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blueAgent:
Which one is law of faith?

Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. Through what law?
That of works? No, but through a law of faith
- Romans 3:27

blueAgent:
Keep confusing yourself, the truth is far from you.

But they were blinded in their understanding;
for until today whenever the Old Testament is read, that veil remains over them,
and it is not revealed that it is being abolished by The Messiah
- 2 Corinthians 3:14 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

You ought to make it your habit to start speaking & acting like someone who is going to be judged by the law of liberty
but you're at the moment unable to
because you are yet to understand that we will be judged by the law that sets us free and not by the Mosaic law

Splinz:
There you have it. Such guts and nauseating arrogance oozing from puny men.
Isn't it extreme foolishness to set aside God's own commands in place of human inventions,
and then somehow expects the supreme Being to concur?
Ridiculous!

"Have *you* also so little understanding?" Jesus replied...
- Mark 7:18

MZLady39:
The Bible is clear on the 7th day..
(and the Catholic church publicly acknowledges their alleged "change" of the 7th day Biblical Sabbath),
however many people don't know it just yet...

Something very important, most people don't know note is that, Jesus never taught, never preached and most definitely never told anyone to keep the Sabbath

Isnt it strange that, God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly repeats almost all the ten commandments
but nowhere in scripture did He ever in clear, specific and direct language talk about keeping the sabbath
(i.e. God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) didnt ever talked about keeping the fourth commandment)

If keeping is very dear & important, why, isnt the fourth commandment, like other laws from the ten commandments, as shown below, explicitly talked about, preached, taught or commanded by God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ)

Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed
but just read below the response, when God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ)
was asked about how to obtain eternal life.

The surprising truth in all the response(s),
is that there is no Jesus command about keeping sabbath to obtain eternal life
and/or no Jesus mentioning keeping the sabbath to obtain eternal life.
Interesting responses, aren't they?

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#1 “You shall have no other gods before me.

No one is able to serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and he will love the other,
or he will be devoted to the one and he will despise the other.
You are not able to serve God and mammon
- Matthew 6:24 Berean Literal Bible (Jesus commanding)

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#2 You shall not make for yourself graven images or likenesses in the form of anything in heaven above
or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
and you shall not bow down to them or worship them

"Get out of here, Satan," Jesus told him.
"For the Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.'"
- Matthew 4:10 KJV (Jesus commanding)

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#3 You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain

³³"You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, 'Never break your oath, but give to the Lord what you swore in an oath to give him.'
³⁴But I tell you don't swear an oath at all. Don't swear an oath by heaven, which is God's throne,
³⁵or by the earth, which is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, which is the city of the great King.
³⁶And don't swear an oath by your head. After all, you cannot make one hair black or white.
³⁷Simply say yes or no. Anything more than that comes from the evil one.
- Matthew 5:33-37 (Jesus commanding)

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#4 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
You, your family and any stranger that is within thy gates
Six days you shall work, but the 7th day is the Sabbath

- God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) no where explicitly nor remotely commands this commandment

Unlike the other commandments from the Ten Commandment list, altogther nailed to the cross with the fourth commandment,
the fourth commandment is not taught or mentioned by Jesus to be kept
because Jesus knew that unlike the other commandments there was no intention of reintroducing the fourth commandment of keeping the sabbath

The New Testament too, just like Jesus, repeats the other commandments from the Ten Commandment list but doesnt explicit mention nor commands to keep the sabbath

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#5 Honor your father and mother

¹⁸“Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,
¹⁹honor your father and mother and love your neighbor as yourself.’
- Matthew 19:18-19 (Jesus commanding)

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#6 You shall not murder

- “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered,
“‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness
- Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding)

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#7 You shall not commit adultery

- “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,
- Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding)

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#8 You shall not steal

- “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness
- Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding)

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#9 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor

- “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness
- Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding)

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#10 You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife
or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey
or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

¹⁷After He had left the crowd and gone indoors, His disciples began to ask Him about this figure of speech.
¹⁸"Have *you* also so little understanding?" Jesus replied;
"do you not understand that anything whatever that enters a man from outside cannot make him unclean,
¹⁹because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and passes away ejected from him?"
By these words Jesus pronounced all kinds of food clean.
²⁰"What comes out of a man," He added, "that it is which makes him unclean.
²¹For from within, out of men's hearts, their evil purposes proceed—fornication, theft, murder, adultery,
²²covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, reviling, pride, reckless folly:
²³all these wicked things come out from within and make a man unclean''
- Mark 7:17-23 (Jesus said: listen to Me and understand)

MZLady39:
like I didn't at one point in time

and now you're out of a frying pan into the fire

MZLady39:
The Holy Spirit will reveal it in due time to sincere and searching people

But they were blinded in their understanding;
for until today whenever the Old Testament is read, that veil remains over them,
and it is not revealed that it is being abolished by The Messiah
- 2 Corinthians 3:14 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

As seen above, Jesus' commandments and similar commandments in the NT ARE ALMOST THE SAME as the 10 commandments

Jesus' commandments and similar commandments in the NT ARE the 10 commandments RELOADED, less one

All the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated, after all the ten commandments were abolished.

The whole ten commandments after abolition were all, except for the fourth commandment, EXPLICITLY re-introduced, short this one and only commandment which for a very good and valid reason was left out

Whichever of two group of sabbatarians anyone is.
Whether an observer of Saturday as sabbath or an observer of Sunday as a sabbath,
you wont ever find in scriptures, Jesus nor the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath

Please my dear sister MZLady39 and brother Splinz, remember we will be judged by the law that sets us free and not by the Mosaic law
So, sister and brother, you therefore need to make it your habit to speak & act like people who are going to be judged by the law of liberty.

However, if you or Splinz, do have scriptures of Jesus or the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath,
please paste it here for all to read and to eat the humble pie
cc Goshen360, blueAgent, petra1, Ubenedictus, Oladimix, openmine

openmine:
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of ALL KJV

10 You might follow all of God’s law. But if you fail to obey only one command, you are guilty of BREAKING ALL OF THE COMMANDMENTS in that law. ERV

10 For the person who keeps all of the laws except ONE is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws.

JAMES 2:10

openmine:
The following are some of the laws...Which of them do you observe?

openmine:
To offer up incense twice daily (Ex. 30:7).

To observe the second Passover (Num. 9:11).

To eat the flesh of the Paschal sacrifice on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan (Ex. 12:8 )

To observe the procedure of the burnt-offering (Lev. 1:3).

To observe the procedure of the meal-offering (Lev. 2:1).

To offer up the meal-offering of the Omer on the morrow after the first day of Passover, together with one lamb (Lev. 23:10).

To offer up the regular sacrifices daily (two lambs as burnt offerings) (Num. 28:3).

To offer all sacrifices in the Sanctuary (Deut. 12:14)

²⁰When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ.
When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law.
Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law.
²¹When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ.
But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ
- 1 Corinthians 9:20-21

Exactly, ties in with the gist in 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 above,
and its more the reason the likes of blueAgent, Splinz & MZLady39 ought to have listened to or be listening to Jesus and follow the law of Christ

I am not free from God's law but when am in the spirit, I am under Christ's law, obeying the law of Christ
Likewise, I am not free from the law of gravity but when in the air, flying, I am under aerodynamics' law, obeying the law of aerodynamics

blueAgent:
So what is the law of liberty?

But when you are directed by the Spirit,
you are not under obligation to the law of Moses
- Galatians 5:18

It is about the freedom in Christ, under grace and the law of love (i.e. the royal law) according to Jesus
Funnily enough, the law of liberty is established, the same way the law of faith is established

blueAgent:
James told us that we should observe all the Laws

²⁰When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ.
When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law.
Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law.
²¹When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ.
But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ
- 1 Corinthians 9:20-21

What you really are looking for is an excuse for sabbath abi?
I doubt James told us that we should observe all the law on the sabbath

blueAgent:
You are trying hard to avoid my question

You this man, you have come again
and here I was thinking I am going to have a quiet weekend to myself to do other things needing to be dealt with

I havent tried any hard to avoid your question.
You see, you are mixing together two threads,
because I asked you on the other thread: Are you a learner?
and then said to you: Ought you by now, to have known that Paul was talking about of the law of faith.
That's is what you establish in order to override one law when using or applying a superior law. SMH

blueAgent:
I asked you which law did Paul say we should establish simple?

Paul simply was saying we should establish the law of faith.

It is easy to spot who lacks faith in the area, that the whole ten commandments after their abolition, were afterwards, all explicitly re-introduced except for the fourth commandment
Such wont believe this and hence the law of faith in this area doesnt get established by them

I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law
When in the air, flying, I am not free from the law of gravity but I am under the law of aerodynamics

Yours, Splinz's and MZLady39's choices, are due to a current level of recognition and understanding
Romans 12:3 confirms that the level of recognition and understanding in matters such as this topic
is in accordance with the received measure of faith God has distributed to each of us
and thats why it was easy for me to readily sympathise with and respect MZLady39 choice in the whole matter

blueAgent:
I guess you have not read this Bible verse.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

Love avoids doing any wrong to one's fellow man,
and is therefore complete obedience to Law
- Romans 13:10

What about it? Matthew 22:37-39? Isn't that about the royal law?
I guess you have not thoughtfully read the above Romans 13:10 verse

blueAgent:
The law of love you claim Jesus taught is based on the laws of the prophets. they are not different laws

You mean ''the law and the prophets'' and not the ''laws of the prophets''?
There is one difference.

The whole ten commandments after abolition were all EXPLICITLY re-introduced short one commandment
The omission of the fourth commandment after re-introducing the ten is the difference

petra1:
THIS IS NOT FROM REINHARD BONE. Its from you!

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No its not
It's from Reinhard Bonnke's FaceBook verified official account.
Log into Reinhard Bonnke's FaceBook to read the original. SMH

MZLady39:
MuttleyLaff,
My apologies for you not liking "sir". It's a respect thing. But I will respect your choice.

Your tone and words already conveyed it and I know you had good intentions with the ''sir'' thing
but using ''sir'' just became intolerable for me

MZLady39:
Laughter and humor is good for the soul when it's not at the expense of another

Claiming the sabbath hasnt been abolished is indefensible
but when posters whose ID we wont mention try to put up a defence,
what they write is so feeble and ridiculous as to deserve laughter or making fun of
Opting for the former, is why you see me downing the laughter tonic instead of outrightly make fun of post(er)

MZLady39:
Thanks for the decent conversation and your respect of my faith.
You know what I believe.... so we're good...

Wouldnt it be nice, if other posters are as mature and unruffled as you are
We can have a fall out, without needing to or taking it personal
Besides, thats the beauty of law of liberty, to respect your choice, as it's based on the current level of recognition and understanding

MZLady39:
I see however, that you like to play on words...

No, I dont like to play on words, my words are crystal clear
but some posters, inadvertently and some other posters with hidden agendas, inaccurately paraphrase some posts of mine they cant come to terms with

Whenever I share information or when exposing truths, I like making conscious efforts in selecting right words to use in my posts
so in essence, what I like doing is, to deliberately and intentionally pick certain words or phrases for maximum effect in all my communications

Maybe because my wordings, most times can be uncompromisingly forthright, that is why some think ''I like to play on words''

MZLady39:
nteresting..but you know and I know....that you very clearly understand what I believe smiley

I clearly understand that you believe in keeping the fourth commandment
but do you believe you're an Israelite too?
Do you also believe in the strict enforcements in Exodus 31:14?

MZLady39:
So are you saying that the 10 commandments are no longer biding

All the 10 commandments at some point stopped being binding
but before you start crying blue murder, almost all were brought back
The same 10 commandments, less one (i.e. the fourth commandment) were brought forward in the NT
Each one of the ten commandments, except for the fourth commandment were and are explicitly reintroduced or reinstituted by Jesus or the NT

MZLady39:
and that there is no specific day of rest for His people?

²⁸Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest
²⁹Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
- Matthew 11:28-29

Yes there is no specific day of rest for believers. Jesus gives us rest. Jesus Christ is now our rest
We have rest from the work of flesh. Jesus is the rest. Jesus is the true rest

Ubenedictus:
I guess what u are looking for is an excuse for sabbath abi?

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Kikikiki ki

Splinz:
Be easy on these people. You should know that as carnal men (Romans 8:7), they'll always hate the commandments of God, neither can they submit to Him. They'll do everything and even embrace wishful thinking & self-deceit that it is no more. So let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

Remember the instructions in 2 Timothy 2:23, and be guided accordingly.

Keep on encouraging him but you both will have a rude awakening when on the day of giving account, you find that when put on charge of lying, you are not referred to Leviticus 19:11 nor Exodus 20:16 but you are referred to NT Ephesians 4:15

Every charge for violating the "reloaded ten commandments less one", will be making references to the New Testament verses similar to Ephesians 4:15.

Don't let the truth piss you off.
You better start liking this truth, but if not, then lump it

blueAgent:
And what did the person tell us?

You have a bible don't you
In it, you'll find all that Jesus commands us and all the NT tells us to do.

Trust me, when you go through it, you will find Jesus commanding us and the NT explicitly telling us about all the Ten Commandments but without any mention of the fourth commandment

Mary once said about Jesus:
"Whatever He may say to you, do it"

Moses, before her too, about Jesus said: "Listen to Him and do whatsoever He says

Who you gonna listen to?
God the Son or Moses?

blueAgent:
Answer the question, which law did Paul ask us to establish?

Are you a learner?
Ought you by now, to have known that Paul was talking about of the law of faith.

That's is what you establish in order to override one law when using or applying a superior law. SMH

blueAgent:
What has Deuteronomy 18:15 and Acts3:22
have to do with God's law?

The person through who those ten commandments came through, in those two verses, tells you who to listen to and to listen to whatsoever the Person tells you.

blueAgent:
Please tell me what the commandments is?

Say pretty please

blueAgent:
Stop posting rubbish you cannot defend from the Bible.

I guess you have not read this Bible verses.
"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than
one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:17. "My
covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." Psalms 89:34. "All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for everand ever." Psalms 111:7, 8.

This verses say that not even a dot or T will be removed from the law, So where did you see that one law(the Sabbath was done away with)?

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Goshen360 is right, you're fixated on The Ten Commandments
and that's why I gave you Deuteronomy 18:15 and Acts 3:22 up there, but it seems there are yet to sink in with you.

blueAgent:
Stop diverting from my the question which law was Paul referring to Romans3:31. which he asked us to establish.

You diverted first to Nigerian Law, didn't you.
So what's good for blueAgent to do, is equally good for MuttleyLaff to do too in bringing in the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics to make you see the point and correlation

Ubenedictus:
actually the new command of love encompass the 9 commandment and even more. The scope of those commandments have been expanded.

Exactly my sentiment, less is more

The "new commandment" is a specific authoritative order. It is the pinnacle of all Jesus' and the NT commandments.

Its objective and final outcome is LOVE, this ultimately manifests when you abide and follow other Jesus' and the NT commandments.

blueAgent:
It Obvious you don't know your Bible.
Every one can claim to love God. so for you to prove that you love God you must obey his laws, the question is which laws?

I guess you have read this verse.

John 14:15
If you love me, keep my commandments.

Goshen360:
And those commandments are the 10?

blueAgent:
Yes.
Are there alternative laws? you could give us

Goshen360:
1 John 3:23

The ''commandment'' in 1 John 3:23 is a translation from the Greek word ''entole''
and it is a simple and specific authoritative order focusing on the final result of an activity(ies)
or focusing on the end result of processing other Jesus' and NT commandments

The objective and centre of interest of the specific authoritative order (i.e. commandment) given in 1 John 3:23, glaringly is love
(i.e. that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another as He commanded us)

Love is in the detail of all Jesus' and NT commandments and 1 John 3:23 is used to simplify them
The simplicity of 1 John 3:23, without getting a sense of being overloaded, allows us to understand all His commandments quicker and easier

Goshen360:
The problem with you guys is, whenever or wherever you see the "commandments", y'all quickly think or conclusion it's the 10.

It is a rookie blunder and false conclusion to think that way
Others are posting here because they have something to say...
but, blueAgent is posting because blueAgent just has to say something

Goshen360:
He never said, keep THE 10 commandments but rather, keep MY commandments

In fact, Moses said,
'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your brothers.
You must listen to everything he tells you
(i.e. Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you)
- Acts 3:22

“The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to Him you shall listen
- Deuteronomy 18:15

Well, this depends who they are listening to.
Listening to Moses, or listening to Jesus and the NT

Goshen360:
Jesus commandments ARE NOT SAME as the 10 commandments

Jesus' and the NT commandments ARE ALMOST THE SAME as the 10 commandments
Jesus' and the NT commandments ARE the 10 commandments, less one, RELOADED
It is apparent that less one commandment, is enough for Jesus and the NT

MZLady39:
Sorry Love the pic Sir Muttley! Am honored to have received one for my post!

No, it is me who is honored for receiving the laughter tonic you and others have been brewing up for me
I love people who make me laugh and love them more when they brew me up laughter tonics

MZLady39:
Sorry I'm an observer of the original Sabbath (Saturday) and that is the only Sabbath I now honor...with all due respect and not judging those that do not.

I respect your choice
and believe that exposure to truth does set one free

MZLady39:
Sorry but don't understand what the words "gangan paapaa" mean

Nvm
but if you insist "gangan paapaa" literally means ''precisely without vagueness''

MZLady39:
but I will say this:
You had said that the "Sabbath" was the only commandment that had been abolished. I was disagreeing with you smiley

Madaaaaaamm, I nowhere said:'' the "Sabbath" was the ONLY commandment...''
please go over the post(s), as what you'll find I said was: ''ALL commandment were abolished but only nine were reinstituted...''

MZLady39:
Sir Muttley

Its not Muttley, its the laugh, hence MuttleyLaff
and I love it better without a cringy ''Sir''

MZLady39:
Let me not get confused with you...
sorry but there wasn't any intention to misquote, misread or misunderstand you or pull a fast one

Fact remained that I was quoted inaccurately, werent I?
It's water under bridge now, nvm

MZLady39:
We are trying to get the facts right..am I correct?

You're correct, so far we stick to getting the full facts right when next repeating or paraphrasing published posts

MZLady39:
Where we disagree is the part where you say, "After all the ten commandments were abolished, all the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated"

You have to state clearly and in detail, leaving no room for doubt what you disagree with gangan paapaa in:
"After all the ten commandments were abolished,
all the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated"

MZLady39:
Love the pic Sir Muttley! Am honored to have received one for my post!
I'm an observer of the original Sabbath (Saturday) and that is the only Sabbath I now honor...with all due respect and not judging those that do not.
Sorry but don't understand what the words "gangan paapaa" mean but I will say this:
You had said that the "Sabbath" was the only commandment that had been abolished. I was disagreeing with you

Nobody is judging anyone, exposing the truth is what has all along being going on

Noooooo sister, haba, don't pull out fast one on me like that

Don't misquote, misread and stop misunderstanding what I typed

After all the ten commandments were abolished, all the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated

blueAgent:
I guess paul was talking about Nigerian Law when he said we should establish the law?

"Do we then make void the law
through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31.

You are out of your depth.

OK, I am so pleased that you've dragged Nigerian Law into this because the law of gravity etcetera questions which you were dodging earlier can show up here in a slight different form.

Do we then make void the law of gravity by jumping off a skyscraper without a parachute through faith. God forbid: yea, gravity is established.

Can you blueAgent sitting inside a Boeing 747 take off in the air and make the law of gravity void through faith. God allows: Yes, we establish the law of aerodynamics

blueAgent:
So Jesus was drunk when he said this?

Matthew5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these
least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

It won't be a first to be drunk with the spirit.
You should try it.

Now, talking of this Matthew 5:19 verse you unashamedly put up.
Have you ever sat down to think about what commandments was Matthew 5:19 talking about. SMH

Have another go but try harder, just don't tie yourself up in knots

Goshen360:
And those commandments are the 10?

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Kikiki ki

MZLady39:
Ok Sir Muttley,
You may provide scriptural references to back up your theory/belief...

So which of two group of sabbatarians would you be?
Are you an observer of Saturday as sabbath or an observer of Sunday as a sabbath?

MZLady39:
however as I always say, let's "agree to disagree"

Oooookay, Lady MZ "agree to disagree" over what gangan paapaa?

Goshen360:
So do you keep the Sabbath?

"For six days work may be done,
but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day,
a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD;
whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.
- Exodus 35:2

Dont only ask whether he keeps the Sabbath or not.
Ask him too, does he enforce the precept, underlined in Exodus 35:2 above?

Splinz:
Oh yes. Don't you know true Christians keeps it together with the rest of the law?

They keep only the reinstated nine laws restored from ten abolished laws nailed on the cross for public display

Ubenedictus:
Is that what ur bible says?

Mine says i cant be judged on sabbath observance.

COL 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

I thought you already know that he likes exceeding his prerogatives wherenever the subject of sabbath is tabled

blueAgent:
This Bible verse talks about the cremonial Sabbaths and not the weekly sabbaths.

Even if it's ceremonial Sabbaths, the truth remains that weekly sabbath has been abolished

MZLady39:
Correct sir. Unfortunately, people always get the two confused

though it is an unfortunate confusion and easy mixing up oversight to make
it doesnt diminish the biblical facts and truth that the fourth commandment (i.e. remember the sabbath to keep it holy) was abolished
and unlike its nine other commandment counterparts not restored or reinstated

dingbang:
After Jesus died, there was a new commandment......

Yes ooo
and the sabbath didnt smell the list, talkless be on the list like others did

dingbang:
the law was abolished giving way to faith and love

Yes the law was abolished
but nine out of the ten abolished laws were reinstated
The hammer dropped on the fourth commandment (i.e. Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy)
and was not restored by Jesus nor in the New Testament

Oladimix:
Observing a Sabbath day of rest/non-work was a command in theOld Covenant law (Exodus 20:8; 31:12–18). Christians are not under the law but have traditionally set aside Sunday as a day of worshipand rest in remembrance of the fact that Jesus was resurrected on a Sunday. Some view Sunday as the Christian Sabbath, essentially transferring the Old Covenant laws about not working from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday to Sundays. Even in an increasingly secular culture, many businesses are still closed on Sundays. Is this biblical?

It is important to understand that theNew Covenantnowhere commands worship or restricts work on Sundays. Biblically speaking, Sunday is not the Christian Sabbath. The New Testament describes Christians worshiping on Sundays (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2), but this is descriptive rather than prescriptive. Christians aredescribed as worshipping on Sundays, but Sunday worship is nowhere prescribedor commanded. Nowhere in the New Testament are Christians even described as setting aside Sunday as a Sabbath day.

The Sabbath day was an important aspect of the covenant between God and Israel. Exodus 31:17 states, “It [the Sabbath day] is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.” Prior to God giving the nation of Israel theMosaic Law, God nowhere required Sabbath observance. After Jesus’ death on the cross perfectlyfulfilled the Law, God nowhere requires Sabbath observance. Biblically speaking, Christians are not commanded to observe a Sabbath day on Saturday or Sunday or any other day of the week.

At the same time, following the creation pattern of six days of work followed by a day of rest is a good thing. Further, setting aside a day of the week to focus on worship in undeniably biblical (Hebrews 10:25), although we are to worship God every day, not just one day per week. And, ultimately, Jesus is our Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4).

In conclusion, no, Sunday is not the Christian Sabbath. There is no biblically commanded Christian Sabbath. But it is perfectly acceptable to set aside Sunday as a day for worship in light of Christ’s resurrection occurring on a Sunday. Also, making Sunday a day of rest to coincide with its being a day of worship seems a logical and, more importantly, biblically sound thing to do.

"For six days work may be done,
but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day,
a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD;
whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.
- Exodus 35:2

OP thank you for putting this write-up in the public domain,
though you left out Exodus 35:2, thank you still
I wonder who is enforcing Exodus 35:2

This sabbath something is very interesting and quite important
but it is bad that all you've shared is not well-known to believers who strictly observes Sunday as a sabbath
and that closet Seventh Day Adventists like the blueAgent or Splinz of this world dont take as gospel that the sabbath has been abolished

After first denying or resisting the truth about the abolition of sabbath, I doubt these two group of sabbatarians
(i.e. observers of Saturday or Sunday as a sabbath),
in light of supportive biblical evidences, <<notice the plural, will admit or agree that it is true that the sabbath has been abolished.

blueAgent:
You should have been a muslim, rather than spoil christainity

I am that I am, so never mind what I should have been
Moreover, I am more content, being I am that I am, than to be a muslim

blueAgent:
Wats has gravity and areodynamics has to do with the 10 Laws of God?

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;
- Ephesians 2:15

I know by now you've gotten the drift
but you're faking ignorance of their relationship with the 10 Laws of God because you dont want to face the truth

It is a no-brainer, that the same God, who introduced the Mosaic laws is same, who established the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics,

However, if honestly, you dont see the correlation the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics has with the 10 Laws of God,
then here are five general ideas, they share

Connection #1:
The Mosaic law or the 10 Laws of God, just like the law of gravity, is always there and will continue to exist

Connection #2:
What the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics have to do with the 10 Laws of God (i.e. the Mosaic laws),
is that the Mosaic laws, (i.e. the law of sin & death) just like the law of gravity is, can be made inoperative

Connection #3:
Just like the law of gravity can be stopped, can be nullified, can be cancelled, can be done away with, so the Mosaic law or the 10 Laws of God is

Connection #4:
Just like the law of aerodynamics, overcomes and goes beyond the limits of the the law of gravity,
so does this other wonderful and superior law that overcomes and goes beyond the limits of the 10 Laws of God (i.e. the Mosaic laws)

Connection #5:
The law of gravity is abolished in a plane's body by another law (i.e. the law of aerodynamics)
in the same manner, just like the 10 Laws of God (i.e. the Mosaic laws) mentioned in Ephesians 2:15 above,
are abolished in Jesus' flesh by another law (i.e. the law of the Spirit of life)


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petra1:
GBAM!

He switched from Pentecostal's first day of the week Sunday Sabbath to Saturday, the original seventh day of the week Sabbath he says. GBAM!

petra1:
The site is quiet enlightening. I want to ask,
Is pastor Dough a Pentecostal minister or Adventist

Doug Batchelor is a Pentecostal cum Seventh Day Adventist,
an ex-junkie, half Jewish half Gentle, son of multi-millionaire parents

petra1:
Also what's his opinion on sabbath. I couldn't get the details

He with complete sincerity and commitment believes in the sabbath

http://www.signstimes.com/?p=article&a=40031606241.786

The comments after his opinion are very interesting to read
amazingfacts.org/news-and-features/inside-report/magazine/id/10801/t/seize-the-day-keeping-the-sabbath-holypart-1
amazingfacts.org/news-and-features/inside-report/magazine/id/10802/t/seize-the-day-keeping-the-sabbath-holypart-2

blueAgent:
Your Bible skills got me laughing

Moses' Teachings couldn't accomplish everything that God required.
But we have something else that gives us greater confidence and allows us to approach God
- Hebrews 7:19

For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ
- John 1:17

Certainly, sin shouldn't have power over you
because you're not controlled by laws (i.e. for you not under The Written Law) but by God's favor.
- Romans 6:14

Certainly, there is a curse on all who rely on their own efforts to live according to a set of standards because Scripture says,
"Whoever doesn't obey EVERYTHING that is written in Moses' Teachings is cursed."
- Galatians 3:10

For whoever keeps the whole Written Law and slips in one thing, he is condemned by the entire Law
- James 2:10

But now we have died to those laws that bound us
(i.e. we have been released or exempted from The Written Law)
God has broken their effect on us
so that we are serving in a new spiritual way, not in an old way dictated by written words (i.e. the Old Order Scriptures)
- Romans 7:6

So Christ has truly set us free.
Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law.
- Galatians 5:1

Another good read is Romans 8:1-6

What you, called, bible skills that got you laughing, actually is, 2 Timothy 2:15 in action,
an approved & unashamed workman rightly dividing the word of truth

blueAgent:
like i said earlier just click that link and read for yourself
amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4983/t/written-in-stone

#5 What is the law of gravity, what does it do and/or what is it all about?
#6 What is the law of aerodynamics, what does it do and/or what is it all about?
#7 Does the law of gravity produce any effect whilst the law of aerodynamics is being made use of?
What's your response going to be? No or Yes?

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Why are you so petrified of answering questions #5 - #7 above reproduced?

It is a pitiable spectacle watching you repeatedly avoid answering questions #5 - #7
and watch your dire cringeworthy performance of needing somebody's else website to speak up for you

You just have to man up men. Talk to me yourself and dont palm me off to Doug
My discourse is with you blueAgent and not with Doug nor his amazingfacts website

Tbh, you know that, if you answer questions #5 - #7 it would dispel the myth you've entertained

Also, I suspect you're a closet Seventh Day Adventist
and that's another reason why are steering away from answering questions #5 - #7

You're chickening out from giving the correct responses to questions #5 - #7,
all because you're afraid your answers will shatter your illusion that the Ten Commandments cant be cancelled out or be rendered inoperative

blueAgent:
What is God?
What's your response going to be? Is God a spirit: Yes

Good answer

blueAgent:
#2 What then will His law be?
What's your response going to be? Will His law be ''The law of the Spirit''? No

Oh dear

blueAgent:
#3 What has the ''The law of the Spirit'' set us free from?
What's your response going to be? Has ''The law of the Spirit'' set us free from ''The law of sin and death''? No,

Yeepa!
You said ''The law of the Spirit'' has not us free from ''The law of sin and death''

blueAgent:
Who called it law of the spirit?

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death
- Romans 8:2

Yee! Where on earth are you asking such a rookie question like this for

blueAgent:
#4 What are some examples of the ''The law of sin and death''?
You are really mixing things up

Just answer the question jaare.

blueAgent:
What's your response going to be? Is the ''The Ten commandments'' one of some examples the ''The law of sin and death''?:No

Oooookay. If no, what is the law of sin and death then?

blueAgent:
Now, lets go up a gear a bit or step a bit in deeper waters
#5 What is the law of gravity, what does it do and/or what is it all about?

What has gravity to do with religeon?

It is a law introduced or established by the same God
Look up James 1:27, to know about what really is religion. SMH

blueAgent:
#6 What is the law of aerodynamics, what does it do and/or what is it all about?
#7 Does the law of gravity produce any effect whilst the law of aerodynamics is being made use of?
What's your response going to be? Yes?

It is Obvious you didn't understand What the law and its purpose is

Before Christ came, Moses' laws served as our guardian.
Christ came so that we could receive God's approval by faith
- Galatians 3:24

⁶He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant.
This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit.
The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.
⁷The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death,
though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face.
For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.
⁸Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?
⁹If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!
¹⁰In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.
¹¹So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever
- 2 Corinthians 3:6-11

It is obvious from your evading answers to some of the questions that you don't understand what the law and its purpose is.

Didnt you know or dont you understand that the law was a guardian until something better in Romans 8:2 & Galatians 3:24 turned up

Please brother, try again but this time truthfully answer questions #5-#7

blueAgent:
Your questions are not clear.
just click that link and read you will get all the answers and more.

#1 What is God?
What's your response going to be? Is God a Spirit? No or Yes?
#2 What then will His law be?
What's your response going to be? Will His law be ''The law of the Spirit''? No or Yes?
#3 What has the ''The law of the Spirit'' set us free from?
What's your response going to be? Has ''The law of the Spirit'' set is free from ''The law of sin and death''? No or Yes?
#4 What are some examples of the ''The law of sin and death''?
What's your response going to be? Is the ''The Ten commandments'' one of some examples the ''The law of sin and death''? No or Yes?

Now, lets go up a gear a bit or step a bit in deeper waters
#5 What is the law of gravity, what does it do and/or what is it all about?
#6 What is the law of aerodynamics, what does it do and/or what is it all about?
#7 Does the law of gravity produce any effect whilst the law of aerodynamics is being made use of?
What's your response going to be? No or Yes?

I've now made it clearer and easier for you to climb the mountain of seven questions above,
and so please stop underachieving by not answering them yourself
Trust me, hey, the view from the top is worth the climb and struggle of answering them

blueAgent:
My answer to all your questions is found here.

amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4983/t/written-in-stone

Express the responses yourself
and articulate your answers to each of questions in your own words without needing to refer me to someone's else website for your relief