on making mischief and seeks always to do so,
My humble and best advice, is you complain about your brain,
as it has become the devil's workshop, filling your mind with negative energy and creative but perverse thoughts

otemanuduno:
David/Daoud told you this and u believe him?

For I am not ashamed of the gospel,
because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes:
first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
- Romans 1:16

otemanuduno:
Yet u won't believe what ifa and orunmila your own ancestors tell you. Mtchew

⁵For even if there are ifa and orunmila so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth
(as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lord''),
⁶yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live
- 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

oladoja1:
lol book of Job said anyone born out of human is not clean

How then can man be justified with God?
or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
- Job 25:4
Dont get it twisted,
Bildad was talking about human beings
and was not talking of Emmanuel, God is with us

The only way a human being born out of a woman can be clean and become right with God
is by God coming as a human being to get the work done

oladoja1:
don't mind d letter Paul was writing dats his own believe

Bring out your your letters and lets place them under scrutiny

OLAADEGBU:
If Jesus is God, then why did he say my "God my God why have you forsaken me?"
If Jesus is God, then why did he say "my God my God why have you forsaken me"?
by Matt Slick

The reason Jesus would say this (Matt. 27:46) is because he was a man as well as divine, and as a man he was made under The Law (Galatians 4:4), and for a while lower than the angels (Hebrews 2:9).
People sometimes don't realise that Jesus, being a man under the law, would have someone he would call God, someone he would worship, etc., because he is under The Law. The law required worshiping God and praying to him.

Again, Jesus has two distinct natures, the divine and human. We call this the hypostatic union and it is exemplified in verses like the following.

John 1:1, 14, "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God… 14, and the word became flesh and dwelt among us…"

Colossians 2:9, "for in him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form."

Hebrews 1:8, "but of the son, he says, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever.'"

h t t ps://carm.org/jesus-my-god-forsake

Jesus, our Lord, was handed over to death because of our failures
and was brought back to life so that we could receive God's approval.
- Romans 4:25

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin,
so that in him we might become the righteousness of God
(i.e. so that we could be made right with God through Christ)
- 2 Corinthians 5:21

Jesus, God the Son, quoting scriptures as He usually does, was partly quoting Psalm 22:1-2
and thereby, ACTUALLY was saying to Yahweh, God the Father:
God, God why are you preventing me from dying.
Why are you not helping or assisting me to die
I am on the brink of death yet You are not allowing me to die and be dead
This is why I was born and what I was born to do.
I am not afraid die because I was born to do this. I was born to die
I was born to die for mankind and their sin (i.e. Hebrews 9:22, Hebrews 2:9,14-15, 17)
Permit Me to die. Assist Me with carrying out My Purpose. Let Me die

Following that utterance, Jesus then breathed out and gave up His life, after He had cried out again once more nut in a loud voice, saying:
''Father, into your hands I present as suitable for approval or acceptance, my spirit''

otemanuduno:
Why You Should Not Worship Any God
Simple, the world and the universe as a whole isn't made for the purpose of worshipping but making findings:

⁶Come! Let's bow down and worship!
Let's kneel before the LORD, our creator!
⁷because he is our God and we are the people in his care, the flock that he leads.
if only you would listen to Him today!
- Psalm 95:6

orisa37:
Don't compare Jesus, a Spirit Son, with Humans. Christ is God. God creates

There's no disparity or anything to compare between the underlined of:
''Jesus, a Spirit Son'' & ''Christ is God''

The flesh and bones body is Jesus
and the Spirit Son (i.e. spiritual man, spirit in Jesus, mind of Christ, The Anointed One) is Christ
Jesus, a Spirit Son is Christ and in addition is God

orisa37:
Humans organise and for smooth organization, there must be contributions by members to run organizations.
Such contributions are Tithes and Offerings.

Tithes and Offerings contributions, in any way shape or form aren't what makes God tick
God no longer has any interests in nor anymore takes pleasure in Tithes and Offerings

2 Corinthians 9:7, states God's position on contribution clearly and without doubt says that
each MUST give what each have decided in each's heart, not with regret or under compulsion, since God loves a cheerful giver.

Give whatever you have decided and you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give, since God loves a cheerful giver

Dont give reluctantly or in response to pressure because God loves when its a case of the person giving readily and willingly

Gospelguru:
About 4years ago, A lady confessed to me how she had fallen from her first love with Christ and have now yielded herself to immoral living. She had walked in victory over that before so she knew the difference. Only thing now is ...amidst her striving to get back on her feet, there was a confusion that would have kept her down permanently.
The guy that was now coming to her house for fornication every Wednesday was a very knowledgeable teacher of the word
who after every sexual session would be baffled that she is feeling bad about what just happened. The girl was simply reacting to her doing something that was actually strange to the NATURE of the Spirit that now resides in her.
The guy was neither remorseful nor repentant about this each time
but would just stand up from the bed, confess some scriptures and re-affirm the finished works of Christ for that week.
Then still surprised about how the lady reacted, would scold her for her continual ignorance of the word, Prove to her from scriptures why she doesn't need to feel bad when she fornicates, teach her some confessions and set the next appointment for the sexual pleasure.
His confidence was that the fornications have been paid for in advance,
God has no more concern with what he does but what Jesus did... so no shaking!!
continue reading h t tp ://gospelguru..com.ng/2017/04/mr-bible-teacher-by-segun-coker.html

Then what is the implication?
Should we continue to sin because we are not controlled by laws but by God's favor?
That's unthinkable!
- Romans 6:15

For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters.
But don't use your freedom Mr Bible Teacher to satisfy your lustful sinful nature.
Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love
- Galatians 5:13

blueAgent:
Ok. So please tell me the law James was referring to in James 2:11

The laws explicitly commanded by Jesus Christ,
Unfortunately keeping the sabbath isnt any of the commands Jesus stated clearly and/or in detail,
leaving no room for confusion or doubt as He did with the other commands

blueAgent:
I guess you have not read
Romans 3:31
King James Bible
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

New International Version
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the Law.

Which law are we to be judged by or are we supposed to Uphold?

So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty
- James 2:12

SMH. You will be judged by the law of liberty and you are to uphold the law of liberty too.
I guess you have not read, speak and act as those who are going to be judged under the law of liberty (i.e. by the law that gives freedom)

CatfishBilly:
Coolgee and myself have given you different definitions of God, you refused to debate it.

You call those, definition(s) of God?

For sake of not wanting to reveal my ignorance and show myself up
I would have kept quiet.
Maybe give a ''no reply'' or ''I dont know'' response.

CatfishBilly:
Oya define God yourself let's debate, you still refused?
Which one you dey?

You cant handle the definition and truth, my friend

A88C:
base on all of the above defination given so far.
it shows athiest are not as smart as they claim. they only proof to be stubborn.
well i understand you can not give what you do not have,

CatfishBilly:
Fine, we are the dumbest people on Earth,
no wahala if it makes you snore well at night

Where did he call yall the dumbest people on Earth?
You are becoming more of a drama queen post by post

CatfishBilly:
Oya define God let's debate

Are you sure you have the stamina to debate after given the definition of God