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Sarassin:
Where does the Hebrew Bible state that YHWH asked Abraham to leave his father's house?

Refer below, next coming

Sarassin:
The word used was “Lord” or “God”

Please re-check to confirm whether it's capital LORD or Lord used
You do know the reason behind using capital LORD in certain parts in the Bibles?

Sarassin:
Abraham came from the land of Ur, a Sumerian city state which would be found in modern day Iraq. The city’s patron deity was the moon god Nanna. It is not in dispute that Terach, father of Abraham was polytheistic and worshipped other gods, according to rabbinical sources he was an idolatrous priest who manufactured idols for a living. (midrash Eliyahu Rabbah 6, Eliyahu Zuta 25)

You're not posting unfamiliar information here, so note, I am not contesting that Terah etcetera was polytheistic and lived beyond the Euphrates River worshipping other gods.

But out of curiousty though, would like to know which of the midrash types is this one you've referenced?

Sarassin:
The same Rabbinical sources tells us that it was in fact Terah who gathered his family together to make the trip to the land of Canaan, he died along the way

... you convenietly left out that, it was not Terah but it was Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran who God appeared to and asked to leave his native country, his relatives, and his father's house and go to the land that YHWH will show him

Terah, out of a desire to participate and partake in this inheritance promise, wisely, made the conscious choice or decision to follow along with Abraham

Though the Canaan trip zeal was aborted, as Terah opted to stay put at Haran en route Canaan, where he eventually died,
the Canaan torch was re-ignited and kept alight, after he, Terah, Abraham's father had died, when God got Abraham out of Haran and brought him into Canaan, the promised land.

Sarassin:
What standing does Abraham, who had lived all his life prior in the land of Ur worshipping the gods of his father, have to suddenly pick up and gather his family including his father and uncles at the behest of an as yet unidentified God to leave their ancestral home?

Abram rose to the occasion
and stood up to go Canaan because I AM, also known as YHWH or Yahweh or Jehovah or capital LORD in the Bibles spoke to him

JMAN05:
The thread
https://www.nairaland.com/3753404/hebrew-monotheistic-belief-product-religious

Thank you for taking on the task of creating the thread
My first instalment response is already there

Sarassin:
The problem is that with the exception of the helmet-headed fundamentalists, most biblical scholars are unanimous in their agreement that the Genesis monologue of creation is allegorical in nature as opposed to literal. I agree with this view also

Reiterating "let us make man in our own image" indeed is a rhetorical statement
and the Genesis monologue of creation is literal in its narrative as opposed to being allegorical.

Events, subsequent to creation in that Genesis monologue narrative however, are part literal and part allegorical
Figurative language using euphemism, personification etcetera were partly used to talk about certain things that happened or that took place after creation

Sarassin:
You cannot therefore take verse 26, out of context and ascribe a literal meaning to it out of consonance.

Genesis 1:26 is literal

Sarassin:
I think you can see what I am driving at, either the entire shebang is literal, in which case God hung up the stars and the moon or it is allegorical.

Pardon me for steering you on to the Job 26:7 driveway, where you'll find God hangs the earth on nothing, literally.
Now tell, are you saying, it is impossible or even improbable for God to literally hang up the stars and the moon?

Sarassin:
And what exactly is the Godhood?

This is like asking what exactly is the neighbourhood?
Maybe you wouldnt have asked exactly what Godhood is, if I had said the Godhead, which incidentally was my first word choice and not Godhood

Sarassin:
And where does the author of Genesis state that he obtained disclosure in the form of a revelation from God?

Ah-ha, the $64,000 question.
Its found against the backdrop and in the obscurity of Exodus 33:11-23 but the revealing when, where and how place, actually is, at Exodus 33:23

Sarassin:
Finally, which God?

I AM
- also known as YHWH or Yahweh or Jehovah or capital LORD in the Bibles to friend and foe alike

JMAN05:
Sarassin has been of the view that the writers of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) borrowed from the religious culture of the land they resided in. and in fact, the Supreme Diety of the Jews is a son of the God of Canaan (Canaan Supreme Diety is El).

The purpose of this thread is to determine the veracity of this claim.

Muttleylaff and JMAN05 are interested in this claim for we wonder how such claim could be true.

Lets try to be sincere and polite in this thread. Pls do not derail the thread.

More of Sarassin his position could be seen below:

Sarassin:
Hebrew Monotheistic belief is the product of religious syncretism, the history of the world tells us so

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Sarassin:
The Hebrews or the “hebiru” before them were a largely nomadic people, they assimilated a lot of the cultural and religious practices around them before they finally conquered the vast lands of Canaan and settled there as Israelites

I cant agree more with this and the the fact that Abram was a Hebrew, first called to leave his family and his homeland while in Ur

As Yahweh had said to Abram:
''Leave your native country, your relatives, and your father's house and go to the land that I will show you.

Sarassin:
They were influenced by the Egyptians, the Babylonians (you need only examine contemporary Hebrew cosmology to illustrate this) as well as the Canaanites. These influences are pervasive in Hebrew writings, for instance we see a distillation of the Egyptian writing “Instructions of Amenemope” in the Hebrew Book of Proverbs, just as we can identify that the majority of the Psalms wrongly attributed to King David are in fact praise songs of Ugaritic origins. The instructions contained in the Book of Leviticus emphasizing ritual, legal and moral practices of the people of Israel are a virtual transplant of the legal codices of ancient Ugaritic practices.

Will address all these alternative facts when I make mention to ''Sarassin's 11:02pm & 11:16pm On Apr 20'' further down

Sarassin:
We can define the Israelites as the descendants of Jacob, grandson of Abraham. We know that Abraham came from distant lands and even if we accept that he was a polymath there is no evidence to suggest an acquaintance with a monotheistic deity prior to him showing up in Canaan, therefore it is more likely than not that it is his first encounter with Melchizedek, King of Salem and Chief Priest of the Most High, the venerable “EL” that serves as Abraham’s first introduction to the Canaanite pantheon of deities with EL as supreme deity and his seventy sons of which we are told Yahweh is one

SMH. I will also address all these syncretism and forceful conflation at work here when I again further down make mention to ''Sarassin's 11:02pm & 11:16pm On Apr 20''

Sarassin:
It is clear that the veneration of El persisted in Israel, we know this because the Hebrew Bible records the prophets of Israel expressing deep frustration with the Israelites over their worship of other gods, i.e Baal, Dagan and Yam e.t.c

I am the Yahweh and there is no other;
Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me
- Isaiah 45:5

Of course, apart from the self evident Isaiah 45:5 above because its a blatant violation of the 1st commandment

Sarassin:
The Israelites raised many places of worship to El and many other Canaanite deities many of which survive as name places even today in modern Israel

The Samaritans and apostate Israelites, apart from the Canaanite, not the Israelites per se, raised many places of worship to El and many other Canaanite deities many of which survive as name places even today in modern Israel

Sarassin:
Still away with the fairies then eh?

That's right up your alley, not mine

Sarassin:
somebody give me a shout when the thread is up and let's get to it.

Yeah, lets go right there

euromilion:
Another question should be, who was there when the statement was made?
(come let's make man in our own image)
how did the bible writer know that such discussion took place in the first place?

Sarassin:
I don't believe that the author(s) were trying to communicate the impression that that statement "let us make man in our own image" was dictated to them by the gods, or that the statement was witnessed.
It would be quite sad if the gods had any semblance to our quite inefficient physical forms.
Rather, the statement is an allegorical rhetorical device employed by the authors to provide an answer to the state of Man according to their own worldview. In my opinion.

"let us make man in our own image" indeed is rhetorical statement devoid of allegory

@euromilion, What telling observations and very good questions to ask

The Godhood, at least was there when that statement was made

The bible writer knew that such discussion took place in the first place because it was revealed (i.e. shown) to the author

JMAN05:
It would be fine to have another thread for this. What do u think?

MuttleyLaff:
I have no problem in doing that

Sarassin:
Yes, why not?

Sarassin:
No forceful conflation here my good man

No need for denials, claims and counterclaims my dear longest time friend

Sarassin:
And rather than take pot-shots why don't you state your own case and show me the error of my ways?

Aye, aye, trust me, I will, I will dispel your myths (i.e. the errors of your way) when I meet you there
Wouldnt miss the opportunity for another occasion to do just that

PastorAIO:
Don't worry, I don't blame you. I would troll me if I were you.
Maybe you can get some of the scraps that fall of the master's table

Conceited? Check.
Wrinkled hope? Check.
Dreamer? Check.

PastorAIO:
I believe the OP is taken from a book by Osamaro Ibie which has a tendency to conflate a lot of Ifa teachings with Christian terminology.

But hey, all religions probably start out that way. Afterall we can see before our eyes people reading the bible and conflating it with the cultural perspectives of their tribes.
Just recently Muttley Laff told as that Saul was a Yoruba man
and when he asked whose father David was he was asking it in a Yoruba sense.

Pinocchio? Check.
You're desperately and wonderfully just so predictable

PastorAIO:
Not long ago I met someone in a thread that refused to believe that Jewishness is passed down through the mother because in her village it is unheard of that ancestry should be considered through the mother but it is always through the father.

This is why I say that bible is probably a useless book for most Nigerians

The Bible is a universal book from a Jewish view & standpoint
because God came down to earth as a Jew, lived on earth as Jew,
preached on earth in Hebrew, Aramaic and possible to some extent Greek languages

PastorAIO:
Are you trolling me now?

No and quit flattering yourself
It is thoroughly obvious the contrary is the case

Most of the ill-informed remarks you make dont go unnoticed
and without putting the record straight about them, they secretly piss others off

PastorAIO:
Wow, Moses only saw the back of Yahweh's head, his ogo

Moses said to God:
''Please, let me see Your glory''
(i.e.''I pray You, show me Your glory!'')

God replied Moses:
''I will make all my goodness pass before you, and I will call out my name, Yahweh, before you.
For I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.
But you cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

God further said:
''Behold, there is a place by Me, and you shall stand there on the rock;
and it will come about, while My glory is passing by,
that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by.
Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen''

Underlined in your mention is fact and a stark nayked truth
- sorry about the pun

PastorAIO:
But Orunmila saw Eledumare in his full birthday suit

myth and invention

Babalawos:
Orunmila had always wondered why it was that the Divinities of witchcraft, Death, Night and Day had so much authority (ASE). He was obviously jealous of them and was anxious to acquire similar powers.

He went to his heavenly Awos to find out what to do. They were called:-

They disclosed to Orunmila that the four divinities he was jealous of were the only ones authorised to keep watch when the Almighty God takes His bath. Night, Day, Death and Witchcraft, keep vigil when God takes his bath.

The first crow of the cock early in the morning marks the time when Almighty God begins to have his bath. The second crow of the cock marks the time when Almighty God finishes bathing.

The two Awos told Orunmila that if he could take the risk to spy on Almighty God and see him bathing, he would be automatically endowed with the same ASE that the other four divinities have.

He was however told to give a he-goat to ESU, who would assist him. He was also to offer sacrifice to the Night and to Death. He did the sacrifices.

He was to give a rabbit to the Night and a goat to Death. He subsequently obtained supportive clearance from his own guardian spirit.

Thereafter he wore his garment which makes him invisible and took a position on a ladder over-looking Almighty God's bathroom.

When God got ready to bath, He took his calabash bowl to take water but it fell from His hand. He tried a second time and it also fell from His hand. He immediately concluded that there was a spy around.

The Divinities of witchcraft and Death, having been pre-emptively bribed with sacrifices by Orunmila, refused to give him away even though they saw him spying. They reassured the Almighty
Father that there was no spy around.

Orunmila had meanwhile already seen Almighty God's nude and he had acquired the power and authority he wanted.

Convinced that there was a spy around, Almighty God discontinued His bath and went into His inner chamber to look at the mirror with which he scans heaven and earth. It was then, He saw that it was Orunmila who tried to spy on Him.

Almighty God immediately ordered Death to pursue and apprehend Orunmila. When he discovered that Death was on his trail in hot pursuit, he used his newly acquired powers to conjure the shrubs to conceal him.

Thereafter to passed without seeing him. When he came out to return home, death saw him and continued to pursue him.

When he ran up to the river, he asked the Fishes to conceal him and they did when Death came to the river, he realised that he had come to the end of his pursuit.

He went back to report mission unaccomplished to Almighty God. From that day Orunmila acquired the power to do and undo things.

When this Odu appears at Ugbodu, the person should be told that he would travel to important places including overseas and that spying would do him a good tum.

This work was inspired by LATE DR. C. OSAMARO IBIE, J.P.
Thank you for reading, leave a comment
Babalawos

What is the name of this so called ''Almighty God''?
What does this ''Almighty God'' calls self?
What is the meaning of the ''Almighty God's'' so called name?
- adjective or attribute are not permissible answers

Also define God

JMAN05:
It depends on how you view it. I have my way of learning from a discussion. It may not be directly from him, but from the research I would make to disprove his point. For eg, the first time I had that discussion with him, I didn't know about amenemope. That discussion made me make research about it, and see why his conclusion on it isn't OK. So I learned something although we didn't agree.

However, giving another person a chance to air his views is advantageous because you do not know who eventually is in the wrong. No matter how sure we are of our stand, it could be that there is another side of the coin we ve not known, after all, the other person is still sure of his side. I believe if we are open minded, we ll see that its just fair to give the other person a chance.

Even in worldly court, you can't convict a person without giving him chance to defend himself.

I've said I have no problem in doing that (i.e. joining the discussion)

PastorAIO:
I now see where you're going so wrong. The difference between you and me is that I know where to be creative and where not to be. This is not the creative arts. If it was painting or music, or dancing I very much doubt that you can even be half as creative as me. However this is not the arts, this is a simple matter of biblical exegesis and literary criticism. I know that your whole approach to religion is to make it up as you go along and that is why creativity is so important to you, but I'm sorry to say that that is not the correct approach to religious matters

Be creative means be original, as stop behaving like a broken record, repeating the same line over and over again
I can count all the times you used that one line, on one hand ... if am holding a calculator

PastorAIO:
So your reasonable reason is that as a Yoruba man Saul was asking: ''Tani baba omode yi, gangan nile yi, paapaa?''

No but its one of the not yet exhausted Reasonable reason(s), as I earlier said

PastorAIO:
It's not ego.
it's a statement of fact.
If you made a mistake and you say 'sorry I made a mistake', I can accept that

It's an over fed ego.
They say ignorance is bliss but yours is rather disturbing and unacceptable

PastorAIO:
But you are conflating Hebrew with Jewish, that suggests you don't know the first thing of what you are talking about.

SMH. In your dreams you say I conflate
Now explain, when, where and how, I, in the slightest degree, conflated Hebrew with Jewish. Pftt. SMH

PastorAIO:
And after asking the question in Chapter 17 did he then come to know Jesse by sight?
Since it is the 'by sight' that is biting you

Biting?
Dont turn the table on me, it was you hung up on 'by sight'

PastorAIO:
What information did he gain in Chapter 17 that he didn't already have in Chapter 16.

Rhetorical question (i.e. question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer)
- another from the not yet exhausted Reasonable reason(s)

Serving you back in a similar fashion:
What information did David gain, when he fled from Naioth in Ramah, and came to Jonathan, asking Jonathan questions, that he, David, didn't already have prior to the 1 Samuel 20:1 questioning event?

JMAN05:
I know him to be good in research, but we often have a wrong conclusion to our research efforts

We often have a wrong conclusion to our research efforts because motives for the searching and research differ

JMAN05:
It might be a boon if you can join in the proposed new thread to hash out the subject

I have no problem in doing that

JMAN05:
Even if we do not agree, we can learn something

If learning is a recipe, then knowledge is the cake.
What use is having the recipe if not going to make good cake of it
We can at least agree that learning ''something'' from the ''proposed new thread'' is irrelevant if no real knowledge is acquired.

Sarassin:
Hebrew Monotheistic belief is the product of religious syncretism, the history of the world tells us so. The Hebrews or the “hebiru” before them were a largely nomadic people, they assimilated a lot of the cultural and religious practices around them before they finally conquered the vast lands of Canaan and settled there as Israelites.

They were influenced by the Egyptians, the Babylonians (you need only examine contemporary Hebrew cosmology to illustrate this) as well as the Canaanites. These influences are pervasive in Hebrew writings, for instance we see a distillation of the Egyptian writing “Instructions of Amenemope” in the Hebrew Book of Proverbs, just as we can identify that the majority of the Psalms wrongly attributed to King David are in fact praise songs of Ugaritic origins. The instructions contained in the Book of Leviticus emphasizing ritual, legal and moral practices of the people of Israel are a virtual transplant of the legal codices of ancient Ugaritic practices.

We can define the Israelites as the descendants of Jacob, grandson of Abraham.

We know that Abraham came from distant lands and even if we accept that he was a polymath there is no evidence to suggest an acquaintance with a monotheistic deity prior to him showing up in Canaan, therefore it is more likely than not that it is his first encounter with Melchizedek, King of Salem and Chief Priest of the Most High, the venerable “EL” that serves as Abraham’s first introduction to the Canaanite pantheon of deities with EL as supreme deity and his seventy sons of which we are told Yahweh is one.

It is clear that the veneration of El persisted in Israel, we know this because the Hebrew Bible records the prophets of Israel expressing deep frustration with the Israelites over their worship of other gods, i.e Baal, Dagan and Yam e.t.c.

The Israelites raised many places of worship to El and many other Canaanite deities many of which survive as name places even today in modern Israel.

This us a forceful conflation of chaotic jumbled ideas & ill-informed opinions
It is so full of holes that anyone who knows the facts can see right through each of the many howlers.

JMAN05:
It would be fine to have another thread for this. What do u think?

Why would it be fine to have another thread for this?
You mean it would be fine, so he can have the ticket & free hand to continue with the posturing?

PastorAIO:
I don't need to spin a different line.
I know this line is oppressing you and it will continue to oppress you until you show some integrity and own up that the 2 chapters are incongruous

You've worn it out from overuse.
Take a risk, be creative, spin a different line

PastorAIO:
We don't need 'nth to the power reasons', only one Reasonable reason will do. Thanks

You're not open to reason, as you're too self-absorbed and that's exactly why reason is oblivious to you

You have been given not yet exhausted Reasonable reason(s) but your shortcoming is that infamous blinkered attitude of yours

PastorAIO:
Are you familiar with Hebrew (not jewish, olodo) customs, culture, idioms etc?

As a matter of fact, to a certain degree, I try as much as I can getting familiar with Hebrew's too
and know you are smart enough to know the difference between Hebrew and Jewish

With your ego running amok, you couldnt resist not resorting to an ''olodo'' abuse and hectoring, erh. Continue

KanwuliaExtra:
When this "UNA GOD" say yes ehn?
Who can say no?

Oya carry biro!

Only the Christian God can play this kind of CRUEL JOKE!

First the parents are killed in a ghastly MVA, then they are brought together to PHOCK demselves!

Na which crime these poor children commit?

Arielle:
Thank you. I hate to hear stories like this.
It's as if some evil cosmic comedian with a twisted sense of humour is up there pulling the strings to wreck havoc on people's lives.
So who do these two people thank for their lives and all that's happened to them?
And please let no one mention the 'devil'. That's a cop - out.

All na hoax. Fake news things

analice107:
Noooo, you made this up. Chineke!!!!

What is the meaning of the above underlined?
Why drag the Chineke word like that into your comment?
Please explain what purpose the Chineke word serves doing in your comment?

MZLady39:
I didn't fully explain what I actually meant.
I'm a little "off the band-wagon" right now. Will get back on it... I will do better with that in the future

The Lord's power matures in our weakness
so please most gladly boast all the more about any weaknesses,
so that Christ's power may rest upon and reside in you.

The subconscious mind is 300,000 times more powerful than the conscious mind
The Lord will give you sufficient grace to do all you've about yourself just affirmed to do

MZLady39:
Yeah, I'm kinda shocked about that. But I do see what you are saying now

And the LORD said unto Moses,
See, ¹I have made thee a god to Pharaoh:
and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet
[sup23[/sup]You are to speak everything I command you,
and your brother Aaron must declare it to Pharaoh that he must release the Israelites from his land
- Exodus 7:1-2

Aaron will speak for you to the people,
and it will be as if he were your mouth
and as if you were his God
(i.e. and you will serve as God to him, telling him what to say)
- Exodus 4:16

They are headed for destruction. Their god is their stomach,
they take pride in the shameful things they do. They are focused on earthly things
(i.e. they brag about shameful things, and they think only about this life here on earth)
- Philippians 3:19

Yeah, anyone or anything can be a god (i.e. power authority influence)

MZLady39:
I guess I was thinking on the terms of a Higher Being...

Yeah and that Higher Being is the one and only true self-existing all powerful authority influence (i.e. God)

analice107:
Whether they are miaows or whatever, you got the message and they stopped.

The messages I've been getting and which has been confirmed about you is that you're a tempestuous and wild person

In keeping with good taste and propriety, there are certain things one doesn't publicly admit to have done.

There are some things one doesn't publicly shared or put out there for public consumption.

There are some things best left unsaid
Example will be like, leaving out details that one caught a cat and killed it

Recall that the pigs ran off the cliff at their own accord, and that Jesus didn't catch and kill them.

You just have to go to the extremes, isn't it
Ordinarily saying commanding word(s) isn't good enough for or was not working for you, that you just had to physically manhandle and deal with the cat

analice107:
If they were around, i would first called the to come and get them.
And, maybe ask them to explain to me why all of a sudden Cats became night new born babies.

Cats mews, how come these ones cry?

Those crying sound of the cats are miaows
Anyway, just that some things are better left not publicly admitted to,
and some words are better left unsaid

analice107:
My dear, I now sleep soundly

RSPCA by the way stands for Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals

analice107:
Oh.

Your performance was OTT
Jesus never sweated it, when dealing with demonic spirits

Just be thankful there are no RSPCA over there for the catching and killing that cat

zionmade:
So explain why he harvested a corn on sabath wen d commandment says dnt do anything farm on sabath?
Explain wat rom 7:4 mmeans wen it says dat we are dead to d law.
Explain wat rom 3:27-28 means.

And for ur last verse John 3:16 made it clear (for whosoever believeth in me should not perish) did u see doeth d law there?
What was paul talking about in rom 8:3

D only commandment from Jesus dat i know of is Serve d lord with all ur heart, and love ur neighbor as urself. Do u know any other one?

The bible shows Jesus EXPLICITLY & ALMOST OUTRIGHTLY commanding all the 10 commandments

Jesus EXPLICITLY & OUTRIGHTLY commands 9 out of the 10 commandments

Isnt it ironic, if sabbath keeping was so dear and previous to Lord of the sabbath (i.e. Owner of the sabbath),
that He made a decision and choice not to explicitly command keeping the sabbath, like He did explicitly command 9 out of the 10 commandments
but nowhere in the entire bible does explictly like ironic

zionmade2:
All those things u listed there were repeated in d new testament apart from d sabath day.
And apart from No 1 and d sabath, d rest Jesus said are summarized by "love ur neighbor as urself" and if u look well dat is d summary. So i said it before only two things are required from a Christian. Serve d Lord and love ur neighbors as urself
Now explain to me d meaning of those two chapters and stop running away

Thank you ojaare

DoctorAlien:
Jesus summarized the whole law into "Love for GOD" and "Love for man". How do you love GOD?

Do you know that you will be judged by the 10 Commandments? (James 2:12; 1:25; Psa. 19:7)

SMH.
Will be judged by the law of liberty and as one who looks into the perfect law (i.e. James 2:12 and James 1:25)

Each of the 10 Commandments have been revised by God the Son, in the person of Jesus Christ
and where applicable each is explicitly reissued or dropped, abandoned and discarded as something that is no longer needed or wanted

Please get aquainted with the essence of the law of liberty
and know the difference between it and the old system 10 commandments

analice107:
Lol. what is OTT?

over-the-top

analice107:
Command the knock to stop in the Name of Jesus. If you believe, it will stop.

I had issues with night Cats sometime back. They usually come from 1am and cry till they exhausted themselves. They cry like new born babies. You'd be wondering where these creatures come from. You never see them in the day, but every night, always two of them.

When they start, there's no way you can sleep. I will pray inside my house and command them to go away, they just shifts to a distance but i still hear them.

One night at exactly 2am, i got it up to here, since everyone in the estate believes they are witches so won't dare even talk about them loudly, i opened my door and came out, i demanded to see them face to face.

Cowards hide under the cover of night and am not a coward, so, reveal yourselves, i demanded. This was not prayers, It was a challenge. i was angry in my spirit.

Demons have no right to keep a child of God awake in the night when my Heavenly Father promised to give me sweet sleep. How dare you think you can do that.

I challenged them to come lets cry if they feel they can cry. I was mad. When I was done with challenging them, i began decrees. I decreed what i wanted to see from that night henceforth.


I gave them a radius with which they can operate. I wasn't about to stop them from doing their thing, but it shouldn't be done here. I gave them 20,000 kilometre radius from where i was, to the left, right, north, south, east and west. I went in and slept. that was it. They stopped.

The next day, my neighbours came out looking at me like i was mad, but that was it.

For about a year later, they came back. This time right in front of my door, inside my protector. See wailing, ahhhh. what. For wia? Na lie.

I woke up, went out, told them to remember what i said to them before, go away or they'll regret it. As i went out they jumped off. I said my bit and went back in. I was about to doze off, they came back, Oh God, this is it, i rushed out with holy rage, One jumped off, the other tried hide under my Gen, cut it and killed it. I took a robe tight it round its neck and hung it where his colleagues will see it hanging there
this i did to send a message to others to keep off my territory. Am not afraid of witches or wizards.

When i move into a place, i possess it.

That was the end of their harassments till this day.

You have rights if you are a believer, use your rights.

If demonic spirits then you did what was absolutely right and expected of you as in to stamp your authority anytime the presence of demonic spirits are recognised, sensed or felt
but the theatrics were OTT and hmmm

orunto27:
Bats in ceiling will behave like that.

Thank you ojaare

mrmrmister:
This thread reeks of Paranoia.

that or someone craving for attention
(i.e. a shameless plea of ''notice me'' by an attention seeker)

MZLady39:
Excadz,
Anyone can be god

Though excadz's summation about God is seriously flawed, you not doubt sound surprised that anyone can be god

MZLady39:
Oooh brother, I surely hope not

Anything and/or anybody can be a god to anyone
(e.g. appetites such as strong desire or liking for something, alcohol, god of this world, marijuana, the belly/stomach etcetera)

Now, IF God as Hes done before, says,
Hes made you a power authority influence (i.e. god) to X and/or Y
are you saying, you're going to refuse, protest against or resist it?

MZLady39:
Muttleylaff,
Long time brother...hope you are well.
Anyhow, I basically summarized the essence of God in terms of our "human" understanding.
What you quoted scripturally was true....
however, I tend to think that an understanding of God's existence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Omnipresence...
defies human reasoning..as we know it regardless of being a believer or not

Are you admitting to finding it challenging to understand the existence of a self-existing all powerful authority influence?
Those are your words, not mine, repeated in almost exactly the same words as you used originally,

MZLady39:
So does that make me the following?
If the theists who thinks this way & says God is beyond logic and cannot be understood, happens to be a saint, then such person is termed to be immature, as to babes or infants in their faith in Christ and still feeding on milk (i.e. refer to 1 Corinthians 3:1-2 above)

The bible at least and to some degree informs us about the Self-existing all powerful authority influence
and informs all about the mind of the self-existing all powerful authority influence (i.e. God)
so only you can answer this question

MZLady39:
Adepeter26,
Brother, I say it because HE says it in His Word.
No one can ever explain how He came into being.
That's not really of importance at this point in time

⁴I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do.
⁵And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed
- John 17:5-6

'Father, those whom Thou hast given to me, I will that where I am they also may be with me,
that they may behold my glory that Thou didst give to me,
because Thou didst love me before the foundation of the world.
- John 17:24

It is enough to say the self-existing all powerful authority influence (i.e. God) has no beginning or end.
He, before the foundation of the world, just exists

MZLady39:
But one has to have faith that He was and is and will ever be

Without faith it is impossible to please the self-existing all powerful authority influence (i.e. God).
Anyone who wants to come to Him must believe that God exists
and that He rewards those who sincerely seek him.

MZLady39:
I like the word "infallible".
My fallible mind cannot explain an infallible being.
I, being the creature, cannot explain the Creator.
Isaiah 55:8-9 King James Version (KJV)

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts

Since God has given us power and a sound mind,
then there are things about Him we can understand,
There are things about God that is within logic and explanation(s)

Dont look for a cop out
Using lines like that is like performing a manoeuvre
and have an ''escape route'' to get out of the responsibility of giving an answer(s)

Are you saying it's imposible for believers to speak for themselves?
Are you saying it's imposible for believers to explain the goodness, faithfulness, lovingkindness, fairness, truthfulness, righteousness, awesomeness etcetera of the self-existing all powerful authority influence (i.e. God)

GoodMuyis:
I will come back to read

annyplenty:
A gentle reminder

Do not draw your sword to kill a fly

Gentle reminder of what?

You should remind yourself how many times Jesus preached explictly using the phrase born again
You should remind yourself whether Jesus preached or taught about born again in private or publicly
You should remind yourself how many were in audience when Jesus was teaching or talking about born again
Most importantly, you should remind yourself why was Jesus teaching or talking about born again
and/or what was the circumstances that happened under why Jesus was prompted to teach on or talk about born again?

EweduAfonja:
Op
How many days did it take u to write this wiki..
Wiki sef Neva long like thsi

justdat:
OP this your post long sha

hotspec:
That was rather too long. Could put off d targeted audience. Kudos, anyway

tstx:
I think this writeup is longer than the sermon my pastor' gave today...

Using a sledgehammer to crack a nut

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On fire & holding no prisoners