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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 5:52pm On Jan 22, 2017

Junia:
The church doesnt have priests now (Ephesians 4:11)

But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God's very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light
- 1 Peter 2:9 NLT

The church does have priests
You are a priest, I am a priest, everyone called out, is a priest

Junia:
And since the early church didnt pay tithe .. then we should also not pay tithe

The called out were never commanded by God to pay tithe
and anyway tithe is meant to be paid by an Israelite
and given in land of Israel explicitly for agricultural products obtained from the land of Israel

When the Israelites were in exile, they didnt pay tithe.
Tithing stopped when they were in captivity
They continued paying tithe after returning back from exile and rebuilding the temple

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 5:35pm On Jan 22, 2017

DeKen:
Heb 7:5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham.
Heb 7:6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater.
Heb 7:8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.
Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,
Heb 7:10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

(Did you get that? This is saying that even under the (Old Covenant) Aaronic Priesthood, that the tithe was actually still being collected (for Melchizedek) through Abraham - because the Levites were all his descendants and were only stand-ins for Abraham!)

Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
Heb 7:13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Heb 7:15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
Heb 7:16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. ...

This is pointing out that:

The tithe pre-dates and supercedes the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood under the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day.
Both the Old Covenant Law and priesthood have now changed. From the Old Covenant to the New Covenant and that the priesthood were actually only collecting the tithe for the Melchizedek priesthood all the time.

The tithe (The tenth) now goes (or continues to go) to Jesus as our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Or another way to boil it down is that the Melchizedek priesthood of which the Son of God (Jesus) is our High Priest, has always existed and that all tithes collected were and are still His to receive. Jesus is the High Priest of the Heavenly Temple. The tenth, (the tithe, 10%) was paid to the High Priest by Abraham, and the tenth is still to be paid to our High Priest (Jesus) today! But, now Jesus is seated at the right hand of Father God in Heaven, yet His earthly ministry continues here on Earth.

You really had me in stitches with all your above jokes.

Over 95% of the book of Hebrews is talking about the supremacy of Jesus Christ
and banging on about how Jesus Christ has a superior priesthood
but all you can think of the entire book of Hebrews and zero on to, is tithe. SMH

The book of Hebrews IS NOT ABOUT tithe being pre-dating and superceding the Mosaic Law and the Aaronic priesthood under the Melchizedek priesthood in Abraham's day, but is about Jesus Christ being a different priest, who is like Melchizedek

Dont read Hebrews 7 in isolation, as you're paying too much attention to the non-issue mention of tithe in Hebrews 7:8-9

Please, in order to understand the gist of the entire book of Hebrews, go back to the book of Hebrews, and focus on Hebrews 2 - Hebrews 10

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 4:42pm On Jan 22, 2017*

DeKen:
Nice comic relief

I will give you nice comic relief in a minute.

DeKen:
Paul said he is entitled to it as commanded but he "himself" will not use the right to it, hence he chooses to let it come willingly

Entitled to what gangan, ah?
Paul said he was entitled to support from the churches, HE DID NOT SAY HE WAS ENTITLED TO TITHE, haba.
Chief kilode?

DeKen:
Just like he had chosen not to marry so that he can concentrate on the work of God and even encourages those who can to follow suit.
So if you should minister, would you say you must not marry because Paul encouraged consecration?

You really need to go read up more on 1 Corinthians 7:25

DeKen:
Even where the provision is there, you can choose not to pay the tithe.
After all God created man with freedom of choice.
You are advised to choose life, but it's still all up to you to choose life or death.

The provision of the law of aerodynamic is there
One can choose to ignore the the law of aerodynamic and instead only pay attention to the law of gravity
After all God created man with freedom of choice
and that one, will remain grounded and not be in the air

The law of the spirit, is life
The law of sin and death? Well, its self explanatory
It is sin to pay tithe.
One is missing the mark, if one is paying tithe

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 4:18pm On Jan 22, 2017

DeKen:
Hebrews 7:5-10 NIV
⁵ Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.
⁶This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises

Aaargh, Hebrews 7 is not positing tithes,
Hebrews 7 is solely about the priesthood of Jesus Christ
It is talking about Jesus and putting forward as fact that Jesus is of a superior priesthood to that of the Levites

For when the priesthood is changed, the Law must be changed as well
- Hebrews 7:12

Have you not noticed or read the transition in Hebrews 7:12?
The law of the Spirit (e.g. cheerful giving etcetera) has replaced the law of sin and death (e.g. tithe giving etcetera)

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 4:01pm On Jan 22, 2017

DeKen:
Romans 3:31 KJV
³¹Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Paul always says, there is nothing shameful in asking for financial support, inasmuch as that the giving is done cheerfully and not done under compulsion

Yes brother, the Wright brothers made void the law of gravity through faith.
God allows: Yea, with the recognition and establishing of the law of aerodynamic, we now fly in the air with planes not dropping down

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:51pm On Jan 22, 2017

DeKen:
(Note that Paul uses an Old Covenant illustration for financial support of the ministry. I mention this because some people believe that everything Moses gave as part of the Law is no longer even relevant to a New Covenant Christian. )
(Note also that this outreach was part of Paul's ministry - and Paul was not a Pastor of a church.)

1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about the oxen that God is concerned?
1 Cor 9:10 Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
1 Cor 9:11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?

(Note that Paul also believed in the principal of financial sowing and reaping.)

1 Cor 9:12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

(Note also that Paul states that he (the ministry) has the right to expect to be financially supported by those ministered to.)

(Next Paul uses the Old Covenant Levitical priesthood as an illustration for financial support of the ministry. This is the Levitical priesthood, which received the tithe. I mention this because in nearly all of the anti-tithe teachings they state that the Levitical system has no relevance to New Covenant Christians. Now remember, Paul is talking about financial support here ...)

1 Cor 9:13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?
1 Cor 9:14 IN THE SAME WAY, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

(Question: How was food provided to those who worked in the temple? Answer: The tithe and the offerings.)

Paul was not advocating the law of sin and death
You support the temple and the Levites with obligatory laws (i.e. law of sin and death)
You support the Gospel and its workers with left-to-personal choice laws (i.e. law of the spirit)

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:44pm On Jan 22, 2017

seguno2:
This is not different from what Deuteronomy and Malachi recommended for the old Levite priests- eat/ have enough to live with from the tithes of the other Israelites since they must not work and have no inheritance/land.
Is that the case with the penterascal pastors who own property and pass them to their children?

DeKen:
The Levites still had possessions, lands, beast, farms etc. Numbers 35. Especially vs 1 - 4.

Response follows below

CecyAdrian:
Possessions which were given to them, they on their own did not source for the lands, farms or beast, the other tribes of Israel gave it to them freely from their own inheritance since they (Levites) have none.

The Levites have no other work apart from being priests serving in the temple
They dont live ostentatious, extravagant and extortionate lifestyle nor live in palatial settings

The Israelites were commanded to provide 48 Levitical cities spread right across Israel to the Levites
These were used not only for the Levites to live in
but to be used as pasture lands for the cattle, herds etcetera they obtain via tithe etcetera and be a place to take refuge in

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:08pm On Jan 22, 2017

Junia:
Who should I tithe to??

If it's tithe commanded by God, then tithe to the Levites
If it's tithe not commanded by God (e.g. like the Abraham kind of tithing),
then tithe to a priest or to a warlord like was already being done in Abraham's times

Junia:
What should I tithe??

If it's tithe commanded by God,
then it should be one tenth of the produce of the land in ISRAEL, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees.

If it's tithe not commanded by God (e.g. like the Abraham kind of tithing)
then it should be one tenth of spoils of war (i.e. one tenth of what's obtained off another person(s))

Junia:
Christians are not under the law??

Do you mean Christians are not under the law of sin and death?

Junia:
Jesus didnt pay tithe??

True.
Jesus didnt pay tithe as his occupation wasnt agricultural

Junia:
His disciples didnt pay tithe??

True.
The fishermen nor doctor dont and didnt pay tithe

Junia:
There was no where in the Bible where the early church paid tithe??

True.
After 70 AD, the temple was no more and so no Levites serving in the temple to give tithe to

Junia:
Neither Paul nor the other apostles taught about tithing though they taught about giving

True.
They taught about a superior or higher law (i.e. the transition from the the law of sin and death to the law of the Spirit)

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 2:17pm On Jan 22, 2017

Junia:
I only agree with the fact that his tithe was not only agricultural products

The tithe commanded by God explicitly was about agricultural products
Money comes into the equation, only if you want to buy back the tithe, and that's when, you pay the price value plus one fifth the price value
This is the only time money is exchanged for tithe with the Levites

Junia:
Buh I know God didnt actually want money

Money wasnt in deal Jacob made with God
and that's why God wasnt demanding for money
Money wasnt in the ''deal'' struck with God, at Bethel, by Jacob aka Israel

Junia:
I dont buy the idea of paying tithe

Why not?
What are all your exhaustive reasons why you dont buy the idea of paying tithe

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 1:58pm On Jan 22, 2017

petra1:
Even Jewish Rabbis will tell you there were different tithes. This article

Find the link below: ht t p://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/tithing/

The Jewish Rabbis also say:
''the laws of tithing only apply to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes''

CecyAdrian:
I believe what I read in the bible and not what some Rabbi who obviously was trying to defend his source of income.

It's there in the bible white and black, God is not the author of confusion.

Did you notice in the article petra1 provided, stating that:

According to the Rabbis, the laws of tithing only apply to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes...
Moreover the purpose of tithing, for the upkeep of the priests and Levites, has no meaning nowadays

petra1:
Why not ? It's an eternal principle. Just like offering, prayers, almsgiving etc.

Can you answer this question? Do you steal because you're not under the law. Do you kill and covet?

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2 KJV

All laws, effectively, are eternal principles
The law of gravity is an eternal principle, just as the law of aerodynamics too, is an eternal principle
The law of sin (e.g. tithing) is an eternal principle, just as the law of the spirit (e.g. under no compulsion, cheerful giving) too is an eternal principle

Now, you render one law redundant (e.g. the law of sin; tithing)
by the operation of a superior law (e.g. law of the spirit; under no compulsion, cheerful giving)

Besides the above, why do you think God laid claim to tithe from the ISRAELITES,
demanding that the tithe of everything from the land,
whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to Him, is His right and is His due?
What's your verse apart from Leviticus 27:30, proves that God can lay claim and assert rights to tithe on the land of ISRAEL?

annunaki2:
Where in the bible is tithes called an eternal principle
and why is biblical tithing different from the fraudulent type preached in churches today?

annunaki2 asks him does he fly in planes?
Ask him, why doesnt the law of the force of gravity operate when he travels in aeroplanes?

petra1:
It's a matter of choice.
People did gave Money as tithes and offerings in the Bible days.
For example the man that rears dogs or horses can't bring them to the temple because they are termed unclean
but he can give money equivalent.
Also wounded animals could be redeemed with money.
And lastly people do give money of their gains as tithes and offering

Leviticus 27:30-31 (KJV)
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.
31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

Leviticus 27:27 (KJV)
27 And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.

Matthew 23:23 (NLT)
23 . . . .For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Luke 18:12 (AMPC)
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

The point is that they gave cash of their income in cash

This is a lie to from the pit of hell
Cash (i.e. money) was ONLY given as a form of penalty when redeeming any of the tithe

And we all know what REDEEM means. Right?
REDEEM means to buy back the tithe, as in to pay the price of the tithe.
Only that you dont just pay the price of the tithe, you'll also have to add 20% to the price value of the tithe

Junia:
Okay i agree with it

Dont let him barrage you, with his misleading information, into agreeing him
You dont know this guy
He really knows how to spins yarns about tithing

His desire for filthy lucre makes him conflate Abraham tithing (i.e. this tithe wasnt commanded nor demanded for, by God)
with the ISRAELITES tithing (i.e. this tithe was commanded and demanded by God from the ISRAELITES)

…²⁴"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe,
since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you,
²⁵then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.
²⁶"You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires:
for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires;
and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.…
- Deuteronomy 14:24-26

³⁰“One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy.
³¹If you want to redeem buy back the Lord’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent.
³²Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the Lord as holy
- Leviticus 27:30-32

With the tithe commanded by God and demanded from the ISRAELITE, money comes into the equation ONLY on 2 occasions or for 2 reasons
(i.e. a Deuteronomy 14:24-26 reason or a Leviticus 27:30-32 reason)

If an ISRAELITE wanted to keep his tithe of cows worth N1,000, he could buy them back by paying the cash value of the tithe with a surcharge
In this case pay N1,000+N200, where N200 is from 20% of N1000 and is the surcharge and penalty for not wanting to hand over the original tithe

God never was into money or cash tithe, tithes were paid in agricultural produce (e.g. farming, cultivating soil, producing crops and raising livestock)
The ISRAELITE that paid tithe, in cash or money, would have had to pay on top of the tithe value, also a 20% surcharge penalty for this liberty

Christianity Etc › Re: The Universal Declaration Of Peace and Safety and the End Of Time. by MuttleyLaff: 7:06am On Jan 21, 2017

MrPresident1:
The coming of Jesus, and the establishment of his kingdom is physical, real and tangible, it is not 'allegorical'.

All eyes will see him, including those who pierced him.

On or before 20th January 2017. There will just be a sound GBOAAAAA!!!

Then the earth will reel to and like a mighty drunken man, and it is the end of the wicked

Then Jesus will descend from the clouds of heaven, and his kingdom will be established forever

LordReed:
It's now the 21st by UTC time, how far?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is coming soon. This thread is for faithful watchmen by MuttleyLaff: 10:42pm On Jan 20, 2017*

analice107:
Hmmm, Holdon, maybe it will happen in afternoon or in the evening, or even in the night.

Dont encourage him jare

MrPresident1 has a wardrobe full of flops
When we were advising him against his dubious prediction, he was hanging axe for head
He was warned that certain unprecedented events will need to be fast rolled into the short window time he is predicting Jesus to be coming back to
He failed to recognise many major events listed in prophecy that MUST happen before anyone can start thinking about Jesus ''is coming soon''

It's no surprise, all his predictions to date, back to back etcetera turns out to be flops

He should be thankful Deuteronomy 18:20 is no longer in force

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is coming soon. This thread is for faithful watchmen by MuttleyLaff: 7:19am On Jan 20, 2017

MrPresident1:
Today is da day Amen
Da day of the LORD Amen

Today is da day Amen
Da day of the LORD Amen

MuttleyLaff:
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Mr MrPresident1 Wehdone Sir
but what's your foot size please?

analice107:
You want to buy him shoes?

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No, he has enough ~~prophecy~~ flops as it is
MrPresident1 you didnt mention that you're known to the MET police for your flops
Wehdone Sir

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Big Is The Faith Of A Mustard Seed? by MuttleyLaff: 8:14am On Jan 17, 2017

Seun:
I think I understand you, but you're over-analyzing the verse.
Jesus was clearly referring to the size of the seed, not the size of the tree.

The small size key factor works for doubt, just as much as it works for faith
Only that the in the case of doubt, the small seeds of doubt conversely creates mountains, instead of moving them

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is coming soon. This thread is for faithful watchmen by MuttleyLaff: 7:39am On Jan 17, 2017

MrPresident1:
Hahaha wool man

This one is a confirmed prophecy

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Mr MrPresident1 Wehdone Sir
but what's your foot size please?

Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop Eddie Long Is Dead by MuttleyLaff: 9:32pm On Jan 15, 2017

RIP
http://www.theroot.com/breaking-bishop-eddie-long-dead-at-63-1791227805

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Catholics Explain This Picture... by MuttleyLaff: 1:01pm On Jan 15, 2017

1acre:
Please i am very serious..
Can we have a better understanding of this picture

~~Only Catholics can comment~~

Ishilove:
Catholics and statues are like

https://i.imgsafe.org/b63f9caf13.gif
Simples. For hin mind,
he is kissing baby Jesus' knee

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is coming soon. This thread is for faithful watchmen by MuttleyLaff: 1:02am On Jan 15, 2017*

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... Right now, you'll be like: Oh dear, up to 5 more days,
and then think: What if...
but after that, be like:
Nah. Perish the thought
Jesus is the Redeemer. The devil is a liar

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is coming soon. This thread is for faithful watchmen by MuttleyLaff: 4:00pm On Jan 12, 2017

MrPresident1:
Well, I a have not been following that news, but one thing is sure, that land belongs to neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians.

If anything happens, if any agreement is signed, we will try to situate it in Bible prophecy.

Anyway, though I have told you this before, it doesn't stop me, saying it again, that a lot of outstanding or yet fulfilled prophecies will need to be hurriedly and squashingly slotted in, back to back, into the limiting window of time that is between now and on or before Friday, January 20th, 2017

I know you've already got made up excuses saved for when your proverbial doesn't hit the fan sic

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is coming soon. This thread is for faithful watchmen by MuttleyLaff: 3:13pm On Jan 12, 2017

MuttleyLaff:
Israel must adopt two-state solution for lasting peace
- John Kerry 28 December 2016

I am, particularly watching to see what the aftermath will be of this approximately 70 Nations meeting
to be held in Paris, France on January the 15th, 2017
where a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is going to be submitted and forced on Israel
(i.e. divide Israel into two)

Will the outcome of this coming Sunday, January the 15th, 2017 be a catalyst for something

Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Lives by MuttleyLaff: 11:48pm On Jan 10, 2017

MizMyColi:
If this presentation is correct, then I find the emboldened Verryyy curious.

Thanks for taking the time to educate us

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching.
They will follow their own desires
and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.
- 2 Timothy 4:3

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Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Lives by MuttleyLaff: 11:48pm On Jan 10, 2017

Sarassin:
Christian doctrine conflates Lucifer with Satan but they are in fact two different beings so I will write about Lucifer first. If memory serves me right Lucifer is never mentioned in the Bible as the Devil or Satan, ever

Correct its a Latin legacy courtesy of Jerome
This fact and more, is what any come-of-age, handling accurately the word of truth believer knows about

Sarassin:
He is mentioned in the Book of Isaiah Once as the fallen Morning-star. In truth he is a bringer of light, a Promethian figure if you will who angered the gods by stealing fire and delivering it to humanity. Lucifer is in fact the “in-between” the light of transition and brings change. He has absolutely nothing to do with evil, Satan or darkness.

This section is conflated and cunningly written

Sarassin:
On learning planes I have seen him on holy ground always impeccably turned out.
He is a teacher and the presence of the Divine light on earth, he is most closely associated with Venus

But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

Sarassin:
Satan on the other hand......

... is a liar and the father of lies.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Lives by MuttleyLaff: 4:29pm On Jan 10, 2017*

Sarassin:
When a Jew stumbles across a truth, he immediately yells, "I have found the truth"

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Wow, sarcasm! That's original

As for me, there is this particular world famous Jew (i.e. my role model)
whom I am extremely proud of, who didnt stumble across a truth,
but who boldly and openly declared, He, actually is, the Truth.

Sarassin:
When a Greek comes across a truth, he states "I have found 'A' truth"

Two sarcasms on the trot
Watch out, he is on a roll

²⁰And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
²¹They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request.
"Sir," they said, "we would like to see ~~the~~ ~~truth~~ Jesus."
- John 12:20-21

Correct Greeks know The Truth, when they spot One.

Christianity Etc › Re: Spirit Lives by MuttleyLaff: 8:07am On Jan 10, 2017*

AngelsAndStars:
Asin am just confused in this world.

so many truths flying everywhere. I was in church this evening and they were preaching stuffs I was just looking,
I was just wondering if that one sef is truth.

the muslims will come with their own. violently with passion. saying their own is the truth. nna am tired.

everybody seems so sure. but really who is right?
am confused meehn

The only person that categorically & only, HAS EVER SAID, He is the way and the truth and the life, is Jesus Christ

Buddha, doesnt say he is or claim to be, all three at once
Mohammed doesnt say he is or claim to be, all three at once
No one except Jesus, has come out to explicitly or directly say He is the way and the truth and the life.

... Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
- Galatians 1:7

MizMyColi:
Follow your truth. More importantly, be true to yourself

Jesus answered,
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me
- John 14:6

MizMyColi:
There is a spirit in man, and the inspiration of the almighty gives him understanding....

Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not rely on your own understanding;
- Proverbs 3:5

Whoever trusts in himself is foolish,
but whoever lives wisely will be kept safe
- Proverbs 28:26

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Beheadings Recorded In The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 7:24am On Jan 10, 2017

OLAADEGBU:
Good job for those examples given but was King Saul beheaded?

⁸The next day, when the Philistines went out to strip the dead, they found the bodies of Saul and his three sons on Mount Gilboa.
⁹So they cut off Saul's head and stripped off his armor.
Then they proclaimed the good news of Saul's death in their pagan temple and to the people throughout the land of Philistia.
- 1 Samuel 31:8-9

Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Beheadings Recorded In The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 7:03am On Jan 10, 2017

OLAADEGBU:
Are there beheadings recorded in the Bible?

Yes

OLAADEGBU:
How many people does the Bible record being beheaded?

Apart from John the Baptist,
the other people recorded are Goliath, King Saul, King Saul's son Ish-bosheth, two princes of the Midianites named Oreb and Zeeb, the unnumbered souls beheaded for witnessing Christ and because of the word of God

There are many more to the above, such as Ahab's 70 sons etcetera

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Christianity Etc › Re: D by MuttleyLaff: 2:57pm On Jan 09, 2017*

Seun:
It is true that certain prayers cannot be answered because they are unreasonable. If I ask God to make me the richest person in the world, and you do the same, both of our prayers can't be answered. Others have pointed out that Jesus should not have promised to grant us anything we ask in his name, knowing that there are some prayers that can't be answered.

This is a brilliant submission, wish I had in hand some of those Putin's cookies to give you

Seun:
That's a good point, but here's another one. Many of the people ask God for are things that can and should be granted. For example, divine protection of vulnerable people from ritualists, rapists, murderers, kidnappers, armed robbers, and other violent criminals.

Prayers for an end to endless cycles of bloodshed in wars all over the world.

Prayers for God to grant us wise leaders who are not corrupt. Prayers for healing from incurable diseases such as cancer, which kills many children painfully.

Prayers to end the terror of ISIS and Boko Haram.

Is there any humane reason for God not to answer such prayers, if he exists?

Because it will be God meddling in the timetable OF when all these things will cease.

These things are consequences that have to run their course.

Besides everything goes through due processes. Remember it took God 2000 years, or is it 4000 years sef before God appeared on Earth as Jesus Christ.

All these concerns you highlighted above, in due course and at the appointed time will all be resolved and be NO more

Love the first half of your post though.

Christianity Etc › Re: D by MuttleyLaff: 2:48pm On Jan 09, 2017

Lennycool:
Nairaland mods did not promise to move mountains for you

Do hyperboles mean anything to you?

Christianity Etc › Re: D by MuttleyLaff: 7:40am On Jan 09, 2017

Ranchhoddas:
Terrible analogies

The supplement post went over the head, that's the reason for this self-indulgent twaddle
Mind you, they are very nice hypotheticals, testing to see whether one can agree that ~~prayer~~ requests do not work on Nairaland and/or with the god of Nairaland

Ranchhoddas:
The 'god of Nairaland' did not make any of these promises

MPE.
People, most of times, are praying amiss for/with promises God did not make

Ranchhoddas:
He does not have messengers going about saying that he can or will do those things

Stick to the response to Seun's quote about whether to agree that prayer does not work and that God evidently doesn't answer prayers

Ranchhoddas:
Your God on the other hand...

Your failing to acknowledge God or your inability to accept the supremacy of God doesnt affect the fact He is God of ALL.

Lennycool:
My man here you are again

I really need to understand your belief system

It's high time you stop fishing for and seeking validation from other ''You haff join gang'' tools

Lennycool:
And don't bother wasting your time on that one, he's not even trying to make sense

Suppose, for the sake of argument, that I was even trying to make sense to you, then it will be like casting pearls before swine.

It's only an unknowingly tool that would think I was even trying to make sense to you
Why bother with you when you are Nairaland famous for your ever increasing sad excuses of lazy posts

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble,
''make sense'' was meant to be for the benefit of the majority, and not for you or any other similar tool

Christianity Etc › Re: D by MuttleyLaff: 7:40am On Jan 09, 2017

JesusPowers:
Middle East/Eastern/Western/West Africa, the realms of the spirits are categorised as light/dark

Ebony and ivory. True

JesusPowers:
Chakra - Eastern
or opening up your spirit man for the holy spirit to come in - Middle East
- is one and same once you are matured spiritually

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you
- John 14:26

And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised.
But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven."
- Luke 24:49

After John 14:26 above, note in Luke 24:49, that none of the disciples receiving the Holy Spirit did Chakra - Eastern.

Another thing is that, God, gives the Holy Spirit without limit, matured or not doesnt come in the equation.

It is making an uncomplimentary remark to say ''Chakra - Eastern
or opening up your spirit man for the holy spirit to come in - Middle East'' is one and same

In fact, Chakra - Eastern
and ~~receptive to~~ opening up your spirit man for the holy spirit to come in - Middle East
are as different as chalk and cheese
though they both have an appearance of white,
If the path of one of them is journeyed long enough, it's true dark true colour with its unappealing and sinister side will unfold

Christianity Etc › Re: D by MuttleyLaff: 1:27pm On Jan 08, 2017*

Lennycool:
Is see you are at loss for words

Pie in the sky serious over misassumption

If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, then Mohammed must go to the mountain,
since you wont explicitly says which,
where applicable, here is what is amiss in the prayer requests

#1 I want the god of Nairaland to directly and personally by ''itself'', change my Nairaland ID password for me
- Amiss Request
The god of Nairaland will ignore this request, as it has a DIY provisioned facility for changing passwords

#2 I want the god of Nairaland to let me recklessly post in the Islam forum uncontrolled
- Amiss Request
To guard against becoming a nuisance in there, the god of Nairaland will not grant this request

#3 I want the god of Nairaland to overrule or revoke the posting ban imposed on me by the Anti Spam bot
- Usually you sit out the ban but request occassionally is granted on a case by case basis

#4 I want the god of Nairaland to unhide all my posts auto-hidden by the frisky Antispam bot
- Same as #3 above

#5 I am unregistered on Nairaland but I now want to start posting on threads
- Amiss Request
This request is amiss, because without first registering on Nairaland, you'll never be able to start posting on it threads

#6 I want a pink Nairaland page layout
- Amiss Request
The god of Nairaland, to date, doesnt do pink page layouts
but subject to review, this, in the future possibly could change, so keep this request coming

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Christianity Etc › Re: D by MuttleyLaff: 12:41pm On Jan 08, 2017

Lennycool:
What is amiss in the prayer request above?

There are #1-#6, so which of the and/or what prayer request above?

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