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Image123:
This is a wrong division of the Word of Truth and as private as a private interpretation gets.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.

1 Corinthians 14 passage is talking about preaching/teaching men and this is corroborated in another book 1 Timothy.

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Now you may bring up fallacies and irrelevant or diverting questions but these two passages are clear and unmistakable until when twisted like you just did.

cc Sibe007, Scholar8200, Sleekydee, elveco, Mprex

Are you for or against what Sibe007 posted?
How is it a wrong division of the Word of Truth and as private as a private interpretation gets?
What exactly has Sibe007 "twisted"?
How or where exactly has Sibe007 "twisted"?

Mprex:
you just blew my mind with this post.

Ma'am, knowing is half the battle
In fact knowledge is power and information is liberating

Mprex:
can you throw more light on this pls

I can try
but how much more are you after
and what exactly more do you want to know ma'am?

elveco:
Rem brethren that no part of the scripture is of private interpretation (2Pet. 1:20) neither can you comprehend the scripture thru intelect bt by Revelation.

Make no mistake, we comprehend the scripture through Revelation and the God-given intellect

elveco:
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

So it takes the Holy Spirit to also understand the scripture. The bottomline is that the women shld reverence the men. (
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed,
then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.)
A woman is nt permited to teach in d church except fellow women. Bt cn prophesy under the ministration of a man.
Jst lik the case of covering the head .... the man is the head of the woman.

I wonder what your definition of church is and understanding of what church is too.
Anyway Acts 18:24-26 is very instructive
and should help us not flogging a dead horse

elveco:
Thrs notin lik promotin sexism or wht ve u.
Also contrary to one of the poster's view, Apostle Paul wasn't quoting the Corinthians bt strictly setting the church order.

So you say that: "Thrs notin lik promotin sexism or wht ve u"
well read my lips:
I am categorically saying according to the punctuations in both 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:11-12 original Greek texts, Paul was quoting the Corinthians et al with rhetorical questions to make a point and giving answers

You see, with all due respect, your post or version of events, doesn't fit the facts,
so I'll strongly adjure you to get down, off your high horse
and go over the post immediately above to read with an aim so we all learn and be liberated by it.

Scholar8200:
But is this also applicable to the reference from Timothy?

Affirmative, yes it is also applicable to the reference from Timothy
As a matter of fact, Paul was repeating questions with answers, in both 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:11-12

Scholar8200:
I dont think so.

You better start thinking so now
and imbibe Romans 12:2, to be transformed by the renewing of your mind

Scholar8200:
And if they were promoting sexism
then I guess prophetesses such at Deborah should have been excused.

We are now living in a rapidly changing what used to be an exclusive man's world
but thank you God, this man's world, wouldn't be nothing, it'll be nothing without a woman
so in essence, they cant and shouldnt have in the first place, nursed the idea of promoting sexism
or reinforce the status quo underhandedly, the manner this is or was done.

Scholar8200:
Do we also say then that the reference to man as the head was part of this conspiracy? Of course not.

Head of what? Head of who? Head to whom?
I hope your are not taking "reference to man as the head" as subjugation

Scholar8200:
Yes, Deborah was a prophetess but neither she nor any woman ever tried to do the work of the Levites or priest.

What are you trying to say here
mind you Acts 18:24-26 is very instructive.

cc Sibe007, Scholar8200, Sleekydee

You could be wasting your time about this with anyone lacking knowledge or information on this particular subject or anyone set in their ways.

Truth of the matter is, just blame the translators that deliberately left the ";", as it is in Greek without converting it to its counterpart version English punctuation

";" is question-mark in Greek, but instead of translating ";" to "?", which is question-mark as we know it in English, the translators feigned ignorance

Semi-colon means question-mark in Greek, but as we all know, semi-colon means something else, if or when used in English

You wonder why verses like Matthew 2:2 was translated properly along with the punctuation converted correctly but not 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

EXAMPLE:
( гдѣ єсть рождeйсѧ царь їудeйскій; - Matthew 2:2) ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT
(Where is the one who is born king of the Jews? - Matthew 2:2) ENGLISH TRANSLATION

Blame this on a hidden agenda to practice sexism and promote the oppression of women.

Ishilove:
What is it with Pastor Chris and covering his head in church?? Am i missing something here?

kilode100:
I was wondering too..

No, you missed nothing but might be rooted in petty legalism

freecocoa:
There's something wrong with covering of head in the church?

If over spiritual and rooted in legalism, there is something wrong apparently

Gombs:
Mail pastor Chris then

comments@pastorchrislive.org

Thanks

Nah, I pass, I earlier thought it was your post and your idea

Gombs:
He looks cultic here, no?

Erm, more Mardi Gras like, if you really like to know
Compare his mask and gear he wore with https://www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/11#33097506

Gombs:
You can engage me

Thank you but are you sure you're fully conversant with the entirety of the post, including the small details?
I'll be asking questions to clarify or confirms some points in the post and elsewhere
and since the post isnt originally yours, I am checking to see, if you'll be competent in the engagement or up to the task.

joanprice:
this is todays rhapsody of realities by pastor chris oyahkhilome.

Well. OK then and thank you for answering for OP.

Gombs:
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me... (Acts 1:8 ). 

Due to the limitations of language, many have found it difficult to understand who the "Spirit of God" is. The phrase "the Spirit of God" has a totally different connotation from the phrase a "man of God!" The latter means a man who works, talks and does things for God; a man sent by God. When we say the "Spirit of God", we don't mean a Spirit that is from God, sent by God and does things for God; no, that's not the description. The Holy Spirit is God. 

The Father never leaves His throne; He's always on His throne. When the Father does anything outside His throne, He does it through His Spirit who proceeds from Him. So, the Holy Spirit isn't another Spirit that God delegates to do something; the Holy Spirit is God Himself. When we talk about your spirit, for example, your spirit isn't another spirit that serves you. Your spirit is you, the real you! 

Now imagine this: Acts 1:8 says, "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you...." So, we received that Holy Spirit who Himself is God, to live in us. If we take that lightly, our lives will be ordinary. However, when you understand the power and import of having the Spirit of God live in you, you'll live supernaturally every day. 

The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, not because He's number three, but because He's the third to be revealed to the Church. But the manifestation of the Holy Spirit came first; He's the first to actually be revealed in the Word of God, but He wasn't understood. 

Genesis 1 reveals the Spirit to us when the earth was a chaotic mass: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" (Genesis 1:2). So, the Holy Spirit is first revealed to us. In verse 1, the Hebrew word for God is "Elohim" - a plural word for God. So, you see, the Holy Spirit made the world, and created all things.

This is an enthralling post!
Is this an original work, as in, did you write it?
Need to know whether or not it is, as I find the post to be a very interesting piece
and would like to engage the author, in depth on the post and other things relating to its content,
if the author is you, then it makes things convenient and even better.

Gombs:
Everything he does is sure an issue. WX, add this to list of cultists activities

Knew you'll lighten up, as you know am always teasing and humouring you with banter

leshluap:
Baba is just too humble, he is even carrying his bag himself..

His stern looking biological son at the back, the one with rucksack and later taking a bouquet could have held it for Baba
but Baba isnt taking any chance with any media onslaught that want to print he is forming too big to carry his bag himself

vooks:
Anybody seen the Negro lately?

vooks:
Last seen on 16th, that is last week

sonOfLucifer:
Hi vooks.

vooks:
Negro, where have you been?

Like the Genesis 4:9 "Where is your brother sonOfLucifer Abel?" and the ensued Philadelphia

HzRF:
God bless u sir
The day he completed his crusade in Oshogbo is a remarkable day in my family
We finally say bye bye to civilian Barack

God bless ur ministry
Sir

vooks:
I don't recall any Caucasian with such a passion for winning Negro souls. He is a legend, God bless you sir!

Smoke and mirrors.
Apart from other matters, he is in the same league with TBJ, with his prophecies or "God told me..." claims
Where is the "unlike" option when you need one

Emperor4God:
David Cameron on the 17th of April 2015 attended the Redeemed Christian Church of God's Festival of Life in London.

He gave the impression that he was a Christian but unknown to the Christians at the Festival of Life,
Cameron lied & Deceived them about his devilish views and is actually working to destroy Redeemed Christian Church of God.

Cameron supports homosexual marriage and actually sees the UK not as Christian but a multi-faith country.
Under Cameron's time Christians have endured intense persecution.

Cameron plan's to force Africa to accept homosexuality if they want to keep their financial aid.

So the question begs "WHY WAS HE INVITED TO SPEAK TO THE CHRISTIANS IN THE FIRST PLACE"

Is Adeboye aware of the man that was given the stage to address the crowd?

We exposes the lies and deception here.

https://s4.postimg.org/cemach16l/dave.jpg
In fairness David Cameron has never denied been a Christian, but...

Its a toss between given stage to address the crowd and given a chance to hobnob with the Prime Minister
Both parties, no doubt, have their own ulterior motives
and out this association, planned to somehow benefit or gain something from each other

Whose bed, diábolos is really sharing or lying in, should be the next question, in what seemingly looks like a romance, with diábolos in the wings.

Gombs:
Hey... What pastor was referring to was simply,..... Darn! Read the last paragraph again... This time slowly.

By the way, I'm watching the Loveworld Festival of Music and Arts carnival (Day 2) happening live in SA.
See my mentor flexing, mehn...watch out for the impact of this program.
Many shall come to the knowledge of Christ through music and arts.

I'd soon share some videos.
https://s15.postimg.org/mu1u9qk2v/chris.jpg

I know most Christians do wear "masks" as it were.
Being that we don't let people in and that we try to hide our true selves behind a mask.

https://s29.postimg.org/gdtm6aurr/chris3.jpg
Know you said it is a carnival
but what's with this Mardi Gras mask aspect Pastor Chris is putting on now. Hmm.
Should in case, you start quoting Exodus 34:33, first remember 2 Corinthians 3:13

vooks:
It's clear Midas Touch was a regret letter to all victims of Faith Movement both here and elsewhere...
actually everywhere apart from WOFers like Gombs.

You need to go through the Midas thread to see the amount of semantics they entertained to avoid the OBVIOUS conclusions from the book.

Jehovah's Witnesses once had a no-blood transfusion policy/doctrine and so many deaths later, they revised the policy.
Initially they watered it down and reasoned that transfusion of blood components such as plasma is not eating blood while total transfusion is. They could not afford to admit their lethal errors seeing they are Jehovah's voice on earth.
Likewise, Hagin restrained himself from totally censuring the garbage he spent a better part of his life preaching and from which he gained personally

He doesnt think it's a regret letter
The Midas thread opened is that ORGASMIC, bet he gets refresher "avoid the OBVIOUS" kicks revisiting it.

Gombs:
^^
Stop twisting Hagin's words and quoting outta text to suit your cause.

There arent my words or quotes
the words and quotes are from Kate's book
so if you want to grumble, vent it out with Kate

vooks:
Winsomex my broda,
Let me spoil it for you
Midas Touch by Hagin is mentioned severally so much I lost count

Gombs:
Folks be mentioning my name, y'all have my attention now.

I didn't bother downloading the book, but if it has Midas Touch in it, then it just got juicier.
WX called Hagin a failure because of the book, and I hope this new book he's orgasmic about will make him eat a humble pie.
Actually, to WX, Hagin would have been a star if not for his endorsement of tithing, and other teachings about giving.

WinsomeX:
My mention of your monicker is deliberate: to get your attention here bc you have unfinished business here.

Also, when you try to decipher people's intentions, endeavor to approximate to things they may have said. My intention for this thread is clearly written in the introduction and others posts.

The book is a well researched work that actually does not criticize the faith movement. Rather it traces their root.

What a careful discerner will discover is that the faith movement finds its root in occultism and not the bible. Which is the trust of this thread. And which is my trouble with Hagin doctrines. Certainly not tithing

Kenneth Hagin later repented of his own teaching on the matter:
“I no longer tell people to expect the hundredfold return on their
offerings. I just stay with what the Word of God says:
‘Give and it shall be given unto you;
good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over . . .’ (Luke 6:38).
I always claim the ‘running over’ blessing.”^{52
52 Hagin, The Midas Touch, 153}

Late in life, the elderly Hagin fretted over the frenzy surrounding end-time wealth transfers.
“I think we need to be careful about coveting the world’s money,” he warned.^{58
58 Hagin, The Midas Touch, 171.}

The elderly Kenneth Hagin penned The Midas Touch to correct some of the abuses of the movement he helped shape,
forbidding ministers from “lead[ing] people to believe that prosperity means conspicuous, lavish wealth.
It simply is not true that everyone who has faith for prosperity will live in a palace, drive a luxurious car,
and dress in expensive designer label clothes.”^{101
101 Hagin, The Midas Touch, 94–95.}

Innovative tithing rituals compelled members to present their donations before curious eyes.

Lynette Hagin, Kenneth E. Hagin’s daughter-in-law, introduced a tithing convention adopted by many Word of Faith churches.

Participants raised their tithing envelopes in the air and repeated this offering prayer by heart

This is my seed. I sow it into the Kingdom of God. I sow because I love God and want to see [insert name of church] continue to fulfill what God has called us to do.
I believe that as I sow my seed, it shall be given unto me—good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over! It shall come back to me in many ways!
I thank You, Lord, for good opportunities coming my way. I thank You that the windows of Heaven are opening because of my obedience to sow my seed.
I thank You, Lord, for the favor of God upon my life and the grace to prosper, as You have promised me in Your Word.^{90
90 Lynette Hagin, “Offering Prayer,”
http://www.rhemabiblechurch.com/PDFs/Bulletins/Bulletin112209.pdf (accessed December 20, 2009).
This practice served as a continuation of the historic Pentecostal emphasis on palpability,
contrary to the common assumption that this was a movement characterized only by spirit.}

The message that Faith works proved so successful that no one, not even Hagin, could take it back.
Shame the allure of money was too strong for Hagin to make a truthful public stand on money-tithing like he did when he chastised Copeland and Co for their excessive focus on prosperity gospel money

Gombs:
Yeah... Right!

You must think I'm trustman

How absurd?. Thank you for giving me the laugh with that gif

WinsomeX:
vooks, this book is explosive!

I'm in chapter 2 and cannot drop it.

I request a special thread to discuss it. A PHD thesis that offers a historical perspective to the Pentecostal faith movement.

I also appreciate the fact that it was non critical academic work that can be read without offence by Gombs and Joagbaje and others.
It will offer am increased knowledge on where we all cane from.

CC: sportsman

https://s7.postimg.org/bnn5498e3/a_Kate.jpg
aT LeAST sHE iS sOMEONE nOT aFRAID OR aSHAMED tO sHARE hER pHD aLMA mATER

This is a winsome book.
It is 2013 hence so fresh
It is a fetching, captivating and so fresh book, authored in 2013 hence still relevant.
It grabs your interest, right from "Acknowledgements" to the end of last page at the end.

No holds barred quite thorough written, even Winners Chapel, The Redeemed Christian Church of God and Faith Tabernacle got mentions

The "Acknowledgements" is so touching and beautiful. It was a family all hands on deck moral support book

The usual red flags of the pastor's wife given the "First Lady” traditional title, spotting a Word of Faith magazine on the table, the official publication of the flagship Word of Faith institution and noticing the hidden structures of the Faith movement showing up as you read the beginning of the "Introduction" was laughable

Mentioning ministerial connections, that connection was the lifeblood of independent ministries, and conferences pumped fresh faces and crowds into circulation and that Rhema Bible Training Center and Oral Roberts University energized the Faith movement is so very true

Writing about "Believers FERRETED out the meaning of God’s many names for personal use" was epic

She wrote another laughable with "Kenneth Hagin Jr., for example, later attempted to temper this preoccupation with the denying of illness, arguing that those who refused to admit they were sick were not being faithful—they were liars."

It was funny reading that Kenneth E. Hagin gave Frederick Price a "promotion" and the latter had a spat with his spiritual mentor's son Kenneth Hagin Jr., in 1992, saying:
“Don’t shake my hand and give a charismatic hug and act as if you love me when you really see me as a nigger.”⁶²
Racism, he continued, thrived in America with the church’s permission.^{63
62 Frederick Price, Race, Religion & Racism (Los Angeles, CA: Faith One Publications, 1999), 29.
63 Price, Race, Religion, & Racism, 131.}

Historical recapitulation indeed, hin don tay wey yansh don dey for back

DProDG:
You know that doesn't make any sense, right?

Nope, its one among the many "honest truth about God"

vooks:
New CEC vocabulary

Cc Winsomex

Gombs:
Really? CE vocabulary? Are you this crude? Son! You are getting too old for frivolity.

Check out sense 2, and what if I meant sense 1?
You've constantly said I ignored issues and go the other way, but see how hypocritical you are...
Of all I wrote, orgasmic caught your attention. Then what, you made an issue outta it "CE Vocabulary".

Well, you both can now discuss it at length as occultism term, used in CE, I'd not be surprised.

vooks:
How often does Oyaks use ORGASMIC during his services?
I need one of his ORGASMIC sermons like now
I bet the way Joagbaje went against his wager with SirJohn was ORGASMIC?
Or the way gutter press sensationalized Oyaks divorce...they went ORGASMIC

Gombs:
Eyaaaa... CE vocabulary

Quit whining and crying over nothing

But... Pastor Chris they said we copy everything from does not use the word orgasmic? Wow

If he doesn't use it, how then is it a CE vocabulary?



Get serious son! It's Saturday, go do something creative. Or, ruminate on the pic below, we might have a breakthrough

Whats with the crocodile tears?
Why dont you see that vooks is winding you up, playing prude with you and not being crude?
Give it a rest, if you havent got ORGASMIC posts to upload

xcapizt:
question:
how can the "honest truth about God" be found?

When you find it pisses you off

DProDG:
It's not necessarily about God.
Simply put, the concept of omnipotence (whether attached to a deity or not) is an obvious paradox.

God is not one or any of your run off the mill deity(ies)
which is why the Omnipotence paradox necessarily doesnt apply to God

DProDG:
According to definition I found on Urban Dictionary, 'paridox' has nothing to do with this.

Good that you looked up what paridox is all about

Anyway, it does have all to do with "this" my brother,
as you're toying with the Omnipotence paradox
and making judgement about God with it and the "Sisyphean Task",
but it sooner or later becomes a paridox when you find out the honest truth about God

Sanchez01:
Could you please post a video link?

Sorry, at the moment I am unable to give the actual video links I watched
but yourself do a "tb joshua anointed water" search on Youtube and select from the many videos available

biznus:
Did he say on tv that it was free?

TBJ didnt say it has to be paid for outright, obviously he was aware scammers will jump on to take advantage.
He actually warned about scammers during the advertisement

vooks:
https://agcomcc./scoan-anointing-water/

Water does not heal, it is Jesus so WHY am I paint an arm and a leg for it?

a fool and his money are soon parted

biznus:
If this is true then it's 'good' business.

SCOAN members and BOD please confirm

It's true
I've watched TBJ advertise it to audiences
along with an alleged stronger version which he claims is more powerful than the ordinary one, on video several times

DProDG:
Hence, a paradox

when thought over, long enough, it turns more into a paridox than a paradox