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Christianity Etc › Re: Sango Was Right Death By Fire Is Appropriate Punishment For Great Offenses by MuttleyLaff: 11:25am On Aug 31, 2020

TheBedWench:
MuttleyLaff
Yoruba Science is very Advanced

TheBedWench, please give me a modest five illustrations/examples of this "Yoruba Science is very Advanced" another claim

TheBedWench:
yet you forget the Bible f which is there over 100 books of it not included is the most powerful spell book on Earth. Have you ever saw the movie, The Book Of Eli? This man had the last bible on Earth. Psalms are powerful prayer formulas if performed correct yield powerful results.

I sensed that you are into apocryphal and pseudepigrapha books, hence why I felt the need to give you that friendly advice concerning the BoE

TheBedWench:
All magical systems work. There are many doors to the supernatural and for any to say only their way works to me that's overzealous or naive.

Would it be too much to ask that somehow maybe, you provide evidence that supports your claim that all magical systems work, hmmm?

TheBedWench:
Death by fire is purification.

Death by fire is a two edged sword with purification and incineration sides

TheBedWench:
This world needs cleansing and Yorubas still perform death by fire when its warranted.

When, what year, era, when last, did Yorubas still perform death by fire when its warranted?

TheBedWench:
They aren't the type to speak on it as we do. I just thought times are getting too wicked and death by fire may be our perfect remedy.

"²Suddenly, a sound like a violently blowing wind came from the sky
and filled the whole house where they were staying.
³Tongues that looked like fire appeared to them.
The tongues arranged themselves so that one came to rest on each believer.
⁴All the believers were filled with the Holy Spirit
and began to speak in other languages as the Spirit gave them the ability to speak."
- Acts 2:2-4

Times are merely getting too bad, it will get too worse before colliding with too worst. There are perilous times ahead. Everyone is in need of the baptism of fire

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 11:05am On Aug 31, 2020

Acehart:
Hello engineer. Why is a lawyer the Minister of Power and Works in your country? Why isn’t anyone from the NSE qualified for the job? Maybe lawyers are better than engineers in Nigeria because they are more knowledgeable and are willing to read and expand.

No man will ever be saved by the preaching of doctrine of the trinity or unity. If one glories in the belief of the trinity or the unitary of God, he glories in a vain thing. John 3:16 didn’t have as an addendum a clause stating that the belief of the trinity or unitary is necessary for salvation. (Praise the Lord). However, the right belief is necessary so that our joy may be full. We differ in doctrine, because we are members of the House of God - strangers don’t bicker endlessly.

God is omnipotent, we all agree. If God is omnipotent, does He have the power to change His celestial nature to a terrestrial nature? If God is just, can He judge the whole world if He is not objective?
I mean: can He rightly judge anyone if He has not got all the facts and evidence, to see things for Himself? If He must get these facts, should He come down in bodily form just as He did to Sodom and Gomorrah?
Please, answer these questions.

This is not complementing but simply, is just giving support and saying when God anthropomorphises, like for example, with His voice walking in the cool of the garden and asking A&E questions (i.e. Genesis 3:8-13, notice nothing was asked off the serpent though), He wasn't asking because He doesnt know, but the questioning was done for the benefit of them asked and posterity sake. When the Godhead came down to see what Nimrod & Co imagined they'll do. It wasn't because God didnt right from heaven know or see what they were up to, but He came to assert His authority and again make a point for the record that He appeared on scene. When God visited Sodom and Gomorrah, He didnt at all needed to, but for the sake of seen to be just and fair, made an appearance to His friend Abraham and posterity gained another insight into workings of the Mind of God. When Yahsua Ha Mashiach asked the disciples who do the people say He was. It wasn't because He ignorant or in the dark of how or what people perceive Him as, but the question was asked for the benefit of the disciples and again for posterity sake to learn from. We can go on and on discussing God and anthropomorphism for an indefinitely long time.

Incarnation, itself, is actually anthropomorphism on a heavy supernatural dose of steroids

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 10:35am On Aug 31, 2020

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sango Was Right Death By Fire Is Appropriate Punishment For Great Offenses by MuttleyLaff: 10:29am On Aug 31, 2020*

TheBedWench:
MuttleyLaff

You might desire to ask a Yoruba what the Gods will thunder fire you really means.

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TheBedWench, you seem to deliberately not get it, that, I have no iota of desire whatsoever in me, to want to know what I already know about "the gods will thunder fire you" Trust me, I really already know what the manner of speaking means.

So, this means, I am not interested in knowing what the Yoruba parlance "Ara, a san, pa ẹ" means, besides it is not classified info. The meaning of that Yoruba parlance "Ara, a san, pa ẹ" when loosely translated means "May a lightning bolt from the gods, strike you down"

I am sure you might have seen similar instances, as like in above displayed picture of people who survived getting struck by lightning bolts, but "gifted" with burnt, scorched, singed, charred, blackened, bruised, streaked pattern marks resembling a tree over their bodies.

Now what I explicitly made known and clear to you, was that I have the utmost desire and/or keen interest, in you reproduce for me, in verbatim, this alleged particular panegyric (i.e. "oriki'') on Sango please, saying death by fire, is appropriate punishment for great offences

You advanced, there is a supposed Sango "oriki'', talking of him, endorsing death by fire, as appropriate punishment for great offenses, so where is this "oriki'' and are you, at all ever, going to provide this supposedly Sango "oriki'', hmm?

I really would need that you reproduce here, in verbatim, this particular panegyric (i.e. "oriki'') on Sango please, saying death by fire, is appropriate punishment for great offenses. Or was this just a spurious, make-believe, claim manufactured by you. Is this why you're unable to back the "pretence" up with substantiated evidence, hmm?

TheBedWench:
Yorubas are right up to a point. They say in Ifa that you can't contact Olodumare without going through intermediary spirits, orishas. Yet this is not true I find. There are over 100 Hebrew names of God to call upon or invoke that do yield results. There are the 99 beautiful names of Allah you can invoke called Dua. The first religion of man was monotheism. It isn't true the world evolved from a primitive state with hunter gather bands of humans worshiping animal gods. Vedism is the oldest religion on Earth and it's written holy book goes back 3200 B.C. Those early Indians were the Asiatic Blacks called Shem. These ancestors were monotheistic and their have many names of Brahman the One God just like Hebrew and Islam.

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What you call "over 100 Hebrew names of God" are not names of God. They simply are bunches of or combination of titles, epithets, placeholders, adjectives, attributes, characteristics, descriptors et cetera of God. The Yorubas, again, I dare say, are best, in grasping how to exploit this "satori" of using panegyrics (i.e. "oriki'') in versatile and gymnastic style to appeal to the sense so to make the "orí" swell (i.e. orí in English means head), stir up, invoke the spirit of gods/kings/husbands/wives/children/reputable person et cetera. Yorubas, will even go the extra mile, up the ante, when necessary and/or when push turns to shove, by going the route of "ọfọ" (i.e. negative incantations) or "ògèdè" (i.e. positive incantation)

No one other people group, more than the Yorubas, IMHO, are as experienced or skilled as them, in being well versed and adept in using panegyrics (i.e. "oriki'') "ọfọ" (i.e. negative incantation) or "ògèdè" (i.e. positive incantation)

Now TheBedWench, contrary to your "over 100 Hebrew names of God" claim, as I earlier advanced, they aren't at all God's personal name and I am sorry to be the one pricking a needle into that your illusion balloon of anyone knowing God's personal and know it enough to mention the name so to invoke it towards doing our bidding of yielding results we desire

The three times, God was asked what His Name was, He rebuffed each occasions in no uncertain terms, asking on two occasions why He is being asked His Name, when even if He should it, it will be incomprehensible to the questioners. The third occasion when Moshe aka Moses was asked of His Name, God ducked the question with the reply, tell them "I AM that I AM" is the Name of the God who sent you

Orunmila, who is believed to have existed a long earlier Socrates, is one of my favourite philosophers. Have you ever heard of the Yorubas proselytise or wage an ethnic faith/belief war, like the Jihad or the Crusades? I have always been fascinated by Yoruba mythology and cosmology, as one can see how they try to draw parallels, albeit, if you pull the thread(s), hmm, wrong move, its comes apart at the seams, as if like, its an okrika fake designer shirt bought at an obscure flea market place.

How to obtain deliverance, redemption, reconciliation and salvation (i.e. meaning how one can be saved) by Abba YHWH, God differs greatly in Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Yoruba Isise, ATR et cetera for the most part of these alternative faiths/beliefs, these are obtained mainly through sacrifices performed by human being priests. Buddhism, itself doesnt even believe in God/god(s)

Enough of my rant and rave, better I trot along and move on

TheBedWench:
Look you only need to know the name of a spirit to contact them through gnosis. You can contact any spirit you only need to know the name. Yet man made spirits do have side effects because they were created as artificial intelligences by men with their own flawed personalities.

Your are talking of the seven spirits of God encapsulated as the Holy Spirit. This circa 2000 years ago has freely made available for all that believe to without measure receive

About "gnosis" God, it is this same Holy Spirit aka Spirit of Truth, that teaches believers all truth, guides them into all truth and everything (i.e. John 14:26 and John 16:13)

God objects and frowns at spiritism, ancestor worship, divination through unsavoury mediums, witchcraft/witchery/wizardry, sorcery, occultism, "ọfọ" (i.e. negative incantations) clairvoyance, necromancy, juju/voodoo/okija shrines, masquerades et cetera

TheBedWench:
These are called Egregores, you might desire to research this before ruling out my points. Angels do not exist what exists is God on different levels wearing different costumes playing different roles.

"Egregores" did exist but they weren't non-physical beings, my dear beloved easy to get along with new found friend. The discussion on the "Egregores" is out of the scope of this thread's topic heading, but suffice to say "Egregores" are not angel and vice versa

Angels exists as extraterrestrial beings aka celestial, cherubim and seraphim angelic host of heaven, or as terrestrial agents aka human beings on earth, besides them there also exists fallen angels, a third of the angelic host of heaven that mutinied with Satan

The Godhead, truly on the strength of expressing Himself as "I AM that I AM" does exists, on different levels wearing different costumes playing different roles. God, expressed Himself as "I AM, that I AM," that is meaning, God will be and become whatever is necessary for Him, His purpose(s), His objective(s), His aims, His plan(s) et cetera to become a reality, accomplishment or achievement. Did I mention that God is ∞, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity, hmm?

God is a Incorporeal. He is a Spirit, the Spirit without any bound, without limit, without a beginning, without an end. God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. He is the beginning/first and the end/last. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three, trinity, triune or trio persons . This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom DIDNT ALLOW THE WORD TRINITY, to be PRINTED out black and white kokoro IN THE BIBLE.

Upon rounding up, I must give you a friendly advice concerning the BoE though, it is a 1st to 4th century bestseller book archetype of Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code" but on steroids. Not worth the paper its written on. Nobody deemed it significant enough to warrant it outrightly be mentioned in the Bible, speaks volume, of inconsequentially it is regarded
cc: FOLYKAZE

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 2:33am On Aug 31, 2020

Janosky:
First and foremost, the content and context of Luke 1:32 justify it.

"This One will be great and He will be called The Son of The Highest
and THE LORD JEHOVAH will give to Him the throne of David His father,"
- Luke 1:32 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

The content and context of Luke 1:32 did not and never appended "God" to the end of "... will be called the Son of the Most High" Period

You and Maximus69, are behaving like Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, by adding strange fire under the guise of "justify it" with your "God" insertion at the end of "... will be called the Son of the Most High". Smh.

Do you know what happened to Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, for ~~inserting/adding~~ offering unauthorized fire before the God, which He had not commanded them to do, hmm? (i.e. Leviticus 10:1-2)

Let this practical joke, be the first and last time you both ever again do this

Janosky:
Who is giving Jesus that throne?

Who is giving or not giving anyone throne is not the contention here. It is the strange fire unauthorised insertion you unscrupulous guys are doing by adding what wasn't there, just for the sake of trying hard to make a point by whatever underhand tactics means necessary

Janosky:
The same Greek Scriptures says NWT is correct.
Luke 8:28, Mark 5:7.

"And when he saw Yeshua, he screamed and he fell before Him, and with a loud voice, he said,
“What business do we have with You Yeshua, the Son of God Most High? I beg of You, do not punish me!”"
- Luke 8:28 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

"And he cried out in a loud voice and he said, “What do I have to do with you, Yeshua, Son of God Most High?
I adjure you by God that you will not torture me!”"
- Mark 5:7 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

Yinmu, be deceiving yourself there. Luke 8:28 and Mark 5:7, by default have God in them, but Luke 1:32 as 've earlier shown with Jehovah Witnesses NWT and as in the original text does not have "God" added/inserted anywhere in Luke 1:32 "... will be called the Son of the Most High"

Janosky:
Whenever you hear the Most High, what comes to your mind?

Context is King, comes to my mind first and foremost, screaming loudly, but just on the face of hearing the phrase "Most High" what comes to my mind is its antonym "Little/Few Low" or the alternate meaning "Highest"

1/ Lexicon meaning of "Most High" or in Greek " hupsistos" :
https://biblehub.com/greek/5310.htm
2/ Lexicon meaning of "Most High" or in Greek " hupsistos" :
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/luke/1-32.htm
3/ Interlinear for Luke 1:32 :
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/1-32.htm

Janosky:
Why have you never raise dust about the extended version of Matthew 6:13?

''And lead us not to temptation but deliver us from evil,
for yours is the Kingdom and the power and the glory,
for the eternity of eternities.'"
- Matthew 6:13

Why should I? Whats there to raise dust about in Matthew 6:13?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 11:43pm On Aug 30, 2020*

Blabbermouth:
The likes of Moses, Abraham, Joshua, Isaiah, Elijah, Enoch and the rest.... Seeing that they were before Christ paid the price for Sin and brought Salvation. Also, we do have a trusted account of Jesus saying;
"Except a man be born of the spirit and of water, he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven"
Are they (Moses, Elijah, Enoch, Joshua etc) saved? If so, how were they saved?

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""All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
(i.e. In addition, all the prophets testify that people who believe in the one named Jesus receive forgiveness for their sins through Him.)"
- Acts 10:43

"Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day; he saw it and rejoiced.""
- John 8:56

"For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see
but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it."
- Matthew 13:17

"¹³All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. And they acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth
³⁹These were all commended for their faith, yet they did not receive what was promised.
⁴⁰God had planned something better for us, so that together with us they would be made perfect."
- Hebrews 11:13, 39-40

This is Bible 101 for crying out loud nah

""Except a man be born of the spirit and of water, he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven"" was not a doctrine publicly taught by Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ. It was an accidental statement of fact Yahshua had to make to Nicodemus, who was querying Yahshua whether or not He is the expected Ha Mashiach. If Nicodemus had not come in the middle of the night to this solitary meeting with Yahshua, this question and the one-off discussion of "born again" et cetera would have not happened

Yahshua replied Nicodemus by saying except one is born from on high (i.e. born again, meaning of the spirit) such cant see the demonstration of the power of the kingdom of Heaven and not positively and appreciatively acknowledge it, but this went over Nicodemus' head to the point of him trying to argue with Yahshua, that how is it possible for anyone to re-enter their mother's womb after the original birth to be born again. Now this is where Yahshua now lambasted Nicodemus, saying, how come he, a teacher of Israel dont know or understanding basic kingdom thing like this, and so Yahshua upped the ante, a couple of notches higher, by literacy saying, hey listen, that was about seeing, but except a man is born of spirit and water, he cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven. This is true, it is a fact when you think of it. Almost everyone in the world sees America, but to enter America, you cant, except you have a green card, valid visa or seeking asylum, so it is with what's the criteria for entering the Kingdom of Heaven, as a human being, you'll need to regenerated (i.e. be born again, as in the spirit) and be born from breaking your mother's water for you to qualify to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven

"But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses,
did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”"
(i.e. But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy,
but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses’ body.))''
- Jude 1:9

Of course, Moses, Elijah, Enoch, Joshua et cetera are saved. The above scripture references provides clear proof of this. They each and all are saved on the strength and sacrifice of what God, did, in the person of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, when He laid down His life for us all so that we can live, wrestled the power of death off from Satan and got hold of keys of hell and of death. The only means through how we obtained deliverance, salvation redemption and reconciliation with Abba YHWH, God.

The prophets and patriarchs, formerly in Abraham’s bosom, now, along with the thief on the right hand side of Yahshua, are all in paradise

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 10:51pm On Aug 30, 2020

Maximus69:
God bless you Sir!

Ditto, you too Sir!

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 10:45pm On Aug 30, 2020

Maximus69:
Thank you Sir!

You wouldn't have to thank me if you had beforehand done a 2 Timothy 2:15 due dilligence, in addition took advantage of using good old fashion interlinear and lexicon resources. You would have saved yourself the world of agbalagba agbalagbi ntara public embarrassment

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 10:37pm On Aug 30, 2020

Janosky:
WAYO man, Jesus Christ is not the Most High, except you write your own Bible and put am there.
Psalms 83:18, Exodus 6:3, Jehovah is the only Most High.

Muttleylaff is even more confused than Solite3 by giving a false impression about Luke1:32

"This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High;
and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,"
- Luke 1:32 Jehovah Witnesses New World Translation (2013 Revision)

Can you please help explain how Maximus69 managed to add strange fire to the above verse with inserting God in it after "... called Son of the Most High", hmm?

You are even worse than the bad of them Maximus69 & Co. Smh

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 10:17pm On Aug 30, 2020

solite3:
@ bolded

Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

It means that Jesus was never the son of God before the announcement, since the angel announced that Jesus shall be called the son of the highest.

Same language with Isaiah 9vv6.

Maximus69:
There is a difference that you didn't notice Sir!

He will be called the son of God.

He will be called the son of the Highest God!

For your information, people were referred to as son of God in other nations before the coming of Jesus.
For instance Pharaoh of Egypt was thought to be the Son of Ra an Egyptian God, that's the reason why God said all the firstborn in Egypt will die! It was an heavy blow on Ra when Pharaoh's firstborn son died in the palace where Ra supposed to be protecting Pharaoh's family!
So it's not something new amongst the nations if someone is born and called the Son of God, that's why Gabriel said Jesus will be called the Son of the Most High God to distinguish him from all others who have been bearing that title before him!

No wonder a Roman Soldier exclaimed after seeing everything that happened surrounding Jesus death "certainly this was God's Son" {Matthew 27:54} of course for this Pagan to say this means he knew for certain that Jesus' claim as God's Son wasn't a mere superstition! :

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"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"
- Luke 1:32

Are you that desperation or is it out of frustration, hmm?

Why the embellishment nah?

The text in Luke 1:32, states: "... called the Son of the Most High ..." (i.e. ''... called the Son of the highest heavens ...'') AND NOT "... called the Son of the Highest ~~God~~ ..." nau.

You Sir, my dear Maximus69, are adding strange fire before the LORD, which He had not commanded you to do. Smh. The strikeout ~~God~~ is you trying to make Luke 1:32 play according to your bidding by adding ~~God~~. Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk. Naughty naughty naughty.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 10:00pm On Aug 30, 2020

Blabbermouth:
I don't want to pull this string farther. It will be better for me to put aside our differences or else a point may come where you will see me as an opposer

I have never perceived us has having differences. Neither have I taken you as an opposer. I see you as a hard baller. You play it, hard, tough and ruthless, so I too reciprocate in kind, at times with extra value added on top, just for good measure and maximum effect. My bark is just a bark, but worse than my bite, which is why I hardly bite grin

Blabbermouth:
He is the son of God, He died for our sins and through Him we are saved. If we both believe this, then cool.

You just right there wowed me with this priceless comment. Aw, wish I could see you, rub your chubby beautiful face together and mwah, plant a kiss on it. You dont know how much you made my day, with this lovely comment

Blabbermouth:
Here is a question for you and any interested person;
Can anyone get saved without Christ?

"And there is salvation in no other,
for there is not another name under heaven having been given among men, by which it behooves us to be saved."
(i.e. No one else can save us. Indeed, we can be saved only by the power of the one named Jesus and not by any other person."
- Acts 4:12

"All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
(i.e. In addition, all the prophets testify that people who believe in the one named Jesus receive forgiveness for their sins through Him.)"
- Acts 10:43

I am 10000% over the moon lurve loving this lovely, beautiful and sexy question.

The only person who emphatically says deliverance, salvation redemption and reconciliation is through Him is Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ.

Buddha doesnt make this outlandish claim, Mohammed PBUH doesnt make this outlandish claim, no god, whether it is Thor, Marduk, Zeus, Molech, Sango, Chukwu, Chineke, Oya, Saponna, Ogun, Amadioha, Igwekala, Ala, Ikenga, Anyanwu, Idemmili, Esu, Ekwensu, Njoku Ji and/or Ahia Njoku aka Ifejioku et cetera ever makes this outlandish claim

So the answer to your easy, direct, simple, harmless, innocent and straightforward question is capital NO, meaning no one can get saved without Ha Mashiach aka Christ

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 9:29pm On Aug 30, 2020

Blabbermouth:
Maybe we should sue Isaiah for using the word "WILL".

I am happy and satisfied with the English word "WILL" used in Isaiah 9:6 because the word "WILL" conveys a sense of expressing a request that the Baby, rightfully and legitimately speaking, should be called "... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, ..."

If you sue, the only person that will be kerching ££££, kerching $$$$ and kerching ₦₦₦₦ laughing all the way to the bank, will be your lawyer(s)

Even if its "SHALL" instead of "WILL" that's used in Isaiah 9:6, it won't make a dilly squat difference

Blabbermouth:
Sweetest heart, It's no issue if you abuse me.

Your sweetest heart is at home and fyi, I have no intention of abusing you or desire to abuse you

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 9:05pm On Aug 30, 2020*

Blabbermouth:
If that was God Almighty on the cross, if I were Angel Michael (whether I was ordered to or not), I will break the bones of every one after the crucification... I speak as a man.

Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, purposely came for such a moment like that (i.e. Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34, but only, if you relearn, how to correctly interpret them verses of the seven last words of a Man on the cross, going the way of the flesh

Blabbermouth:
Seriously now, do you believe God Almighty became sin? For such was said of the person who died on the cross.

I already knew that was flesh, your carnal man speaking and not your spirit man

Of course, seriously, I know and believe God Almighty became sin. Yeah! Yup, for such was said of the Person who died on the cross. That Person was the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world, but who circa 2000 years ago (i.e. not 4000), took away the sins of the world! (i.e. Revelation 13:8 and John 1:29)

I hinted and nudged you that there's a method in all the madness, didnt I

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 8:45pm On Aug 30, 2020

MuttleyLaff:
"For a Child is born to us, a Son is given to us.
The government will rest on His shoulders. And He will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
- Isaiah 9:6

Two answers for the price of one

Blabbermouth:
A child. A human child i.e. Baby Jesus.

Baby Jesus WILL become Wonderful counselor, Mighty God......... That's a human become divine.

MuttleyLaff:
This no nondescript, run of the mill ordinary and natural human child

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Have you a problem with this?

It actually is the other way round. It isn't "human become divine" but instead its "divinity/divine become humanity/humane"
It is for this very reason because of doubters, scoffers, mockers, detractors, belittlers, slanderers et cetera that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ used the profound title "Son of man" as a means of making a statement of fact

Blabbermouth:
LMAO. Shadowboxing at its best. The scripture you gave did not claim so, don't force preconceived notion into a scripture.

I wonder why the scripture Isaiah 9:6, will have the Baby called "... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, ..." , if the Baby wasn't already "... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, ..." that the scripture Isaiah 9:6, instructs that Baby will be called. Hmm?

Sometimes, I get the feeling that you think the grey matter (i.e. intelligence) inside your head is placed there, just to serve as an ornament, to decorate the inside of your head with. Why you prefer to waste away that powerfully built processing functional gift of God, He blessed you with and subject it to self inflicted underutilization beats me. Kilode?

All you're best at doing is blabbering blabbermouth upandan the forum. No offence intended, and so none should be taken

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 7:56pm On Aug 30, 2020

Maximus69:
Aye!

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Yinmu. Konfam ase

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 7:46pm On Aug 30, 2020

Maximus69:
I thought the book said a new born baby nah!

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You must be a closet clown or court jester
Were you expecting an old born baby with sprouted 32 teeth ni?

God followed all due processes and fulfilled all righteousness, in that way, of coming through the door and so legally entering, as a new born baby

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 7:36pm On Aug 30, 2020

Blabbermouth:
A child. A human child i.e. Baby Jesus.

Baby Jesus WILL become Wonderful counselor, Mighty God......... That's a human become divine.

Maximus69:
Isaiah didn't say "the child will become" but "he will be called"

I wonder why He will be called "... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, ..." , if He wasn't already "... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, ..." He will be called

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 7:31pm On Aug 30, 2020

Maximus69:
[s]STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

Where is it WRITTEN in the Bible that

"Jesus is God" [/s]

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The "STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!" pepper am wella, wella causing uneasy sifia pains

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 7:29pm On Aug 30, 2020

Blabbermouth:
A child. A human child i.e. Baby Jesus.

This no nondescript, run of the mill ordinary and natural human child

Blabbermouth:
Baby Jesus WILL become Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God......... That's a human become divine.

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Have you a problem with this?

It actually is the other way round. It isn't "human become divine" but instead its "divinity/divine become humanity/humane"
It is for this very reason because of doubters, scoffers, mockers, detractors, belittlers, slanderers et cetera that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ used the profound title "Son of man" as a means of making a statement of fact

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 7:15pm On Aug 30, 2020

DappaD:
It has come to my notice that solite3 believes Jesus is God and he agrees he's a trinitarian.
But then again, WizzyVine also believes Jesus is God and he denies being a trinitarian.
So how do we resolve this issue on ground now?

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We obviously don't see the scriptures with the same understanding in very major ways because you and I understand scripture to the level of our submission to the Spirit of Truth. We understand scripture to how much we fill out to snuggly fit into the gift of the given out Holy Spirit. shadeyinka, we understand scripture according to the altitude of our individual and/or respective vantage points and/or the level/angle/direction/line of our perspective. Those two pictures I've pasted above, are worth more than twenty thousand words

Do all Jehovah Witnesses members stand tall and all be at the same and equal height, hmm?

Look at the fingers on your hand, are they all equal in length, hmm?
We all have different level of understanding, just as like fingers have different amount of length sizes, but when the fingers bend closely together, they miraculous appear looking like having the same amount of length size

We all arent going to view everything about theology in the same way, as each other does and enough to agree with each other about certain theological things, but hey what unites and bonds us all together, is greater than whatever our differences are. Also there is a way we get to be equal in length and that I already have shared using the fingers on the hands illustration

What we agree on, what unites us (i.e. the solite3, the WizzyVine et cetera of this world) is far more stronger and bigger than what we may disagree and differ on. What unites the fingers is greater than what is division among them

What unites all believers is far greater than that which divides us. We have different graces and different level of grace. We have the same Holy Spirit, but fit into same amount and equal Holy Spirit, size wise, differently

Christianity Etc › Re: Sango Was Right Death By Fire Is Appropriate Punishment For Great Offenses by MuttleyLaff: 6:52pm On Aug 30, 2020*

TheBedWench:
I think there are some good of every people who understand who and what God is now and back then. Pagan cultures have had moral heroes too. The original religion of man is one God worship so God is always present to touch a person's heart despite their surrounding culture dominating at the time.

"¹²Here's the reason:
Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction.
And whoever has laws from God and sins will still be judged by them.
¹³People who merely listen to laws from God don't have God's approval.
Rather, people who do what those laws demand will have God's approval.
¹⁴For example, whenever non-Jews who don't have laws from God do by nature the things that Moses' Teachings contain,
they are a law to themselves even though they don't have any laws from God.
¹⁵They show that some requirements found in Moses' Teachings are written in their hearts.
Their consciences speak to them. Their thoughts accuse them on one occasion and defend them on another.
¹⁶This happens as they face the day when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge people's secret thoughts. He will use the Good News that I am spreading to make that judgment"
- Romans 2:12-16

There cant be two Captains on a ship, as two captains will sink the ship, hence why the more there can be only one Captain to a ship.

The original and expected faith of man, is, in one God, hence why God, in Isaiah 45:5, boldly comments that: "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; there is no God but Me, I will strengthen you, though you do not know Me"

The Yorubas IMHO, with how they eulogise God/god with their panegyric(s) (i.e. ''orikis'') to me are the best in grasping to a certain good degree who and what this mysterious, omniscient, omnipotent, omniscience God is

TheBedWench:
Putting human sacrificers, pedophiles, and devils to death by fire is appropriate because fire destroys ego. Not only in them yet also those contemplating such horrible things.

"I baptize you with water for repentance,
but after me will come One more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."
- Matthew 3:11

Fire doesnt only incinerates, it also purifies. It doesn't necessarily only per se destroy, but it also a vehicle to endow tremendous amount of uncommon power with. The end part of the above Matthew 3:11, truly and really got fulfilled at circa Acts 2:3-4 on the the day of Pentecost

It is the absence or dearth of agape love, that cultivates an environment, atmosphere, culture or climate of human sacrificers, pedophiles, archytpe devils et cetera

TheBedWench:
Many people think Sango spit fire from his mouth. I understand it mean he was a stern judge whose judgements were fiery. Sango put devil worshippers on fire literally and it is said he was an alchemist. So Sango understood fire burnt out such vain ego in men.

I really was looking forward to reading the supposed Sango "oriki", talking of him, endorsing death by fire, as appropriate punishment for great offenses, so when are you going to provide this supposedly Sango "oriki", hmm?

Incidentally from observation, alchemy, is a precursor to modern chemistry, so what exact alchemy exploits did Sango do?

TheBedWench:
h t tps://youtu.be/nxpLCLUsSAw

An U.S pastor anal raping little boys in his church. He hide sex lube in the church.

There is nothing new under the sun. This won't be the last you'll hear of something similar like happen again again and again soon.

This is infidelity, dishonesty, disloyalty, betrayal, crookedness, abuse of trust, position of authority and/or misuse of power, indulging in unholy sexual consent, gross official misconduct, taking advantage of vulnerable someone, sexual predatory behaviour (i.e. hence the reason for the sex lube being kept hidden on the church premises)

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 6:22pm On Aug 30, 2020

DappaD:
Apply sense nah
Going by own logic, so all the sons of God—angels(Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, 38:7) are now the same as Jehovah God?

solite3:
non of them is God begotten Son.

DappaD:
So where did the Bible now say the only begotten Son is the same as his Father, Jehovah God?
Evidence please!

"For a Child is born to us, a Son is given to us.
The government will rest on His shoulders. And He will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
- Isaiah 9:6

Two answers for the price of one

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 5:28pm On Aug 30, 2020

DappaD:
OK oo
Lemme just quote the words of Jesus at Matthew 10:24-25
““A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?” ”
If the Pharisees could call Jesus, Beelzebub/Satan, what do you think people of the same kind as the Pharisees—in this case, YOU, would call those of his household i.e. his disciples?
THINK!

In your wishful thinking you conveniently forget that you're in a group that belongs to Satan.

You, Maximus69 & Co, claim to be believers but are liars instead, the whole bunch of you, have learned the so-called deep things of Satan. God knows how you blasphemously speak against Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 5:09pm On Aug 30, 2020

Maximus69:
So you can't quote anywhere in the scriptures that says

"Jesus is God" shey?

Welldone Sir!

There's a very good reason I won't yet quote of out the available number of verses of the Bible directly stating that Jesus is God. I will immediately do so only after you and/or DappaD have provided scriptures where it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 4:52pm On Aug 30, 2020

DappaD:
Oh so you don't like when the tables are reversed.
How convenient

You, Maximus69 and Co are satan’s mouthpiece and a phoney.
You all are just like your father, the devil. The father of lies

Very confused man you are and the rest of ya. I should have known never send a bwoy, to do a grown man's job, to show where, in the scriptures it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 4:44pm On Aug 30, 2020

DappaD:
[s]MuttleyLaff
I need where the Bible said verbatim that
“Jesus is the Almighty God”.
Can you provide the verse or not?[/s]

Maximus69:
[s]Moses WAS God at a point in his life! Exodus 7:1

Jesus (Michael) also became a God at a point in his life that's why John could say

"in the beginning WAS the word, and the word WAS with God and the word WAS (a) God" John 1:1

You can never find anywhere in the scriptures where it is written that "Jesus IS God" [/s]

You can never find anywhere in the scriptures where it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 4:32pm On Aug 30, 2020

DappaD:
Where did the Bible say “Jesus is God” ?
Simple!
I don't need too much explanations.

WizzyVine:
Before I answer your question, just first tell me right now, where the Bible says Jesus is angel Michael. Tell me right now, and I'll give you a whole drum of truth.

You hate Isaiah 9:6 because it exposes your heresy. What's out of context in that scripture that explicitly prophesied the Virgin birth?

Tell us now, just one scripture that says Jesus is Michael.

We need where the Bible said verbatim that “Jesus is Michael”.
Can you provide the verse or not?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 4:10pm On Aug 30, 2020

WizzyVine:
Before I answer your question, just first tell me right now, where the Bible says Jesus is angel Michael. Tell me right now, and I'll give you a whole drum of truth.

and show in verbatim too

WizzyVine:
You hate Isaiah 9:6 because it exposes your heresy. What's out of context in that scripture that explicitly prophesied the Virgin birth?

There is no "Salem" for the twisted

WizzyVine:
Tell us now, just one scripture that says Jesus is Michael.

The just one scripture that says Jesus is Michael must be verbatim

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 4:07pm On Aug 30, 2020

DappaD:
Simple question we've been asking all of you trinitarians for decades.

Where did the Bible say that Jesus is the Almighty God ?
As in show us the Bible verse that said
“Jesus is God” verbatim please.

Unless you saw Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 I suggest you don't quote it anymore since the idea of considering context eludes the most of you.

"And Jesus said to him,
"The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air nests;
but the Son of Man has nowhere He might lay the head.""
- Luke 9:58

The title the Son of Man often used by Yahusha Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, as like seen in Luke 9:58 above, is a clever, conscious, calculating and deliberate way of Yahusha Ha Mashiach expressing Himself for the benefit of the audience and/or hearers' understanding, that He, actually is begotten of the Father (i.e. revealing the Divinity and so divine side of Himself) and born of a mother (i.e. acknowledging the humanity and so humane, human being side of Himself)

"For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
- Isaiah 9:6

"A voice cries:
“In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
- Isaiah 40:3

Isaiah 9:6 is in harmony with Isaiah 40:3. Fyi, the voice crying in the wilderness is Jesus' cousin, John the Baptist

PS: You too are warming up to now using "verbatim", smh, yet you couldn't produce verbatim your false allegation levied against me. KMT

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 3:46pm On Aug 30, 2020

Maximus69:
We have the PEACE that's why we agree amongst ourselves on the same line of thought, so we know our own God and we're 100% sure that our own God totally differs from yours!

Yinmu

MuttleyLaff:
"For when they ~~Maximus69~~ ~~Jehovah's Witnesses Organization~~ are saying, "Peace and safety,"
then sudden destruction will come on them,
like birth pains on a pregnant woman; and they will in no way escape"
- 1 Thessalonians 5:3

In the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization globally reigns false sense of peace and security

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 3:25pm On Aug 30, 2020

Maximus69:
@ highlighted is what i want to comment on.

Your own God is not a God of organized orderly worshipers but ours is the God of PEACE.

Thanks for your time Sir!

You my dear Sire, you're by the hour increasingly becoming more unbelievable. Smh.

God is not my own or personal God, but He is a universal God, a worldwide God, an all-embracing God, an all-inclusive God, a catholic God, a global God et cetera

God is Spirit, and his worshipers worships in the spirit and in truth, but not yours, the god of this world, that's blinded your minds so you don’t believe because of the deceit of the devil, your god of this world

I reiterate that nothing beats a better workshop of Satan, more than JW Organisation and there can never be "Salem" in the midst of all these twisted worshipers belonging to the god of this WORLD, deserving punishment (i.e. Isaiah 48:22 and Isaiah 57:21)

Prooftexting with Isaiah 9:7 and 1 Corinthians 14:33, trying hard to make fetch happen, wouldn't help you except you just know that, God is not, a God of sheeple and lemming(s) made up of Maximus69 and other Jehovah's Witnesses Organization members

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 1:06pm On Aug 30, 2020

DappaD:
~~You have been muted successfully.~~

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