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Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 9:29am On Aug 23, 2020*

FOLYKAZE:
If you have any information about 'amar' or 'banah' please drop it here.

"You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves".
- Abraham Lincoln

Do the fact check on "amar" from Genesis 11:4 and "banah" from Genesis 11:4 and Genesis 11:5 yourself. You aren't an invalid, so dont expect me to help you do things you are capable, smart, clever, intelligent and literate enough to do on your own. Stop sitting on your hands, pull out your fingers and start lifting up the floorboards to see and find out what "amar" in Genesis 11:4 and "banah" in both Genesis 11:4 and Genesis 11:5 means and how both words are used in the original text, as opposed in English

FOLYKAZE:
From the simple English in Genesis 11:5, and how I understand the words, God came down to see the city and the tower those people were building (progressing), or sons of man built.
Genesis 11:5
New International Version
5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building.

Here is the thing, my dear defiant friend, if you are reading Bible in English translation and in isolation of comparing with the original text, you can bet that a good 80% of the real bible text word meanings are distorted, are mangled almost beyond recognition and even be wilful errors, for political motives, indoctrination motives, diverse theological motive, hidden agenda et cetera

The problem with reading the Bible, in only English translation(s), is that, you don't get to see how certain words (e.g. "amar" in Genesis 11:4 and "banah" in both Genesis 11:4 and Genesis 11:5) in the original text or Aramaic language have really been used. This explains a lot, why you are discombobulated

FOLYKAZE:
You retort banah and amar yet the verse above stated that God came down to see. What did God see when he came down? ...

What God saw when He came down was a construction site work in progress city being built, but no mention of an actual physical tower erected structure, stele or not stele.

FOLYKAZE:
... Mere plans?

Affirmative, yes, see what they planned, what they purposed, what the imagined in their hearts to do. It was merely a plan, a thought, an idea, an imagination, put on pape, that didnt get physically started off. This is shown in the inconsistency of leaving out any mention of the tower in Genesis 11:8-9

FOLYKAZE:
You left one side of the sentence and glued to the irrelevant side which has, without the initial, lost it meaning.

Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do .

And now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

That implies there is nothing they set their mind on which they won't achieve

Smh, I wonder if you are being deliberately obtuse and so the reason why you write comments such like this

Now watch this, if I imagined you having a sex change, doesnt it necessarily mean, two days later, you've really had the sex change, hmm? Maybe, if given enough time, there's a possibility you might from compelling external influences do really have the sex change, but as for now it is only an imagination. It is what I have imagined. I had a mental picture of you done a sex change, but not something that is physically done or really in the body seen

FOLYKAZE:
I only showed you the bible lie sometimes.

I think you find relaxation and comfort in ignorance, in addition to depending on them unreliable antiquities collector(s) (i.e. the Norwegian antiquities collector Martin Schøyen) and the "Migdal Bavel" fake discovery. Do you think fake news, only started during the advent of Trump, I asked you earlier, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
Etemenanki is the Tower of Babel. Prove me wrong sir

This has to be one of the most ignorant statement a person can make, which normally I won't have paid attention to, but just for the sake of righteousness, I will say from a bible perspective, meaning, the word of God, Etemenanki is not the daydreamed Tower of Babel

Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 8:07am On Aug 23, 2020*

FOLYKAZE:
Genesis 11:5 out it out that the tower has already been built.

Smh. I am not the only person who has observed that you're an one trick pony and this, you've just proven here again, that you, unrepentantly are one

I gave you "amar" from Genesis 11:4 to go fact check, you wouldn't. Now do you expect me to recommend that you should go fact check how "banah" of Genesis 11:5 and interestingly also in same Genesis 11:4 is defined, when I know, you aren't interested in being correctly informed but you just want to be opinionated and truculent

FOLYKAZE:
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Meaning they have united, in one tongue, and have done this. With that tower built in one term, there is nothing else they set their mind they would succeed upon. God has moved on from the temple and now on what they would do in future.

See how you with the highlighted and underlined above, how you have committed an own goal with Genesis 11:6. Need I go on? Need I say more, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
And errrrm, didn't the bible said Cyrus declarations freed Israelites and permitted them to build their temple? Well archaeology found the Cyrus cylinder and found out the bible claim was lie. Bible too dey lie... That is just a piece from the heaps of lie archaeology have unrooted

I PMSL at your huge leap of the conflating Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II built "the Hanging Gardens" with a Tower of Babel fanciful mental image that never got built. You scampering all over place, leaping from pillar to post, and jumping on to the Cyrus cylinder

Do you know that there are no biblical mentioning and no archaeological findings of both Nebuchadnezzar II's built "the Hanging Gardens" and a built Tower of Babel, hmm?

I repeat, where in the Bible, is this Tower of Babel stele mentioned, hmm? Or you are depending on them unreliable antiquities collector(s) and the "Migdal Bavel" fake news, abi? (i.e. Norwegian antiquities collector Martin Schøyen) Do you think fake news, only started during the advent of Trump ni?

You see my dear friend, I have more than I show, and speak less than I know and is more the reason why, because I have a couple of few unused trump cards, that you don't find me playing the victim emotional, victim psychology and victim personal cards, as few, so far, have being doing on this thread

Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 6:31am On Aug 23, 2020

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Christianity Etc › Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 11:03pm On Aug 22, 2020

MuttleyLaff:
I reiterate that angels aren't in any sense, sons of God. Period

It wasn't angels, in Genesis 6:2&4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 or even Job 38:7 that are called sons of God, but it is peculiar human beings that are.

Now if in circa Genesis 6:2&4 there were sons of God and the daughters of men, then there equally would have been daughters of God and the sons of men.

As for Job 38:7, reading the verse contextually, shows it is talking of the creation, where the celestial being sun and moon are the sons of God. The "the morning stars" and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7, are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon

Do you know that, God, is called the Father of lights? (i.e. Father of the constellation, the sun and the moon)

bloodofthelamb:
Hmmmmm, making a lot of sense.

Csonice1:
[s]I thank God for He has truly vindicated me.
If anyone does not see the errors in your reply, he just doesn't want to. It's too glaring. ( I will not reply you, I don't want it to look like the fundamentals have to be explained for you to know them; but i will leave you to truly meditate on your reply and judge your own words, starting from your first line)
But it gives me greater joy because I know that the church of God: The body of Christ has outgrown the decietful doctrines of man. By the time a man is teaching, and humbly speaking, truth from scriptures through inspiration start coming up in your heart; first witness, second,third, fourth,etc and all of them are proving him false: ignore his teaching for your own good, on the other hand if they agree; it's approved. But it all starts with studying God's Word for yourself through His Spirit.

I also thank God that I didn't leave us ignorant of the truth committed to me.[/s]

You Csonice1, are the bonafide and kofam archetype of who, Apostles Peter and Jude, were warning the early believers about.

"The truth is incontrovertible;
malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it,
but in the end, there it is".
- Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill

Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 10:55pm On Aug 22, 2020*

FOLYKAZE:
Once again Muttley, please you need to take verbal abuses away from your posts. Be cool! You weren't like this before.

There you go again. Have you got proof of me instigating verbal abuses or its you just making a mischievous allegation.

Be cool kọ, be kulikuli ni. I suffer others gladly, but I wont suffer and roll over for you playing the negative psychology trick card here and fyi, I have always being like this towards unrepentant jerks and arseholes delighting in their ignorance(s)
You aren't my dad, you aren't my missus, you don't feed me, you don't shelter me, I don't live under you, so who the foxtrot, uniform, charlie kilo makes you think, you can keep on goading me with your sneaky and subtle slides shades, hmm? angry

Go over the thread, review it, to check to see and find out, who that lives in a glass house, starts throwing stone first before I reciprocate with same size, if not bigger. Stick to whats being discussed, instead of always looking to throw a veiled shade and whine

FOLYKAZE:
Back to your response. According to the Tower of Babel stele, Nebuchadnezzar II, maybe after God dispersed them or physically damaged from past wars, expanded and completed the tower. That tower of babel of then is now known as Etemenanki.

Without mincing words, Etemenanki was a physical structure according to Gen 11:5

Smh, you didn't deemed it worthy enough, to go over with a fine tooth comb, the above post of mine you have mentioned above. Instead of addressing the cogent points in the post, you instead are behaving like gramophone playing an old classic evergreen popular record but with its needle got stuck on Genesis 11:5

I have for umpteenth times, advanced that Genesis 11:5, is a thought, an imagination, a wish, an idea on paper, yet to physically materialise. The plans to circa Genesis 11:2-9, structurally build the tower, never materialised. It never became actual or real, was never realised nor carried out because God disrupted the plan by throwing a spanner in the works, preventing what they planned build, by causing a communication problem, and/or language difficulty.

PMSL at your huge leap of the conflating Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II built "the Hanging Gardens" with a Tower of Babel fanciful mental image that never got built. Do you know that there are no biblical mentioning and no archaeological findings of both Nebuchadnezzar II built "the Hanging Gardens" and a built Tower of Babel, hmm?

You are a one trick pony, the only bible verse trick, you know how to do, is Genesis 11:5. Smh.

Are you aware that according to Babylonian literature, the city of Babel aka Babylon was built by lesser deities, unlike what the bible says, that it was built by sons of man, hmmm?

I am not the least bothered if you dont feel like fact-checking the meaning of the Hebrew word "amar" but I will once again draw your attention to Genesis 11:8-9, to see how only the city that was already in construction was mentioned but not this alleged structurally built tower. I should nudge you on Genesis 11:6 too, but hey, why bother, when I know, you have enough on plate already to grapple with

Where in the Bible, is this Tower of Babel stele mentioned, hmm? Or you are depending on them unreliable antiquities collector(s) and the "Migdal Bavel" fake news, abi? (i.e. Norwegian antiquities collector Martin Schøyen) Do you think fake news, only started during the advent of Trump ni?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Rest, by MuttleyLaff: 8:30pm On Aug 22, 2020

ichuka:
To whom was God speaking when He took an oath that they would never enter His rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed Him? (Hebrews 3:18 NLT)

We have no right to go to the unsaved and bid them come to Christ and find rest until and unless we ourselves know that rest. Our testimony and our ministry is jeopardized, weakened, limited and discredited if we are not ourselves in rest; and this is the object of the enemy's activity in this matter – to discredit us by taking from us that very birthright of our union with Him Who is never perturbed, never anxious, never in doubt as to the issue, the One Who reigns. You see, rest is the practical outworking of our belief that He is Lord, and the very Lordship of Christ is struck at by the unrest of the people of God....

Do not think that it is necessarily such-and-such things that account for our condition. These may be contributing factors, they may be very testing, may bear upon us very heavily. Physical matters – yes, they do press, they do make the situation exceedingly difficult, they do make a difference. Circumstances in which we have to live our lives, they do make a lot of difference, they make the situation exceedingly difficult. We say, "If only the Lord would deal with this physical matter or these circumstances or this something else! It is all due to that, that is the cause of it, the reason for it." That is our way of reasoning, but it is not the Lord's thought at all. The thing is deeper down than that, and it is simply a matter of believing God; resolute faith, confidence in God. The Lord is trying to get us out of our variable and varying soul life where we are at the mercy of all our feelings, thoughts and reasonings and all that kind of thing, into a realm where, in spirit, we are steadfast. That is the point upon which it is all fixed in the Psalm. "Their heart was not steadfast with Him" (Psa. 78:37), and around that the whole of their forty years is gathered. The key to this is spiritual; tested by every other line, every other means, it is a spiritual matter ultimately. To be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inward man (Eph. 3:16) is the answer to it all.

ichuka:
Heb 4:10 New Living Translation
"For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world."

ichuka:
Let us then be eager to know this rest for ourselves, and let us beware that no one misses it through falling into the same kind of unbelief as those we have mentioned. (Hebrews 4:11 Phillips)

Those who failed to go in failed, it says, to enter into His rest. Those to whom the Gospel was afore preached failed to enter in. That is remarkable! The Gospel was preached to them. These are they to whom the Gospel was afore preached. What is the Gospel? To answer the inquiry in that connection, it is Christ as our Rest. That is the Gospel: and the Gospel of Christ as our Rest was preached to them in type, and they to whom the Gospel was afore preached failed to enter in. Then, says the Apostle, "Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience." They failed! God set forth another day, saying, "Today if ye shall hear His voice, harden not your hearts...." The Gospel is preached to believers to enter into His Rest. The Lord Jesus put this in the germ form of truth when He said: "Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls." Christ in heaven is our spiritual Rest, heart rest.

What is the essence of rest? It is satisfaction and assurance. If you are satisfied, you are at rest, no matter how much work you have to do. And if you are quite sure that your work is going to be successful, you have assurance, and you are in rest. Everything for us is based upon Christ having entered as the Forerunner, and having become our Rest. We shall labor: we shall pour ourselves out; we shall spend; we shall be spent; but in it all there can be real heart rest. We shall be assailed: we shall be pressed on every side; we shall be cast down; we shall be tried; but Christ can still remain our Rest: for in the first place, we know that these things are not going to be to our destruction, since He has destroyed the power of destruction; and, in the second place, that our labors are not in vain, because He has swallowed up death victoriously. He is our Rest.

"Then Jesus said,
“Come to Me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest
(i.e. Come to me, all of you, who are tired, from carrying heavy loads, and I will give you rest)"
- Matthew 11:28

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Christianity Etc › Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 7:45pm On Aug 22, 2020*

Csonice1:
I didn't know this could come from you.
well, whatever happens; there are dispensations, and the angels that kept not their original estates: Let me make this clear.
There are wonderful angels, I believe strongly that the manifestation of God's blessings to the Church is mostly through angels. they are obedient and reflect God's image; in power, purity, wisdom and strength.

You didnt know you're a hollow barrel and that the only thing you are capable of making clear is that you are an increasingly becoming very, very, very small bore, who is fond of destructive heresies, false teaching, prooftexting, eisegesis and tomfooleries..

In your cockiness, you insult powers you don't know anything about. You speak evil of whatever things you do not know about. What you don't understand, you slander. You are abusive in matters of which you know nothing.

Your empty rhetoric(s) dont wash. It's pitiful sight to behold, when one finds it difficult to let go of old thinking. My serious observation of you, is that you are severely biblical undereducated, not because of a non-availability of the Spirit of Truth, but because you're stuck in a rut of old ways, that won't lead you to new and open doors of satori

Csonice1:
on the other hand, angels can disobey, just like Satan and his cohorts who are still roaming the Earth till an appointed time, and those who are kept in everlasting chains (or for a very long time), in the bottomless pit, very fierce and wicked spirits: God never judged them for nothing.

"Then He will say to those on His left,
‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed,
into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
- Matthew 25:41

Smh, look at you. KMT. Mtcheew.

Have you ever contextually read 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6, at all, hmm? Why not start from right now, by contextually reading 2 Peter 2:4, from 2 Peter 2:1 and contextually reading Jude 1:6, from Jude 1:4 onwards, erhn?

Do you know where 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 were quoted from by Apostle Peter first, before Apostle Jude, followed suit to repeat all Apostle Peter earlier wrote, by confirming that what Apostle Peter wrote about is actually happening in their midst, hmm?

Do you notice, that the source or origin of 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 is not mentioned, but those in the know, whom the scathing warnings of Apostles Peter and Jude are addressed to, without mentioning the name of the book, 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 is referenced from, know which book is being referenced, hmm?

Anyway, this all defo has gone swoosh over your head, as if like there's being low flying Naija Airfoce MiG fighter jet fly by, but will advance you that the fallen angels, according to Revelation 12:7-9 are on earth freely roaming about at will and not yet judged until the time that Matthew 25:41 above is made a reality of

Csonice1:
(I'm not a party to your blasphemy. I'm only propelled to teach by the wisdom given and the love for God and for the Brethren: it grieves me to hear people making boasts in erroneous teachings. as for your offer, I can decline any and every offer, but I'm still propelled, for to whom much is given, much is expected.

"Yet not even angels, though greater in strength and power,
dare to bring such slanderous charges against them before the Lord."
- 2 Peter 2:11

"But Michael the archangel, when he was reasoning with the devil, disputing about the body of Moses,
did not dare to bring against him a blasphemous judgment, but he said "The Lord rebuke you."."
- Jude 1:9

Nothing is more damaging to a learning truth, than a learned old error. Remember that, growth comes by pruning, or be like, a tree Csonice1, let the dead leaves drop.

Too late, you already are neck deep, in making various kinds of blasphemy and flagrant judgment. Do you see 2 Peter 2:11 above stating that, not even angelic hosts of heaven, though greater in strength and power, dare to bring such slanderous charges against fallen angels before the Lord that they have have had sexual intercourses with female human beings

How about Jude 1:9? Do you see, how Archangel Michael, did not dare to bring a an abusive condemnation and slanderous accusation against Satan, but look at you, having swinging chutzpah big enough to make you misinterpret the scripture and enough to have you unashamedly make false and damaging statements about fallen angelic hosts of heaven over something that isn't true, that claims they did

Csonice1:
To you it's easier for God to be the Father of constellations, moon, planets, than for angels to be called the sons of God?. God forbid. I'm sure that everything created can praise God but I've not known better a better choir than the choirs of the Angelic host. even some of their songs are written down in scriptures." when the Bible says "the sons of God sang for joy" don't add to it.

"And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you:
God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all"
- 1 John 1:5

"¹⁴And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years.
¹⁵And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.
¹⁶God made two great lights:
the greater light (i.e. sun) to rule the day and the lesser light (i.e. moon) to rule the night.
And He made the stars as well.
¹⁷God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth,
¹⁸to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good."
- Genesis 1:14-18

"Praise Him, O sun and moon; praise Him, all you shinning stars"
- Psalms 148:3

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above,
and cometh down from the Father of lights,
with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning"
- James 1:17

Muse and chew over 1 John 1:5, Genesis 1:14-18, Psalms 148:3 and James 1:17 above, but spend a bit more time, carefully thinking over what the highlighted underlined of "... every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness ..." in James 1:17 means.

Also, tell Csonice1:
1/ Where did the sun, moon and stars comes from and the sun and stars shine or moon reflect from?. Is it from above or below?
2/ Who birthed the sun and moon? God or who?
3/ When you consider James 1:17, does the sun and moon have and follow a pattern or not, hmm?
4/ Is circa and contextually read, Job 38:7, about creation or not about creation?

Csonice1:
i think we'll (or I'll, you don't want to) wrap it up here.

I careless whether you've had enough of pricing market or not. See if I care. I dont give a hoot. I dont give a foxtrot uniform charlie kilo.

When you run alone, its called race, but when God runs with you, it's called grace. I have grace, the stamina, the resources to go on

Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 4:41pm On Aug 22, 2020*

jamesid29:
Cc MuttleyLaff
So for some reason, you've kept on mentioning me continuously on this thread even though I've not replied.

Do you really think, you staying silent, not replying under whatever disguise you dream up, makes you innocent. No! On the contrary, it makes you more guilty of being complicity

jamesid29:
For most people, after one or two mentions they move on, but not you. It seems you're either bent on picking a fight or you feel the need to showcase yourself.

You are too small to our number, for me to pick a fight with you. You are inconsequential, you are in no way important, for me, to feel having any ludicrous need to showcase myself. You are a small bore so please stop unnecessarily thinking too highly of yourself

If you really must know, why I keep the mentions on, it is because I have an aversion to amateurism, mediocrities, show of indifference(s), ignoramuses, lack of regard for truth especially lack of regard for easily fact-checked biblical truth, gratuitous detachment from biblical fact et cetera and so will often heavily and close markedly, as if like a ton of bricks, come down, on someone like you, an archetype of Nicodemus, teacher of Israel, yet dont know or understand these things (i.e. John 3:10) Smh KMT angry

jamesid29:
[s]Anyways, why have I not replied?
1) I've literally not had the time. As you can see alot of time has gone into the conversation with the OP

2) It was a bit presumptuous on your part to think you can roll out a list of questions and people will just start rushing to answer them. This is not a classroom and not everyone is trying to prove something on this platform. If you want to join a conversation, you should state your point/objections, or you ask a straightforward question if that was your aim. You don't list out a bunch questions with conditions and expect people to rush at it... Nobody has time for that.

3) Even if I had the inclination of engaging, the thought of chasing you up and down the conversation, you making wild claims that you can't substantiate and when you're caught in a corner, you muddy the waters, grasp at other irrelevant things and so on, isn't just appealing to me at the moment. Maybe on something more important but not on this. You want to believe that they only had the thought of building the city & tower but never got to the actual building part, that's fine by me[/s].

See, I dont give a rat's arse about why have you haven't replied

jamesid29:
NB: Springboarding on my third point above, You really need to learn how to control your emotions. You can't be blowing hot everytime even sometimes when there's no provocation.

You seem to have mistaken me for someone who will put up with your fairking bullshit and bullpiss, without knowing that I don't get pissed off very easily, because I'll bite my tongue, but when I start tasting my own blood, then you better start look the fairy out, as in order to be effective, truth, must penetrate, as if like, an arrow, and that is likely to hurt

jamesid29:
This pride thing you've got going on also is a problem that you need to think about working on. You need to realise that there's alot you don't and that's fine because it's part of the job description. Life is a constant series learning and relearning... It's ok to be wrong, we just go back to the drawing board and relearn. But once you let pride be your driving force especially when it comes to matters of faith, you not only limit yourself (it's hard to fill a cup that's already full), you are also a danger to others. Someone who does not know better might mistake your overconfidence for knowledge and when you're wrong about something important, you drag those people along with you.

You are an ignoranus and I just so love ignoranuses, because of the fact that they have such big, shiny red buttons to easily and visibly press. So are you with your dull-witted remark(s), done shitted all over yourself?

There is a western part of the country colloquial, that says:
"Ti ogun, ẹni, ba, daniloju, a maa, jẹnlẹngẹ, fi gba ori"
which when loosely translated, means:
"When you have confidence in your juju charm, you can knack or smack it on your head, safely and gently without having any problem"

You mistake confidence for ''pride" even when my confidence is silent, but it's your insecurities, that are loud. Confidence, my friend, is often mistaken for pride et cetera and you've just fallen a victim of doing that about me. People, like you, for some reason, best known to yourselves, don't like it when someone else comes to try to put a straight stick alongside a crooked stick lying on the ground.

I pity you because against fact and truth, there is no armour like the ignorance(s) that you have. Your reasoning and infatuation of the Tower of Babel is the art of going wrong with confidence. How you can believe all this that it really was structurally circa Genesis 11:2-9 built, when in the middle of your believe and in Genesis 11:2-9, there lies, a stuck in, lie, hmm?

Ignorance is cured by learning. Learning until we are six feet under is what we do everyday because we are all born ignorant, just that some choose to remain ignorant, just as a dogmatic, like you can never learn certain new things, new ways, because even where proofs are presented for you to see, you are too desperate to hold on, as if your life depends on it, to your fallacy, your eisegesis, your illusions, your poisoned laced two lumps of sugar cup of tea et cetera

Also, by the way, who do you think have your time, huh? I too, am very protective of my precious time, and prefer to prioritise what I used my precious time for. Sorry, posting rebuts on this thread obviously is at the bottom of the pecking order, but I just have the sense of responsibility, to make sure, that youse two, dont get away with murder, blatant falsehoods and be misleading the readership with your lofty and fantasised Tower of Babel ideas

jamesid29:
Something to think about...it is well with us.

Why dont you rather try be a honest arsehole than a well liked liar jerk, hmm?

Go pick up a dictionary, to look up the meaning of paralogism and parochialism. The Tower of Babel, my foot, was a physically built structure indeed. Something that simple biblical fact-check, disproves. Smh. KMT.

The less people know of the Tower of Babel subject matter, the more stubbornly they think they know. jamesid29, take this, as an, unexpected free learning opportunity, you sniffed your nose at, disregarding biblical proofs, that should be considered.

Now here's something very valuable for you to think about ... and it's jamesid29, never forget, that, only dead fish swim with the stream. Someday, you'll look back at all this and know exactly why it had to happen

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 3:08pm On Aug 22, 2020

Blabbermouth:
Isaiah 46:10
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
Hey, hey, hey beloved, there is something we are not seeing clearly here. Read that scripture again but this time, in-between the lines and see where God used the word "DECLARE"... Also, take note of where God is declaring the end from. Is God declaring the end from the beginning or is he declaring the end from the end?
God himself said- Declaring the end from the BEGINNING!
There is a big difference in
I. Declaring the end from the beginning
II. Declaring the end from the end
This might not seem so important for now but it soon will be.

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Declaring the end from the end?
Who does that?
Declaring always is defined or associated with stating an end from beginning to end, and not end from end, back to end again.

When a customs officer asks you if you have anything to declare, what he/she is asking you to do, is to reveal info expected of you declaring the end from the beginning

Blabbermouth:
Permit me Sir MuttleyLaff to use your illustration of a football match.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If I and ShadeYinka watched a live closed final match of Sevilla and Inter Milan (Note: A football match begins at time 0:00 and stops officially at 90:00), and by 90 minutes, Sevilla won Inter-milan 3 goals to 2.
While cruising today, Sir MuttleyLaff came and switched the channel to supersport and watched the same final match we have watched already a day before. Shade then said to Muttley, "Hey bobo, Sevilla will win this match and lift the cup. In fact, the scores will be 3-2"... Voila, Sevilla won and magically (to sir Muttley) the scores ended 3-2.
Over here, Shade just declared the end of the match. However, where is Shade declaring(this is actually foreknowledge, not declaration though) it from? Is it from the beginning or from the end?
No! Shade was not declaring the end from the beginning, He was declaring the end from THE END!
Shade Has gotten to the 90:00 of the match and that was why his foreknowledge was accurate!
But God in this verse is saying, Hey, Hey, Hey, I will DECLARE what will happen at 90:00 minute right from 0:00 minute!
Declaring the end from the beginning is not watching a live match and knowing what will happen at the end. No! It is actually starting from 0:00 (with no prior information whatsoever) and telling the person next to you that the score will (in fact, it MUST) be 3-2 by 90:00 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

shadeyinka has painstakingly being drumming it within your ear shot, that God is not time constraint, like we human beings are. God operates outside time realm. God is not subjectedGod declares the end from the beginning and the beginning is your beginning of the relevant matter.

Sir Blabbermouth, you already have 99 problems you are grappling with, please dont make it 100, by adding your human standard(s), measurement, yardstick, convention, means, values, precept, time et cetera to subject God to or regulate Him with

Blabbermouth:
Again, I don't want to be too forward, so let me ask; What is the difference between DECLARING and FOREKNOWING?

Foreknowing as to do with absolute truthfulness, while declaring could be true or falsehood

If to kindly use Sir Blabbermouth's above "shadeyinka & Blabbermouth's watched a live closed doors final football match of Sevilla and Inter Milan" illustration.

If in spite of foreknowing the final score, shadeyinka had declared to me that the final score was 10 nil, in favour to Inter Milan, then his declaration is false, but if he had correctly as we know the score said in was 3-2, then what he declared is true

So, the difference between DECLARING and FOREKNOWING, is that declaring is a variable, an expression, that is a function of divine foreknowledge aka foreknowing

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 12:12pm On Aug 22, 2020

Blabbermouth:
Thank God, we are one here.
Many people will agree that God is Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent and all. While that is true, there is something we must put aright or else, we might Cross that Line.
God is cannot be limited by Trinity, no! In fact, He cannot be limited to a person. Nothing except 1 thing can limit God, the only thing that Limits God himself is God's nature.
God is omnipotent but he cannot Lie! (the scripture says so!)
God is omnipotent but he cannot be unfaithful (the scripture says so!)
God is Omnipotent but he cannot fornicate! (No believer will say otherwise!)
Humans however, even though we are nothing close to being omnipotent can easily Lie, easily be unfaithful and fornication na smalls.
God's omnipotence cannot exceed his nature! Therefore God is omnipotent as long as it is within the confines of WHO HE IS, beyond His nature, God is not omnipotent!
So the popular atheistic question of - "If God is omnipotent, can He create a being greater than him" is answered automatically without any loophole. Who is God? God is the Most High! Creating a being Higher than him will mean we now have a new Most High, and thus, God is no longer who he is (God forbid!).

I without demur concur with the last summation, as it gels with the position of there cant be a higher than God. It is just an impossicant proposal that wouldn't last a nanosecond

Blabbermouth:
Like I said, God is omnipotent but only within the confines of his own nature (Who He is!)...
Maximus69, ShadeYinka and Sir MuttleyLaff, do you believe this true and consistent with the word of God?
Now, let's talk about Omniscience and knowing the future.

God is "I AM, that I AM" God will be and become whatever is necessary for Him, His purpose(s), His objective(s), His aims, His plan(s) et cetera

God is Mysterious. In Yoruba cosmology and mythology, His essence and nature is beautifully captured, the best, in being identified and called "Eledumare" or "Olodumare", the portmanteau Yoruba word, when loosely translated means, the Owner or Custodian of absolute energy and infinite mysteries, who has knowledge of all blessings

Biblical consistency is very important, so affirmative, I strongly believe that God is Omnipotent and always true and consistent to His own nature (i.e. who He is in the Godhead)

What about Omniscience and knowing the future, do you want to explore?

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 11:24am On Aug 22, 2020*

Blabbermouth:
ShadeYinka and MuttleyLaff, I will like to ask a set of rhetorical questions:
1. Does God know who created him?
2. Does God know who can kill him?
3. Can God create a being higher and greater than himself?
4. Does God know any being stronger, mightier and wiser than him?

I know my answer is the same as yours but I don't want to be too forward.

I sense you aren't after any answers if you are asking rhetorical questions then, but I'll indulge you

1/ God is the first and last cause. He is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. There is. nothing ever created, that is not created by Him. God is Self Existent, meaning nothing and no one created God

2/God is Omni know everything. There is nothing hidden from God's know or knowledge. You seem to be trapped in the trinity box, that is why you are asking all these incongruous discordant or irreconcilable questions

3/ God is trinity and more. God is infinite, He is infinity. He is without limits or limitations. God is unknown number of persons. Now watch this Blabbermouth, as God has infinite power, if God should create a being higher and greater than Himself, instantly God becomes a being higher and greater than the being He's just created higher and greater than Himself, and we are back to square one and an endless loop, with your "... God create a being higher and greater than Himself." scenario never getting satisfied

4/ God knows there is no other being stronger, mightier and wiser than Him

Christianity Etc › Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 11:02am On Aug 22, 2020*

DrLiveLogic:
1/ Father, Word and Spirit
2/ Father, Word and Spirit have no beginning. But the Word became Son of Man in the incarnation.
3/ Depends on your definition of 'person'. But if you take your soul as one person, YHWH is one person too. The 3 are aspects of this one person.
4/ Don't know what you're getting at but there are many names referred to as God's. Depends on the frame you want it.
5/ N/A
6/I don't understand you or how this connects to subject of thread. Maybe you should tell
7/ As explained, the destiny of Man is to have the experience of the Godhead, not merely the angelic or supernatural.
8/ Not understood.
9/ When you see Father and Word in heaven and Word as Son on earth at the same time, you should be satisfied. John 3:13.
10/ Don't see the essence of this. If your examples are true, then we can go with them, can't we?

I am back, that's me, doing my edited best Arnold Schwarzenegger catchphrase impression, made famous in the 1984 science fiction film The Terminator.

So, thanks for having a go at the 10 easy, simple, direct, innocent, harmless and straightforward questions, albeit, you:
1/ Prevaricated original question #2.
2/ Didnt give an outright binary Yes or No response to original question #3
3/ Dodged easy, simple direct and straightforward original question #4 hence original question #5 became victim of the inability of no answer coming forth of original question #4
4/ As for original question #6, that was overstepped, please review the thread's title, to know that God doesnt do things, mindlessly or do things on the whim. Necessity after all is the mother of invention/creation. Aside from creating man for His pleasure, there are/were underlining issues that need addressing and/or solving
5/ We know about having the experience of the Godhead, but original question #7 is asking of the core objective to achieve and purpose for creating A&E, backed up with valid bible verse(s)
6/ Right from Eden, leaving A&E with the TKGE et cetera it all seems like madness, but of course, there's a method in all of it, so was merely asking you if without demur, you concur with question #8
7/ Original question #9 required a binary Yes or No answer, and not your unsolicited admonition
8/ The point and the essence of original question #10, is that only God has the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire. I kindly and generously gave 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26, as demonstrated examples, and didnt think it will be hard to find two examples of a Being demonstrated similar to see and signified that such is God. Capisce now? Do you see the relevance of original question #10 now, hmm?

Christianity Etc › Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 11:02am On Aug 22, 2020*

MuttleyLaff:
You cracked me up yesterday, leaving me bursting out in laughter on the public walkway reading this comment and especially the last sentence above. Can I borrow using the phrase "buda is a notorious conman of words. He is like a colorful toad, attractive but poisonous," Wow. You dont worry, as I will credit you as the originator of the phrase if/whenever I get to re-use it

"Angels only take human forms when on assignment from God. Except being on official assignment, celestial beings never take on form that look or resembles human beings. This is part of the reasons, why no one has ever seen physically Satan or seen a demon. I repeat that only human beings were given the mandate to procreate, never celestial beings also known as angels."
- Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by MuttleyLaff: 12:43pm On Feb 09

Unless a spirit is sent on an official assignment by God to one, one will never ever physically see the spirit. Though spirits might be about where one is, one will never ever physically with eye natural vision see such spirits, except a type of 2 Kings 6:17 "O LORD, please open his eyes that he may see" Elisha prayer is answered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb8KZps4woA
Those arent brothers in the above video, that's one person, that is Agent Smith, from the film Matrix
Just look at that kkins\25! Beautiful isnt it? That's child play for God to do, meaning easy for God to do more than one place at the same time within the same dimension or multi dimension

kkins\25, did you see how Agent Smith was multiplying? Did you watch him being in more than one place at the same time within the same dimension, hmm?
Is it far fetch or difficult to believe, that God can do more and better than multiplying Himself like done by Agent Smith, in that sci-fi film, erhn? Is it something hard for God to as well do, huh?

"“Where have you come from?” the LORD asked Satan. Satan answered the LORD, “I have been patrolling the earth, watching everything that’s going on.”"
- Job 1:7

"As I was praying, Gabriel, (i.e. angel) whom I had seen in the earlier vision, came swiftly to me at the time of the evening sacrifice"
- Daniel 9:21

As far as, I am aware, two places at the same time within the same dimension or multi dimension, is an exclusive right of only one particular Spirit alone, and tha happens to mean, only God alone, can pull this kind of stunt.

Spirits, also known as celestial beings and/or angels, who can fly faster than the speed of light and so be anywhere at the drop of the hat (i.e. as noted in Job 1:7 and Daniel 9:21 above)

Rewinding time, isnt just like that going to solve the existing problem kkins\25. Sweeping things under the carpet, just isnt to fix or address the existing problems kkins\25 and you know that

You would have been correct and right if you had said or used "another eudaemon, eudaimon or eudemon of a wordsmith MuttleyLaff" You're a smart guy, so I am sure you'll go figure that out what eudaemon, eudaimon or eudemon is, lol

"The place where they serve is a sketch and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary, just as Moses was warned by God as he was about to complete the tabernacle. For he says, "See that you make everything according to the design shown to you on the mountain."
- Hebrews 8:5

kkins\25, I am sure you are aware that everything or earth is an image and likeness of what is in the Godhood. God doesnt need a physical body to feel the real and original emotion kkins\25, is the point being made. OK?

They take on human form, as in appear looking human beings when making visitations

I have shed some light on this quite a few times, but time isnt an ally. I am already as it is, late in stepping out, so watch this space kkins\25, I will revist this section, possibly later on today, like in the late PM

You need a broken spirit in addition to a broken and contrite heart. When I make the revisit, you'll get a clearer picture of what all this means, so again I'll advise to watch this space kkkins\25 I've got you bud, I have your back buddy.

Nah, sorry. Like it or lump it, God is Omniscient, remember

One doesnt need physical eyes to see all things now kkins\25. C'mon, whats the matter with you man.

DappaD:
I didn't want to revisit this
But nobody is putting limit on God oga
Jehovah God is ONE Spirit Being and not a multidimensional entity. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
Imagine you were even comparing God to a guy in an action movie, the Matrix. The height of disrespect

DappaD:
Lol... Sure... And your Trinitarian cohorts who have varying definitions of this ‘trinity god’ of yours have already come here giving you some sort of accolades

I guess you also saw this movie then: The Matrix(1999) — so why not also compare your ‘trinity god’ to that Keanu Reeves guy since you’re all about the place making comparisons between God and a fictional movie?

I don’t think this has been sounded enough–or maybe I should tell you–the God that JW’s worship is different from all other worthless gods–this your trinity god included. (Micah 4:5)

Present sir, and as you can see it was me who shared the Matrix video, so you and I have walked up this garden path before, but it causes embarrassment, to see that you aren't any the wiser yet on this subject, biblical truth and biblical fact, that God is not a "not-known-number" of person. God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible Smh

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Created God? by MuttleyLaff: 10:10am On Aug 22, 2020*

Wrong thread

Christianity Etc › Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 9:56am On Aug 22, 2020*

Csonice1:
I forgive you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

It's not enough that you, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen, forgive others, but you have to be able to forgive yourself too, especially for your ignorance, slander, under education and lack of depth. You must first forgive yourself, in order to forgive others, so forgive yourself first, before ever thinking of forgiving anyone else. Forgive yourself for yourself for not knowing better. Forgive yourself for not knowing what you should already know. Forgive yourself for the mistake of advancing the eisegesis, that angels had sexual intercourse with female human beings. Csonice1, forgive yourself for slandering the angelic hosts of heaven. Forgive yourself for judging in the first place.

Look 'ere my dear friend, I earlier made you an offer, you can't refuse and it was for every Bible verse, you are able to lay your hands on, that, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, shows angels presenting themselves before God, I'll match with an incontrovertible bible verse that solidly supports, that, it is human beings presenting and who present themselves before God, and this, so to give you the opportunity to know that sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, are human beings presenting themselves before God, with Satan joining with invitation, and not angels, as you have incorrectly learned them to be, but what happened.

You are all mouth but no trousers and religiously talking out of turn

Christianity Etc › Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 9:49am On Aug 22, 2020

Csonice1:
I think I have an idea of what humility is about; but humility is not when you lie that you don't have what God has given you; whenever you come across a true learner of God's word( not those trying to tailor it to fit 'em ) you become edified, and there are witnesses in God's Word as a proof of His teaching.

You have no idea what the word humility means. You are more puffed than a puff adder. Need I go on? Need I say more?

Csonice1:
While you are busy celebrating your victory in arguments on nairaland, truly humble people are ready to go back to God, the source of Wisdom and ask questions (humbly), interact with His Word; prayerfully, as touching his insight, revelation and clarity. And behold, He even expounds it greater to such a one by His Word; so that a human like Paul can say "Brethren, I don't want to have you ignorant"

I learn only from the Word, and any one who teaches the Word truly. it can be discerned, I must tell you. I don't believe in opinions. God's Word is not limited to human views.

Yinmu, be deceiving yourself there

Csonice1:
Now concerning rape; what does the Bible say about rape without any alarm raised? .The ladies consented to it, it wasn't rape. God had to wipe them all off.

Face palm and smh. Are you really spewing this hogwash, hmm? You really think it was because of rape, that the Noahide flood happened, hmm? Wetin Musa no go hear from miguard gate house? Do you at all understand the implication of Genesis 6:3? How long God long suffered in silence for before the flood happened. Did God, being a Just and Fair God, not give an escape route plus get-out-of-jail free pass, hmm?

Csonice1:
I don't see any need to answer the rest :
The answers you seek are up there and most importantly, in God's Word.

Your self conceit, biblical truth decay, shortcomings and inadequacies wouldn't allow you admit that you need to 2 Timothy 2:15 seek answers

You are in desperately dire need of answers, a lot more, than I do, my dear biblically undereducated dear friend, who believes that angels had sexual intercourse with female human beings, smh. KMT

Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 9:13am On Aug 22, 2020*

FOLYKAZE:
Mr muttley, shey I offend you before ni? You are taking this personal.

Remember the question was first directed at jamesid29. I only interjected to save you, as asking kindergarten question can be embarrassing sometimes. I do not want to drill you.... Not today, not tomorrow. Please keep calm, take a deeo breathe.

Look at soot insisting on painting and/or calling me black. Ha! So you think you are special or an exception to taking this personal, hmm?

Poor you. Have a look again, re-read your above comment to see how pathetic you are playing the "taking this personal" victim card, to the shit you every time create and at which I equally respond back to, in same temper, tone and delivery, if not stronger. There's a lot of teasing and throwing disparaging remarks and subtle shades in your posts at me, but when I reciprocate, you cry foul, yelling mudslinging, forgetting you live in a glass when you were throwing stone first.

The following are random snippets of your veiled thrown shades: "Can't just wrap my head around it, that Muttley don't know Etemenanki Ziggurat is the Tower of Babel. It sickening, even more, that Muttley thinks the East direction implies ungodliness." "You have a lot to learn from jamesid29" "not my student. If he want answers to a question, I will guide him into seeing the answer himself, rather than held him reciting A for Apple, B for Ball. Let him read Genesis 11:2-9, he will find his needed answers there." "asking kindergarten question" "... can be embarrassing sometimes" "I do not want to drill you.... Not today, not tomorrow. Please keep calm, take a deeo breathe" sic et cetera

FOLYKAZE, I am strong, confident enough and won't shy from treating people in the same way, tone and manner that they treat me, especially when they are taking an unhealthy delight in their ignorance and bent on having an argument or a fight. You surely, I am certain, can see that I have the ability and "abinibi" to give as good as I get. Answering & responding fire with with fire, that, I would not hesitate to use a nail to drive out a nail. If you talk trash, I talk trash back at you. Do me, I do you, so please FOLYKAZE, dont again try play the victim to circumstances you created. You havent offended me. I am not taking this personal. I merely am repaying you in the same currency you tendered

FOLYKAZE:
This is just a discussion, Seun no dey pay us for posting, let's have fun ok?

Why cant you just tell me something I dont already know nah. Of course, this is just a discussion, but its you just being uncalled for, bad-tempered, giving covert shades and bent on being gung ho truculent, isn't it.

As for "let's have fun ok?" well welcome JJC lately to waking up to having fun. As you can see, this is fun and soft work for. I have the grace, the knowledge and stamina

FOLYKAZE:
If you had read through Genesis 11:2-9, you would saw Genesis 11:5

And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the children of men built.

New King James Version
But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.

It states, they Lord came down to see the city and Tower which the son of men had built... They don build am, physical structure, standing gidigba in Mesopotamia for many thousands years.

I love it this way when you type sanitised posts, just as, you done in the above and immediate in section I've quoted, though there's room for improvement though.

Why not better get your facts right before displaying this your "they don build am, physical structure, standing gidigba in Mesopotamia for many thousands years" colossal ignorance. It's an important principle, to recognise, that the Bible tells us what we need to know/see and not necessarily what we want to know/see.

What we needed to know/see about tower, whether it really was structurally or physically built, was revealed in Genesis 11:8-9, so just follow me through to the end, as I'll explain.

Now here are the cogent points FOLYKAZE:
1/ Isn't it ironic that neither you and jamesid29 have come back, to say if or not, you're familiar with the Hebrew word "amar"
2/ Isn't it strange, that if your answer was to #1 above, then why couldn't either of youse convey in words what "amar" means then?
3/ I am a honourable man, my word is gold. I promised that for every bible verse text you posit, I would counter with stronger bible text, that shows that no physical structure tower was built. This I intend to do and/or make sure I deliver on my word

You made a feeble attempt of providing bible text that largely, plus clearly states and done in detail, leaving no room, for confusion, guessing or doubt, that a physical structure tower was built. Your proof is a sorry looking at Genesis 11:5. The thing is had it being you and jamesid27 havent buried your heads in the sand, over the meaning and/or implication of the word "amar" as if like ostriches, you both wouldn't be enjoying a mutual masturbation and prolonged incongruous ridiculous and wildly unreasonable activity moved into the realms of fantasy on steroids

If you keep shading and indirectly sending away every person who challenges you, you will never grow. Some very few people, are in your life to sharpen you, but don't because someone is fanning your fantasy, make a very wrong person, your ally and/or best friend!

4/ Now here is the thing FOLYKAZE, I am a very coherent person, and so I am fully aware that inconsistency is a disorderly representation of a set of associated elements. Biblical consistency is very important, especially for an astute and ardent person who is a stickler to 2 Timothy 2:15

"³ And they said (i.e. ''amar'') one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
⁴ And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
⁵ And the Lord came down to see the city and a tower,, which the children of men builded.
⁶ And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
⁷ Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
⁸ So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city (i.e. but unmistakably no mention of left off building a tower)
⁹ Therefore is the name of it called Babel; (i.e. the city but not the tower, also no mention again of tower) because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."
- Genesis 11:3-9

The Bible follows the definition and rule of consistency in writing. You posited Genesis 11:5, I will add Genesis 11:4 to help you make up the consistency, now here is the clincher and me making good on my word, to counter whatever you bring forward, and that which I bring, is Genesis 11:8-9. As a clever, smart and cerebral person that you are FOLYKAZE, you would have thought something significant, audacious, bold, impressive in appearance, an eye-catching, spectacular, and imposing structure tower would merit a consistent mentioning in the winding down closing moments of the narrative, but alas, no it doesnt. What do we have FOLYKAZE?. What we have, is an inconsistency of a set of associated elements. The tower was not mentioned ever, going forward of Genesis 11:4-5, because just as I had from the onset advanced, it was a thought, that never saw the light of day, talkless had the chance to get feet off the ground and be built. God didnt waste time in scuttling the plan of building the accursed tower. The inconsistency is evident in Genesis 11:8-9. The silence of not mentioning the tower, speaks volume and corroborates the fact that it wasn't built.

Notice in Genesis 11:8, that city is mentioned, but unmistakably, no mention of left off building a tower. Also notice in Genesis 11:9, its the city, that is called Babel, not the tower, and also, no mention again, of tower. Very inconsistent indeed and not stating the same set of associated elements throughout. This is for a very good reason, because the tower was not physically built.

FOLYKAZE:
Have I served you sir? Forgive if I offend you with my foot dragging

No, not all, you havent in the least served or offended me, but all you and jamesid29 are doing, is just playing to your fantasies, whims and caprices. I am sorry if either of youse are offended at me, for being blunt and not calling a spade a hoe, so pardon me FOLYKAZE, for using your "it is what it is" catchphrase

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 2:02am On Aug 22, 2020*

shadeyinka:
You are back to square-one simply because it hadn't dawn on you that God is NOT subject to time and the fact that your mind seem made up as only one answer (your view) will satisfy you irrespective of logic or explanations.

That is why it is impossible for you to answer the questions I posed to you even though it was harmlessly hypothetical. In the realm of man, time machines DO NOT exist. But in the realm of God, this is NOT an impossibility. It is not difficult to objectively answer the questions.

It violates the character of God, for God is JUST.

If God made you incapable of righteousness is it then just for him to judge you?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But you have deliberately ignored the fact that God created time and as such cannot be subject to time.
This made you also ignore the existence of freewill. God can move anywhere in time: in human language, we'll call it time travel

The foetus CANNOT determine anything. He has to grow up and make decisions based on choices while constrained by his environment.

It is wickedness to flog a puppy because it cannot recite A to Z.

This is your view and not mine that God could be ignorant.

This is logically incoherent and also your view, not mine. You are saying in other words that sine the future of the foetus is initially blank, God has to determine its future.

Unfortunately, this train of thought shows that God is directly responsible for the wickedness and evil on the earth.

Why would God give laws and commandments when he has already cast our future in stone?

Your number 1and 2 (even though wrong) does not logically flow with your 3 and 4.

Logical sequences must be immutable facts on which deduction based on the consequence of the logical sequences are arrived at.

Wrong conclusion!. God can move in time. Can you see why you couldn't answer my questions?

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Aw, what an admirable blow for blow know-the-answer responses to Blabbermouth's.
You both are doing well. Wehdone again shadeyinka and same to Blabbermouth for putting up a good fight, albeit getting a good hiding from shadeyinka in reward and/or for his trouble

shadeyinka:
I suspect you are a JW; in such manners they argue.

[s]Nah, suspect is as far as it'll go, as Blabbermouth is somewhere on the atheism-agnosticism spectrum[/s]
Apparently he smells JW

shadeyinka:
The summary of what you've said is that
1. God predestined you to commit fornication so that He can claim a foreknowledge of it and there is nothing you could have done to change it.
2. God gave a command "don't commit fornication" even though He knows that he has compelled you by predestination to commit fornication.
3. God is waiting with his rod of judgement to you for doing exactly what he has predestined you to do.
Does the three points above paint the picture of your God?

Wow, but Blabbermouth doesn't like responding to diagnostic questions such as the above three. He didnt give responses to my similar much earlier set of questions too

Christianity Etc › Re: G.O.A.T. Movie: Son Of God - How The Logos Devolved For Humanity. by MuttleyLaff: 12:38am On Aug 22, 2020

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In my best Arnold Schwarzenegger catchphrase impression:
I'll be back

Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Matthew 15:24 by MuttleyLaff: 11:40pm On Aug 21, 2020*

Maximus69:
So what exactly does he (Jesus) meant by "the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

MistadeRegal:
Check the quoted but not posted verses. Your answers are in there.

You can say and/or repeat "Check the quoted but not posted verses. Your answers are in there" again because, in reality, the posted verses actually, are just a poor attempt of prooftexting displays, noises and caused distractions.

The "And answering, He said, Not I was sent, if not to the sheep, being lost, of [the] house of Israel" Matthew 15:24 quote is easily understood to mean that the gospel was to the Jews first in queue, as in meaning, giving them priority to hear and receive the gospel first before the Gentile, get their turn.

Now if any of the readership, are astute 2 Timothy 2:15 sticklers for biblical accuracy, biblical truth and biblical fact, then such individuals will:
1/ Already know the chequered "exiled" and "returning back" history of the lost sheep of Israel
2/ Already know the distinction between the House of Israel (i.e. the Northern Kingdom, with Samaria, as its capital) and House of Judah (i.e. the Southern Kingdom, with Jerusalem, as it capital)
3/ Already know why Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, is primarily concerned of, primarily looking after or first at, the lost sheep of the house of Israel before any others.
4/ Would know that the pleading woman, trying to, circa Matthew 15:24, jump the queue, was not from the House of Israel (i.e. the Northern Kingdom, with Samaria, as its capital) nor from the House of Judah (i.e. the Southern Kingdom, with Jerusalem, as it capital)
5/ Would know from the strength of Genesis 22:18 and Genesis 28:14b, that, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide worldhood came for the world.

The Seed mentioned in Genesis 22:18 and Genesis 28:14b, is, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide worldhood

"Govyei" in that Genesis 22:18, means, "nation(s) or all nations," "Gentiles," "all people," and/or "the world" albeit the Jews, as is reasonable and expected, go, first to.

Genesis 28:14b is self-explanatory enough

Christianity Etc › Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 10:33pm On Aug 21, 2020*

petra1:
Why not quote it out.

For where. The guy is not just only a vocal ignorant, but on top, is acting IGNORANT just for "... front page on Sundays ..." views!

Ignorance and arrogance are a lethal combination, so I am not surprised at FOLYKAZE et al, pontificating about the Tower of Babel and be so absorbed with it but unfortunately clearly and totally oblivious to the biblical fact, that the tower per se, circa Genesis 11:2-9 was never built

FOLYKAZE:
MuttleyLaff is my pal, not my student. If he want answers to a question, I will guide him into seeing the answer himself, rather than held him reciting A for Apple, B for Ball. Let him read Genesis 11:2-9, he will find his needed answers there.

MuttleyLaff:
What dont you understand in, here are a few easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions, I'll like you responding to, and respond to, by giving your answers back, in the same numbered format, order and style they are asked, hmm?

It is you. You give your answer(s), not me, because I am not out to find answer(s), that I already know nor find answers I am aware of, but I want you and jamesid29 to give me your unmistakable answers, to the four easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions, I'll like you both responding to, and respond to, by giving your answers back, in the same numbered format, order and style they are asked.

Is that too hard or too much a simple request to ask youse ni? I, being a fair minded person, have even been kind, charitable and generous enough, to leave behind four references to make life easier for youse to review before youse are set to give your answers

You and your high horse, hmm.

So, smh, when are you going to learn how to get down and/or jump off this high horse you've climbed yourself on, hmm? Awodi (i.e. black kite) that thinks, its an eagle and so wants badly, be identified as eagle

You, of course, ọrẹ mi, are my buddy, but I'll tell you this for free, you are also soot, that thinks its snowflake, smh. The readership can see right through you, that, you are nondescript soot, and so, a dangerous mixture of several carcinogenic chemicals

Christianity Etc › Re: Matured Minds, Advise Needed!!! by MuttleyLaff: 9:11pm On Aug 21, 2020

Missyajoke:
What's the point here cause am hungry

Why are you hungry? Is it because of fasting and praying?
Ezekiel 18:20-22 captures the point that the father shouldn't be faulted based on child and vice versa. Also that the diabolical and extremely wicked will be punished for their own wickedness, but if the diabolical and extremely wicked repent, all their past sins will be forgotten et cetera

Christianity Etc › Re: Matured Minds, Advise Needed!!! by MuttleyLaff: 5:15pm On Aug 21, 2020*

Ajilla:
Good morning nairalanders,
I have been unable to sleep for the past few weeks now due to the problem I am facing at the moment.
I proposed to my girlfriend that I av dated for two plus years now and she said yes but my family have refused to support my decision to marry her due to her father's reputation of being diabolical and extremely wicked.
The man in question has been separated from my girl and her mom since she was little(abt 5yrs old). My siblings really love the girl as she is very homely and loves my family the way I do, but ever since I proposed to her, talks abt the spiritual consequences of marrying her has been flying about.
Please I need ur advise, thanks
P.s: we are from the same village and u know in an Igbo community, you have to go to her father's to seek for her hand in marriage irregardless of her parents separation

Missyajoke:
Pray that God should touch your parents hearts. That's my advice for you

"²⁰The person who sins is the one who will die.
The child will not be punished for the parent’s sins,
and the parent will not be punished for the child’s sins.
Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior,
and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness
²¹But if wicked people turn away from all their sins
and begin to obey my decrees and do what is just and right, they will surely live and not die.
²²All their past sins will be forgotten,
and they will live because of the righteous things they have done."
- Ezekiel 18:20-22

Hustle and be blessed as Abraham. Look how Prince Ned Nwoko, married Regina Daniels, without going to her father, who is estranged from her mom, to seek for her hand in marriage

cc: Ajilla

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 4:17pm On Aug 21, 2020*

Squillaci:
He lets humans by not interfering.
But He clearly can't see the future.

God sees all future even before they play and/or however the future pans out. He knows the end of every matter, human being, in fact, knows the end of everything from the beginning of the matter

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 4:10pm On Aug 21, 2020

Squillaci:
He know what will happen because He can make it happen at that time without any hindrance.

God, let's human beings whilst they abide by the parameter of rules, determine their future and choices

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 4:07pm On Aug 21, 2020

Squillaci:
I don't think God sees the future.
He can tell the future, because he can make that future happen and nothing can stop Him.

You have a myopic view of God. You are also putting limitations on God.

God, Himself unequivocally said He knows/sees the future

Christianity Etc › Re: Matured Minds, Advise Needed!!! by MuttleyLaff: 11:28am On Aug 21, 2020

yomi007k:
Anyhow man.

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Anyhow man? How do you mean?

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 11:17am On Aug 21, 2020

shadeyinka:
Okay!
But when he feels my response isn't direct enough.

You of course know I have a keen interest in this discussion and why I am following and liking posts without favouritism, prejudice or bias but based on the content's merit

Christianity Etc › Re: Matured Minds, Advise Needed!!! by MuttleyLaff: 11:14am On Aug 21, 2020*

yomi007k:
Yes it does.

Do you personally think if the shoe were on your foot, his diabolical or extremely wickedness, past or not past, would have a bearing, on you a bonafide kofam child/son/man of God and your "betrothed" bonafide kofam child/daughter/woman of God?

yomi007k:
You cannot see problem and run into it.

What is the problem. Are you betrothed to the imagery problem, or you are standing on the Word, believing in the Word and tunnel vision fixed gazing and focused on the Word

yomi007k:
You don't tempt the Lord.

I think God is being tempted when people are given more credit than they deserve. The man, is the person, who should be quaking in his boots, at the prospect of having child/son/man of valour and God and child/daughter/woman of virtue and God enter and cause disruption in his diabolical or extremely wickedness sphere of limited power

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ordination: Pastor Adeboye, Wife Don Face Shield, Mask by MuttleyLaff: 10:56am On Aug 21, 2020

donnie:
I don't need to see a vision.

Didn't say, you or anyone else for the matter, need to see a vision or have a dream, but I was just helping out getting you to give a direct and straightforward answer to the question and merely was curious

donnie:
Scriptures and true ancient history are replete with evidence of a black MESSIAH and black ISRAEL.

Raised eyebrow

donnie:
These are more sure than seeing a white devil posing as an angel of light.

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I bet

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 10:36am On Aug 21, 2020

shadeyinka:
Thanks.
But I've just answered him (howbeit in a question form). A truthful answer to the questions results in objectiveness of perspectives. A direct answer will prolong needless positions hidden under a faulty bias

Blabbermouth's question, required a simple binary, concise answer of Yes or No, not the unnecessary layer of unsolicited questioning and trivia information, for now, that you're so bent off putting out

Just give him, a simple and brief Yes or No answer please

Christianity Etc › Re: Ordination: Pastor Adeboye, Wife Don Face Shield, Mask by MuttleyLaff: 10:25am On Aug 21, 2020*

donnie:
Did I tell you I don't speak in tongues no more?

Raised eyebrow

donnie:
Does "J-Zeus" have to appear to me before I understand that the whole Bible story happened in Africa among black People?

If you saw anything but a black man, you saw an evil spirit.

Baba, can you please politely and kindly answer the easy, simple, direct and straightforward question about whether or not, Yahusha Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, has ever appeared to you before, in a vision or dream, maybe as a black man, and so explaining why you evangelise to perceive, Him, to be a black skinned black face person

You left out Cesare Borgia, in your list of false images, all which are violating the Second Commandment (i.e. Exodus 20:4-6, Deuteronomy 4:16 and Deuteronomy 5:8 )

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