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MZLady39:
Sir,
Okay...I'm "fake", "plastic", "infantile", "delusional", "playing games" etc....
Anything else to add?
Again I don't know what I did to you....Lord knows I don't. But whatever "it" is...be grown and address it. Life is too short.
Stop shaking your head so much.....that thing is gonna fall off.

From day one I saw through you and your false humility.

If you're asking about anything else to add, then, now you've turned paranoid and becoming unnecessarily worried that you've done something to me

Is it your head? If it doesn't fall off, come and pull it off then.

MZLady39:
Hi MuttleyLaff....
Since you mentioned me...I just wanted to say "hello" and move on.
I couldn't read all of that...remember the strain on my eyes??
What was your age again?? Nevermind, I know you'll only speak in riddles.
Hope you have a lovely day sir!

You are not just so plastic but increasingly becoming infantile too. SMH.
Ever heard of "if you want to hide information from a plastic person, put it in a post"

blueAgent:
"Sometimes people don't want to
hear the truth because they don't want their
illusions destroyed" - Friedrich Nietzsche

You can't even be original, still love the way you dug up that quote from my personal text after looking up my profile though

blueAgent:
CLOWN.

You wrote and said that looking in the mirror

alchemist13:
According to Mark and Matthew, Jesus did not come to abrogate the Law, but to obey perfectly and teach others to do likewise. Which brings us to the interpretation of Matt. 5:17-18

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Splinz:
Bro, it is so unfortunate that some people don't understand the import of Matthew 5:17-18.
For goodness sake, it is not rocket science to understand!
It says “...until heaven and earth disappear [i.e, forever, since the earth is established forever (Ecclesiastes 1:4, Psalm 104:5, 119:90]” that absolutely, nothing will be done away from the Law until all of them are kept.
In other word, the Law must be kept forever. Plain! Christ kept all the Law perfectly, and left us an example to follow His steps (1 Peter 2:21).

And he said unto them,
These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me
- Luke 24:44

SMH, I dont know why it is this challenging to properly understand Matthew 5:17-18
In Matthew 5:17, Jesus DID NOT say:
"Think not that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I come not to destroy them but to make them continue forever"
but rather what Jesus SAID, in Matthew 5:17 is:
" Think not that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I come not to destroy them but to fulfill them"

So, keeping Luke 24:44 above, in mind, and again, as previously asked, the question is:
What is the ''them'' (i.e. the Law or the Prophets) and what about ''them'' has Jesus come to fulfil?

Now, revisiting Matthew 5:18, what Jesus made in that verse is a conditional statement, where He referred to two conditions and a probable outcome or result

The first condition being that:
''until heaven and earth disappear'' meaning ''up to the point when heaven and earth disappear (i.e. Revelation 21:1 Matthew 24:35 etcetera) not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law

The second condition being that:
''until everything (i.e. everything being all that is written about Him in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms) is accomplished''
then the probable outcome or result is that:
'' the smallest letter, or the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law'

Splinz, no where did Jesus mention or suggest forever
and please dont even say ''...until heaven and earth disappear'' means forever
or that since the earth is established forever, recall above giving Revelation 21:1 and Matthew 24:35 which counters this faux pas of yours

Also Splinz, just as I earlier put to alchemist13, about putting the cart before the horse,
if Jesus were to first abolish the law and prophets, what will remain to be fulfilled?
Yeah, nothing, but when all is accomplished, then what needs abloished, gets abolished

Dont you both understand that what Matthew 5:17-18 is saying that:
the law and prophets will hold out, possibly forever, UNTIL they be fulfilled first.
The law and prophets are/were waiting patiently for all they've said or prophesied about Jesus to be fulfilled
and IT IS NOT saying that the law and prophets will be forever in a way that never ends or changes

Please be mindful of Luke 24:44 when yall (i.e. you, blueAgent, MZLady39, alchemist13 and the rest) next think of Matthew 5:17-18

Splinz:
You're right, there's no such passage—a passage stating that the Law has been abolished. Obviously, what is forever can't be done away.

The commandment haters (Romans 8:7) normally quote Hebrews 8, especially verses 7 & 13 to show that the covenant abolished there is the Ten commandment. Is this so? Of course no, it is simply a case of quoting Scriptures out of context, as we will see. But before then, the reader should notice verse 10 of this same chapter: “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.” So the question is: What “laws” will God put into our minds and write in our hearts? And yes, before someone ridiculously claim that it is the “law of liberty” [I wonder which law is the one of bondage, since it is written that “...His commandments are not burdensome” 1 John 5:3] or it is the “law of love”, a new commandment (John 13:34), let such a person first of all tell us which law is that of bondage and what is love according to God.

Now to Hebrews 8. To understand what is being related in this passage, particularly verses 6, 7, & 13, one simply have to read from verse 1! From verse 1 down, it is crystal clear that the covenant found “faulty, decayed, waxeth old and vanished away” is none other than the covenant or law establishing the Old Covenant Priesthood. Yes, the priesthood was an institution on its own. This covenant was certainly faulty because it was administered by sinful men and also laborious. The priest has to offer burnt sacrifices first for his sins before that of the people, so the process was certainly burdensome! But with Christ as our Eternal High Priest, “A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man”... “...after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God” (Hebrews 10:12). In fact, Hebrews 9 & 10 consolidates Hebrews 8, even 7. They all speaks of the Old covenant priesthood and that of the New, showing that the latter is better.

In all of these chapters, no passage is even remotely suggesting that the Ten Commandments called “holy, righteous and good” has been abolished!

This has been addressed and openmine after me too, duly impressed, provided verses to back up that the Law has been abolished
so what you've put up here is an irrelevant post

alchemist13:
So what then is the cause of all this confusion?
The answer is due to the influence of Paul the Apostle, and Luke his protege and many others.
It is this people that directed the course of Christianity, which was just a sect in Judaism at that time, into what we have today. I will get back to this latter.

Splinz:
Apostle Peter said it all. He said this of Paul, that “He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16). Bro, this is the truth, and not that there's any confusion. The ignorant and unstable people distort/twist what Paul wrote, to their own destruction!

The immediate above is another example of an off title and off subject comment

alchemist13:
This is getting ridiculous now.

I mean you guys cannot agree on one issue using the same Bible.
Shouldn't that tell you something about the Bible?
Perhaps as someone as already pointed out, you guys need another Ecumenical Council

When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into the full truth.
He won't speak on his own. He will speak what he hears and will tell you about things to come.
- John 16:13

We are of God:
he that knoweth God heareth us;
he that is not of God heareth not us.
Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
- 1 John 4:6 KJV

Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit,
for the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God
- 1 Corinthians 2:10

It would seem from the above verses, that an ecumenism, without the Spirit of Truth prevailing, is dead on arrival

alchemist13:
The first thing one must accept is that the Bible is not as harmonious as we have been taught. The Bible is a collection of different texts by different authors --sometimes schools of authors-- with sometimes polar intentions and motivations

The Bible's collection of different texts by different authors --sometimes schools of authors-- with sometimes polar intentions and motivations, compliments each other and make it the complete, ''the good, the bad and the ugly'' perfect book anyone would want to read and learn from

alchemist13:
A good example is the author of Ruth as compared to the xenophobe that is Ezra.
In fact, the author of Ruth seem not to be aware of the commandment to ban Moabites from the assembly of the Israelite (Deut. 23:3).
The same commandment that Ezra then used as an excuse to ban foreigners, even the ones that have married a Jew

Reading between the lines, from Ruth's first marriage, to being a widow rejected for another marriage and later marrying again for the second time showcases faith, love and grace

Now what you'll see is an antithesis (i.e. the spirit of the law versus the letter of the law in play) when you juxtapose Deut. 23:3
(i.e. the Moabite Ruth marriage to one Israelite, after widowed her hand in marriage rejected by another, before marriage again to a second Israelite)
with Ezra 9:1-4 and Ezra10:1-4
(i.e. Israelites feeling guilty over their intermarriages)

The spirit of the law, is doing what is right regardless of what you are told to do
whilst the letter of the law, is doing what you are told to do regardless of what is right

Whenever the spirit of the law is obeyed rather than the letter, then any found in such circumstances,
is doing what the author of the law wouldn't mind, because, the spirit, any day, is always above the letter of law

Did you notice that the Israelite man who rejected the widowed Mobiate Ruth's hand in marriage on the basis of the letter of the law
(i.e. refused to sin by consenting to a forbidden marriage) is unnamed or nameless
whereas Boaz who married the widowed Mobiate Ruth, on the basis of the spirit of the law,
has his name preserved, made famous and including appearing in the genealogies of Jesus Christ

alchemist13:
Now to the topic at hand.

I believe that Matthew represents the historical Jesus best. As far as Matthew was concerned, Jesus was the perfect Jew because he came to fulfill, i.e obey to the fullest, the requirements of the Law not just in the face-value interpretation that was common among the religious elites of the day but in a deeper heart based level of obedience.

According to Mark and Matthew, Jesus did not come to abrogate the Law, but to obey perfectly and teach others to do likewise. Which brings us to the interpretation of Matt. 5:17-18

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished

And since ALL, has since being accomplished and fulfilled by Jesus, it paved way, for where applicable, the smallest letter or the least stroke of a pen, to disappear from the Law

FYI, Jesus explicitly taught a gamut of things but never for once did He, the Lord of the Sabbath, (i.e. the Owner of the Sabbath) ever teach anybody about keeping the 4th commandment (i.e. Jesus never privately or publicly taught anyone, to keep the sabbath)

alchemist13:
From the get go, Jesus clearly says he did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets.
That pretty much answers our question

Why are you expecting Jesus to put the cart before the horse?
Things are done in the proper order or procedure of doing things and not in a reverse order like you are suggesting

Dont you think, if He first abolished the Law/discounted the Prophets, He will be able to fulfil & accomplish what the the Law says or all the Prophets prophesied about Him?

alchemist13:
But looking further, did Jesus establish another covenant in this passage? No.
Did Jesus directly establish another covenant in any other passage? No.
Did Jesus promise another covenant will come that will do away with the Law, perhaps after he has been crucified?
I do not know of any such passage

This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed in exchange for the many, for the release of sins.
- Matthew 26:28 Berean Study Bible

In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying,
"This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you
- Luke 22:20 Berean Study Bible

But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs,
as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one,
since the new covenant is established on better promises.
- Hebrews 8:6

In that he saith,
A new covenant, he hath made the first old.
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away
- Hebrews 8:13 KJV

And He has qualified us as ministers of a new covenant,
not of the letter but of the Spirit;
for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life
- 2 Corinthians 3:6

alchemist13:
So what then is the cause of all this confusion?
The answer is due to the influence of Paul the Apostle, and Luke his protege and many others.
It is this people that directed the course of Christianity, which was just a sect in Judaism at that time, into what we have today

There is no confusion.
God is not an Author of confusion
Paul the Apostle, and Luke his protege and many others are not purveyors of confusion either

alchemist13:
I will get back to this latter

Bring it on

blueAgent:
I have warned you to stop misinterpreting Bible verses you don't know anything about before you carry curse.
The same Jesus you claim abolished the law and removed only the 4th commandment said
" For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"
Matthew 5:18
Jesus is saying not even a T or dot how much more a whole law will be removed from the 10commandments.

Which part of the statement you don't understand? or are you calling Jesus a lair?

Splinz:
Don't be surprise about the attacks on that particular law—4th commandment. I tell you, it is no surprise at all

You really have got hold of the wrong end of stick
What a shame, and you profess to be a teacher of the word

Splinz:
I mean, this law is just too important on so many fronts for Satan to ignore!
Aside the fact that it SIGNIFIES/IDENTIFIES God's true people (Exodus 31:17, Ezekiel 20:12), it also serves as a “test command” that God use to test those that will obey Him (Exodus 16:4). Yes, it identifies those that are obedient to God! Don't forget the truth in Romans 6:16: “Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?”.

Also remember that this is the first of God's spiritual laws, created right at the very beginning of man (Genesis 2:3). Note, God didn't just create the Sabbath, He “blessed the seventh day and made it holy”. So then, the Sabbath day is not just like any other day, it is a day specially ordained for holy uses, and also a LAW! It is of no wonder then that Jesus said He is “Lord of the Sabbath” (Matthew 12:8 ). Indeed, as the creator of the Sabbath (John 1:1-3, 14), Jesus rules and presides over this holy day/time, for He is equally holy! (Psalm 99:3,5,9). This is a day sanctified—set apart by divine fiat, and no human can change it, for like the foundation of the earth, it stand fast forever!

So bro, have you seen the enormous importance of this law, and why Satan so much hate and attack it most? Satan, through his ministers (2 Corinthians 11:13-15), has successfully deceived the whole world (Rev. 12:9) by changing the Sabbath law to Sunday, the first day of the week. And yes, some people are even ridiculously claiming that after the whole Law was abolished, it was re-introduced but the Sabbath law didn't make the list. From the above, this humorous claim shouldn't surprise anyone

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:
every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death:
for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
- Exodus 31:14

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD.
Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death
- Exodus 35:2

³²Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day.
³³Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation;
³⁴and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him.
³⁵Then the LORD said to Moses,
“The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.”
³⁶So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.
- Numbers 15:32-36

I whistled at your willingness to take bold risks by referencing Exodus 16:4, Ezekiel 20:12 and Exodus 31:17 as evidences for a believer to keep the sabbath
Are you being covetous or being deceived? Which one is it?

All I see you post up there is a poor and overworked attempt at rhetorics
There is no difference between you Splinz, an observer of Saturday as sabbath and any other person who is an observer of Sunday as a sabbath
so pack in the protracted and bitter sanctimonious posts about Sabbath being Saturday or being moved to Sunday

Has it not occurred to you, that if the sabbath was dear to the heart of the Lord of the sabbath (i.e. the Owner of the Sabbath)
then Jesus, the Creator of the Sabbath, would have explicitly commanded to keep the sabbath

You, splinz & blueAgent OP, should show some gratitude and be thankful to God that the 4th commandment,
as a law was not re-introduced and brought back into effect again
else we would be having Exodus 31:14, Exodus 35:2 and Numbers 15:32-36 re-enacted and death penalties needing to be carried out

SMH. Though you come out like a loud-mouthed and opinionated bigot I really do feel for you bro
It's when few small-minded bigots try screaming out the loudest with ill-informed opinions deposited in unwarranted long posts that the good image of the gospel is destroyed and/or ridiculed by scoffers, mockers or the hopefulLandlord and catfishBilly of this world

blueAgent:
I have warned you to stop misinterpreting Bible verses you don't know anything about before you carry curse

SMH, you will use all available tricks to shove your twisted truth down peoples' throats
and next one in line is to resort to subtle bullying laced with idle threat(s), yeah

You can huff and puff about curses all you like
But just be careful brother, as the truth & fact remains that, you're simply, clearly and really barking up the wrong tree
Conceit is self-given, and here you are getting puffed up with it
Again be careful before you start getting intoxicated by self-conceit

I like your general and overall fervour but still conceit spoils the finest genius.
Bottom line is that conceit is incompatible with understanding

blueAgent:
The same Jesus you claim abolished the law and removed only the 4th commandment.said
" For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"
- Matthew 5:18

SMH, why am I not shocked, that you've woefully failed to interpret and understand Matthew 5:18 correctly

blueAgent:
Jesus is saying not even a T or dot how much more a whole law will be removed from the 10 commandments

Tbh, I think you should sit down and look that word ''till'' in Matthew 5:18 up in the dictionary.
Go on, go ahead, go check up the meaning of ''till''

blueAgent:
Which part of the statement you don't understand?
or are you calling Jesus a lair?

You've all this while being believing the wrong explanation of Matthew 5:17-18

Anyway, now that you've looked up the meaning of ''till'' (i.e. as used in Matthew 5:18) in the dictionary, have you now got a clearer understanding of Matthew 5:18?
Or are you going to call Jesus a liar, saying He hasnt fulfilled the law or all the prophets said about Him?
Answer this question please blueAgent:
Did Jesus fulfil the law and/or all the prophets said about Him?
Did Jesus carry out His duty and role as required, promised or expected by the law and by what all the prophets said about Him?

I think you've probably got it by now, so then I rest my case.

GodsMopol:
Bro, you really said it all, I just happen to always forget to unfollow this tread. By the way, if I argue with the Op, it might lead to some form of upset or so, so I kept quite, I have been seeing this tread on my followed topic and I can't really remember when last I view the comment here, it never occurred to me to ask, what are they really talking about here self.

The funny part is, there are better tread on NL-Religion section, that does not have a next page for them, and here is a tread, having so many pages, many as 11, am not saying we shouldn't reason, but 11 pages, when we are not in the era of Acts 19:8-9a days, where Paul was frustrated, I guess I was frustrated and I went to Tryanus, a place where there are good soil.

I like your Acts 19:8-9a case in point, you certainly have a great sense of humour

As for me, for every deceptive, exaggerated and meaningless talk on the sabbath, God has given me the grace and power to equal exchange and give all that's necessary back in return, like for like, measure for measure.

So till blueAgent, Splinz, MZLady39 and any others get their facts right, I am 24/7, on hand, to run their dogmatism and bigotry into the ground

openmine:
@CatfishBilly,Now to the topic....The OP made a statement about why the new covenant did not abolish the ten commandments, and as expected, his statement was met wit a different point of view from others on this thread who gave the OP their argument and scriptures to back their assertion... instead of the OP to reason with a different opinion and maybe ask questions to understand their beliefs better, he (blueagent) and splinz started insulting them...even to the extent of calling them unprintable names...
Is that how to defend Ur beliefs?

I actually asked a question giving scriptures to that effect and both attacked me with jabs as if the question was threatening their current belief system....

If only people will understand that scriptures can be subject to different interpretations but the important thing is to understand each other
and if possible get the point the person is trying to make....then own up when U have a better argument rather than insulting and throwing jabs

Instead of insulting and throwing jabs, simply asking WHO abolished the Ten Commandments
Simply asking HOW were the Ten Commandments abolished
Simply asking WHEN were the Ten Commandments abolished
Simply asking WHY were the Ten Commandments abolished
Simply asking WHERE were the Ten Commandments abolished
Simply asking WHAT happened to the Ten Commandments abolished
Simply asking WERE the Ten Commandments reintroduced after their abolition

Simply entertaining and asking basic information gathering questions, like those above would have gone a long way in solving OP's question

openmine:

The truth is that one side does not want to listen/reason with the other individual or group out of pride or because of the fear of a better argument against what they already know....this applies to the law of moses, tithe, the divinity of God, the lifestyle or appearance of a believer!

And yes U are right, its one of the very reasons why there are many christian denominations in the world today....!

I wont lie to U there was actually some slight confusion made by paul during his ministerial times....
He gave different doctrines to different believers which is a cause of confusion right now for believers presently...
For instance, he will admonish the people of galatia, ephesians, colossians, not to observe the laws of moses calling such acts stupid and then go to the people of rome, asking them to uphold the law....same apostle but a slightly different doctrines to different churches....
but i think he made an amazing admission which made me understand his reasons and intentions...

19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.
20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.
23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

Paul has always being true to the gospel and his calling

What you perceive to be ''some slight confusion made by Paul'' actually is what's known as the ''There's more than one way to skin a cat'' method
Moreover, no one skins a fish before it is caught and reeled in to boat or fish-net
That in two sentences are the reason behind Paul's methodology or style

And for the sake of those wondering over above italic quote
It is from 1 Corinthians 9:19-23

²⁰When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ.
When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law.
Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law.
²¹When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ.
But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ
- 1 Corinthians 9:20-21

1 Corinthians 9:20-21 above was put out twice on page 7 of this thread, but it obviously went over heads

All fingers are not same in length of understanding, but when they bend, all stand equal
The truth is believers' life becomes very easy when we bend and adjust to each other's current level of understanding

Everyone from Goshen360, GodsMopol, ayoku777, petra1, Ubenedictus, openmine including moi, who empathised with OP and bent
did not have their bending posture reciprocated
What they got in return was disdain, pontification and reading dogmatic & embarrassing long posts

xtivin:
The 10 commandment has not been abolished, its mode of administration changed from being written on physical objects to a law written in the heart of man.

Before when it was written on stones (moses), sin multiplied.
For instance since i know that if i commit a particular sin i know the animal to buy to atone for the sin, then i can continue to sin as long as i keep atoning for the sin. But God in his infinite mercy saw that this practice did not stop sin, infact in the old testament there are cases where a king commit a grievious offence and immediately he noticed God is angry with him he sacrifices plenty animal to appease God. the old convenant was not effective.

But the new convenant of Grace, God knows man can not be perfect hence he allowed us to use the perfection of his son (Master Jesus) to come to his throne for mercy.

Now the new convenant is written at the hearts of men and must bear fruit (Love, Mercy, Kindness, Joy, Meekness e.t.c) else its a waste.
Unlike the old law which the pharisee use to commit greater sin.

This new law is received via the holy spirit and the holy spirit enables us to observe the 10 commandments. Peace

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein,
he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed
- James 1:25

So be speaking and acting as a person who is going to be judged by The Law of Liberty
- James 2:12

It is true that God's Ten Laws, which are part of the Mosaic laws were written on stone

However for any that care to know, each of the Ten Commandments were scrapped,
only for Jesus, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, to explicitly re-introduce each and everyone of them except for the fourth commandment

In James 1:25 and James 2:12 above, we are made aware of the law of liberty
and advised to speak and act like one who is going to be referred to it when being judged.

MZLady39:
Ok.....MuttleyLaff. If you say so, then it's so.
Goodnight....sweet dreams.

Have a blessed and refreshen good night

MZLady39:
Ok..normally I would end this..but I'm confused.
You are calling me "fake" because of what exactly?
What alleged "scheming" did I try to do to you?
Sir...something's wrong here for sure.
This is kinda disturbing.

SMH. Disturbing indeed, being that you got caught up in your games
You were so involved in it that you cant see how it started and where it started from

MZLady39:
Well let me make sure I pick it up before someone steps on it....SMH

Too late. Dont bother picking it up.

MZLady39:
This can't be Muttleylaff...what happened to him

There is only one true to self MuttleyLaff
and nothing happened to MuttleyLaff
I am sorry ''pussycat'', I cant help, if your scheming plans have not worked on MuttleyLaff at all, as you've expected?

MZLady39:
You're right. I don't know where you are. I made an assumption. Please forgive me master.

You forgot to pick up your master fallen mask

MZLady39:
Alrighty then....this conversation has suddenly turned sour....so forgive me for whatever I've done sir.
I may be lots of things....but "fake" is not one of them.
I'l let you go to bed since it's late there in Nigeria.

You really do have the nerve, dont you
and by the way, who told you am in Naija. Pftt. SMH

MZLady39:
Lol...."the fine art of shading"?
My brother....I'm sure I've been on the earth much longer than you...
Although that's not what I did...i've known the art of wit....which was way before "shade".
SMH continuously..

You are poorly informed

You guys are really beginning to show your true colors
Fake people eventually show their true colors!!!
What you think is the art of wit, is actually your fakeness rearing up its ugly head

MZLady39:
Muttleylaff,
I'm not gonna demean him....but why can't you two act like young, intelligent brothers and not resort to calling names?
Are you guys teens?

I can see you've picked up the fine art of shading, so I am going to pretend I didnt read the above. SMH

MZLady39:
Hi MuttleyLaff,
Hope you have been well

All is well, thanks for checking

MZLady39:
Wow.....I really don't know what to say?

I wonder how many people like myself kept reading his posts of outdated information, hoping to see if it'll suddenly become any where interesting,
but alas, no, there he went again, with a flurry of another blah blah blah, blah, blah dull as dishwater with colors in between pointless load of bilges

MZLady39:
This has to be an alter-ego. I can't believe this!
How did stuff turn this way??

I am not fazed as I always knew Splinz has a Jekyll and Hyde character

petra1:
Splinz and bluAgent you can see the uselessness of hard words and abuses.
we all have opportunity to learn from one another but when one person tries to intimidate the other to submission by superiority attitude.
we only provoke one anothers flesh.

My counsel, let the word of God be presented in its simplicity. no hard word required. you may be right , i may be right.
lets give room for truth to show its face. once ego is stirred no one cares for truth anymore.

Splinz:
Oga, shove your hypocritical counsel up your arse!

Impertinence is an ugly trait.
Keep up the ''good'' work, hope MZLady39 can see all you've lately been up to

Splinz:
Just like that fool that saw only my uncouth words, who calls himself MuttleyLaff, did you also saw only Splinz "hard words and abuses"?

While that blind bat called MuttleyLaff so much need me to stay relevant, kindly advice him to stop boring me with his ignorance riddled mentions. It is for this obvious reasons that I've been ignoring his unintelligent and clownish tags.
Poor thing, he has been waiting for so long to have me dignified him with a response, and now I can imagine his joy.

Pardon me, your over fed ego must have mistaken me for someone who gives a damn if you've been giving back responses

You must be suffering from poor judgment and amnesia for arriving at such a conclusion like that

Splinz:
And yes... As for that lunatic called openmine... Anyway, I've already shown him where he belongs--mental asylum.

PS: I can easily differentiate between a learner and a scoffer who only seeks to shine the teeth.
The pitiable tactic adopted by these two clowns is to throw tantrum when confronted with superior arguments, believing when mockery is employed, it somehow makes them look right, not knowing it only further portrays their follies. SMH

You're nothing than a miseducated ''self-proclaimed teacher'' and an expert in foolishness
who ''teaches'' foolishness and hoped to make sense from it..

Nurse! Nurse!!

What am I doing?
Calling for a nurse only, is not enough for you, when what you actually need is a horde of psys and a good padded room

blueAgent:
As usual you will dodge to answer the question ,only to rephrase it.

Go play with yourself if you haven't anything sensible to post. SMH

GoodMuyis:
Yes Sir,
There is NONE, except for Jude 1:20 that mention "praying in the Holy Ghost", as such one could accept to pray Pray in tongue base on that.

For the fact that Bible does not command us to, neither did it discourage Praying in tongue.

But one thing to note is that praying in tongue is PERSONAL experience, although it edify the church.

But this days we see everyone wanted to flaunt it, even pastor who will continue to say babababa...

Thank you my dear brother for your kind and sincere honesty

Lets just start with these few cross-questions instead of having a flurry of them

Do you accept that praying in the Holy Ghost (i.e. praying in the spirit) is not a synonymous for ''praying in tongue''?
Do you also accept that none of the disciples, none of the Apostle (e.g. Paul etcetera) did not ''pray in tongues''?

I have read about ''speaking in tongues edifies the church''
but never read in the Bible about ''praying in tongues edifies the church''
so would you mind sharing which scriptures says: praying in tongues edifies the church

You are creating an alternative fact by saying: ''praying in tongue is PERSONAL experience''
If you arent, then please tell how you came about this statement

openmine:
Chai see mad scenes on nairaland...
pls leave Ur keyboard and computer before u start smashing them and regret tomorrow
So U have entered yoruba language...who did this thing to U dis night ohh
abeg no vex ohh...Ur madness app get "change of language" ?

openmine:
Bro splinz just found out that ur latest post has been blocked....
Hope U havent said stuffs that have notified the MODs about Ur current situation
Chai epelle....but i warned U to get Ur doctors on time...
now d mods have also noticed Ur mental state of mind
Sorry Ohh

Splinz:
What did I flogged you with in my thread? I guess it was your pagan Sunday worship tales

petra1:
Flogged Keh? Are you a teenager?
Let me check your profile.

https://s11.postimg.org/4mzo6srvn/Jordan_Laugh.gif
petra1 he claims he is teaching openmine, thats why he's been ''flogging''
Splinz doesnt know that vulgarity is no substitute for wit
I couldnt believe my eyes, reading the uncouth languages he was using on openmine
Its no wonder he is now cooling down and licking his wounds in the Nairaland slammer

blueAgent:
And I repeat the question is God's law the same with Moses law?

You are nothing but a joke, a laughing stock of this thread

The casual reader following this thread could be forgiven for not noticing how you changed your
original "Is God's ten laws the same thing as the mosiac laws?" question
to this your now edited and new ''Is God's law the same with Moses law?'' question

What if I tell you that, seeing Splinz using the laughing and shaking man gif, one of my favourites, just made my day
If he hasnt picked up anything from this thread, at least hes learned to use that gif
It is a start and so hope for both of you is not entirely lost

GodsMopol:
1 Corin 14:39

Good attempt but you could do better GodsMopol

Remember, I did not ask for a scripture on ''speak in tongues'' but said to GoodMuyis:
Can you provide in the Bible, leaving nothing merely implied, verses where believers, are explicitly asked to ''pray in tongue(s)''?

blueAgent:
Read your Bible you will find out which ones are the ten commandments.

SMH. Please instead of going round in circles out of lack any reasonable input, just go back to hiatus because you've seemed to have forgotten that you, out of your confusion asked the question below:
"Is God's ten laws the same thing as the mosiac laws"

blueAgent:
You just confirmed my earlier doubts you don't know anything about God's law .

“A demonic spirit's favorite activity is making
a person feel religious without an
understanding of the Word of God.” —Pastor
Max D. Younce

Get off your high horse, please amuse me, what are God's Ten Laws''.

And the Max D. Younce quote actually is about the religious ilk that you sadly are

GoodMuyis:
I love this thread, and issue had addressed, I don't need to spoil the show.
A lot of Christian don't even care about praying in tongue, most have believe its not possible and those who speak it do fake it.

There are those who care about praying in tongue, but forgot that it is a gift packaged in Holy Ghost Baptism.

There are those who pray in tongue,
and are satisfy never bother about the power of the Holy Ghost, to evangelised, pray for the seek to recover, manifesting other gift of the Spirit.
There are those who desire the experience of Holy Ghost baptism, but never sanctified them self, but rather believed in praying all time for it.

Answering OP, speaking in tongues is biblical and its usually done for the unbelievers' sake (e.g. not-believing Jews etcetera)
On top of that, NT, prefers you prophesy, than speaking in tongue(s)
Now, I am not asking... I am just asking
Can you provide in the Bible, leaving nothing merely implied, verses where believers are explicitly asked to ''pray in tongue(s)''?

CharlyG1:
Hello Analice,

If you already knew the interpretation to your dream, then why come on the thread asking me for an interpretation?

You didn't like what i told you because that wasn't what you wanted to hear?

LISTEN...

I don't know jack except by the Spirit of God. I discern and interpret dreams by the Spirit of God...
I don't even share messages on the thread except by the leading of the Holy Spirit. This is done so that i do not work in error or in the flesh. Glory to God!
What i discerned from the Holy Ghost is that you had somehow prayed to an angel. You are working in error.
And if you don't believe the interpretation, why not ask you church minister who is gifted in interpretation of dreams, or why not search the scriptures.

It wasn't long ago when we spoke about the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of error in one of JMG1's post up here (i don't think it's coincidental)..
JMG1 told us a story of a young man who was missing his path because he grew such a big ego and thought he knew more spiritual stuffs than everyone.

You should read that up, it correlates perfectly with what's happening here. No one will interpret your dream right to your taste, except it's something you want to hear.

Be careful to so that you don't fall a victim to this false angel. Because, from my experience, this kind of spirits are relentless, it's going to come back to you. Mark my words. And don't say i didn't tell you Analice.

I advised you in love because i AM concerned about you, not because i want you to feel downcast. There's no shame in taking one's advice.. But all the same, it's left for you to either take it or leave it.


Look at your dream for yourself one more time, and ask yourself if this dream is REALLY of God. Does it rhyme with the word or character of God? I'm with JMG1 on this one. And He is right.
Who told you the angels of God murmur against His judgement? It's not even in their place to do so, only false angels can do such.
You only need the Spirit of God to discern.

By now i expect you to be able to differentiate between a spirit from God and one from satan.

And by now, i thought you should know i never was out to please any human being, so even if i hurt your ego, no apologies.
My utmost desire is to please God.

God bless you. Shalom

It is better to be hurt by the truth, than to be comforted with a lie
because the truth may hurt for a while but a lie hurts forever

In three words, I can sum all that's to be learnt about the above: NEXT TIME IN-CAMERA

petra1:
It's Terror o. It's a terrible thing to fall into Goes wrath as the Bible say. That God we are free from wrath to come

The thank(s) has no end

petra1:
Because the Jews can't treck more than a mile on sabbath day. It is called sabbath day journey

Acts 1:12
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

You may want to know the reason Jesus said so . He was talking about the tribulation. When the Jews will be running for safety from the antichrist. At the ememrgence of abomination of desolation that Daniel spoke about . If that event happens on a sabbath day they won't be able to run far for they can't travel more than a mile

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day
- Exodus 16:29
You let the cat out of the bag petra1

Could imagine the terror when the Romans came heavy on Jerusalem burned the city and destroyed the temple on that day 70 AD