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petra1:
Will you stop all these nonsense of yours .
I hardly do likes on nairaland. I've not done any likes this year. Kindly investigate before posting trash

At that time, it was only petra1 and muttleylaff who both alone were reading posts on this thread,
petra1 soon left the thread leaving only muttleylaff on the thread,
soon after petra1 left, joagbaje then logged in, (i.e. now with only joagbaje and muttleylaff on the thread)
but after joagbaje logged out and left, leaving muttleylaff again alone on the thread, a ''like'' that wasnt there before at least for a good past three hours appeared on petra1's post
Who then ''liked'' the post?
Jesus is watching. Let's leave that for the consciences
SMH...

petra1:
You can tithe on your business. I have a multimedia outfit . The company tithes. And when get my pay still I personally give my own tithe apart from the company tithe

Unless there's a desperation for ''likes'' here, please refrain from using your joagbaje alter ego ID to like your own posts
I've just watched joagbaje log in and disappear after liking your comment
Who is fooling who. Imagine liking your post by yourself

Back on the matter, all these you've mentioned need not be done
because, if you've at least accepted and publicly stated that it isnt mandatory to tithe,
it then shows that tithing on business, company tithes, you personally giving your own tithe apart from the company tithe arent afterall necessary

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2

To carry on tithing or to continue tithing is in flat contradiction to the spiritual law mentioned in Romans 8:2

brocab:
If you are going to preach to me at least let us correct the word,
Hmm It shows you didn't understand my quote I wrote to openmine, it wasn't actually about a tithe

If it wasn't actually about a tithe,
why then did you bother use the t-word
I wasnt preaching to you, I was for the benefit of all reading, just ''weeding out'' you using tithe for the donation the poor widow made

brocab:
-if you understood it clearly-you would have read "all" which of course isn't a tithe, but that doesn't matter

Beware of tithe marketeers the Scribes
³⁸And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
³⁹And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
⁴⁰Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

The Poor Widow
⁴¹And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
⁴²And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
⁴³And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
⁴⁴For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living
- Mark 12:38-44 KJV

If you REALLY did understand the widow narration clearly, you would have known that the widow narration actually started from Mark 12:38-40 with Mark 12:40 being the heart of the narration before continuing on to Mark 12:41-44

Now the question, you want to ask yourself, is this:
#1 Where from, do you suppose the widow learned to drop ALL her money into the treasury box?
#2 Who would you suspect has been teaching the widow to drop ALL her money into the treasury box?
#3 Do you see a pattern how it is done then and how it's done now?

brocab:
Do I answer this, or do I not?
I am happy you understand the difference between tithing and giving..

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You want to show big momma how to suck eggs

brocab:
{Mark 12:41-44} Jesus made a point by saying, the rich gave into the treasury out from their wealth-while the little old lady gave out from her poverty, she gave "all" she had to live on.
Jesus made another point by saying, this poor widow has put in more, then all those, who have given into the treasury

Jesus was not teaching about dropping ALL into a collection box
but was making an observational statement where he expressed an opinion or belief to the effect that quality and not quantity mattered
According to Jesus, the widow's mite might be too small in quantity, it however, is big in quality

brocab:
MuffleyLaff you need to understand giving "all" isn't just giving a small donation

Where in regards to the widow's donation have I used ''small'' ?
brocab, you need to understand you are copying the tithe-marketeers' tithing special modus operandi
Tithe-marketeers build a doctrine on tithing by quoting scriptures out of context,
and you too, now are trying to build a doctrine on ''all'' based on the widow narrative
so then, have you started handing in ''all' your money yet
if not yet, when are you going to start handing in your ''all''?

brocab:
Jesus said the rich gave from their wealth-notice Jesus didn't say the rich gave "all" of their wealth-this is, what is, called a donation

Donation noun: donation; plural noun: donations
- something that is given to a charity, a cause etcetera, especially a sum of money
Need I write more

brocab:
Notice it was the little old lady who was remembered of her good deed, and God loves a cheerful giver

Exactly God loves a cheerful giver, the old lady decided in her heart how much she will drop into the treasury box, and so cheerfully and without any regrets donated her widow's mite

brocab:
Abraham tithed to the high priest once only because it was a custom to do so-and he gave "all" what was left to the kings from the spoils of war that didn't belonged to him. Abraham's tithing career had finished once and for "all"

Please the

brocab:
{2 Corinthians 9:7} Let each one do just as he had resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsions because God loves a cheerful giver.
Which of course cheerful given has nothing to do with today's % tithing

And Jehoash said to the priests,
All the money of the dedicated things that is brought into the house of the LORD,
even the money of every one that passeth the account, the money that every man is set at,
and all the money that cometh into any man's heart to bring into the house of the LORD
- 2 Kings 12:4 KJV

2 Corinthians 9:7 is a rehash of 2 Kings 12:4
As a matter of truth, 2 Corinthians 9:7 is a 2 Kings 12:4 rebirth

brocab:
And good on petra1, but he is still trying to prove the tithing lie still exist otherwise

At the moment, he has no choice
as you seriously arent expecting him to go against the CE flow on tithing

brocab:
He still believes he is under the law of Moses "Mosaic law system"
So lets pray he will ask the Lord and the Spirit of God will fill his heart with all truth

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2

If so, then that will be like a case of someone airborne in a plane believing he/she is under the law of gravity
and not realising the law of aerodynamics hath made him/her free from the law of gravity

brocab:
And with of the other things you have written, its not to late to get of the drugs. JW...

and what is the meaning of this your cryptic or coded sentence which you and only you understands

petra1:
Jealous? Wetin consign" you. Freedom of association. You get your buddies don't you?

Have I now

petra1:
FA far far fa FOUL!. It's carnal of you to think that way

I'll tell you what is carnal.
Any believer practising tithing is carnal
On top of carnal, such believer carrying on tithing is sinful, as has missed the mark

petra1:
Tithes is one of the least givings

It might be one of the least
but it is regularly giving and eagerly sought after

petra1:
I'm serious. 10% May look big in your eyes but for givers it's the least. Some of us even give more than the 10% as tithes. Because it just looks so small

You're getting carried away with self conceit
If not for Jacob, God is not and was never into the measly 10% fraction anyway

petra1:
I personally reverted back to 10% since it's what God demanded

Thats like going back to one's vomit.
Why anyway, would God, except if an Israelite, demand tithe from you or anyone else?

petra1:
I can channel money to other projects. The free will giving is far higher than tithes. People give lands and cars. People give millions for Gods work.

The lands and cars or people giving millions arent as regular as tithe-money giving though are they?

petra1:
What is common 10%?

The pennies makes the pounds, the kobos makes the nairas.
Lets cut to the chase, what you've just called ''common 10%'' is what you previously said is needed for paying the utility bills, salaries etcetera

petra1:
Didn't you hear how people bought plane for their pastor? How much tithe will buy that.

C'mon, it's the tithe money that is maintaining the plane, paying for the hangar etcetera

petra1:
Nobody says tithing is mandatory. Nothing is mandatory.
There's difference between necessity and mandatory. Your worship of God is still within your will power to do or not to do.

brocab:
If we were to tithe like Abraham, then we need to tithe like that little old lady, Jesus talks about given two copper coins. "All"

The old lady didnt even tithe, what she made was a donation to the temple treasury
What the lady gave to the temple treasury was not tithing,
it was a cheerful giving made under no compulsion fuelled by faith in a God know as the Jehovah Jireh, God her Provider.
Jesus didnt see her giving as tithe, and neither called it tithe

It is a remarkable coincidence that Petra1/joagbaje has admitted and accepted that tithing is not mandatory
It must be hailed as a milestone for Petra1/joagbaje to conceed that tithing is not required by law nor is it compulsory.
This honesty and blunt admittance is admirable - despite his ill-informed opinions on tithing, he is totally honest about tithing not being mandatory or compulsory.

The issue of tithing, is just like the law of gravity which is not mandatory for flying,
moreso if in this case, when applying a higher law, of the likes of the law of aerodynamics is in operation

We all know the law of aerodynamics nullifies the law of gravity and makes it inoperative
as when the law of aerodynamics is in operation, the law of gravity is not working nor has no effect.
This is exactly what is going on with the law of sin and death (e.g. tithing etcetera)
and the law of Spirit (e.g. cheerful giving under no compulsion etcetera) - the latter nullifies the former

I remember him saying he hasnt got a twin after that Taiwo and his twin Kehinde age things

Gombs:
Back off, if I needed your 'intelligence' I'd have requested so.. Until then, back off

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Somebody is getting touchy kikiki ki

Gombs:
Ahn ahn... Answer greetings na

You'd do good to answer me first. Thanks

Time specific? Candour... It's me o, not some rookie

The bible said "TITHES"... notice the plural

Receiveth is a continuous term meaning receives not received

Keypoint is... Levites paid to Melchizedek (even today ie Jews ) in Abraham... Out father of faith.

You're yet to explain

What do you understand by the term "levites paid tithes to Melchizedek in Abraham"?


Thank you

Nothing to explain,
what where you expecting to be used for Levites.
Of course, if one Levite, then one tithe was paid,
but since its more than one Levite who proxy Abraham paid tithe, then the plural tithes is used.
SMH, can't believe anyone will ask for this to be explained.

openmine:
Are U saying petra1 is joagbaje?
That's very serious...I wish I had known earlier...smh
oga candour happy new year...its been a while..how family?

Alter ego my friend

Candour:
Just leave the 2 of them to be twisting Hebrews anyhow.
How anybody can use Hebrews 7 as justification for collecting tithes from Christians never ceases to amaze me!!

You and I know why
It is because without tithe, Christ Embassy Osogbo and others will collapse and close shop. Kikiki ki.

petra1:
Hebrews 7:9 (KJV Strong's)
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

Thank God for scriptures like this . They said would have maintained it's not tithe . It's war booty . They wanted to kill the evidence . Just as some people who wanted to kill Lazarus after Jesus raised him . cool.

John 12:10 (KJV Strong's)
10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

Satan you can't put tithing to death . You can't put offerings to death .you can't put worship of God to death in the name of any strange doctrine

Candour:
Pastor joagbaje with spiritual gymnastics as usual. See what Abraham paid tithes from

Hebrews 7:4 KJV
Now consider how great this man was , unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Are you saying the holy spirit lied there that it was from ONLY spoils of that particular war?

Dont mind him and Gombs, his bumbling close associate
They can't seem to see the wood for the money trees, and are unable to understand that Hebrews 7:4 etcetera which they wave around is not positing tithes,
Hebrews 7 is taking solely about the validity of the priesthood of Jesus Christ
It is talking about Jesus and putting forward as fact that Jesus is of a superior priesthood to that of the Levites

As a matter of fact, the book of Hebrews IS NOT ABOUT tithe being pre-dating and superceding the Mosaic Law, not about the Aaronic priesthood or the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day, but is about Jesus Christ being a different priest, who is like Melchizedek

Over 99.9% of the book of Hebrews is talking about the supremacy of Jesus Christ
and profusely talking on about how Jesus Christ has a superior priesthood
but all what tithe marketeers can think of out of all in the entire book of Hebrews and zero on to, is tithe. SMH

The over reliance on tithe has put the fear on them that their organisation will collapse, will become non functional and its structure crumble, if tithe is no more made available to them.

The truth is, if tithing is stopped, most of these organisations will be forced to close up shop because all their arguments are based on their entitlement to tithes which they have no right to, their dependence and their reliance on tithes to stay/keep afloat

petra1:
Cheerful giving is not a new testament revelation. Don't make big deal out of it. It's based on OT principle.
The challenge is just that some folks have not really studied the Old Testament. It's the foundation for the new

In your obstinate determination to keep possession of tithing and to continue to practising it you turn a blind eye to the truth that OT principle is a shadow of NT principle

OT principle is a guardian, it was watching over until the graduation on to the NT principle

The challenge is just that some folks have not really studied to know that tithing, a former law and commandment, has been set aside because of its weakness and uselessness for another law and commandment, because of its strength and usefulness

Tithing is weak and useless because there is no priest and no Levite for the physical exchange
Tithing is also weak and useless because there no more is the temple in Jerusalem and no more are the Levitical cities in Israel

petra1:
It's not syncrisis. It's perfect illustration

Reiterating, the 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 you quoted, is a syncrisis, written as a figure of speech in which opposite things were compared
but if you says 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 isnt a syncrisis, which incidentally is also known as synkrisis, what exactly is 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 a perfect illustration of?

Peacefullove:
Nowhere did the Christian Bible said the Apostles collect tithe

if you think they do, show me where !

petra1:
1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Peacefullove:
and tithing is of the gospel ?

Did this verse said they collect tithe ? Point it out, where its written that they collect tithe !

the Lord in that passage when he actually said those who preach should live by the gospel, was he making a reference to tithe

petra1:
It's as simple as it says .How does the temple workers and ministers get theirwelfare ? it's through TITHES AND OFFERINGS

Is just a. Simple parallel.

SMH. It's not ''it's just a simple parallel''

What you read in that verse is a syncrisis, it is all about the law of sin and death (i.e. tithe etcetera)
and the law of Spirit (i.e. cheerful giving, just as has decided in the heart and under no compulsion etcetera)

Though 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is parallel to Romans 8:2, by itself alone 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is a syncrisis

Dont you recognise a syncrisis, when you see one petra1?
If you didn't know that 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is a syncrisis and not a parallel, then I dont know what else to type again.

Gombs:

You dont know which side, truly your bread is buttered, that's why you're holding briefcase for petra1 joagbaje
If you did, you wont be on petra1's side but will be on God's side and by the testimony of His undiluted word

Gombs:
You're lying or just being ignorant

This line isnt original as I first it used for petra1
I stated this on a preceded post on this thread, but petra1 deemed it being insultive,
but it's now confirmed there at least two on this thread who consistently are FAMOUSLY either playing being ignorant or behaving in untrustworthy or deceitful manners

Gombs:
[Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

SMH, ''the offering up of the Gentiles'' has nothing to do with them offering money
but is figuratively talking about the Gentiles'' being sacrifices themselves similarly to when animal sacrifies or offering were given,
this following our Lord Jesus Christ, and whose Ultimate sacrifice we are expected in spirit, mind and body we are all to emulate

Gombs:
The Greek word for offering there is Prosphora which means the act of offering, a bringing to that which is offered, a gift, a present.

The same word was used in Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour

If you were adhering to the train and flow of post between petra1 and mine, you would have noticed it was about petra1 claiming that collection is offering (i.e. And what is the collection called? No bi offering? - petra1)
and him embarrassingly using Acts 24:17 to back his claim that Paul offering in that verse was money. SMH
Read or familiarise yourself the subsequent posts on the Nazirite vow Paul did offering for

Gombs:
As you said offering has to do with animal sacrifices, it clearly shows you're in ignorance because the Bible said offering and a sacrifice... Two different things. Now, the word used there is prophora.

Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.[/color]

Same word phosphora

That word was used in Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 10:10 etc.

But in Hebrews 10:8 Paul used another word for "offering". In fact he used the two words together

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Offering was clearly different from burnt offering (which Greek word is holokautōma). This shows you're very wrong to say

SMH, smh smh, continue, continue ooo, continue smearing egg on your face
''thusia'' - sacrifice and ''phosphora'' - offering, are closely associated in meaning

Above when he said,
Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
- Hebrews 10:8 KJV

So in Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 10:10 and particularly Hebrews 10:8, please tell me, is ''Sacrifice and offering'' talking about money?
Tell me please wherein in that Hebrews 10:8 text or elsewhere, is ''money therein; are offered by the law''

Gombs:
Then for those who say it's called collection and not offerings, they err.

It's you erring big time, as it isnt called offering but apart from being collection, it also, is called contributions, which are voluntarily given, as decided in the heart, under no compulsion and for the support of the poor etcetera

Gombs:
Collections was used only once in the Bible (or at least new testament) and it's in 1 Corinthians 16:1 the Greek word is logia and it means money gathered for the relief of the poor...

Alms is also used for the relief of the poor, contributions is also used for the relief of the poor, but you wont find offering used for money gathered gathered for the relief of the poor

Gombs:
To say monies given in services is called collection is a huge lie and this is to make sure they don't call offerings as what they are prosphora, which is a gift or present (to God as an act of worship)

SMH, It is either carnal mind or a folly in thinking that would make anyone construe this otherwise
because monies given in services had always and originally been called collection and/or contributions

If believers are exhorted not to be worldly minded and not to be given to filthy lucre
then more the reason we should stop cheating our consciences by taking of this filthy lucre
and pack in this tithe scam charade instead of being fond of the filthy lucre

The trouble with most of these tithe marketeers can be found in Luke 5:39,
these kind of tithe marketeers are drunk on the old and thinking the old is better
Not realising that new wine must be put into fresh wineskins.

Gombs:
But... Tithe is a tenth of all your increase. God asked for it.

It was clearly before the law... Do you know what order of priesthood Jesus is of?

For the sake of carrying along with this line of thought
and then if you dont have an increase then you dont tithe, no bi so?

Also if Levi was in Abraham's seed and thereby indirectly tithed to Melchizedek,
then in the same vein the other tribes of Israel were in Abraham's seed too and perpetually tithing

Anyway the book of Hebrews wasnt about tithing, it's essence was showing the supremacy of Jesus Christ and His superior priesthood
That book wasnt positing tithing but tithe markeeters cling to it for dear life to erroneously using it to say tithing is appropriate

petra1:
Beautiful before the law.
So likewise tithes and offerings before the law

The law of the Spirit has made tithe and offering redundant
Offering is not money, offering has to do with animal sacrifices, which are about Levitical offerings
You are conflating offering with collection
Am quite sure, you dont partake in animal sacrifices

Junia:
I hope the offering was not the laws type of offering
Or ??

¹³‘Now this is the law of the Nazirite when the days of his separation are fulfilled, he shall bring the offering to the doorway of the tent of meeting.
¹⁴‘He shall present his offering to the LORD: one male lamb a year old without defect for a burnt offering and one ewe-lamb a year old without defect for a sin offering and one ram without defect for a peace offering,
¹⁵and a basket of unleavened cakes of fine flour mixed with oil and unleavened wafers spread with oil, along with their grain offering and their drink offering.
¹⁶‘Then the priest shall present them before the LORD and shall offer his sin offering and his burnt offering.
¹⁷‘He shall also offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings to the LORD, together with the basket of unleavened cakes; the priest shall likewise offer its grain offering and its drink offering.
¹⁸‘The Nazirite shall then shave his dedicated head of hair at the doorway of the tent of meeting, and take the dedicated hair of his head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of peace offerings.
¹⁹‘The priest shall take the ram’s shoulder when it has been boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them on the hands of the Nazirite after he has shaved his dedicated hair.
²⁰‘Then the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. It is holy for the priest, together with the breast offered by waving and the thigh offered by lifting up; and afterward the Nazirite may drink wine.’
- Numbers 6:13-20

The bible is explicit in what Paul brought
For such an occasion like this,
the bible made it clear Paul that brought two things, ALMS (i.e. a donation to the poor) & OFFERING (i.e. Numbers 6:13-20 Nazarite vow offering)

They were of the laws type of offering aka Levitical offerings
Paul was caught between a rock and a hard place, so he succumbed to this custom along with four other Jewish brethen, if I recall their number correctly

petra1:
Of course it's money

Paul stayed in Corinth for some time after that, then said good-bye to the brothers and sisters and went to nearby Cenchrea. There he shaved his head according to Jewish custom, marking the end of a vow. Then he set sail for Syria, taking Priscilla and Aquila with him.
- Acts 18:18

It is not money
You dont offer money to fulfil a Nazarite vow
You offer animal sacrifice (i.e. a lamb) to complete the vow, not money

petra1:
Stop being insultive, just explain your points.
Or I will stop communication with you. Let's excercise christian fruits .

2 Timothy 2:24 (KJV Strong's)
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient

Dont be paranoid, I havent being insulting to you one minute, it is you who has totally been disregarding and disrespecting the truth when exposed to you

petra1:
Whichever way you look at it . It's still wrong. Offering is offering. If Paul offered Animal sacrifice why should you condemn tithe. If Paul offered money same

Its you who incorrectly is saying in Acts 24:17, Paul offerred money for a Nazarite vow
No one offers money for fulfiling a Nazarite vow. Why are you so fixated on money?
The offerings are animal sacrifices as per Numbers 6:13-20 guidance, not money brother

petra1:
Brother. The offering Paul gave were the special offerings the churches had been putting together every service for the saints in Jerusalem. Check your bible again

¹³‘Now this is the law of the Nazirite when the days of his separation are fulfilled, he shall bring the offering to the doorway of the tent of meeting.
¹⁴‘He shall present his offering to the LORD: one male lamb a year old without defect for a burnt offering and one ewe-lamb a year old without defect for a sin offering and one ram without defect for a peace offering,
¹⁵and a basket of unleavened cakes of fine flour mixed with oil and unleavened wafers spread with oil, along with their grain offering and their drink offering.
¹⁶‘Then the priest shall present them before the LORD and shall offer his sin offering and his burnt offering.
¹⁷‘He shall also offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings to the LORD, together with the basket of unleavened cakes; the priest shall likewise offer its grain offering and its drink offering.
¹⁸‘The Nazirite shall then shave his dedicated head of hair at the doorway of the tent of meeting, and take the dedicated hair of his head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of peace offerings.
¹⁹‘The priest shall take the ram’s shoulder when it has been boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them on the hands of the Nazirite after he has shaved his dedicated hair.
²⁰‘Then the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. It is holy for the priest, together with the breast offered by waving and the thigh offered by lifting up; and afterward the Nazirite may drink wine.’
- Numbers 6:13-20

The bible is explicit in what Paul brought
For such an occasion like this,
the bible made it clear Paul that brought two things, ALMS (i.e. a donation to the poor) & OFFERING (i.e. Numbers 6:13-20 Nazarite vow offering)

petra1:
And also try put some humility in your communication so that when you make mistakes like this there will be room to take correction. But when you go all about throwing abusive words .when bible ever den ever proove you wrong, it May be difficult to accept. And that's waste of time. That's why I cut off when any poster start acting or talk nutty.

You really are none the wiser. SMH
I was going to say this is a complete waste of time but then you will start getting the hump again and go on about being insultive

petra1:
You're wrong. Even Paul himself called it offering

Acts 24:17 (KJV Strong's)
17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings

So Paul went to the Temple the next day with the other men.
They had already started the purification ritual,
so he publicly announced the date when their vows would end and sacrifices would be offered for each of them
- Acts 21:26

The Nazarite Vow
¹⁸The Nazirite shall then shave his dedicated head of hair at the doorway of the tent of meeting,
and take the dedicated hair of his head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of peace offerings.
¹⁹The priest shall take the ram's shoulder when it has been boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket
and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them on the hands of the Nazirite after he has shaved his dedicated hair.
²⁰'Then the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD.
It is holy for the priest, together with the breast offered by waving and the thigh offered by lifting up;
and afterward the Nazirite may drink wine.
- Numbers 6:18-20

Why dont you try pulling my other leg. What is Paul calling offering here?
I bet you want to say money, cash, kudi, etcetera, abi?

For reasons best known to you, you are either playing being ignorant here or behaving in an untrustworthy or deceitful way

Acts 21:26 and Numbers 6:18-20 above blows this wide open,
and I wonder why you didnt notice Acts 24:18, where you easily would have found that Paul was mentioning being in a temple over a Nazarite Vow because the temple hasn't yet been destroyed.

The “offerings” were the sacrifices which the Apostle was about to offer on the completion of the Nazarite vow with which he had associated himself.
- Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

And offerings - The word used here properly denotes "an offering or gift" of any kind; but it is usually applied to an oblation or offering made to God in the temple - "a thank-offering, a sacrifice." This is probably its meaning here. He came to bring aid to his needy countrymen, and an offering to God; and it was, therefore, no part of his purpose to interfere with, or to profane the worship of the temple.
- Barnes' Notes on the Bible

petra1:
Just exercise spiritual fruit. It's a discussion

and demolishing arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God

petra1:
Not a fight. You wan fight for God?

Here we go again, you going off on a very nice divergence

petra1:
You mustn't speak if there nothing to say. Just study your bible

SMH. If you practice what you preach, you shouldnt have mentioned heave and wave offerings, when you had nothing to say
because if you did do a proper study of your bible, you would have realised that heave offerring is closely associated with the burnt offerings, meal offerings
and that wave offerring is closely associated with peace offering

petra1:
Whatever you give to God or in his name is an offering

Your sense of entitlement to filthy lucre betrays you.
A leopard can't/doesn't change its spots,
when you say ''Whatever you give to God or in his name is an offering'', to you, the ''whatever'' in there, is cash, ego or money
preferably in Pounds Sterling, Dollars or Euros

petra1:
Then he has right to excercise his conviction without being a spoke mouth of another or another acting as his mouth piece

You got jokes, I tell ya.

petra1:
Kindly allow him to speak for himself. It's evident you're putting words in his mouth

Please for a moment, be at least honest, as I have not said any word(s), he hasnt previously or already said

petra1:
And was the collection not an offering?

SMH. If I say you're incorrigible, you'll interpret it as insult

petra1:
Prayer was in OT also, fasting was OT. Likewise honoring thy father and mother

SMH

petra1:
You missed the wave offering, heave offering

If I say you're now being pedantic, you'll interpret it as insult

petra1:
Offering as an institution will always be part of worship of God. Old, new and future dispensation

Offerring what gangan?

petra1:
You have good memory

The glory goes to God

petra1:
But don't try to biase the purity of another mans conscience.
Let him seek truth for himself. And don't try to win argument. Seek truth and Let truth Prevail

He has been doing the Berean all along and already

He knows the truth, and is broken free from the shackles of tithe marketeers

petra1:
And what is the collection called? No bi offering?

Unfortunately no

petra1:
You didn't say yes. I take it that you said yes.

When he said, yes, that was in reference believing in giving collection

petra1:
If you believe in giving offering. Was it not an institution under the law as well ? Why the attack on tithes only? If we must follow your theology we should never give to God. We should not even obey God. Because obedience to God was an institution under the law. You can see the point. Tithes an offerings were by same principles. You can't take one and leave the other.

He is having neither of tithes or offerings

Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work

Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings,
which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to do any of the offerings
On Calvary, Jesus is our Peace Offering, is our Guilt or Sin Offering, is our Burnt Offering, is our Trespass Offering and Meal Offering

Junia:
OK since we are learning tell me the difference

A leopard can't/doesn't change its spots
Since the leopard wont come clean about the difference, your wish is my command

Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work

Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings,
which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to offer or do them

Junia:
I thought i said yes and gave a reference to my giving

Mark my words and watch him,
because he's going to come back with a bible version of 1 Corinthians 16:1 that incorrectly translates the word ''collection'' as offering
and then excitedly say gotcha, offering is not redundant etcetera

petra1:
No need for insult

You're desperately so predictable
When was and where was the insult?

petra1:
Just deal with your bible references

It's you who needs to deal with your bible references
because you were asked:
Do you have any other bible verse(s) except for Luke 11:42 witnessing
and corroborating this delusion of yours that Jesus encouraged tithing?
Like I said earlier, I dont think you'll have.

petra1:
If you can call a scripture open before the world as evidence a delusion why do i need to give another

Kikikikiki. Ice will form in hell before you'll ever get round to giving a non-existent another which will corroborate Luke 11:42

petra1:
Deal with the one before you first

Me? Deal with a wild goose chase?. I can't do that. Thank you

petra1:
On the contrary he did

Luke 11:42 (NLT)
42 “What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,
but you ignore justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

You and your Joagbaje alter ego are real hard-case incorrigibles
Do you have any other bible verse corroborating this delusion of yours that Jesus encouraged tithing?
I dont think you'll have. SMH

petra1:
And what makes you thinks churches don't teach it

If churches are teaching it,
then they arent teaching it in good faith or good enough
because if they were, they wouldnt for dear life, be clinging on to tithing and refusing to let go of it

petra1:
Unlike you the churches teach the whole counsel of God

Pfttt, yimu

Junia:
The church doesnt have priests now (Ephesians 4:11)

Junia:
Now we christians are the royal priesthood
I am a priest
Christ is the high priest

But when Jesus said "this temple," he meant his own body
- John 2:21

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
- 1 Corinthians 3:16

True, now every believer is a priest, whose duty is to look after the temple of God, within where God dwells

Joagbaje:
Tithe is for the work of God

There is a sucker born every minute to prey on or pray for,
and that is what people who peddle these kind of misleading information rely on

Joagbaje:
There are people, staff and officials who work full time in churches and are paid.
Its not just about pastors. Of course most pastors don't depend on church since they have thier own jobserved outside church.
However some pastors still work full time in ministry and such require support.
TITHES also goes for other bills in church . So e chair rentals etc

¹Now I want you to know, dear brothers and sisters,a what God in his kindness has done through the churches in Macedonia.
²They are being tested by many troubles, and they are very poor. But they are also filled with abundant joy, which has overflowed in rich generosity.
³For I can testify that they gave not only what they could afford, but far more. And they did it of their own free will.
⁴They begged us again and again for the privilege of sharing in the gift for the believersb in Jerusalem.
⁵They even did more than we had hoped, for their first action was to give themselves to the Lord and to us, just as God wanted them to do.
⁶So we have urged Titus, who encouraged your giving in the first place, to return to you and encourage you to finish this ministry of giving.
⁷Since you excel in so many ways—in your faith, your gifted speakers, your knowledge, your enthusiasm, and your love from us
—I want you to excel also in this gracious act of giving.
⁸I am not commanding you to do this. But I am testing how genuine your love is by comparing it with the eagerness of the other churches.
⁹You know the generous grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that by his poverty he could make you rich.
¹⁰Here is my advice: It would be good for you to finish what you started a year ago. Last year you were the first who wanted to give, and you were the first to begin doing it.
¹¹Now you should finish what you started. Let the eagerness you showed in the beginning be matched now by your giving. Give in proportion to what you have.
¹²Whatever you give is acceptable if you give it eagerly. And give according to what you have, not what you don’t have.
¹³Of course, I don’t mean your giving should make life easy for others and hard for yourselves. I only mean that there should be some equality.
¹⁴Right now you have plenty and can help those who are in need. Later, they will have plenty and can share with you when you need it. In this way, things will be equal.
¹⁵As the Scriptures say,
“Those who gathered a lot had nothing left over,
and those who gathered only a little had enough.”
- 2 Corinthians 8:1-15 NLT

Each of you should give whatever you have decided.
You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give, since God loves a cheerful giver.
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

Tithing is legalistic and that's why Jesus never encouraged it

Why not acquaint members with all these financial responsibilities
and teach them about the principle of Generous & Cheerful Giving as found in 2 Corinthians 8:1-15 & 2 Corinthians 9:7
I doubt whether at all 2 Corinthians 8:13 is ever taken notice off

Junia:
Im talking about a single leader being a priest ..

What's with a single leader being a priest... about?
Single leader being a priest ... for what?

Junia:
I know we are the royal priesthood

³Moses went up to God,
and the LORD called to him from the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel:
⁴‘You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself.
⁵‘Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant,
then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine;
⁶and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’
These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel.”
- Exodus 19:3-6

Yep going back to the original plan of making all priests
In the beginning, it was God's plan, starting with the tribes of Israel (i.e. the Israelites) that, all will be His priests
but after the Israelites flouted the 2nd commandment, God changed the focus from all, to only the tribe of Levi being priests