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MZLady39:
Hi my brother MuttleyLaff,
Let me apologize for misinterpreting what I thought you were doing. I saw it differently...but I apologize.
I guess I tend to get too sensitive at times (which I have been told many times before).....

Anyhow, with that being said..I am going to gracefully bow out of "this" thread...

The statement regarding the "high Sabbath" vs. the weekly Sabbath concerning Christ' death..is what I cannot agree with because I've never studied that.
I will have to look into that further.
Have a wonderful weekend...

My dear sister, you know I always respect your choices.
It's not between us, ever been personal and no matter what I will never love you any less than the love of Christ I have for you.

Have a blessed and good weekend.

Thank you for your quietly appealing gentle and polite manners

petra1:
Not just for him and them but for other viewers on this forum

The other readers of thread are exactly the reason why I too have been taking part in the thread, so that, him, particularly doesnt spread his ignorance.
You are right, the viewers need to have accurate information and balanced view of the issues involved
Would have done a harmful action to the readers by ignoring the thread

Philadelphia:
Why did Jesus say this then?
"Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:"

What if He said that?
Now tell me. Did Jesus ever, explicitly say keep the sabbath

Anyway Jesus mentioned sabbath in that sentence to magnify and reflect the severity of the warning of what will happen concerning Jerusalem and particularly the temple
Are you not aware of Exodus 16:29 and how the Jews interpreted the latter part of it?

Now, if you fast rewind to 70 A.D., the penny will drop and you will understand why Jesus constructed that statement in that style or manner of speaking.

Philadelphia:
I have 2 questions for you:
1.) Are you a Christian (follower of Christ)? Then read this; Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
So, what is your argument again?

Something very important, most people don't know note is that, Jesus never taught, never preached and most definitely never told anyone to keep the Sabbath

Isnt it strange that, God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly repeats almost all the ten commandments
but nowhere in scripture did He ever in clear, specific and direct language talk about keeping the sabbath
(i.e. God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) didnt ever talked about keeping the fourth commandment)

If keeping the sabbath is very dear & important to Him, why, isnt the fourth commandment, like other laws from the ten commandments, as shown in where you've quoted me, explicitly talked about, preached, taught or commanded by God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ)?

Philadelphia:
2.) Was Paul a Christian? Obvious yes. He was among the disciples who was seen in Antioch where the name "Christian" was used to describe the followers of Jesus. Read; Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
So, what is your argument again?

As I correctly was pointing out to Splinz, the Gentiles that Paul was teaching to, on the sabbath, were Greek proselytes who converted to Judaism (i.e. Judaists using petra1's coinage) and NOT followers of Jesus
Paul was not keeping the sabbath but was attending the Jew & Greek gatherings on their sabbath day to convince & win them over with the gospel

Your ''followers of Jesus'' sic in Acts 17:2 are not followers of Jesus but are unbelieving Jews that Paul was again trying to win over with the gospel

You're familiar with the ''go ye into world and make disciples...'', well thaty's exactly what Paul was doing
He went into their world and was not a case of keeping the sabbath
The Jewish synagogue is usually a full house on a sabbath day

blueAgent:
You murder Bible verses.

To be honest, I am a little concerned you're being slayed by the same lethal drop-shot Bible verses and you dont yet know it

blueAgent:
answer my question with Bible proofs simple.
Is God's ten laws the same thing as the mosiac laws?

If when you say ''God's ten laws'' you mean the Ten Commandments
then ''God's ten laws'' is the same thing as the Mosaic laws, and the Mosaic laws we are talking of here, are the historic ones written on two tablets

Splinz:
That John wasn't on "The Lord's Day", i.e, the day of God's wrath?

Haven't I agreed that your Sunday worship is indeed a day of wrath? Keep deceiving yourself.

PS: Meanwhile, have you not seen the question I asked in my continuation page of this topic? What was the need of using maximum force and death threats to enforce your Sunday worship, a day supposedly used by the apostles and saints for worship?

petra1:
I know it's a little challenging for you to shift ground expecially when you've been raised in this inductrination.
But the truth is the truth. Do a search The lords day was Sunday.

1 Corinthians 16:2 (TLB)
2 On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once.

You are wasting your breath
He wouldn't recognise truth, even if truth walked up and bit him on the bum!
And here you are, asking him to search for truth
People refuse to hear the truth and don't like to search for it because they don't want their illusions destroyed

petra1:
This is just elementary bible truth.
Do a study you will see that you've been taught wrongly.
I just hope you have the liver to accept when you see it

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He has liver alright, but his liver is rejecting the truth
The truth is neither bad nor good, its just the truth
but he hasnt the mind to stomach it

petra1:
There's no Place like that in scriptures. They never forced anyone

Thank for this riposte
He was insulting intelligence that the bible forced anyone

blueAgent:
So God's law is now Mosaic law?

You must make it your habit
to speak and act like people who are going to be judged by the law of liberty.
- James 2:12
This question you asked shows you know little about a lot.
In fact, you really do understand but little of the truth. SMH.

blueAgent:
Stop confusing yourself with too much Bible verses.

At least you can now stop splitting hairs over your ''Which one is law of faith'' question

Splinz:
Grammar? Now that's quite childish.

Bro, I don't want to sound puff up. But the true is, you need more learning than I do. Both basic Scriptural truths and prophecies.

Why would you want to sound puffed up
when you're already doing a good job at expressing your keeping sabbath opinions in a pompous and dogmatic way

Splinz:
Thank you.
Whether you called it "Eschatology" or whatever coinage. The true is, I am fully loaded. You think you know prophecies... really?

Oh for goodness sake!

MZLady39:
MuttleyLaff,
Wow...I'm really disappointed in your behavior!
Trying to stir up strife.. and cause confusion
If I were way younger...maybe your tactics would've worked.
So sorry to disappoint you, but there will be no "fall-out" between me & my bro. Splinz.
Don't you have any siblings
You can have a disagreement or even a misunderstanding yet still be respectful & loving towards one another....
Even "free-thinkers" know that.
Don't let the enemy keep using you....my other brother
Till next time

I have no tactics, I have no strategies
I am not into stiring up strife, as I am not a confusionist

Weren't you two about to have an argument?
People fall out, it's no big deal because after the fall out, follows a kiss and make up

Please dont misinterpret my simple but telling observation as bad behaviour (i.e. claiming I am trying to stir up strife.. and cause confusion).
If this isnt an over reaction, I dont know what else to call it. SMH
Seems you're becoming sensitive to the words or posts of others here
and have started to interpret them in a negative way

It was a simple observational remark I made, but she is making a mountain out of a molehill over it
Don't give the enemy a foothold to use you ....my other sister from another mister

petra1:
The sabbath of Jesus death was not the weekly sabbath but the high sabbath

MZLady39:
I'm not quite sure that I agree with this statement sir.

Care to explain in details what you dont agree with in his statement
Should in case you're wondering whats my vested interest in knowing your reason(s), it was me who liked the post, as its gospel truth

Splinz:
On the contrary, Paul talked of the keeping of the Sabbath: “So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:9).

petra1:
That's a spiritual sabbath in Christ.
This is not making reference to a day . Christ is our rest . But concerning the sabbath of days which is a shadow of christ . The Bible is clear on that. It's case closed . It's a choice though. I can't judge for for observing it. Neither should you me

Romans 14:5
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Splinz:
Now this is funny. How did you coined it again: "A spiritual Sabbath?". Bro, wow... you must be a scholar! Your understanding of these things can befuddle one.

petra1:
What sabbath was being referred to here ?

Hebrews 4:8
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have said anything about another day.

They had the sabbath of days and week and years . But there's a true sabbath.
Which is a spiritual place in christ. By salvation we are legally in his sabbath . But it's only by faith we enter it practically . It's a place of trust to rest on his word.

Hebrews 4:9-11
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief

I tried warning you that anything and everything you write about, to Splinz, flies and just goes over his head
Now you have your work cut out for you educating him on the spiritual Sabbath

petra1:
From my study ,Christ was dead for three full days and for three full nights.
He was put in the grave Wednesday just before sunset and was resurrected at the end of Saturday at sunset.
The Jews count night first .

Genesis 1:5 (KJV Strong's)
. . . . And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Jesus was buried on Wednesday night >> Thursday night >> Friday night >> Saturday night, means He spent 3x nights in the grave
Thurday day >> Friday day >> Saturday day >> Sunday day, means He spent 3x days in the grave

So, Jesus after spending 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, then rose from the dead before sunrise on Sunday

We are saying the same thing as you can see from the above slightly edited with underlines for days and nights emphasis reproduced post

Splinz:
Another lie and false teaching. Bro, Jesus didn't rise on Sunday.
This is because your Good Friday crucifixion and early Sunday morning resurrection fails Jesus given SIGN woefully!

When asked by the Pharisees to show them a sign, Jesus replied and said: “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign; but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:39).

“Three days and three nights” is equivalent to 72 hours, i.e, 12 hours in a day (John 11:9) and 12 hours in a night, making it altogether 24 hours in what is commonly called “a day”.

In fact, Genesis 1:4-13 plainly says that God “divided the light from darkness. And God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night. And the evening [darkness] and the morning [light] were the first day…And the evening [darkness] and the morning [light] were the second day…And the evening [now THREE periods of darkness called night—three nights] and the morning [now THREE periods of light called day—three days] were the third day.”

This is the Bible’s definition of the length of time accounted for within the phrase “the third day.” It spanned three periods of darkness and three periods of light. It has been proven that each of these periods is twelve hours. Six times twelve hours equals 72 hours! What could be more plain?

So then, a late Friday afternoon entombment means a late Monday afternoon resurrection. It is as simple as counting one, two, three!

What! Did Jesus failed His own SIGN? No, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4). So you see, your claims that Jesus resurrected on Sunday is nothing but fictitious tales invented by those marked for destruction, to lead people into worshiping “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4), since the one and only true Jesus Christ of the Bible never resurrected on Sunday nor was He crucified on Friday. Bro, your theory falls like a pack of cards!

petra1:
He rose on Sunday the Bible was clear on that but if you're talking about 3 days and 3 nights.
It's because Jesus didn't die on Friday but Wednesday night

Close, He died on Wednesday but actually was buried on Wednesday night Petra1

Splinz:
Interesting! Oh, He died on Wednesday and rose on Sunday?

Yes

Splinz:
How many days/hours is that?

3 days and 3 nights spent in grave as prophesied

Splinz:
If Jesus died on Wednesday, doesn't that means that He resurrected on Saturday, the Sabbath day?

No, He didnt resurrect on Saturday, the Sabbath day
because when He died, He was buried on Wednesday night then rose before sunrise on Sunday.
Dont be surprised now. Or are you just knowing this?

MZLady39:
Bro. Splinz,
While I disagree with some of Petra1's interepretations, he is correct on Jesus having risen on Sunday.
Matthew 28:1...would confirm Sunday (as first day of the week) if we are calling Sabbath (Saturday-the 7th day).
Jesus was not in the tomb as Mary approached the tomb early Sunday.
It may not be the best approach to go into the full-day part (evening/morning) because that may cause more confusion.
I support you on most everything else

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The two of them are about to have a fall-out

Splinz:
Thank you. But you're wrong.
Jesus didn't rise on Sunday. Study the points I raised again. You'll see that the Fri-Sun traditions failed Jesus SIGN woefully!

Jesus was buried on Wednesday night >> Thursday night >> Friday night >> Saturday night, means He spent 3x nights in the grave
Thurday day >> Friday day >> Saturday day >> Sunday day, means He spent 3x days in the grave

So, Jesus after spending 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, then rose from the dead before sunrise on Sunday

petra1:
You didn't address the scriptures I posted.
You're quoting Paul imitating christ. Christ violated the law concerning the sabbath.
It was against the law to work or Labour on sabbath day. Christ did work heal, go to farm to harvest corn on sabbath day

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God
- John 5:18

petra1 Jesus did not violate the law concerning the sabbath
It is the Pharisees who accused him of breaking the sabbath and making Himself equal to God

What Jesus had been doing was correcting the application of the keeping the sabbath
and this He did, by doing things, the right way or manner, on the sabbath
e.g. heal the sick who have no rest from sickness, feed when hungry to have rest from hunger pangs etcetera
The Pharisees, were hypocrites, they worked on the sabbath but insisted the people not to even when it is justified to do so

petra1:
So if Paul's imitation of christ was about the sabbath then it's a violation of the sabbath Paul was teaching us to emulate

Bottom line is that neither Jesus nor Paul have ever explicitly commanded the keeping of sabbath

Splinz:
Musketeers armed with the truths.
Fully rooted and built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the Chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20).
Indeed, it is a privilege.

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Too serious over estimation

Splinz:
Sorry, you're wrong. Lets see which day the early Church kept.

Paul and Barnabas Teach on the Sabbath).

Bro did you see that!?? “And THE NEXT SABBATH” Not “AND THE NEXT SUNDAY!”

petra1:
You're right.
They went to the sinagogue to preach to the Jews the Judaists but not the church gathering. The church meets on sundays

Splinz:
Apparently, you don't get it. Both Jews and the Gentiles were taught on the Sabbath. These are biblical facts! Nothing like the Church meetings on Sunday.

Besides, do you not know that a Christian is also a Jew? (Romans 2:29). And that salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22)? So who are the Jews and the Church?

Such bold statement of yours simply means you don't really know much about who a Christian is. Such a sad reality

petra1:
I'm trying my best to overlook your rudeness . Maybe to you it's a weapon of intimidation. But I will advice you to humble yourself and stop assuming position of a master so that just in case you are proven wrong you can accept . Gods word should be communicated in humility. It's just my word of advice to you.

Now back to the topic . You want to know why Christians worship on Sunday . You asked the question . Pls kindly be patient to hear the answers . You already made it clear that you don't know that there is a difference between the day of the lord and the lords day. You made it known to us all also that you don't known that Sunday is the lords day . So pls kindly allow me to expresss my knowledge freely and read it with open mind ...

I will go over my points again

petra1, anything and everything you write about to Splinz flies and just goes over his head

One example of Splinz's bunch of ignorances, is here where he has it in his head, that the Gentiles Paul visited are believers, when they were not

The Gentiles that Paul was teaching to, on the sabbath, were Greek proselytes who converted to Judaism (i.e. Judaists using petra1's coinage)
Paul was not keeping the sabbath but was attending the Jew & Greek gatherings on their sabbath day to convince & win them over with the gospel

petra1:
It would have been very nice explanation to dismiss the Sunday worship except that. He waited a whole week to appear to them again on another Sunday. If the first Sunday evening appearance was a coincidence. What about second week.
On another Sunday when they were gathered together.
Why Sunday? Simply because the church services were held every Sunday. It wasn't a roman invention .

Why collecting special offerings on Sunday for jesrusalem? Why not Monday or Saturday sabbath?

Ah dont you know why, it is because Saturday is sabbath, a day of rest now.
You can't be expecting believers to be collecting special offering on Saturday

petra1:
Kindly watch your tongue brother.
If you have something to say, kindly share it from scripture.
I don't converse with rude talkers .

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Dont mind him.
He was getting carried away, that's the reason for his jeering and snide remarks

Splinz:
John 20:19

“Then the same day at evening, being THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you.” Was this a Sunday worship service? Was it to celebrate Christ’s Resurrection?

Christ had just been resurrected—late Sabbath afternoon, between 3 and 6 p.m. Some disciples had gone to the tomb early Sunday morning to see if He was there. Other accounts we will review demonstrate that He was already gone—already “risen.” His first opportunity to see the disciples would have been on Sunday—the first day of the week. He had just been horribly tortured and crucified, and gone for three days in the tomb. It was natural for Christ to meet with them right after this had happened.

The account says nothing of this being a “worship service,” or a “resurrection service.” The brethren were meeting privately, probably secretly in a closed room, “for fear of the Jews.” Remember, the Jews had crucified their friend and Master. They would have had much to discuss. Also remember that they had all been living together in this single upper room (Acts 1:13). It was also impossible that the meeting was some kind of “Sunday resurrection celebration,” because the disciples did not believe that Jesus was risen (Mark 16:14; Luke 24:37, 39, 41)!

There is certainly nothing in this account that references either Sunday or that the Sabbath is done away.
Therefore, we conclude that it contains no authority for changing God’s Sabbath to Sunday.

Hurray, hallelujah, he agrees that, we can conclude that there is no authority for changing God’s Sabbath to Sunday

Splinz:
This is nothing short of a heartbreak to me, really. So the "Lord's Day" is Sunday? Indeed!

The Lord's Day
Like many of other Scriptural truths misinterpreted and misunderstood, mainstream churchianity has always termed their Sunday worships as worshiping on the "Lord's Day". This would have been humorous had it not been for what truly is the Lord's Day according to Scriptures.

Understand. There are numerous Scriptural references to the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2: 12-18; 13: 9; Jeremiah 46: 10; Joel 1: 15, 16; 2 Peter 3: 10, Amos 5:18-20, etc.). And all of these passages speaks of the "Day of God's Wrath" on rebellious mankind. Listen: "Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light" (Amos 5:18).

And besides, notice that Revelation does not say "the first day of the week" or "Sunday" is what John calls the "Lord's Day". So then, according to the true meaning of the Lord's Day, John was taken in the Spirit to a great Day in the future. A day of great anguish, pains, sorrows and gnashing of teeth! The plaques spoken of in Revelation will be poured out on disobedience children. Again, listen to this lengthy passage:

"The great day of the LORD is near, near and hastening fast; the sound of the day of the LORD is bitter, the mighty man cries aloud there. A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of trumpet blast and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the lofty battlements. I will bring distress on men, so that they shall walk like the blind, because they have sinned against the LORD; their blood shall be poured out like dust, and their flesh like dung. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth" (Zephaniah 1:14-18).

So then, we see that the Lord's Day is no day for worship but a day of great wrath revealed to John! This was to warn us to desist from sins in other to escape this gloomy day for sinners! How could the early Church have desired such a day, and why should you? God forbid!

PS: Beautiful and desirable is a day God calls “My holy day”, and that day is the Sabbath day (Isaiah 58:13).
Why not desire this holy day, and save yourself from wrath?

Above when he said,
Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you desired not, neither had pleasure in them; which are offered by the law;
(i.e. these are offered according to the law of Moses)
- Hebrews 10:8

⁹But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles?
Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?
¹⁰You are trying to earn favor with God by observing certain days (e.g. keeing the sabbath) or months or seasons or years.
- Galatians 4:9-10

¹³Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations-- I cannot bear your
worthless assemblies
¹⁴I hate your New Moons and prescribed festivals. They have become a burden to Me; I am tired of putting up with them.
- Isaiah 1:13-14

Every day is holy unto the Lord
God is tired of putting up with your sabbath. He cannot stand them, so please pack it in and close the sabbath keeping shop
I really do hope you surely and truly are heartbroken, because, at least this way, the truth will seep into you through the cracks

Splinz:
Oh really!? Wow... I'm not in the know that the early Church worshiped on the "Lord's Day". Well, lets find out

Isn't this remark typical, as usual he is pretending to knows less about something that is public and bible knowledge.

Splinz:
Before examination, let’s read the first three verses of this chapter to put verse 2 in context: “Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do you. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. And when I come, whomsoever you shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.”

This passage supposedly gives authority for passing the “collection plate” every Sunday. Does it represent a general command to all Christians, for all time, to give freewill offerings at “Sunday services”? No! However, the passage does speak of an offering, a collection to be taken up for a specific purpose. The offering described here is unique in five ways. As you read these points, see if there is even a remote indication or hint that God in any way commands or authorizes Sunday-keeping through it.

First, it is a specific offering described in Romans 15:25-28: “But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it has pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. It has pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal [physical] things. When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain.”

This passage shows the collection was “for the poor saints…at Jerusalem.” It was not a collection plate passed on Sunday. The Jerusalem saints were to receive food because they were suffering from drought and famine. The Greek word translated “fruit” can also refer to grain, produce or wine, which can be stored for long periods.

There is no reference to money here. There is also nothing about giving a collection to the minister or a church hierarchy.

Second, it was done at one specific time—when Paul passed through (“I will come by you into Spain”).

Third, it was given at one specific place (“let everyone of you lay by him in store”). This is because Paul would come later (vs. 3 – “when I come”) to gather what brethren had been saving at home (“lay by him in store”). This was not an offering kept at the church, or given every—or any—Sunday.

Fourth, this command is specific to the Corinthians (vs. 1). There is no command for Sunday collections here, but merely instruction to local brethren to store an important offering for poor brethren!

Fifth, this letter was received in Corinth during the Days of Unleavened Bread. “First day of the week” should properly be translated “first of the weeks (plural).” The collection was almost certainly to happen immediately after the Days of Unleavened Bread, in the first week counting toward Pentecost.

Verse 4—“and if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me”—coupled with verse 3 referencing “them,” shows that it took several people to transport this large offering to Jerusalem. This would not be necessary if it was simply cash and coins taken up in an offering plate. It would be necessary if much food and drink was involved.

What a load of guff. This twaddle is hard to believe.

Splinz:
So bro, there's no such proofs here that the early Church worshiped on Sundays.
Now, lets look at your next point...

SMH. You need to be reminded that there's no proof that the early Church worshiped or broke bread on Saturdays

MZLady39:
Oh MuttleyLaff,
My brother....you have to get out and get some fresh air.....(meaning another thread).
Take a break from this thread..venture out, spread your wings, post some comments.. and then, if you can't resist, please come back.

From your sister...the lady musketeer in the trio

My sister, I know you rather, I stroke Splinz's ego and tickle his toes than be responding to all this his pontificated self-indulgent twaddle

Splinz thinks that him writing long posts about keeping the 4th commandment and Saturday as sabbath, makes him look right.

He fails to know that there is nothing wrong in worshiping on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday
and wont accept that we're free to worship God on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday, if we, so want to.

The NT and the law of liberty are who have authorised this complete freedom to act as one wishes regarding which day to worship God

If none of Jesus' disciples or apostles ever took Sunday to be a rest day or the Sabbath.
why would any right thinking person assume that Sunday is a believer's sabbath.

Without mincing words, specifying a day, whether Saturdays or Sundays, to be set aside, purposely and particularly for keeping as sabbath, is all that's completely wrong and totally false

MZLady39:
Sir Splinz, Again well done...

blueAgent:
And how does this prove that the Sabbath is no longer valid?

Splinz:
Oh, it was obviously an erroneous understanding.
I've corrected the wrong impression

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The Three Musketeers

Splinz:
Bro, you must not join others in peddling the word as a merchandise. I think you may be in a dilemma.
As probably an ardent worshiper on Sunday, you have to somehow reassure yourself that it doesn't matter whether you worship on Sunday or Saturday. After all, you just know that "Christ is Sabbath"

Whichever of any of two group of sabbatarians anyone is.
Whether one is an observer of Saturday as sabbath
or whether one is an observer of Sunday as a sabbath,
you wont ever find in scriptures, Jesus nor the NT explicitly commanding anybody to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath

Splinz:
You don't have to deceive your own self. While it is true that Christ gives rest to His saints and that the Sabbath means "rest", it is also true that Christ and the Sabbath are two separate entity—Christ as the Author/Maker, and the Sabbath, what He made and ordained as a law that must be kept. It is important that you understand the difference

It is important that you understand that Jesus has absolute ownership of the sabbath,
and that if keeping the sabbath was that important to Him, why then didnt He at least just once mention that the sabbath be keep
It is on record that Jesus explicitly commanded obeying each of the other 9 commandments, but was silent on the 4th commandment

Splinz:
Did you suddenly went blind in verse 9 of this same chapter? You also have to see it: “There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.”

The margin of the Oxford edition of the King James Version gives the correct meaning of the word translated “rest.” Translated from the Greek word Sabbatismos, it means “a keeping of a (the) Sabbath.” This verse, in its given context, should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God.” Rather than being done away with, we find that the Sabbath still “remains.” In fact, this is how New International Version of the Bible renders it: “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God.”
Do you see how Paul is upholding the 4th commandment? It is no surprise!
He (Paul) as well as the rest of the apostles and saints kept the Sabbath, just as Christ kept it and left them/us an example to follow in His steps (1 Peter 2:21)

What!
I cant believe you tried pulling wool over petra1's eye with this one of the sabbatarians' favourite lame stunt
My dear brother Splinz, Paul as well as the rest of the apostles and saints DID NOT KEEP the Sabbath, just as Christ kept it

Splinz:
Interestingly enough, this is Paul talking. And we know that Paul did not “consult flesh and blood” (Galatians 1:16) but was directly instructed and taught by the Living Jesus Christ! And aside this fact, all Scriptures is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
So, what other proof does one then need to know that the keeping of the Sabbath as a day of rest still remains for the people of God

What other proof does one then need to know, other than, that the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father seeks such to worship him.
And God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
Not worship Him on a Saturday as sabbath or on a Sunday as sabbath

Splinz:
Anyway, I'm not unaware of the fact that these truths if accepted, exposes and shattered long held and cherished traditions of men.
So, the carnal mind will rather continue with his traditions than accept God's commandments

I wonder what the long held and cherished traditions of men are which you thought you will be shattering

Splinz:
Sorry. On the contrary, whatever spirit gave you this revelation is not of God, obviously

Hmmm....lobatan

johnie:
That's Bobby Benson!

Naptu2, your comments are welcome.

Its a honest my bad
In there, he looked like a Baba Sala doppelganger
I too, was thinking, it didnt add up and wondered what is a comedian doing in a group of music artistes

nyabingi:
From left Onyeka onwenu, Christy Esien Igbokwe, Chris Okotie, Sunny Okosuns, King Sunny Ade, President Shehu Shagari, Chief Eddy Okonta, Sir Victor Uwaifo, Chief Ebenezer Obey...the good old days without Pman wahalla!

DjAndroid:
Thank God I can see an elder like me here, arguing with the indomie generation wey full Nairaland is tiresome always. Bros Nyabingi wah gwaan? Jah know star, I love the good old days when TV broadcasts started by 4pm.

Didn't you spot Moses Olaiya, the alawada comedian, whose stage name is Baba Sala, standing between Shagari and Victor Uwaifo at all?

petra1:
Christ is sabbath

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his

IT's a place in Christ by revelation

MZLady39:
So are you saying that the 10 commandments are no longer biding
and that there is no specific day of rest for His people?

MuttleyLaff:
²⁸Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest
²⁹Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
- Matthew 11:28-29

Yes, there is no specific day of rest for believers. Jesus gives us rest. Jesus Christ is now our rest
We have rest from the work of flesh. Jesus is the rest. Jesus is the true rest

Exactly petra1, Jesus, is the Lord of the Sabbath.
He, as it were, is the Owner of the sabbath.
and as Owner of the sabbath, you dont hear Jesus saying: Keep the sabbath
Jesus never repeats the 4th commandment, the same way He explicitly repeats and commanded each of the other 9 commandments

So, yeah, it's not just about a specific day, and it has nothing to do with the fourth commandment
The law of liberty in Romans 14:5 is providing clear evidence that there is no specified day
Galatians 4:9-12 (i.e. New Living Translation) on the other hand, criticises this on grounds of going back to weak and worthless principles

thecornerstone:
Good Morning Seun,

As much as I admire your courage in exposing the lies and fraud that abound in religious circles spread abroad the land, I am afraid you are also guilty of railing against the living God and His Christ.

Busayo Awomolo (bawomolo) did the same thing you are doing, and the Lord bore with him only for so long, and then sent an executioner to take his life.

Beware Seun, you are filling up the measure of your sins.

One day, you will be humbled, either in mercy when your kneecaps would be broken at the feet of His cross,
or you will be humbled in wrath when your body and soul is eternally destroyed in hell.

Just a word of advice for you.

Seun has got to have big kahoonas to be picking fights with someone like God who towers over him.
He must be now quaking in his boots after this dire warning, that if not stopped, his insolence will get him in trouble with God

MZLady39:
MuttleyLaff,
Oh was just being playful....but I can credit you for continuing a long and drawn out debate with my brothers

God is not unjust.
He will not forget any work, not forget how hard we've worked for him
and neither the labour of love, how we have shown our love to Him, by caring for other believers, in continuing exposing the brothers to truths

MZLady39:
However, they don't need me to rescue them. They've got it

You rescuing them was me writing with tongue in cheek

You dont have diddly-squat on Jesus repeating keeping the sabbath, just like He repeated and commanded each of the remaing 9 commandments

MZLady39:
I'm at the point where no scripture will prove anything, if a person's mind is closed

Forget proving,
as if you're so sure of such verse, why cant you confidently paste it here,
where the just one verse will do, for all to read and to eat the humble pie. SMH

By the way, ''... if a person's mind is closed'', is exactly what 2 Corinthians 3:14, is echoing has happened to your stance in this whole matter

MZLady39:
Sincerely pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you. That's what I did

Tbh, you're in self-delusion
and you being obstinate, is like a washed pig returning to the mud

MZLady39:
Was very shocked at first...but I love it now. It's not just about a day

Exactly. It's not just about a day, as it has nothing to do with the fourth commandment
and this is what the law of liberty in Romans 14:5 is providing as clear evidence of.
Check out Galatians 4:9-12 as well (i.e. New Living Translation)

MZLady39:
however it's about obedience to Christ.

But you however, are unable to provide the red verse
and thereby unable to show your obedience to Christ of Him, explicitly telling us, anywhere in the NT, to keep the 4th commandment

MZLady39:
Hi MuttleyLaff,
Wow!!! I'm an avid reader & love the written language...
BUT you wrote a mini book and my eyes are getting strained...

I am so sorry about the mini book and your eyes getting strained

To be honest with you, I am not really a keen fan of writing long Nairaland posts
just for the main reason, that most readers havent got the patience or concerntration to read long posts straight from start to the end

I also try to avoid doing long posts because it most times, alienates, befuddles and disorientates the reader

I made exception to this rule, out of needing to do a ''measure for measure'' response to Splinz's blathering post(s)

MZLady39:
Haven't Brothers Splinz & blueAgent already given you numerous scripture passages for your answer?

No, neither have given me an explicit scripture verse where God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) has explicitly commanded to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath.

They both were providing numerous off-target scripture passages instead of giving just, one NT verse
I only asked for a teeny-weeny verse showing where God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly commands to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath,
or show a a teeny-weeny verse of the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath

I doubt you yourself, will ever be able to come to their rescue, by providing a scripture of where God whilst on earth
(i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly commands believers to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath,
or give a NT verse explicitly commanding believers to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath

But if you're so sure of such verse, please convincingly & confidently paste it here, where the just one verse will do, for all to read and to eat the humble pie

MZLady39:
Come on my brother....why such opposition to this?

Come on my sister, give me, at least some credit....
Now just because I am not giving in to the ill-informed opinions and misinformation about the fourth commandment you term it opposition.
I am not taking sides, but merely revealing the ignorance and exposing the truth about the keeping Saturday or Sunday as sabbath

MZLady39:
To your following statement:
"and now you're out of the frying pan into the fire"

You know it is nothing personal, as I do understand you
It's just me in that remark, being truthful and straightforward with you

MZLady39:
Well, all I can say is that I count it a privilege to burn up for the truth

Keeping Saturday or Sunday for sabbath purposes is not part of the gospel God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) preached

The truth like this one, will set you free, but first, it will piss you off

But it's a pity that sometimes, people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed
and its now no wonder, everyone's pissed off when exposed to the truth that God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ)
DID NOT EXPLICITLY command believers to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath

Splinz:
This account teaches an extremely important lesson

This account is full of the most amazing blather
It is just like watching paint dry, it is boring and nothing stimulating about it or in it.

Splinz:
Only God controlled these factors, not Moses or any other human being.

In fact, Moses said,
'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your brothers.
You must listen to everything he tells you
(i.e. Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you)
- Acts 3:22

“The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to Him you shall listen
- Deuteronomy 18:15

And this is why the NT and Moses in Acts 3:22 and Deuteronomy 18:15 above, pre-warned and advised that you listen to Jesus

Splinz:
The Being who blessed and set apart the Sabbath as holy time proved that He could provide for those who observed and kept it. This event also emphasizes that the seventh day was sanctified—set apart—as the Sabbath before the Ten Commandments were officially given to Israel. People who keep God’s commandments today will find that God will provide for them as well!

Stop boring all, with long-winded posts without making very much sense
You mentioned in your post on the other thread, consequences of breaking physical laws of gravity and inertia
but convenietly forgot or deliberately ignored to mention applying the law of aerodynamics when breaking the law of gravity

My friend, sorry to bust your bubble,
but you break a spiritual law with a superior and better spiritual law,
and this way, it wont result in spiritual consequences.

Do yourself and all a favour by providing scriptures of where God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly commands to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath,
or of the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath,

The Being who blessed and set apart the Sabbath is Jesus, who happens to be Owner of the Sabbath (i.e. Lord of the Sabbath)
so please paste it here, where the just one verse will do, for all to read and to eat the humble pie